Just a quick side track here.
I'm wondering if any of the guys here, gay, Bi , straight or of any variety really- have ever fantasised about being the "taken" one in this scenario?
I doubt it's purely a girl thing- or is it?
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I'm still trying to write my contribution to this thread. Have been for a few days :doh:
(although I'll probably not post it in the end)
But in the meantime . . . . .
wtf is a forced orgasm ??????
Same here, Cant realy add to the matter from whats been said in the few post i read early on. But i was wandering what a forced orgasm is.
i'm trying to word it so its understandable - but I cant!!!!!!!!! I did try here:
bear with me .....
"... usually on here we talk of being relaxed with a partner and bringing each other to orgasm as a mutually pleasurable thing, where the build up is usually slow and steady and the climax of 'events'.....
i've experimented in the past with someone who, quite literally, could 'make' me orgasm at will - even if my head said No not yet, my body gave in first. A (by consent, of course) 'you are going to cum for me wether you like it or not and I'm gonna make you do it ' type role play/ loss of control play.
Usually we can control orgasm (picturing something in your head to put you off, move slightly, 'sqeeze in' , whatever) most people (i think) usually cum if they 'allow' the build up, are ready for it, need the release etc - but its as much controlled by our heads as the physical feeling..... "
bear with me .....
Sex God
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i'm trying to word it so its understandable - but I cant!!!!!!!!! I did try here:
"... usually on here we talk of being relaxed with a partner and bringing each other to orgasm as a mutually pleasurable thing, where the build up is usually slow and steady and the climax of 'events'.....
i've experimented in the past with someone who, quite literally, could 'make' me orgasm at will - even if my head said No not yet, my body gave in first. A (by consent, of course) 'you are going to cum for me wether you like it or not and I'm gonna make you do it ' type role play/ loss of control play.
Usually we can control orgasm (picturing something in your head to put you off, move slightly, 'sqeeze in' , whatever) most people (i think) usually cum if they 'allow' the build up, are ready for it, need the release etc - but its as much controlled by our heads as the physical feeling..... "
bear with me .....
This is the same as the BDSM porn stuff where, usually a woman, is trussed up and subjected to genital stimulation to orgasm i.e. you'll come whether you like it or not.
Unbelieveable on two counts. Firstly anyone with any sense ain't gonna resist coming are they???
Secondly, if you really don't wanna come you ain't going to. Quote by westerross
Unbelieveable on two counts. Firstly anyone with any sense ain't gonna resist coming are they???
Resisting is part of the role play/ situation.
And that's just it Choon, even when you really dont wanna come, he can make you. Usually we talk about orgasm as something that is 'achieved' rather than 'taken'. It s a peak reached through pleasurable stimulation over a period of time, something that builds and ebbs and then flows until ultimatley reaching the climax. But it is possible (and this is where it gets tricky so i'll do my best to try to explain) to 'make' a woman cum through stimulation (usually constant Gspot or clit stim) even if, in her head , she resists it.
I'm not talking about non consentual stuff either - you'd have to consent to this to be safe because its a mind game. A battle of wills so to speak - his 'abilities' vs your 'ability to resist' , but ultimately it's your body that will give in first.
Most of us can stop our impending orgasm - we think of something to put us off, we shift position, we tighten up, we get uncomfortable, it gets too intense, whatever. If you allow someone complete sexual power over you, they can make you cum regardless - but always in the background is the fact that you've consented to it. A similar example would be when you're not really in the mood, not particularly horny but when his fingers slip inside you and find your gspot you will get wet and you will get horny, because your body will give in to it.
(paraphrased from )
Orgasm control is a sexual practice consisting of control of a passive partner's orgasm. Typically, one partner is stimulated to a point just short of orgasm and then reduces or stops the stimulation so that the orgasm doesn't occur, so teases the other person. This is done over and over, taking them right to the brink of orgasm over and over but never quite past the point of no returnThe experience is so intense that eventually the passive partner will be unable to remain still, so for the most intense experience possible the passive partner is securely tied.
That's orgasm control as most people know it - now, for forced orgasm, its the opposite. Stimulation is for the sole purpose of taking your partner to orgasm.
I cant really elaborate on it further, my head hurts
As its not something I've done as part of the swinging scene, nor am I likley to, and realistically am unlikley to find anyone who I would give that power to again, I'm just gonna shut up and leave this thread well alone :wink: 
:rose: :inlove: Ah - thank you for that Darkfire.
