Rape fantasy!

22 Jun 2006

Quote by Jas-Tim
Surely the danger of this sort of thing is that it gives a clear message to those men who can't take no for an answer that maybe, just maybe, the woman they're forcing themselves on actually wants it. After all they've read it here haven't they - all these horny women wanting to have men forcing themselves on them! What more encouragement do they need?

No!!!! - show me one post that doesn't agree with the safety and trust issue? Show me where one person has said they would be happy to do this fantasy with a stranger?
I have stressed time and time again throughout this thread that the safety/trust issue is paramount - and feel quite insulted to be accused of otherwise!
Missy, sorry but you are missing my point entirely again. My point is not what you/yours/anyone else choose to do in private or about what anyone has said here. Indeed several people have correctly pointed out that sex in such circumstances between consenting adults ISN'T ! My point is ENTIRELY about the need to be responsible for what we do/say in public about a serious issue such as . We quite rightly would not tolerate fantasies about children so why would we tolerate open rooms discussing fantasy? It's not you or indeed any self controlled consensual people I'm worried about - it's those sad, deluded, predatory men who may gain entry to such rooms and thereby get the message that is a turn on.
We must be responsible for our words/actions and using terminolgy such as in our publicly voiced fantasies a) does nothing to promote the notion that it is entirely unacceptable, b) could well prejudice the chances of genuine victims obtaining justice and c) could well encourage certain individuals to behave in that manner when consent isn't given.
Nobody here has disagreed with you on the point of terminology, or on it being tolerated on this site, it isn't.
If however someone is trying to contribute to a discussion on forced sex/loss of control fantasies that a lot of women do seem to have, then informing on the safe way to go about it can be and is helpful, I feel.
Jas
XXX
Me too - it's just that an open chatroom is not the place imo. :thumbup:
edit - just read your edit jas-tim smile

I think some people forgot what the original point of this thread was.

22 Jun 2006

Quote by de_sade

Are you organising such an event? If so, wait for my return in autumn. I would make a great Valkyrie* and could show Markz how men can be !

Hey, why not go the whole hog and organise a whole series of such events FFS. We could have :
Yankee soldiers and the Vietcong
Night-club bouncers and solitary female
Nazi Stormtropers and the Jewish refugees
Policemen (+truncheons) and the drunken party-goer
Ted Bundy and the College Co-eds
rolleyes

Sorry, I don't think this is a suitable subject for such jocularity. mad

Killjoy? Possibly but this is how becomes viewed as less than how serious a crime it actually is. Fortunately I can differentiate between fantasy and reality, but there are some people out there who can't.
Making the situation of something to laugh and joke about simply perpetuates the myth that is not that serious a crime.
It is.
Tania you should be ashamed of yourself.
De_sade
and what I was suggesting wasn't that sort of thing. Yes in history it wasn't very nice, but I wasn't saying to re-enact such a thing accurately. If a group of people all get together and decide to have sex together thats fine, so what is wrong with dressing the men as vikings and the women as wenches whilst they are doing it? As I said as well, to facilitate the mechanism of saying no to somone you don't fancy the wenches could have a rolling pin to hand to enable them to stay in character and say no, of course simply saying no would be valid too and the viking would have to go elsewhere.
Some women may like the scenes you suggested as long as there is control and it is not out of hand, I have seen adverts for people wanting a group of men to use them as a pseudo sex slave, done in the proper and correct way it's enjoyable for all with the right people.
It's not going to be everyones cup of tea which is why not everyone does it but, some people it is.

22 Jun 2006

Quote by de_sade
Hey, why not go the whole hog and organise a whole series of such events FFS. We could have :
Yankee soldiers and the Vietcong
Night-club bouncers and solitary female
Nazi Stormtropers and the Jewish refugees
Policemen (+truncheons) and the drunken party-goer
Ted Bundy and the College Co-eds

Sorry, I don't think this is a suitable subject for such jocularity.
Making the situation of something to laugh and joke about simply perpetuates the myth that is not that serious a crime.
It is.
Tania you should be ashamed of yourself.
De_sade

Dear De_sade
For a man who has used the name of the most notorious pervert in the world as a handle, you are far too judgemental of others. I believe that you have not read the entire thread carefully before picking up on something I said and making a big deal of it.
For your information, Markz asked if men can be . The answer implied by my response was that yes, they can be . It was a tongue in cheek suggestion to show him how and I am sure he at least has taken it in the spirit it was meant. I feel you have missed the entire point of clinguist's fantasy role play idea. So please put away your torch of fire and quit the witchhunt. I have done nothing to be ashamed of, at least not this time! lol

Regards

22 Jun 2006

Think this might be the right juncture at which to lock this thread. The intention was not to hurt anyone here or start arguments but I fear this may be where things are heading.
Most of what can usefully be said has been now.
Cheers!

