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How is this sly old fox still in power? Hopefully not for much longer. Also how are those poor people coping with inflation running at 1000%?
I wonder what things would be worth over here if next year we had that kind of inflation?
We have the Chinese at the moment who seem to be the centre of attention over Tibet, but why is nobody going to the aid of Zimbabwe? Or am I being sceptical by saying there is no oil there?
I think the West has a duty to help those people and to get rid of Mugabe. He wont even go even though he was trounced in the elections. He is a tyrant and has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people.
He should go the same way as Saddam.....swing. lol
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How is this sly old fox still in power? Hopefully not for much longer. Also how are those poor people coping with inflation running at 1000%?
I wonder what things would be worth over here if next year we had that kind of inflation?
We have the Chinese at the moment who seem to be the centre of attention over Tibet, but why is nobody going to the aid of Zimbabwe? Or am I being sceptical by saying there is no oil there?
I think the West has a duty to help those people and to get rid of Mugabe. He wont even go even though he was trounced in the elections. He is a tyrant and has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people.
He should go the same way as Saddam.....swing. lol

"sly old fox??"...more like a "complete fucking wanker!"
People are opposed to what is going on in Zimbabwe...but there not the ones holding the Olympics later this year,and where that torch goes so will the protesters!
as for oil yeah you might have a point but Tibet doesn't have any oil either!
And why is it the west's duty to help them and get rid of him...haven't we got enough on our plate with Iraq and Afghan...i for one don't want to see our boys finishing one fight and going to onto another one!
Its a difficult one this, i have worked with a lot of people from zimbabwe and to be honest there opinion is divided about him and his methods.
Apparently the opposition parties are no better and that we only hear what our media wants us to hear.
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Its a difficult one this, i have worked with a lot of people from zimbabwe and to be honest there opinion is divided about him and his methods.
Apparently the opposition parties are no better and that we only hear what our media wants us to hear.

Really? :dry:
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Its a difficult one this, i have worked with a lot of people from zimbabwe and to be honest there opinion is divided about him and his methods.
Apparently the opposition parties are no better and that we only hear what our media wants us to hear.

Really? :dry:
I can only say what the folk ive worked with who come from Zimbabwe have told me.
Some think he is a good leader and that his main opponent would be even worse for the country.
On the other hand i have also had a colleague who was imprisoned by his regime and had horrific treatment, all for being a union member.
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How is this sly old fox still in power? Hopefully not for much longer. Also how are those poor people coping with inflation running at 1000%?
I wonder what things would be worth over here if next year we had that kind of inflation?
We have the Chinese at the moment who seem to be the centre of attention over Tibet, but why is nobody going to the aid of Zimbabwe? Or am I being sceptical by saying there is no oil there?
I think the West has a duty to help those people and to get rid of Mugabe. He wont even go even though he was trounced in the elections. He is a tyrant and has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people.
He should go the same way as Saddam.....swing. lol

I agree that there should be action of some sort to oust this man! At the moment Thabo Mbeki says let it take its course with the elections, should he be listened to. His quiet diplomacy seems to be somewhat admired by many.
Beijing seems also to be heavily financially involved with Mugabe, so is that a consideration? Of course it is. Maybe the answer to Zimbabwe lies with its own people. My opinion is that it is, we can support them in this and just hope that the damage to the people of Zimbabwe is as little as possible. This should not be limitless time wise the UN should maybe have some sort of timeline mandate maybe before upping the stakes.
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Here's a first... I'm stuck for words! blink
I don't think that Britain should get involved. The shared history that we have with this country is not the best. We invade, take it over, give independance, stand back in a civil war, etc
Whatever our Government says, they have the right to say bugger orf
Dave_Notts
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How is this sly old fox still in power? Hopefully not for much longer. Also how are those poor people coping with inflation running at 1000%?
I wonder what things would be worth over here if next year we had that kind of inflation?
We have the Chinese at the moment who seem to be the centre of attention over Tibet, but why is nobody going to the aid of Zimbabwe? Or am I being sceptical by saying there is no oil there?
I think the West has a duty to help those people and to get rid of Mugabe. He wont even go even though he was trounced in the elections. He is a tyrant and has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people.
He should go the same way as Saddam.....swing. lol

