Question for the new owners: Gay Dating section

23 Nov 2005

Question for Martin or another of the new owners to respond to please:
You stated in a reply to Him n Her that "Honestly we have not considered creating a Gay Dating part to this site. Let's look at this after we have got the main site sorted out".
Can you expand on what you mean by this? Currently Swinging Heaven offers a Men Seeking Men section that is one of the most heavily used parts of the ads section. By "Gay Dating" do you mean an additional service or are you implying that Men Seeking Men may disappear in the short-term?

23 Nov 2005

Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
Question for Martin or another of the new owners to respond to please:
You stated in a reply to Him n Her that "Honestly we have not considered creating a Gay Dating part to this site. Let's look at this after we have got the main site sorted out".
Can you expand on what you mean by this? Currently Swinging Heaven offers a Men Seeking Men section that is one of the most heavily used parts of the ads section. By "Gay Dating" do you mean an additional service or are you implying that Men Seeking Men may disappear in the short-term?

sorry to put a dampner on things, but I think they meant "Let's look at this after we have got the main site sorted out"
Believe me, at the moment they've got their work cut out for them as it is, just with familiarising themselves with the site .......... although they did find time to squiggle a logo :undecided: .......... but anyway - like I said, they're getting used to this place, then probably installing their pay stuff .......... they probably won't be looking into new suggestions for a while yet, or at least until that first bits done.
Could be wrong tho confused

23 Nov 2005

Quote by Missy
Question for Martin or another of the new owners to respond to please:
You stated in a reply to Him n Her that "Honestly we have not considered creating a Gay Dating part to this site. Let's look at this after we have got the main site sorted out".
Can you expand on what you mean by this? Currently Swinging Heaven offers a Men Seeking Men section that is one of the most heavily used parts of the ads section. By "Gay Dating" do you mean an additional service or are you implying that Men Seeking Men may disappear in the short-term?

sorry to put a dampner on things, but I think they meant "Let's look at this after we have got the main site sorted out"
Believe me, at the moment they've got their work cut out for them as it is, just with familiarising themselves with the site .......... although they did find time to squiggle a logo :undecided: .......... but anyway - like I said, they're getting used to this place, then probably installing their pay stuff .......... they probably won't be looking into new suggestions for a while yet, or at least until that first bits done.
Could be wrong tho confused

Agreed they have a lot of work to do.....but I'm trying to find out whether they are talking about an addition or removing an existing service. The Men Seeking Men section is an integral part of the current site.

23 Nov 2005

Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
Agreed they have a lot of work to do.....but I'm trying to find out whether they are talking about an addition or removing an existing service. The Men Seeking Men section is an integral part of the current site.

Ah ok I'm with ya ......... fraid you're just gonna have to be like the rest of us at the moment, just bumble along in the dark and hope for the best confused

23 Nov 2005

Quote by Missy
...just bumble along in the dark and hope for the best

I can bumble pretty well....long as I've got my knee pads handy and a wind-up torch :smug:

23 Nov 2005

Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
Question for Martin or another of the new owners to respond to please:
You stated in a reply to Him n Her that "Honestly we have not considered creating a Gay Dating part to this site. Let's look at this after we have got the main site sorted out".
Can you expand on what you mean by this? Currently Swinging Heaven offers a Men Seeking Men section that is one of the most heavily used parts of the ads section. By "Gay Dating" do you mean an additional service or are you implying that Men Seeking Men may disappear in the short-term?

I wonder where they are going biggrin

23 Nov 2005

The other Mods and I are not aware of any plans to remove the Men Seeking Men section of the ads (or any other section!!) confused

:? :?

23 Nov 2005

Martin's response was to answer something that was asked of him in a PM. As Missy has just pointed out, Martin said that it would be looked out once the main part of the site was sorted out.
To get an understandimg of the context in which he responded, you'd have to find out who asked him the question in the first place I guess

23 Nov 2005

Quote by Sgt Bilko
The other Mods and I are not aware of any plans to remove the Men Seeking Men section of the ads (or any other section!!) :? :?

