Having read this post thread, and subsequent threads regarding size, ugliness, fat, thin, minging, beautiful etc.. etc...
I(Paul) wish to voice my opinion on the Radlett parties.
Susie and I have both been to radlett and the age range, is pretty accurate. However, as always seems to be the case in this forum, one comment, that in my opinion, has been taken out of context by some people leads to a massacre of individuals.
The people that went to the Radlett party were of all shapes, sizes, race, there wasn't 'fat' people there, there were some large build people. When i say large, i mean large, not fat.
I often wonder about the insecurities of people if they feel that they 'have' to make a stand because of the way they are built. I know many large people and some are attractive, I know many 'fat' people and some are unnattractive.
If people on this forum feel they are inadequate because of the way they look because they are bigger, that is their problem, not others. Why is it that if somebody makes a comment on size, it is immediately jumped on as an opportunity to defamate the character of someone?
I myself find 'fat' people unnattractive, does this make me any less of a human being for having my own preferences? They may be beautiful people inside and I may get on really well with that person, it is a fault of mine, or a fault of anyone else for that matter if i/they don't find a 'fat' person sexually appealing?
I like this forum, i really do, but i find that the tired 'club together and massacre anyone who doesn't agree with what we're saying' attitude that seems prevelant here really off putting at times.
This posting is not directed at individuals and it is not meant to be offensive, i'm not the kind of person who'll just agree with the masses to keep things on an even keel, i'm no yes man, i have an opinion, and it is my own.
I have made some great friends here and i wish to carry on making friends, even if they are fat, ugly, sexy, minging, beautiful.
I just wish sometimes that people would take a step back and try and understand what they are saying sometimes instead of victimising certain people for comments that have been made/taken out of context.
Paul
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Quote by PaulnSusie
If people on this forum feel they are inadequate because of the way they look because they are bigger, that is their problem, not others. Why is it that if somebody makes a comment on size, it is immediately jumped on as an opportunity to defamate the character of someone?
I would just like it known that I do NOT feel inadequate for being bigger than some other people.
To a certain extent I actually feel like I am better than some as I don't judge people just on their look alone
Dawn :silly:
Quote by celticq
I actually don't care about being excluded for being fat. It is after all their business and I'm sure they know who their target market is. But why have a go at me. I am struggling to find a time when I have been more offended by a one liner comment like that.
CQ
God its a sad day when I quoting yourself :cry:
I totally agree with Paul about the what sometimes appears to be a mob descending on someone who voices a different opinions - I have watched threads like it before and I'd be horrified if I thought I was joining in with that sort of thing.
I also agree as I stated above that I (as a fat person) am not unhappy at being discriminated against. And as a business owner I can see why this type of targeting is sometimes appropiate.
But....By making what seems to be such a nasty comment about a loss of pride in appearance directed at one group of people I think the owners of Radlettes are leaving themselves wide open to critisism from the people of this site and anyone else for that matter.
I am a little bit of everthing beautiful in the world - which is why I may be bigger than you.
maybe massacre was a bit strong, but that was my point, sometimes there are.
I'm also, expressing my thoughts, what is wrong with that.
Looking back through some threads in very recent history, if someone has made a comment that isn't agreed to by certain people, then the person who made that comment has been victimised a little. I also think that if it wasn't for the fact that the perosn had a strong character , they could've been quite upset with the response from certain members.
Maybe i will be victimised for being non-conformist to the masses on the forum, time will tell
Paul
I'm also, expressing my thoughts, what is wrong with that.
Looking back through some threads in very recent history, if someone has made a comment that isn't agreed to by certain people, then the person who made that comment has been victimised a little. I also think that if it wasn't for the fact that the perosn had a strong character , they could've been quite upset with the response from certain members.
Maybe i will be victimised for being non-conformist to the masses on the forum, time will tell
Paul
Sex God
Dear god. :shock: :shock: :shock:
I don't do that do I?
All my posts are an attempt to express either my own opinion or advice or to gently poke fun at people (as in the "Is anyone actually genuine?" thread).
I have seen (and heard stories, including someone being stabbed) of what happens when you post indiscriminately and push people too far.
I'd hate to think I was descending into the mob mentality and ripping strips off people just so I could fit in with the group.
Right I'm off to dig my burning torch out of the shed. (joke)
:lol:
I don't do that do I?