"sly old fox??"...more like a "complete fucking wanker!"People are opposed to what is going on in Zimbabwe...but there not the ones holding the Olympics later this year,and where that torch goes so will the protesters!
as for oil yeah you might have a point but Tibet doesn't have any oil either!
And why is it the west's duty to help them and get rid of him...haven't we got enough on our plate with Iraq and Afghan...i for one don't want to see our boys finishing one fight and going to onto another one!
My thoughts to start with, but was trying to be diplomatic for once! :shock: So not to sound soft...yes " A fucking wanker "
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Come on GNV.....say what you think. lol :lol:
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Come on GNV.....say what you think. lol :lol:
I've already been accused of being a serial racist :shock: :shock: so I'm going to keep my powder dry on this one except to say, as I have before many times, the troubles in Iraq would not be there now if Saddam was still in power keeping all the different factions at bay in a deeply troubled Middle East and British troops would not be in Afghanistan fighting the local militia if we had just bought the fooking crop at a fraction of the cost of military action (we need it here anyway but that would have offended friends of TB and now Commissar Gordy who are making trillions out of fleecing the NHS, cashing in on someone else's misery).
The west, and America in particular, has no place telling the rest of the world how to behave when their own record on human rights is so dire.
There, you asked me for it kents! Always happy to oblige wink
Zimbabwe once exported food, now it's people are starving. While Zimbabwe has had a checkered past I think it may be time for a change.
As for intervening. America have no interest, so the little bulldog will not stray that way. A pity, I think the Commonwealth have a duty to Zimbabwe and we are doing nothing about it. Shame on us! Shame for invading Iraq, shame for doing nothing.
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Come on GNV.....say what you think. lol :lol:
I've already been accused of being a serial racist :shock: :shock: so I'm going to keep my powder dry on this one except to say, as I have before many times, the troubles in Iraq would not be there now if Saddam was still in power keeping all the different factions at bay in a deeply troubled Middle East and British troops would not be in Afghanistan fighting the local militia if we had just bought the fooking crop at a fraction of the cost of military action (we need it here anyway but that would have offended friends of TB and now Commissar Gordy who are making trillions out of fleecing the NHS, cashing in on someone else's misery).
The west, and America in particular, has no place telling the rest of the world how to behave when their own record on human rights is so dire.
There, you asked me for it kents! Always happy to oblige wink
Thanks
A serial racist? When you have strong views on things people are too quick to chuck that old card about!
But away from that......Good points made. Sometimes America want to police the world but all they have done is to make themselves targets throughout the world. How can they dictate to people like Iran about having nuclear power, when they have more than enough weapons to blow the whole world up? :shock: But the problems in Zimbabwe could be solved with the minimal of military fuss. I watch that country going down the pan and has been for years, and not a single person or Government has done jack shit about it. A scandal, and two faced hypocricy from the West.
BTW....Hows France?
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But away from that......Good points made. Sometimes America want to police the world but all they have done is to make themselves targets throughout the world. How can they dictate to people like Iran about having nuclear power, when they have more than enough weapons to blow the whole world up? icon_ But the problems in Zimbabwe could be solved with the minimal of military fuss. I watch that country going down the pan and has been for years, and not a single person or Government has done jack shit about it. A scandal, and two faced hypocricy from the West.

It makes you wonder, doesn't it. There are many British subjects in Zimbabwe who have been treated terribly by the regime - their farmsteads stolen off them at gunpoint then and murdered but all the time this was happening there was nothing from HMG but platitudes while at the same time continuing self interests in the rush for oil and to further destabilise the middle east. TB a middle east envoy? don't make me laugh! He still thinks that the middle east is Norwich :shock:
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BTW....Hows France?

Great ta!
whoever take over from mugabe will in time just be as corrupt.
Let them just carry on kicking the shit out of each other.
We got enough problems in our country to sort out before we think about mugabe.
Fuck em.A-bomb the bloody lot.
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whoever take over from mugabe will in time just be as corrupt.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Let them just carry on kicking the shit out of each other.

The only problem is, they are not just kicking the shit out of each other - it's who they are kicking the shit out of that matters.
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We got enough problems in our country to sort out before we think about mugabe.

Just don't go on holiday then to anywhere outside of Britain where your passport will more likely be treated like it's a length of bog roll.
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Fuck em.A-bomb the bloody lot.

