Some sick idiot somehwhere is posting videos of the ken bigley beheading on the internet. i was unlucky enought to see the video of the gezzer before ken bigley. dont watch it, its sick and i was emotionally scarred after seeing it. there must be laws against postion that kinda stuff
Quote by yesplease Some sick idiot somehwhere is posting videos of the ken bigley beheading on the internet. i was unlucky enought to see the video of the gezzer before ken bigley. dont watch it, its sick and i was emotionally scarred after seeing it. there must be laws against postion that kinda stuff
Sad. As with many other things in life, there is an upside & a DOWN side to the Internet being such a free environment in which to express one's self. :(
It's yer actual snuff movie then! Very sick if you ask me and I don't want to see it! There's a large amount of sick material on the net and there's dosen't seem to be much anyone can do about it. You usually only find it if you go looking for it but occasionally something pops up on a that you'd wish you'd rather not have seen or makes one very angry. Of course people are always curious about the macabre and will watch such things. But beware if you do...you have been warned! LC
There is actually a very serious point here, regarding the use of the Internet by terrorist organisations, and I think it shows that the net is a much more powerful medium than any that we've had access to before. I'm not sure if terrorists et al are aware of it, or they're just using it though. If you watch something on television, you as the viewer don't control it, the tv company does. All that you can do is to choose not to watch something. Another point which is in many ways minor, but I think is also pertinant is that the tv is across the room from you. Consequently there is a distance between the viewer and what they're looking at. It's also contained to a greater extent because the television is in a corner of the room, it's easy to look away from and we've developed the ability to blank it out and talk to friends over it, or get up and leave it to go and make tea. With the net, it's rather different, and the viewer has much more control. You usually search for the image or video, and you directly control the speed, pause, zoom functions and so on. You can also watch it over again if you wish to. Consequently, the image/video is much more 'real' than something on television, and as a result it has a greater power to shock or upset. Terrorists are therefore able to bring things right into your own home to a much greater extent than they can do with footage released to television companies. I've not seen either video, nor do I wish to, but I'm not in the slightest bit surprised that they are distressing.
I'm not saying that I want to see that movie (I have seen one of the earlier ones and that was quite enough thankyou), but I think it is a good thing that this material is available on the net. It can be terribly hard to find any sort of truth that has not been corrupted by a media element to some extent. I find think the internet is a virtual (no pun intended) god send, in that if you WANT to find something, you can. It is also virtually censor free and is primarily public domain. I do understand that sometimes something can pop-up and show you something you don't want to see, but isn't that the case with TV or even a newspaper? While I agree there is no comparison, some very prudish people think that swinging is so horribly wrong, it should also be stopped or not be on the internet for 'anyone to stumble across', but we know different. I think as adult human beings, with a fair amount of common sense about us, we should be able to see whatever we choose to see.
Same here I aint seen the one of Mr Bigleys murder but have seen the other two and it worries me that the internet is another way to condition our youngsters and the sicker eliment on this planet into thinking that human life is worthless all people on this site who share yourselves with others will agree that being human is beutifull and shouldn't be portrayed as it is at the moment It worries me even more that whilst we arrange to meet people on this site for fun this sort of sick matterial may be being used by people who would wish to lure unsuspecting people from this site into a dangerous situation. Makes me worry and i'm a 2nd Dan kickboxer and karate tutor.