All my posts are an attempt to express either my own opinion or advice or to gently poke fun at people (as in the "Is anyone actually genuine?" thread).
I have seen (and heard stories, including someone being stabbed) of what happens when you post indiscriminately and push people too far.
I'd hate to think I was descending into the mob mentality and ripping strips off people just so I could fit in with the group.
Right I'm off to dig my burning torch out of the shed. (joke)
:lol: Quote by Clare_Lincs
In my opinion this forum is here for amongst other things,to express your opinions and thoughts and thats exactly what is happening here,i think a massacre is a bit much!!
its simply an exchange of opinions to which everyone is entitled,whats wrong with that???
Hi Clare
I can tell you whats wrong with it.
Whats wrong is when ppl start to get personal.
Im not sure if you are famliar with the tirade of abuse that was suffered by Mel & Myself but some of that was very personal, and we were just expressing our preference / opinion.
I enjoy this site - but it deffinitely feels like theres an 'if you dont agree with us your wrong' attitude some of the time.
Personally I couldnt care less if people dont agree with my opinions - and if I didnt like it here I would vote with my feet and toddle off to another site.
Dxx
Sex God
i am sooooo gonna hate myself, but i can't ignore it . . . . .
i think you have already found on another thread, that while we all have a sexual preference, it is perhaps better kept to yourself, in the company of likeminded individuals! who knows, maybe you find your preferences are not what you thought they we're, which is why we are all here, i think!
possibly some people find themselves here with those issues, and then find they are not issues at all, in here
i think you will find that this of all places is one of those places where that does not happen, unless unbelievably crass and ill-considered comments have been made . . .
nor is my reply to you, in any way shape or form. i suspect i have come across as such . . . i apologise . . .
it is up to others to judge whether i would have been allowed in . . . i no longer want to try!!! thanks for that!
unquoted, and i now pick my words carefully, and they might come out all wrong. i hope CQ that you found at the weekend, that what i've tried badly to say above is, is more representative of the people here, that we have both met, than the radlett "fat" thing!!! . . . . after all that, i find i can't find the right words, so i won't try . . . .
and if i have been at all offensive, i apologise. healthy debate is why we're here, is it not???
neil x x x x
Quote by Paul
I myself find 'fat' people unnattractive, does this make me any less of a human being for having my own preferences? They may be beautiful people inside and I may get on really well with that person, it is a fault of mine, or a fault of anyone else for that matter if i/they don't find a 'fat' person sexually appealing?
i think you have already found on another thread, that while we all have a sexual preference, it is perhaps better kept to yourself, in the company of likeminded individuals! who knows, maybe you find your preferences are not what you thought they we're, which is why we are all here, i think!
Quote by Paul
If people on this forum feel they are inadequate
possibly some people find themselves here with those issues, and then find they are not issues at all, in here
Quote by Paul
I like this forum, i really do, but i find that the tired 'club together and massacre anyone who doesn't agree with what we're saying' attitude that seems prevelant here really off putting at times.
i think you will find that this of all places is one of those places where that does not happen, unless unbelievably crass and ill-considered comments have been made . . .
Quote by Paul
it is not meant to be offensive
nor is my reply to you, in any way shape or form. i suspect i have come across as such . . . i apologise . . .
Quote by Dxx
And I also doubt that those ppl would get into Radlett.
it is up to others to judge whether i would have been allowed in . . . i no longer want to try!!! thanks for that!
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unquoted, and i now pick my words carefully, and they might come out all wrong. i hope CQ that you found at the weekend, that what i've tried badly to say above is, is more representative of the people here, that we have both met, than the radlett "fat" thing!!! . . . . after all that, i find i can't find the right words, so i won't try . . . .
and if i have been at all offensive, i apologise. healthy debate is why we're here, is it not???
neil x x x x
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Whats wrong is when ppl start to get personal.
Im not sure if you are famliar with the tirade of abuse that was suffered by Mel & Myself but some of that was very personal, and we were just expressing our preference / opinion.
I enjoy this site - but it deffinitely feels like theres an 'if you dont agree with us your wrong' attitude some of the time.
Personally I couldnt care less if people dont agree with my opinions - and if I didnt like it here I would vote with my feet and toddle off to another site.
Dxx
I agree that it's not nice when it starts to get personal,everyone has a right to voice opinions.
The problem is though,people can be hurt by points made that maybe arent seen as personal to the person voicing them.