Trouble is, the weather is somewhat indiscriminate about where it blows the radioactive cloud after so not a very sensible solution to be honest rolleyes
I don't think we owe the world an apology for the British Empire of the past, that was the past. In fact why can we not look at what we gave to the world rather than alway apologise for what was, granted unpleasant at the time for some, I don't know I wasn't there, We cannot go back and change it.
The march of civilisation over the last thousand years has Britain stamped all over it just as the previous thousand or two had Rome and previous Egypt Greece etc etc. Can we not think of how lucky we are as a nation now and possibly how lucky the world is for us being here. Whose to know or say if it hadn't of been for Britain, it would of been better? No one thats who.
Is it not possible to credit the fact that we have had an Empire that has been disbanded by consent not all out war. I for one am proud of what my forebears did and also will not be held to count for the sins of my fathers.
As for the States. If they stood back and did nothing who knows what would happen again, no one. I think that maybe its good to be allied and on good terms with the most powerful nation on Earth and yes as they are the most powerful nation I do think they have a duty as a world police force. I don't think for a moment that they have any delusions of grandeur or notions of empire building I generally think they try to do whats best for their nation and the world they believe in.
The future of the world is blurred and shrouded in mist we can not in the future just let countries and peoples 'fight' it out and keep ourselves to ourselves. We have gone past that. Its time that we looked after our brothers and sisters interests wherever they lie.
There is progress. Its better now than it was before and it will get better though the road will be painful and bloody no doubt but to become a world community we all have to become involved at some point and that might mean getting involved in things that outwardly seem as though we have no business in them
Though dropping an 'A'-bomb may seem, at times, a way to end a problem we all know it isn't lol
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Fuck em.A-bomb the bloody lot.

thankfully your not in charge! rolleyes
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whoever take over from mugabe will in time just be as corrupt.
Let them just carry on kicking the shit out of each other.
We got enough problems in our country to sort out before we think about mugabe.
Fuck em.A-bomb the bloody lot.

Whilst i agree that the opposition party will be just as corrupt and look at self interest only, from your post im assuming you're not a liberal rolleyes
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As for the States. .... I think that maybe its good to be allied and on good terms with the most powerful nation on Earth and yes as they are the most powerful nation I do think they have a duty as a world police force. I don't think for a moment that they have any delusions of grandeur or notions of empire building I generally think they try to do whats best for their nation and the world they believe in.

Well said Lost but with might comes responsibility and the US seem to have forgotten that of late.
It might seem strange but in my mind though obviously not a good situation our troops being so far from home in the middle east, but the place is in a way quiet. By tis I mean there is no immediate threat of of a massive upsurge in violent conflict in the middle east. Granted not a solution in the long term but maybe rather than exacerbating any more violent inter middle east conflicts it may well be preventing them.
It is also worth noting that whatever anyone thinks about the fact that we, the west, i suppose, are there and the act of it being oil. Well unfortunately oil is the international super currency without it eveyones f*cked so too look after our interests we may have to deal with the devil.
Going back to Zimbabwe I see that the local countries are looking at getting together to discuss the election problem and Mugabe. Well at least then the west will no doubt have sway with some of those governments.
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whoever take over from mugabe will in time just be as corrupt.
Let them just carry on kicking the shit out of each other.
We got enough problems in our country to sort out before we think about mugabe.
Fuck em.A-bomb the bloody lot.