22 Jun 2006

:thumbup:

22 Jun 2006

Firstly, I agree with all the eloquent posts that state this is not the place for any kind of fantasy. What two poeple who trust each other implicitly wish to do, however , is up to them.
The reason Im posting is to respnd to this:

Quote by naughtynymphos1
Actually naughtynymphos, some people who have experienced a form of sexual attack end up fantasising about i

sorry but i very much doubt that anyone who has been truely fantasises about it :shock:
A very close friend of mine has- (in the most abhorrent of circumstances). It is still- in a controlled environment - an enormous turn on for her.

22 Jun 2006

I am soooo sorry holier-than-thou De Sade!
Nurse, please inject this man with some sense of humour.

22 Jun 2006

I'm guessing you've read 180 days of sodom, sounded perverted to me!
I have carried out a fantasy, with someone I trust implicitly. Wouldn't even dream of allowing someone I didn't to do it. It was amazing.
I have read about victims carrying out such fantacies, to take control of the situation. If I could re-live the most horrendous event in my life and be in control of the outcome I would do it. However I don't think Swingers Heaven is the place for it.
H.x

22 Jun 2006

Quite right that man! That'll teach me to do 3 things at once!
It did get a bit far fetched towards the end though, makes modern day horror pale into insignificance.
H.x

23 Jun 2006

This is a very emotive topic, but the debate on the whole has made it one of the most interesting threads we have had for a long time. However, we don't want it to degenerate into personal snipes and the moderators will be keeping a close eye on it.
If you intend posting here, please keep on topic.
Thanks
Mal
wink

23 Jun 2006

WOW, can someone tell me why my post has been removed from this thread?
Tony

23 Jun 2006

Quote by Shaz_n_Tony
WOW, can someone tell me why my post has been removed from this thread?
Tony

When the thread started to go down hill, the bottom was chopped off :eeek:
It just happened that your post was one of those biggrin

This is, in my opinion, is a very good thread which we would like to stay on topic.
It shows others it is ok to have this type of fantasy, discusses the security apsect and gives them a more appropriate name, 'Loss of Control' :thumbup:

23 Jun 2006

Quote by Dawn_Mids
WOW, can someone tell me why my post has been removed from this thread?
Tony

When the thread started to go down hill, the bottom was chopped off :eeek:
It just happened that your post was one of those biggrin

This is, in my opinion, is a very good thread which we would like to stay on topic.
It shows others it is ok to have this type of fantasy, discusses the security apsect and gives them a more appropriate name, 'Loss of Control' :thumbup:
Ok then, well at least its been cleaned up a little in this thread and at least the mods are keeping a close eye on it :D
Tony

23 Jun 2006

I have - like others struggled through out reading this thread.... please leave the flaming for other threads as I feel that this is such a sensitive subject flaming (as opposed to sharing thoughts,feeling and opposing views sensibly ) is unwarrented.
When I read the intial post from osemlover- I was outraged when discovering that someone had opened a room to discuss an illegal act.
after reading more and more replys particularly from missy, darkfire, polo lady , tania, and kiss_me. I realised that my outrage was misinformed.
my two pennorth worth :- I agree that fantasies should not be discussed in an open chatroom. Password and invites etc would ensure you all enter the discussion at the same time and are singing from the same song sheet and aren't a being misinformed.
there are several points that have been brought up and I would like to agree and add my opinion and disagree with them.
I don't need to justify my opinion but it is professional as well as personal. I have worked in a theraputic way with paedophiles and rapists as well as survivors of those crimes. A perpetrator of abuse (this covers all the definitions) by the very definition of who they are needs no encouragement from a woman/man in an open chat room or a short skirt or a kiss etc to justify their actions. technically if I were to approach a random person (lets remember that women are perpetrators as well as man) and ask them to me then it would not be . disucussing a fantasy and living it out in a consensual way with another adult is no longer /abuse. I would be taking control in a new situation/fantasy. What we need to remember is that for a fantasy to become reality needs discussion. As soon as it becomes a discussion then it no longer lacks consent.( I am presuming that you have the discussion with the person you are living the fantasy with - see above about invitees)
There are degrees of sexual appetite.... plenty of people don't do anal sex.... it is a boundary for them. I am totally comfortable with it and view it as normal... but when being intimate with a new partner I have to be aware that this may need checking with them as they may not like it- they may also not be as aware of BBV as I am and move from orifice to orifice. These are all boundaries that need to be discussed when having sex with a new person or when wanting to move a boundary with them.
There are a well known lovely couple on here who are about to live one of their fantasies. It isn't my thing for obvious reasons... but they are both in control of what they are doing and they are adults. I know that they will have the best of fun lol