I love a good debate but everyone should think about other peoples feelings before they type,and i'm definately not suggesting that we should all be nice just for the sake of it,that would be i making sense
Quote by Paul
I myself find 'fat' people unnattractive, does this make me any less of a human being for having my own preferences? They may be beautiful people inside and I may get on really well with that person, it is a fault of mine, or a fault of anyone else for that matter if i/they don't find a 'fat' person sexually appealing?
What happens, then, when you've spent plenty of time online chatting to an individual, you find yourself drawn to them, you chat and an attraction between you appears. You get on well and build up a great relationship online, you like the same things sexually, you would like to arrange to meet.
Then you find that the person you thought was lovely and alluring is slightly larger???
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Hi Clare
I can tell you whats wrong with it.
Whats wrong is when ppl start to get personal.
Dxx
Ok so your obviously taking personal offence to what has been said in this thread,but do you think that others have taken personal offence too??Thats why they have replied,including myself!
I don't like people who judge people on a purely physical basis,i don't ask anyone to agree with me it just the way i feel.
And as this is an open forum then i feel nothing wrong with voicing my opinions here,its that simple,if anyone has taken offence,then i appologise but it certainly wasnt intentional!
Quote by neilinleeds
i am sooooo gonna hate myself, but i can't ignore it . . . . .
I myself find 'fat' people unnattractive, does this make me any less of a human being for having my own preferences? They may be beautiful people inside and I may get on really well with that person, it is a fault of mine, or a fault of anyone else for that matter if i/they don't find a 'fat' person sexually appealing?
i think you have already found on another thread, that while we all have a sexual preference, it is perhaps better kept to yourself, in the company of likeminded individuals! who knows, maybe you find your preferences are not what you thought they we're, which is why we are all here, i think!
Quote by Paul
If people on this forum feel they are inadequate
possibly some people find themselves here with those issues, and then find they are not issues at all, in here
Quote by Paul
I like this forum, i really do, but i find that the tired 'club together and massacre anyone who doesn't agree with what we're saying' attitude that seems prevelant here really off putting at times.
i think you will find that this of all places is one of those places where that does not happen, unless unbelievably crass and ill-considered comments have been made . . .
Quote by Paul
it is not meant to be offensive
nor is my reply to you, in any way shape or form. i suspect i have come across as such . . . i apologise . . .
Quote by Dxx
And I also doubt that those ppl would get into Radlett.
it is up to others to judge whether i would have been allowed in . . . i no longer want to try!!! thanks for that!
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unquoted, and i now pick my words carefully, and they might come out all wrong. i hope CQ that you found at the weekend, that what i've tried badly to say above is, is more representative of the people here, that we have both met, than the radlett "fat" thing!!! . . . . after all that, i find i can't find the right words, so i won't try . . . .
and if i have been at all offensive, i apologise. healthy debate is why we're here, is it not???
neil x x x x
Neil,
While I appreciate your 'concerns' about me wanting to keep my preferences to myself, can i ask why? I'm not going to hide behind a facade and pretend to be something/someone I'm not
How you can honestly say that people don't jump on a bandwagon and tear into someone for expressing an opinion that differs from the masses doesn't happen here, i refer you to a thread about a certain members thread for 'excluding' members, I have no wish to get into a slanging match, but i think your observations are incredibly wrong :)
I didn't find your post at all offensive, in fact, healthy debate, differing opinions and general discussion invigorate my mind.
Paul
Quote by Clare_Lincs
Ok so your obviously taking personal offence to what has been said in this thread,but do you think that others have taken personal offence too??Thats why they have replied,including myself!
I don't like people who judge people on a purely physical basis,i don't ask anyone to agree with me it just the way i feel.
And as this is an open forum then i feel nothing wrong with voicing my opinions here,its that simple,if anyone has taken offence,then i appologise but it certainly wasnt intentional!
Hi Clare
I think you may have misunderstood me.
I have not taken any offence from anything in this thread.
And yes you are completely free to voice your opinions, as am I and everyone else.
However I dont beleive that people should be allowed to get personal just because they dont agree with an opinion/view/preference.
Dont you agree???
Dx
Quote by Calista
I myself find 'fat' people unnattractive, does this make me any less of a human being for having my own preferences? They may be beautiful people inside and I may get on really well with that person, it is a fault of mine, or a fault of anyone else for that matter if i/they don't find a 'fat' person sexually appealing?