Maybe something similar to when (and why) I sometimes like to tie a girls hands up to the top of the bed ?????
If I'm giving lots of prolonged tongue and/or finger attention to her clit, when it starts to get "too much" for her; she can't use her hands to brush me away ??????? And I can carry on until she's thrashing around and shaking and quivering like an epileptic ????
Maybe something similar to when (and why) I sometimes like to tie a girls hands up to the top of the bed ?????
If I'm giving lots of prolonged tongue and/or finger attention to her clit, when it starts to get "too much" for her; she can't use her hands to brush me away ??????? And I can carry on until she's thrashing around and shaking and quivering like an epileptic ????
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Ah - thank you for that Darkfire.
Maybe something similar to when (and why) I sometimes like to tie a girls hands up to the top of the bed ?????
If I'm giving lots of prolonged tongue and/or finger attention to her clit, when it starts to get "too much" for her; she can't use her hands to brush me away ??????? And I can carry on until she's thrashing around and shaking and quivering like an epileptic ????
essentially yes - particularly the 'cant use hands to brush you away' bit. In principal, her hands can be tied - or, she is not 'allowed' to brush you away. She may well be writhing up the bed uncontrollably, but he persists.
Similar control could be that she's not allowed to make any noise. You have to seriously be able to exert self-control to be able to do that. (Makes it vey intense though :twisted: )
now look, I was staying away from this 
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essentially yes - particularly the 'cant use hands to brush you away' bit. In principal, her hands can be tied - or, she is not 'allowed' to brush you away. She may well be writhing up the bed uncontrollably, but he persists.
I've just had visions of DF in this positon and now I need a cold shower.
Scuse me
Orgasminator
Exactly! And that is what I don't like about it. It becomes a quest. 'I'll make you cum, no matter what!' Well, maybe I don't want to cum, maybe my head is too full of life's little worries to be able to concentrate, maybe I don't fancy you at the end of the day... why should I allow this thing to happen to me? My now ex went on a mission when my brain denied him because my body didn't want him and he always succeeded to make my cum. But in this way he robbed me of the joy of simple non-forced orgasms. The whole thing turned too mechanical for my liking and increased my feelings of resentment.
There is also another slant: forcing someone to orgasm may increase his/her feeling of inadequacy as in their head the record is playing this refrain: 'why can't I cum easily? what's wrong with me? why do I take so long to cum?'
Anyway, to answer winchwench, men do fantasise a lot about being helpless but won't admit it unless it is to someone they trust implicitly.
There is also another slant: forcing someone to orgasm may increase his/her feeling of inadequacy as in their head the record is playing this refrain: 'why can't I cum easily? what's wrong with me? why do I take so long to cum?'
Anyway, to answer winchwench, men do fantasise a lot about being helpless but won't admit it unless it is to someone they trust implicitly.
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No No - you're educating me
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I've just had visions of DF in this positon and now I need a cold shower.
Scuse me
I can't comment about Darkfire. (ok - I darenot :scared: )
But with HLB, it really is a sight to behold :twisted:
(I might get a smack for that :oops: )
Thinking about it . . . for me, it's more about the "tease" than the "control" - or maybe it just start out that way
Are we wandering off the main topic of this thread ????
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Are we wandering off the main topic of this thread ????
a tad, but, as another aside, often (imo) the intensity of a 'forced' orgasm is sufficient to also 'make' me gush everywhere
ops: usually that only happens because I allow it to - there's definately something to be said about feeling comfrtable enough with a partner for gushing/ squirting to happen, cos most women (again imo) can control that - we get some paraniod idea that its wee, that the bloke will think we've pissed on them, that he wont understand what's just happened etc and so are not relaxed enough to allow it (there's alot more to it, but that's another thread
) - but in this scenario, he can also 'make' it happen, wether you want it to or not. well i'm gonna add something to this and it may put you all off me and make you see me in a different light but hey, honesty is the best policy so i'll tell you anyway 
I had this porn once and it was about this lady who had a fantasy to be , when i first realised what was going on i was quite disgusted, but i carried on watching anywayops:
She called this agency to get her fantasy carried out etc etc and they had someone come out and do her.
and if i'm being really honest it really turned me on... however i do argue that its not really as she was consenting to it and the thought of getting literally and rapists make my blood boil.