People do their own thing in their own private space. What it means is that they are opening their minds to consensual experiences between people old enough to have those experiences.
I loved the point about someone deliberately causing me harm...... etc. I have been asked to be physical with a partner and they have requested and enjoyed being bitten(very hard) and scratched etc etc. Now were I do that out of the bedroom I would be in prison as the bedroom was where they agreed for that to happen. Just as she could trust me to hurt her "safely" and within a boundary we had agreed. I trust that she is not going to falsly accuse me of harming her unasked.
I also have fantasies of being "taken" by force by a man. but as I don't enjoy sex with men or fancy them. then it will be a fantasy that stays as just that. (I beg that no-one make crass comments like "I can be the man for you etc etc" )
There are many other fantasies that I have that will always remain in my head as they are not something that I would ever enjoy in reality for many reasons. My fantasies are mine tho' and have no bearing on anyone or anything else until I choose to share them
Also a major point that I would like to get across is that men are also survivors of abuse in every form and I am a bit tired of women having the monopoly on being abused. And the ridiculous comment "can men be ". PM me if you want me to explain just how a man can be and the long term damage it does to them in every area of their lives etc. tedious comments like that really get my back up. insensitive and thoughtless.
I hope that I have been clear,i really respect peoples' honesty and candidness. Thankyou for discussing this subject here and allowing us all to look,read and learn.
splendid x x x x
smile

:)

23 Jun 2006

Quote by splendid33
I have - like others struggled through out reading this thread.... please leave the flaming for other threads as I feel that this is such a sensitive subject flaming (as opposed to sharing thoughts,feeling and opposing views sensibly ) is unwarrented.
When I read the intial post from osemlover- I was outraged when discovering that someone had opened a room to discuss an illegal act.
after reading more and more replys particularly from missy, darkfire, polo lady , tania, and kiss_me. I realised that my outrage was misinformed.
my two pennorth worth :- I agree that fantasies should not be discussed in an open chatroom. Password and invites etc would ensure you all enter the discussion at the same time and are singing from the same song sheet and aren't a being misinformed.
there are several points that have been brought up and I would like to agree and add my opinion and disagree with them.
I don't need to justify my opinion but it is professional as well as personal. I have worked in a theraputic way with paedophiles and rapists as well as survivors of those crimes. A perpetrator of abuse (this covers all the definitions) by the very definition of who they are needs no encouragement from a woman/man in an open chat room or a short skirt or a kiss etc to justify their actions. technically if I were to approach a random person (lets remember that women are perpetrators as well as man) and ask them to me then it would not be . disucussing a fantasy and living it out in a consensual way with another adult is no longer /abuse. I would be taking control in a new situation/fantasy. What we need to remember is that for a fantasy to become reality needs discussion. As soon as it becomes a discussion then it no longer lacks consent.( I am presuming that you have the discussion with the person you are living the fantasy with - see above about invitees)
There are degrees of sexual appetite.... plenty of people don't do anal sex.... it is a boundary for them. I am totally comfortable with it and view it as normal... but when being intimate with a new partner I have to be aware that this may need checking with them as they may not like it- they may also not be as aware of BBV as I am and move from orifice to orifice. These are all boundaries that need to be discussed when having sex with a new person or when wanting to move a boundary with them.
There are a well known lovely couple on here who are about to live one of their fantasies. It isn't my thing for obvious reasons... but they are both in control of what they are doing and they are adults. I know that they will have the best of fun
People do their own thing in their own private space. What it means is that they are opening their minds to consensual experiences between people old enough to have those experiences.
I loved the point about someone deliberately causing me harm...... etc. I have been asked to be physical with a partner and they have requested and enjoyed being bitten(very hard) and scratched etc etc. Now were I do that out of the bedroom I would be in prison as the bedroom was where they agreed for that to happen. Just as she could trust me to hurt her "safely" and within a boundary we had agreed. I trust that she is not going to falsly accuse me of harming her unasked.
I also have fantasies of being "taken" by force by a man. but as I don't enjoy sex with men or fancy them. then it will be a fantasy that stays as just that. (I beg that no-one make crass comments like "I can be the man for you etc etc" )
There are many other fantasies that I have that will always remain in my head as they are not something that I would ever enjoy in reality for many reasons. My fantasies are mine tho' and have no bearing on anyone or anything else until I choose to share them
Also a major point that I would like to get across is that men are also survivors of abuse in every form and I am a bit tired of women having the monopoly on being abused. And the ridiculous comment "can men be ". PM me if you want me to explain just how a man can be and the long term damage it does to them in every area of their lives etc. tedious comments like that really get my back up. insensitive and thoughtless.
I hope that I have been clear,i really respect peoples' honesty and candidness. Thankyou for discussing this subject here and allowing us all to look,read and learn.
splendid x x x x
:)