What happens, then, when you've spent plenty of time online chatting to an individual, you find yourself drawn to them, you chat and an attraction between you appears. You get on well and build up a great relationship online, you like the same things sexually, you would like to arrange to meet.
Then you find that the person you thought was lovely and alluring is slightly larger???
I said in my post, that i find 'fat' people unnattractive, nowhere can i recall saying that i didn't find 'slightly larger' people unnattractive.
As for putting myself in a situation where i would/could find an attraction developing online without meeting someone... Simply, I wouldn't. I've met people on this forum that i find stimulating, nothing more.
I may seem shallow and the old adage of beauty on the inside is true to a certain extent. i ask you this, if you 'developed' a relationship online, and felt attracted to that person sexually, then met up with said person and found him/her/them physically unnattractive, would you sleep with them because you felt that the 'online' attraction was more important to you?
I myself have to be physically attracted to someone to develop things further sexually. OK, If i'm in the minority, which i believe I am not, then I apologise for expressing my views. But as has been said, this is an open forum, for open discussion.
Paul
Quote by PaulnSusie
I may seem shallow and the old adage of beauty on the inside is true to a certain extent.
I ask you this, if you 'developed' a relationship online, and felt attracted to that person sexually, then met up with said person and found him/her/them physically unnattractive, would you sleep with them because you felt that the 'online' attraction was more important to you?
Paul
I guess it depends how far you've had to travel....!!!
Dx
I have been reading this debate with great interest. But I would like to point out that the Radlett party when we went there, was a complete mix of people of all shapes, sizes, races, fetishes and was BY NO MEANS full of model type "beautiful" people - in fact a very wide cross-section of the human population and an accurate representation of our swinging community. Although I can understand that the wording in the website could cause offense - there was a very large proportion of people who obviously took no offense! We had a great time and I would also like to point out that there is absolutely no screening policy regarding applicants and ABSOLUTELY NO BODY IS TURNED AWAY ON THE BASIS OF LOOKS OR SIZE. Just wanted to point that out.
Susie x
Susie x
Orgasminator
Quote by PaulnSusie
Susie and I have both been to radlett and the age range, is pretty accurate. However, as always seems to be the case in this forum, one comment, that in my opinion, has been taken out of context by some people leads to a massacre of individuals.
Hiya Paul
Quote by Radlett Website
There is no restriction on age or physique, but it has been many months since we saw any one who had lost pride in their appearance to the extent of being fat.
Can you not see the ugly nature of the above sentence? I completely understand that people have preferences, nature made us that way but to communicate your dislike of a certain type of build in such a negative way is disturbing. Thirty years ago it could have said...
"There is no restriction on age or physique, but it has been many months since we saw any one of dark skin colour who got ideas above their station."
I know I'm giving an extreme example but the comparison is there I feel.
Quote by PaulnSusie
If people on this forum feel they are inadequate because of the way they look because they are bigger, that is their problem, not others. Why is it that if somebody makes a comment on size, it is immediately jumped on as an opportunity to defamate the character of someone?
I would feel the same if the sentence had been about thin people with big hooked noses... it is not the preference stated as such but more about the derogatory way in which the preference was laid out.
With regard to your comment about people defaming the characters of others... I've genuinely not seen it... but I must admit to having a sneaking suspicion that you were adopting a stance of 'attack is the best form of defence'
Quote by PaulnSusie
I myself find 'fat' people unnattractive, does this make me any less of a human being for having my own preferences? They may be beautiful people inside and I may get on really well with that person, it is a fault of mine, or a fault of anyone else for that matter if i/they don't find a 'fat' person sexually appealing?
Nope... not a sausage wrong with that... but would you personally have written that sentence? If not, is it possible that you see the offensiveness of it.
Thanks for reading...
Sex God
Quote by paul
How you can honestly say that people don't jump on a bandwagon and tear into someone for expressing an opinion that differs from the masses doesn't happen here, i refer you to a thread about a certain members thread for 'excluding' members, I have no wish to get into a slanging match, but i think your observations are incredibly wrong
i really have no wish whatsoever to get into a slanging match either. i think it probably would have been better in pm, but this is after all OPEN forum. that any of us feel a need to defend the site or it's members, i think is testament to it's success! many of us, in my experience, are toe dippers, who will no doubt move on once they find the water's lovely, and no longer need the forums so much! ;-)
i wish i was better at choosing my words, honest! what i have learnt, being a member of this site for a relatively short time, is that often we take general statements as personal ones, cos our reasons for being here are very personal to us! that an offhand comment might serve to exclude, or enforce impressions of cliqueness, are my concerns, here, and in other threads of mine that you might well be referring to. the day when a healthy exchange of views no longer happens, on any topic, is the day this site becomes completely redundant, for me at least! but i know from my own experience, and that of many many others that i speak to, that it is the concept of being included in the swinging world that draws us to this site, as non-swingers or wannabes or whatever you might want to call us. that anyone should feel excluded, for whatever reason, and lose something that has become very very important to me over the last few weeks, is my concern.