The thing that really done it for me though was he was saying stuff like " suck my cock" and kind of making her do it etc etc
hmmm
after typing all this i'm begining to think i'm a little weird but its a kind of role play i would like to carry out (only with a very trust worthy partner of course).
my ex had this thing were we would be lying in bed and i would start to think that we were gonna have no action that night... until when i was starting to fall asleep we would get up on top of me and show me his hard cock and then just put it into my mouth without saying anything.... it was all kind of sudden but it really turned me on and i'm having a little twing just thinking about it lol
I hoe this post of mine doesnt make you all think any less of me and i hope i havent broken any rules by writing this as i'm sure the guildlines are a bit etchy on this subject.
I'd also just like to repeat that the thought of getting literally or do make by blood boil...
:?
curvy xxx
I had this porn once and it was about this lady who had a fantasy to be , when i first realised what was going on i was quite disgusted, but i carried on watching anyway
ops: She called this agency to get her fantasy carried out etc etc and they had someone come out and do her.
and if i'm being really honest it really turned me on... however i do argue that its not really as she was consenting to it and the thought of getting literally and rapists make my blood boil.
The thing that really done it for me though was he was saying stuff like " suck my cock" and kind of making her do it etc etc
hmmm
after typing all this i'm begining to think i'm a little weird but its a kind of role play i would like to carry out (only with a very trust worthy partner of course).
my ex had this thing were we would be lying in bed and i would start to think that we were gonna have no action that night... until when i was starting to fall asleep we would get up on top of me and show me his hard cock and then just put it into my mouth without saying anything.... it was all kind of sudden but it really turned me on and i'm having a little twing just thinking about it lol
I hoe this post of mine doesnt make you all think any less of me and i hope i havent broken any rules by writing this as i'm sure the guildlines are a bit etchy on this subject.
I'd also just like to repeat that the thought of getting literally or do make by blood boil...
:?
curvy xxx
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hmmmmmmmmm
dont think i've done myself any favours here.......... maybe i am weird :doh: :upset:
curvy, youre not the slightest bit wierd, have you read the whole thread? your fantasys/views/experiences/opinions are nothing to be ashamed of and well done for being open and honest about them. really, dont worry about it
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hmmmmmmmmm
dont think i've done myself any favours here.......... maybe i am weird :doh: :upset:
curvy, youre not the slightest bit wierd, have you read the whole thread? your fantasys/views/experiences/opinions are nothing to be ashamed of and well done for being open and honest about them. really, dont worry about it
cheers hun.. i kind of skim read it as there was 9 pages!!!!! lol and all i seemed to see was the negative aspects....
i shall get my reading glasses on
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Unbelieveable on two counts. Firstly anyone with any sense ain't gonna resist coming are they???
Resisting is part of the role play/ situation.
And that's just it Choon, even when you really dont wanna come, he can make you. Usually we talk about orgasm as something that is 'achieved' rather than 'taken'. It s a peak reached through pleasurable stimulation over a period of time, something that builds and ebbs and then flows until ultimatley reaching the climax. But it is possible (and this is where it gets tricky so i'll do my best to try to explain) to 'make' a woman cum through stimulation (usually constant Gspot or clit stim) even if, in her head , she resists it.
I'm not talking about non consentual stuff either - you'd have to consent to this to be safe because its a mind game. A battle of wills so to speak - his 'abilities' vs your 'ability to resist' , but ultimately it's your body that will give in first.
Most of us can stop our impending orgasm - we think of something to put us off, we shift position, we tighten up, we get uncomfortable, it gets too intense, whatever. If you allow someone complete sexual power over you, they can make you cum regardless - but always in the background is the fact that you've consented to it. A similar example would be when you're not really in the mood, not particularly horny but when his fingers slip inside you and find your gspot you will get wet and you will get horny, because your body will give in to it.
(paraphrased from )
Orgasm control is a sexual practice consisting of control of a passive partner's orgasm. Typically, one partner is stimulated to a point just short of orgasm and then reduces or stops the stimulation so that the orgasm doesn't occur, so teases the other person. This is done over and over, taking them right to the brink of orgasm over and over but never quite past the point of no return
That's orgasm control as most people know it - now, for forced orgasm, its the opposite. Stimulation is for the sole purpose of taking your partner to orgasm.