Whilst i agree that the opposition party will be just as corrupt and look at self interest only, from your post im assuming you're not a liberal rolleyes
That comment made me chuckle!! lol :lol:
We dont know if any new regime will be corrupt but....it has to be better than what they have at the moment surely?
Yes we do have our own problems and I never thought going into Iraq was a good move but the people of Zimbabwe deserve better than the bollocks they have endured over the last 20 years or so. I read that Mugabe is responsible for a million deaths? Puts Saddams into perspective eh?
We should oust the current corrupt regime and help to stabalise this once great country. I dont really give a toss about Iraq or Afganistan but I DO care about the plight of the people of Zimbabwe, as they truly have nothing, and God only knows what suffering has been endured along the way.
send in the Khmer Rouge. mad
Fuck em.A-bomb the bloody lot.
shame on you,bomb the lot just cos their leader is corrupt
After syphillising the world building the British Empire in the first place, Britain, 'generally speaking' did withdraw from power and influence in a relatively ordered and civilised fashion from most of the world.
The great exception to this was the rush to abandon Rhodesia because of the 'race' and 'apartheid' overtones. The UK could, and should, have militarily ensured that the state of hand over to any majority government in Rhodesia ensured future democratic rights for the people. Unfortunately in our rush to have our ties with Rhodesia visibly cut so as to avoid racist condemnation we simply stood back and watched whilst an emotive country voted for the first time ever for the man who waved the nationalist Zimbabwe flag hardest.
Our abandonment of the people of the former Rhodesia is shameful and spinesless and I am not talking about white Rhodesians I am talking about the vast majority of ordinary Africans who inhabit one of the most beautiful and naturally wealthy countries on that continent.
Those in the know predicted the path of the Mugabe regime thirty years ago and I remember being villified for days after a letter I wrote was printed in a national newspaper. I wrote about Dictatorship, genocide, political killings, anti white racism and forced ejection from the country yet I was branded xenophobic and anti democratic. The reality has been all these things and more and we should be ashamed that this country has allowed this monster to murder, , steal and terrorise ALL of his own people with complete immunity. The history books will stand Robert Mugabe and Idi Amin side by side as the most evil of all African tyrants and we stood by and let him get away with it.
Shame on us.
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After syphillising the world building the British Empire in the first place, Britain, 'generally speaking' did withdraw from power and influence in a relatively ordered and civilised fashion from most of the world.
The great exception to this was the rush to abandon Rhodesia because of the 'race' and 'apartheid' overtones. The UK could, and should, have militarily ensured that the state of hand over to any majority government in Rhodesia ensured future democratic rights for the people. Unfortunately in our rush to have our ties with Rhodesia visibly cut so as to avoid racist condemnation we simply stood back and watched whilst an emotive country voted for the first time ever for the man who waved the nationalist Zimbabwe flag hardest.
Our abandonment of the people of the former Rhodesia is shameful and spinesless and I am not talking about white Rhodesians I am talking about the vast majority of ordinary Africans who inhabit one of the most beautiful and naturally wealthy countries on that continent.
Those in the know predicted the path of the Mugabe regime thirty years ago and I remember being villified for days after a letter I wrote was printed in a national newspaper. I wrote about Dictatorship, genocide, political killings, anti white racism and forced ejection from the country yet I was branded xenophobic and anti democratic. The reality has been all these things and more and we should be ashamed that this country has allowed this monster to murder, , steal and terrorise ALL of his own people with complete immunity. The history books will stand Robert Mugabe and Idi Amin side by side as the most evil of all African tyrants and we stood by and let him get away with it.
Shame on us.
Very succinctly put and I agree with every word of it.
This thread has caused me to remember Ian Smith I wish I had taken more notice of the goings on in Rhodesia at the time so I could be more qualified to write about it now, but I do recall the declaration of independence and admiring the guts of the man to take on the establishment. It's a great pity that his work was wasted in the end by such a destructive force.
I'm going to get flamed for this, but the film Planet of the Apes comes to mind when I think of Mugabe.
but you know how I like to be controversial
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I'm going to get flamed for this, but the film Planet of the Apes comes to mind when I think of Mugabe.
but you know how I like to be controversial

Not really appropriate - it is your call - but you might want to revisit this post and comment before it effectively hijacks the thread and becomes the focus of it.
I see similarities:

There are good and bad throughout the story line but the important bit in the Plot is this:
Soon after his escape, in the final, iconic scene, Taylor discovers a damaged Statue of Liberty half-buried in the beach. He realizes that he has been on Earth all along, and that humanity must have destroyed its own civilization with war, thereby paving the way for the Planet of the Apes.

Interesting how this film is dated 1968, about 10 years before the time you must have written your dissertation.
in edit for clarity: Any likeness between Robert Mugabe and characters featured in the film Planet of the Apes is unintentional.
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After syphillising the world building the British Empire in the first place, Britain, 'generally speaking' did withdraw from power and influence in a relatively ordered and civilised fashion from most of the world.
The great exception to this was the rush to abandon Rhodesia because of the 'race' and 'apartheid' overtones. The UK could, and should, have militarily ensured that the state of hand over to any majority government in Rhodesia ensured future democratic rights for the people. Unfortunately in our rush to have our ties with Rhodesia visibly cut so as to avoid racist condemnation we simply stood back and watched whilst an emotive country voted for the first time ever for the man who waved the nationalist Zimbabwe flag hardest.
Our abandonment of the people of the former Rhodesia is shameful and spinesless and I am not talking about white Rhodesians I am talking about the vast majority of ordinary Africans who inhabit one of the most beautiful and naturally wealthy countries on that continent.
Those in the know predicted the path of the Mugabe regime thirty years ago and I remember being villified for days after a letter I wrote was printed in a national newspaper. I wrote about Dictatorship, genocide, political killings, anti white racism and forced ejection from the country yet I was branded xenophobic and anti democratic. The reality has been all these things and more and we should be ashamed that this country has allowed this monster to murder, , steal and terrorise ALL of his own people with complete immunity. The history books will stand Robert Mugabe and Idi Amin side by side as the most evil of all African tyrants and we stood by and let him get away with it.
Shame on us.

Well said!