once again, i truly have no wish whatsoever to be offensive, or to disparrage, and i apologise once again if i seemed to be so doing . . . . .
i'm really gonna say no more i think on this, cos i often find what i post and what i'm trying to say do not completely match . . . .
neil x x x ;-)
Orgasminator
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Hi there
You have a PM
Dxx
Please don't think I'm ignoring you 'cos I'm not... got two hungry girls to feed and then we are all off to the cinema to see the Bourne Supremacy film... Will read through the stuff and PM you back... 'K?
Sex God
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I would feel the same if the sentence had been about thin people with big hooked noses
god bless ya!!!! i don't have <<<<<<< that avatar for nowt ya know . . . . .
sorry i think we need to lighten the tone, and i know i have been very guilty of maybe darkening it a bit!
neil x x x x x
Quote by WibblyWobbly
Susie and I have both been to radlett and the age range, is pretty accurate. However, as always seems to be the case in this forum, one comment, that in my opinion, has been taken out of context by some people leads to a massacre of individuals.
Hiya Paul
Quote by Radlett Website
There is no restriction on age or physique, but it has been many months since we saw any one who had lost pride in their appearance to the extent of being fat.
Can you not see the ugly nature of the above sentence? I completely understand that people have preferences, nature made us that way but to communicate your dislike of a certain type of build in such a negative way is disturbing. Thirty years ago it could have said...
"There is no restriction on age or physique, but it has been many months since we saw any one of dark skin colour who got ideas above their station."
I know I'm giving an extreme example but the comparison is there I feel.
Quote by PaulnSusie
If people on this forum feel they are inadequate because of the way they look because they are bigger, that is their problem, not others. Why is it that if somebody makes a comment on size, it is immediately jumped on as an opportunity to defamate the character of someone?
I would feel the same if the sentence had been about thin people with big hooked noses... it is not the preference stated as such but more about the derogatory way in which the preference was laid out.
With regard to your comment about people defaming the characters of others... I've genuinely not seen it... but I must admit to having a sneaking suspicion that you were adopting a stance of 'attack is the best form of defence'
Quote by PaulnSusie
I myself find 'fat' people unnattractive, does this make me any less of a human being for having my own preferences? They may be beautiful people inside and I may get on really well with that person, it is a fault of mine, or a fault of anyone else for that matter if i/they don't find a 'fat' person sexually appealing?
Nope... not a sausage wrong with that... but would you personally have written that sentence? If not, is it possible that you see the offensiveness of it.
Thanks for reading...
Hiya Wibbly :)
I do see the point being made, and maybe it was a wrong choice of wording, however, as stated on the website, there is no restriction on age or physique. I have a bit of a beer belly, but i take pride in my appearance. I haven't'let myself go' i do look after myself in the best way i can.
I myself wouldn't have worded the comment that the appears on the Radlett Party website, and I suppose i could pick up on it as an outrageous statement that needs to be brought to the attention of every forum user, however, i do hold with what he was trying to say, not the 'fat' comment but people who'd let themselves go. In other threads, not Radlett, there have beem comments made about people not 'dressing up' enough and that swingers in general are not really making an effort, sweat tops, pants etc..
For the record, to my knowledge, my character has not been 'defamed' therefore, i don't feel i need to adopt the stance of 'attacking someone to defend myself' on the contrary, i think the attacks being directed at a website which only days earlier was the toast of the community on this forum, altogether a completely different animal now, because the wording of one sentence was to the distate of members.
I don't know the guy personally, i've met him and his wife and they are genuinely lovely people, do you not think his character is being reflected in a totally different light than it was a few days ago after the prgram had aired?
I utterly respect the viewpoint and thoughts of others as I hope my comments and thoughts are respected as my own opinion, not anyone elses.