Wow, one hell of a post there worship

I want to pull bits out of it and respond/expand upon, but I can't, I wouldn't do the post justice if I separated any of it out. Plus I can't expand upon any of what you've already said! :worship:
There is no comparison between ' Fantasy' and ' ' they are a world apart .......
If any member of the scenario is not consenting - then it's , unexcusable , there is no "Fantasy" about it, end of.
If two people are consenting adults, that have not only discussed and agreed up on the role play, but also have set the all important "Safe Word" - then it's fantasy, it is not , it's a controlled scenario that can be got out of at any point. Which is why I struggled, and like everyone else, hated that extreme wording of " Fantasy"
There are many many sites out there that claim they cater for " Fantasy" - but the sick thing is, so many of them are not fantasy sites at all, they're promoting . I feel that threads like this, can do their bit to explain the reality of the Fantasy scenario, by people that have indulged, people that are curious and people that don't find it anyway erotic, the whole spectrum - that the people that do indulge in it are all consenting - and infact, it is not " Fantasy" at all, but a "Loss of Control" one ...... in not only a controlled environment, but also with totally 100% trusted partners.

23 Jun 2006

I was in an MFM threesome and we were having a pre meet drink together and the F said that she would like to be "play " (no comments on if that is an oxyomoron please) or just the two of us to have "rough sex" with her. OOOOOHH we thought and moved on to her place.
The up shot is that we had no idea of how to either have rough sex with or how to play her, we were F'ing useless! In the end she threw herself on the floor pleading for us to be gentler with her. Yes she was taking the "rise" redface

(Thwow him to the gwound woughly Centuwion!)
I guess that anyone who is emotionally stable enough to be able to have multiple sex partners without it affecting their long term relationship is unlikely to stray into anything their partner really does not want, hmmmm if u see what I mean confused

26 Jun 2006

'play ' If a woman wanted me to pretend to her I think I would remember a pressing appointment and run like hell.
On the other hand if a woman was looking for a way explore something she associates with quilt, say a threesome and wants to put herself at arms length. Perhaps she says 'Do what you want to me.' Not using the safe word is not the same as lets do this or that. She does not embarrass herself buy being refused.
I can hear the keys tapping already,, telling me I have missed the point. I probably have.

26 Jun 2006

Quote by
'play ' If a woman wanted me to pretend to her I think I would remember a pressing appointment and run like hell.

I thought we had decided that was the incorrect term confused

Nothing about can be linked to the term play so lets stick to the term 'loss of control' please rolleyes

Quote by
On the other hand if a woman was looking for a way explore something she associates with quilt, say a threesome and wants to put herself at arms length. Perhaps she says 'Do what you want to me.' Not using the safe word is not the same as lets do this or that. She does not embarrass herself buy being refused.

What

Quote by
I can hear the keys tapping already,, telling me I have missed the point. I probably have.

You have missed the point and not read each valid post and taken in peoples thoughts, IMHO :?

26 Jun 2006

Quote by tryusandstop2
The up shot is that we had no idea of how to either have rough sex with or how to play her, we were F'ing useless!