I cant really elaborate on it further, my head hurts
As its not something I've done as part of the swinging scene, nor am I likley to, and realistically am unlikley to find anyone who I would give that power to again, I'm just gonna shut up and leave this thread well alone :wink:Now unless I'm completely off track here, I read DF's explanation ^^^^^^ of forced orgasm as something which is still 'consentual', albeit that your partner is 'making' you cum. There's still that element of both parties consenting to what's happening and respecting each other throughout.
However Tania's account below, definitely doesn't and imho would be classed as and NOT fantasy.
Can someone unfrazzle my brain please?
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Exactly! And that is what I don't like about it. It becomes a quest. 'I'll make you cum, no matter what!' Well, maybe I don't want to cum, maybe my head is too full of life's little worries to be able to concentrate, maybe I don't fancy you at the end of the day... why should I allow this thing to happen to me? My now ex went on a mission when my brain denied him because my body didn't want him and he always succeeded to make my cum. But in this way he robbed me of the joy of simple non-forced orgasms. The whole thing turned too mechanical for my liking and increased my feelings of resentment.
There is also another slant: forcing someone to orgasm may increase his/her feeling of inadequacy as in their head the record is playing this refrain: 'why can't I cum easily? what's wrong with me? why do I take so long to cum?'
Anyway, to answer winchwench, men do fantasise a lot about being helpless but won't admit it unless it is to someone they trust implicitly.
hmmm although i do fantasise about being 'forced' to do something, it would have to be on a clear understanding that if i dont want to go ahead with it.. it would not go ahead!!
suppose its a bit of a grey area as to where to draw the line and how do you know if someone REALLY doesnt want to come. Thats why, in my opinion, this kind of stuff must be done with someone very trustworthy and known personally to yourself
suppose its a bit of a grey area as to where to draw the line and how do you know if someone REALLY doesnt want to come. Thats why, in my opinion, this kind of stuff must be done with someone very trustworthy and known personally to yourself
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Oddly enough, it was written in thursdays metro (a free london paper), that an actor who played the role of a in Crimewatch, has been jailed for 5 years for actual .
I read that too (in another paper). Are you saying "what a strange coincidence!" or "maybe there's a link?" or shouldn't I ask?
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The word should never be mentioned, full stop.
do you mean on here?
or in general?
but either way, that's a rather 'brush it under the carpet and pretend it doesnt happen' attitude, isnt it?
It may not be everyone's cup of tea luv but as far as adult discussions go, this is by far, one of the best threads I've seen. Throughout the whole thing, the 'R' word has been condemned - yet its still been part of the discussion - and importantly so.
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The word should never be mentioned, full stop.
do you mean on here?
or in general?
but either way, that's a rather 'brush it under the carpet and pretend it doesnt happen' attitude, isnt it?
It may not be everyone's cup of tea luv but as far as adult discussions go, this is by far, one of the best threads I've seen. Throughout the whole thing, the 'R' word has been condemned - yet its still been part of the discussion - and importantly so.
:thumbup:
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Oddly enough, it was written in thursdays metro (a free london paper), that an actor who played the role of a in Crimewatch, has been jailed for 5 years for actual .
I read that too (in another paper). Are you saying "what a strange coincidence!" or "maybe there's a link?" or shouldn't I ask?
My assumption is that the actor began to believe in his own 'character' and lured various people into playing along with the role. This then led onto a sexual encounter leading to the . So was it consent gone wrong, a full on attack, or a mixed combination of the two?
Sexlightened
I was reading somthing, believe in a news paper( it was quite bit ago) that fantasy is quite normal in woman. Remember its a Fantasy and not real. My wife was says she somtimes uses the fantasy when playing with her self.
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Oddly enough, it was written in thursdays metro (a free london paper), that an actor who played the role of a in Crimewatch, has been jailed for 5 years for actual .
I read that too (in another paper). Are you saying "what a strange coincidence!" or "maybe there's a link?" or shouldn't I ask?
My assumption is that the actor began to believe in his own 'character' and lured various people into playing along with the role. This then led onto a sexual encounter leading to the . So was it consent gone wrong, a full on attack, or a mixed combination of the two?
:shock:
So people who act out being a in a film or on Crimewatch may then go on to do it in real life? I think the causes of somebody becoming a run a little deeper and it doesn't happen overnight.
So if a gay man is in a film (or vice versa) where he is pretending to be straight.. he will become straight?