Paul
Well `hey ho` as Mark says, perhaps my email was polite enough to point this out. However, if they`ve been on TV recently (I can`t get channel 5) they might be overwhelmed with emails as it is...possibly of the `you will all burn in hell` variety.
At least all us deviants can keep each other company in the afterlife, no matter what we all look like!
Venusxxx
At least all us deviants can keep each other company in the afterlife, no matter what we all look like!
Venusxxx
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However, if they`ve been on TV recently (I can`t get channel 5) they might be overwhelmed with emails as it is...possibly of the `you will all burn in hell` variety.
At least all us deviants can keep each other company in the afterlife, no matter what we all look like!
Venusxxx
I should imagine the TV program had a dramatic effect on the ammount of emails the Radlett chap receives.
I know that we had an influx of emails requesting invites to our party the day after that program was screened - so the Radlett guys was and probably is swammped with them - and Im also sure only a fraction of them will be of the 'Burn in Hell' variety.
Dxx
This one will never resolve itself...
I'd like to make the following points:
Several Swinging groups were approached by the makers of this T.V. programme. All that I know of declined the offer to be involved as most Swingers do like their activities to be descrete, and any 'expose' is bad for attendance figures. One group I know of went under because of a newspaper report. The only motivation Radlett seems to have had is that they were ALREADY struggling to attract the 'kind of members' they are pitching for - bluntly, they had nothing to lose. And Best of British to them!
The person responsible for the website blurb in an arsehole... end of debate! If he or she can't express themselves better than to spark off all this bad feeling, the evidence suggests a career in accountancy is better suited.
Of course Radlett is commercial... and so are all the rest! If anyone has ever organised their own party, as I have, you'd soon realise that there is no fun whatsoever in it doing it regularly - unless you're getting something out of it financially. :wink:
So... you pays your money and takes your choice!
The main problem with enterprises such as these if that although they can guarentee a steady flow of guys on their books, they can never guarentee that enough women or couples will attend each party they advertise. Almost all of these so called 'Swingers Groups' empoly what they lovingly refer to as 'Party Girls' (Which you and I would call Prostitutes.) These 'Party Girls' pamper to the guys and make them feel they've scored so they'll come back again and again and again... In practice, say if our Venus attended and came across all smitten and took a chap - or bunch of chaps :twisted: - upstairs, lay down on the bed (and you almost always have to share beds!) next to a another woman, that woman next to Venus could well be earning £200 for doing what Venus is doing for free.
How do you feel about Parties now..? :wink:
I'd like to make the following points:
Several Swinging groups were approached by the makers of this T.V. programme. All that I know of declined the offer to be involved as most Swingers do like their activities to be descrete, and any 'expose' is bad for attendance figures. One group I know of went under because of a newspaper report. The only motivation Radlett seems to have had is that they were ALREADY struggling to attract the 'kind of members' they are pitching for - bluntly, they had nothing to lose. And Best of British to them!
The person responsible for the website blurb in an arsehole... end of debate! If he or she can't express themselves better than to spark off all this bad feeling, the evidence suggests a career in accountancy is better suited.
Of course Radlett is commercial... and so are all the rest! If anyone has ever organised their own party, as I have, you'd soon realise that there is no fun whatsoever in it doing it regularly - unless you're getting something out of it financially. :wink:
So... you pays your money and takes your choice!
The main problem with enterprises such as these if that although they can guarentee a steady flow of guys on their books, they can never guarentee that enough women or couples will attend each party they advertise. Almost all of these so called 'Swingers Groups' empoly what they lovingly refer to as 'Party Girls' (Which you and I would call Prostitutes.) These 'Party Girls' pamper to the guys and make them feel they've scored so they'll come back again and again and again... In practice, say if our Venus attended and came across all smitten and took a chap - or bunch of chaps :twisted: - upstairs, lay down on the bed (and you almost always have to share beds!) next to a another woman, that woman next to Venus could well be earning £200 for doing what Venus is doing for free.
How do you feel about Parties now..? :wink:
Quote by Mark
You're sure?
We get about 50/50 congrats to you're all sickos emails, and we haven't even been on the TV... people have to actively find us to tell us we should go and die of AIDS. Well, I guess 1/2 is a fraction ;)
Gosh, really...
I would have thought people would have better things to do!!
Havent the time to read through all of that thread just yet - but I will
Dx
ps I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate you for all being sicko's..