I have been reading this thread as it developed. It is reassuring that everybody agrees that this is not a suitable topic for a chatroom and that it was removed by the Ops so quickly.
However, the comment above raises an interesting question in my mind (and if I may be permitted to use the terms (note not ) and rapee - purely for convenience and to convey my point but wholly in the context of a fantasy).
What makes a good (fantasy) ? I am not sure whether it is something that you can act - maybe I'm wrong? If you can't act it then, to do it, you must enjoy the 'abuse you are inflicting' on the rapee.
Now I guess I might get a strident denial from the rapers - but before you do so, go through the experience in your mind and honestly examine your motivation.

26 Jun 2006

Quote by westerross
What makes a good (fantasy) ? I am not sure whether it is something that you can act - maybe I'm wrong? If you can't act it then, to do it, you must enjoy the 'abuse you are inflicting' on the rapee.

Interesting post Tune but I just wanted to ad my own comment to yours.
If the loss of control is mutual and sexually enjoyable for both people how can it be "inflicting abuse"?
dunno

26 Jun 2006

Quote by westerross

The up shot is that we had no idea of how to either have rough sex with or how to play her, we were F'ing useless!

I have been reading this thread as it developed. It is reassuring that everybody agrees that this is not a suitable topic for a chatroom and that it was removed by the Ops so quickly.
However, the comment above raises an interesting question in my mind (and if I may be permitted to use the terms (note not ) and rapee - purely for convenience and to convey my point but wholly in the context of a fantasy).
What makes a good (fantasy) ? I am not sure whether it is something that you can act - maybe I'm wrong? If you can't act it then, to do it, you must enjoy the 'abuse you are inflicting' on the rapee.
Now I guess I might get a strident denial from the rapers - but before you do so, go through the experience in your mind and honestly examine your motivation.
An interesting look from the other point of view. Method acting. I was once told do not act, be. That being the case..........

26 Jun 2006

Quote by Kiss_Me

What makes a good (fantasy) ? I am not sure whether it is something that you can act - maybe I'm wrong? If you can't act it then, to do it, you must enjoy the 'abuse you are inflicting' on the rapee.

Interesting post Tune but I just wanted to ad my own comment to yours.
If the loss of control is mutual and sexually enjoyable for both people how can it be "inflicting abuse"?
dunno

I'm worried this will come out the wrong way now confused

Surely you are giving pleasure to the person without control if it is what they have decided to take part in and it floats their boat. So the 'abuser' would enjoy giving the pleasure to the other person and not see it as inflicting abuse :dunno:

26 Jun 2006

It didn't come out wrong Dawn it just came out in a way that I couldn't understand! redface

Were you questioning my question or agreeing with a point? lol

IN EDIT:Sorry Dawn :doh: I just read it again and now I understand - sorry! kiss

26 Jun 2006

Quote by Kiss_Me
It didn't come out wrong Dawn it just came out in a way that I couldn't understand!
Were you questioning my question or agreeing with a point?
IN EDIT: Sorry Dawn :doh: I just read it again and now I understand - sorry!

I know what I want to say but its not easy explaining it surprised

ops:
I've not put too much on this thread before but Ian and I have done 'loss of control'. It really does work for me at times, Ian knows that so is willing to take on the roll. It is something that has built up over a long period I guess along with trust and knowing how far to go.
I have no idea if it is because we have been together for a fair while but we don't even need a 'safe' word. Ian can abuse me as much as he likes but he wouldn't really harm me in a way that could inflict real pain or abuse. He doesn't feel like he is abusing me, he is giving me pleasure by taking away my choices and being forceful because at times, I like it :oops:
I don't know if I'm making the situation worse or not now :lol2:

26 Jun 2006

Quote by Kiss_Me

If you can't act it then, to do it, you must enjoy the 'abuse you are inflicting' on the rapee.