Sarge, wouldn't the list be a tad shorter if we said what the mods were aware of?? rotflmao

23 Nov 2005

Could Martin pass on his response so it could be added here? I'm sure there will be others interested in what's happening on this.

23 Nov 2005

Err Martin's response was It will be looked at when the main part of the site is sorted out

23 Nov 2005

If you have any questions feel free to PM Martin or any of the Admin team. confused

:? :?

23 Nov 2005

have they found the missing men yet rolleyes

23 Nov 2005

Quote by markz
have they found the missing men yet

:laughabove:

23 Nov 2005

I've PMd Martin directly about this, quoting my original text. I'll post his response here.
Although this question may seem unimportant to the majority of the members, I'd like to point out assurances have been given that existing functionality and services on the site won't be altered in the short term. The response here seems out of line with the approach which is why I think it's important to clarify it.
If one alteration is being made, there may be others that would impact larger numbers of users and it sets a precedent that the assurances may not be all they seem.

24 Nov 2005

thanks for the heads up m4m.
I wouldn't want the women seeking women to go to "gay section" either cos I'm not gay I'm bisexual and proud.
kiss

Gem. x

24 Nov 2005

Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
Agreed they have a lot of work to do.....but I'm trying to find out whether they are talking about an addition or removing an existing service. The Men Seeking Men section is an integral part of the current site.

I can see how you could be concerned but we wouldn't want to remove any of the sections, it wouldn't improve the site or help the community and would be pointless.
Martin was asked a question and gave an honest answer to the question in that we hadn't really thought about it yet, if you have any ideas for tailoring/adding to what is there at the moment please pm myself, Martin or Elliot.

24 Nov 2005

Dating?
Did someone say dating?
Has anyone read the name of this site lately?
Is it "Dating Heaven"?
I think not. rolleyes

If you want a dating site, I imagine it must be very easy to set one up as there are millions of them. Why hijack a Swinging site?

24 Nov 2005

You could rename it the homme service. lol

24 Nov 2005

Quote by Ice Pie
Dating?
Did someone say dating?
Has anyone read the name of this site lately?
Is it "Dating Heaven"?
I think not.
If you want a dating site, I imagine it must be very easy to set one up as there are millions of them. Why hijack a Swinging site?

And yet how many couples have got together just lately? ;)
It's just a turn of phrase Ice. McrM4M isn't looking to date anyone, although I'm sure he'll be along soon enough in his own defence. He's not hijacking the site, just hoping that there'll still be a male for males contacts area (as there is now)

24 Nov 2005

Quote by MikeNorth
You could rename it the homme service.

ROFLMAO :P

24 Nov 2005

As promised, here's the PM I received from Martin:

Quote by Martin_M

Hi Thanks for your PM, we have been asked over a dozen times for a gay dating part to the site. This would be in addition to what is on offer now, the Gay and BI part of this community is very strong. You will see in the first launch of improvements that the search feature has been refined to help on this side.
So basically if you imagine everything will be as described here and when you enter the site you can choose to go to a gay dating area, this will have its own forum, chat room, and all the other features. It will contain content that the gay community wants to list and it can arange its own meets and have profiles etc.
Your next question is going to be is it free?
Yes

My response to this (just for the record) is that I'm not one of the people who have asked for this facility and to be honest I don't welcome it and won't be using it. There are a zillion other sites offering precisely this service elsewhere and they are already firmly established. "over a dozen" sounds a very small number upon which to base a decision to "enhance" the service.
I would be surprised if this could be anything other than a "me too" service on here and it isn't what Swinging Heaven is about.
I think there is a subtle difference here that you seem to be missing out on. Men Seeking Men is used by a variety of males - some out gay, some in the closet, some bisexual or bi-curious, married/single. I suspect a lot of the MSM users wouldn't necessarily identify themselves with what you are proposing.
PS: Thanks for the support Angel and Gem - appreciated kiss

I didn't take Ice Pie's comment about hijacking as being aimed at me (correct me if I'm wrong)...I assumed it was aimed at the suggestion of an additional "Dating" section.