Interesting post Tune but I just wanted to ad my own comment to yours.
If the loss of control is mutual and sexually enjoyable for both people how can it be "inflicting abuse"?
dunno

I dont think it is about inflicting abuse - this is where the loss of control fantasy is so different from the horror that is . There are very definate limits - physical abuse included. There's a massive different between hair pulling by consent and a smack in the face, being pinned down, and being held by the throat, between being threatened with your life and being told to be quiet and playing along with it, see?
That's why its sooooo important to only play this 'game' with someone you trust, someone who knows the limits and with whom you have discussed at length beforehand- and that goes for all parties.
Another example; in 'real life' if someone grabs you, instinct tells you to fight, scream your head off, kick him in the bollocks etc, & scratch, go for the face so you leave noticeable marks or draw blood (for DNA evidence) , loss of control play usually means you dont do that, you 'play struggle' but you dont make it realistic enough to need to physically hurt him to get him off you - you submit. That's a key part of the fantasy itself.
I think the ' ' has to enjoy the control, and enjoy what he's doing but again, its a planned scenario between people who know and trust each other - and therefore allows him to let himself go beyond the remit that is usually allowed yet still within the boundaries of what's been agreed.
I really dont see how this can be achieved between strangers though :dunno:

26 Jun 2006

Quote by Dawn_Mids
It didn't come out wrong Dawn it just came out in a way that I couldn't understand!
Were you questioning my question or agreeing with a point?
IN EDIT: Sorry Dawn :doh: I just read it again and now I understand - sorry!

I know what I want to say but its not easy explaining it surprised

ops:
I've not put too much on this thread before but Ian and I have done 'loss of control'. It really does work for me at times, Ian knows that so is willing to take on the roll. It is something that has built up over a long period I guess along with trust and knowing how far to go.
I have no idea if it is because we have been together for a fair while but we don't even need a 'safe' word. Ian can abuse me as much as he likes but he wouldn't really harm me in a way that could inflict real pain or abuse. He doesn't feel like he is abusing me, he is giving me pleasure by taking away my choices and being forceful because at times, I like it :oops:
I don't know if I'm making the situation worse or not now :lol2:
:thumbup:
Thanks Dawn - I totally understood that and I totally agree with you 100% as that's how I view my role playing - I just couldn't seem to express it!
:kiss:

26 Jun 2006

This whole thread worries me - I can't imagine even wanting to lose control. :shock: I trust Chris implicitly but I don't think I could even be submissive for him.

26 Jun 2006

Quote by freckledbird
This whole thread worries me - I can't imagine even wanting to lose control. :shock: I trust Chris implicitly but I don't think I could even be submissive for him.

Each to their own FB! No need to worry is there?
kiss

26 Jun 2006

If the loss of control is mutual and sexually enjoyable for both people how can it be "inflicting abuse"?
dunno

I dont think it is about inflicting abuse - this is where the loss of control fantasy is so different from the horror that is . There are very definate limits - physical abuse included. There's a massive different between hair pulling by consent and a smack in the face, being pinned down, and being held by the throat, between being threatened with your life and being told to be quiet and playing along with it, see?
That's why its sooooo important to only play this 'game' with someone you trust, someone who knows the limits and with whom you have discussed at length beforehand- and that goes for all parties.
Another example; in 'real life' if someone grabs you, instinct tells you to fight, scream your head off, kick him in the bollocks etc, & scratch, go for the face so you leave noticeable marks or draw blood (for DNA evidence) ,]just to butt in here. there are many survivors who don't make a noise or struggle but who are are also non consenting this is why discussion and clear understanding is important. loss of control play usually means you dont do that, you 'play struggle' but you dont make it realistic enough to need to physically hurt him to get him off you - you submit. That's a key part of the fantasy itself.
I think the ' ' has to enjoy the control, and enjoy what he's doing but again, its a planned scenario between people who know and trust each other - and therefore allows him to let himself go beyond the remit that is usually allowed yet still within the boundaries of what's been agreed. I know that when I am have been involved in biting and scratching a previous partner I have enjoyed the pleasure that she has received- enjoying the act of biting in isolation is not my gave great feedback when it was happening and that in itself was the pleasure for me.I am not really a dom person - but enjoying giving pleasure within my own boundaries is what I get off on. and I am versatile. ! lol

I really dont see how this can be achieved between strangers though :dunno:[/quoteI am sure that it can't be achieved between strangers- but could possibly be achieved in a group setting if the "rapee" had someone looking after their interests and stage managing it. again-horses for courses and all that

26 Jun 2006

Off topic - apologies! ---------->

Quote by splendid33
I have been involved in biting and scratching a previous partner I have enjoyed the pleasure that she has received

*Nibbles splendid's ear and neck!* :twisted:
<--------- Back on topic!
smackbottom