24 Nov 2005

did martin explain where the missing men had gone rolleyes

25 Nov 2005

Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
PS: Thanks for the support Angel and Gem - appreciated I didn't take Ice Pie's comment about hijacking as being aimed at me (correct me if I'm wrong)...I assumed it was aimed at the suggestion of an additional "Dating" section.

No, it wasn't aimed at you, or anyone in particular, but at the idea.
I don't like the response you got.. specialist interest forums will marginalise one section of the SH community, and others will then demand exclusive areas for their particular interest in the name of equality, and before you know it the whole thing becomes a load of little sub-groups and the whole point of SH disappears. sad

There are a million websites that cater to every respective taste, preference and activity.
There is only one that was conceived to cater to a broad community of liberated adults of all persuasions.
SH The Community is the only meaningful online community of its type in existence. If SH The Website no longer wants to cater to that community, I expect the community will go somewhere else.

25 Nov 2005

Quote by Ice Pie
Dating?
Did someone say dating?
Has anyone read the name of this site lately?
Is it "Dating Heaven"?
I think not.
If you want a dating site, I imagine it must be very easy to set one up as there are millions of them. Why hijack a Swinging site?

I agree with this completely.
If you come here for N.S.A. and find the love of your life soul mate by accident..... so be it, congratulations.
The last thing I want is a flurry of women or men or anyone inbetween PMing my inbox proposing to me or wanting to date me, that is NOT why I come here.
I am Bisexual, not Gay and so why on earth would I identify with a section for Gay Dating when I'm on a Swinging site. confused

As soon as you start getting Vanilla about this site.... I'm off. If i want a date I'd go to adult friendfinder, , plentyof fish..... etc..... there are tons of them dating sites.

25 Nov 2005

I also agree.
The Site is for UK based Swingers. It doesn't have to be everything to everybody. This isn't Woolworths.
Mal
wink

25 Nov 2005

Quote by Mal
This isn't Woolworths.

:giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
Pick-n-Mix anyone?

25 Nov 2005

There's one very sensible way to integrate a (paid or otherwise) gay dating site to SH, and that's to set it up somewhere else and use the banners in the 'men for men' and other relevant photo-ads sections to advertise it. It would certainly be a lot more relevant than the current straight oriented adverts that appear there, and people's natural reluctance to follow off-site links could be assuaged by a tag line in the advert saying the site is related to SH. I'm sure there are people wandering round the very blunt and graphic adverts in men for men who want something more loving and long-term, at the moment thay are probably just leaving.

25 Nov 2005

Agree with Mister_Discreet's suggestion for a linked site which would keep this site on focus.....I'm not so convinced that there are people trawling through the M$M ads looking for relationships. Surely it's quite clear from the outset what audience this site caters for.
The considerable numbers of men advertising in that section is a good indicator that they already have the section they want - it's the second most popular section in the ads based on the number of pages. As of today, the totals are as follows:
Men seeking couples: 192
Men seeking men: 170
Men seeking women: 164
Couples seeking couples: 91
TV/TS/CD and fetish: 84
Couples seeking men: 43
Couiples seeking women: 55
Dogging: 37
Women seeking women: 20
Men seeking groups: 14
Women seeking couples: 7
Couples seeking groups: 5
Women seeking men: 5
Holidays: 3
Women seeking groups: 2
Clubs and parties: 1

25 Nov 2005

Gay "dating"............. rotflmao

.......... well, do gay/bi men exist who trawl through Internet sites looking for thier true love on men seeking men sections????????? I thought they were looking to fuck??????
Oh, maybe it's me.......... I have no romance in my soul, that's the problem
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehe
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