Hmmm, strange.. just a thought here but How did people 'find' the video of Ken Bigleys execution? Was it emailed to them? If so then presumably the person who emailed it to you is known to you and you should extricate the sad fucker from your life pronto. Or, did you see it on a website and click on the link to start the file playing. Now, if the link said 'fluffy cats playing in the yard' you may be excused, but (and I'm only guessing here), the chances are that whatever site is holding the file is probably telling people what it is 'cos the whole reason the are hosting the video is to get people to their site. So, how is it that grown up adult people can innocently see an image like that of Ken Bigley's execution? No, I can't think how either... I'm a fervent believer in there being NO censorship of the Internet, and i'm assuming that most of the people on this site would totally agree with that sentiment. What often makes my blood boil is when people go out of their way to find stuff like Bigley's execution then complain about it! You won't find files like that on the BBC's website, or on Yahoo or MSN... you'd have to go looking for them... and then if you found them you'd HAVE to click on the links... If you want to see stuff like this then that's your issue, but don't complain about it... otherwise what will happen is you'll add fuel to the debate to censor the 'net and then it won't be long before this and other 'alternative' sites will slowly, one by one, be closed down. And before i'm criticised for endorsing the posting of the murder i'm not, not at all, my point is that we all know that these things are out there, but fortunately they are well outside the standard sphere of Internet usage. I apologise if anyone feels i've had a dig at them directly... that's certainly not my intention, and If people wish to debate what's been said i'd be more than happy to listen to their comments.
I actually saw the video of nick berg out of pure morbid curiosity... normally seeing death/murder doesn't particularly upset me, but this one did.. it affected me in a way I really wasn't expecting and am still quite traumatised and get that horrible feeling every time I think about it. I got sent a link to the Ken Bigley video and just deleted it straight away, I can well imagine what it will be like after seeing the methods used on the other one, and after praying and hoping for him to get home safely, don't want to see how it finally ended.
Quote by DaHamsta Hmmm, strange.. just a thought here but How did people 'find' the video of Ken Bigleys execution? Was it emailed to them? If so then presumably the person who emailed it to you is known to you and you should extricate the sad fucker from your life pronto. Or, did you see it on a website and click on the link to start the file playing. Now, if the link said 'fluffy cats playing in the yard' you may be excused, but (and I'm only guessing here), the chances are that whatever site is holding the file is probably telling people what it is 'cos the whole reason the are hosting the video is to get people to their site. So, how is it that grown up adult people can innocently see an image like that of Ken Bigley's execution? No, I can't think how either... I'm a fervent believer in there being NO censorship of the Internet, and i'm assuming that most of the people on this site would totally agree with that sentiment. What often makes my blood boil is when people go out of their way to find stuff like Bigley's execution then complain about it! You won't find files like that on the BBC's website, or on Yahoo or MSN... you'd have to go looking for them... and then if you found them you'd HAVE to click on the links... If you want to see stuff like this then that's your issue, but don't complain about it... otherwise what will happen is you'll add fuel to the debate to censor the 'net and then it won't be long before this and other 'alternative' sites will slowly, one by one, be closed down. And before i'm criticised for endorsing the posting of the murder i'm not, not at all, my point is that we all know that these things are out there, but fortunately they are well outside the standard sphere of Internet usage. I apologise if anyone feels i've had a dig at them directly... that's certainly not my intention, and If people wish to debate what's been said i'd be more than happy to listen to their comments.
What a 5 star reply. I totally agree. People should be allowed to see and find this sort of thing, however sick it is. People should not complain when they click on a 'Ken Bigley gets decapitated video' link and get exactly what was described
I believe Mr Bigley's killers had no right to film his murder, therefore we have no right to watch it. I think that we should avoid watching these execution videos out of respect for the families. LC
Well, technically they had no right to murder him either... But aside from splitting hairs, my point is you watch or you don't watch... that's your decision, but if you do watch then don't complain if your 'scarred for life'. Here's a personal case... A few years ago in a foreign country a body was found in a field. A group of locals went to retrieve the body and as one of the locals picked up the corpse a booby trap blew up the person recovering the body and severly injured several of the onlookers. Now... I can sympathise with the family of the man recovering the body (even though he was told to wait for a team to clear the area), I have little sympathy for the 'ambulance chasers' who were all stood round watching the spectacle. They were there to satisfy their own dark curiosity and not to assist. So sad as it is that they lost limbs etc. they wouldn't have been hurt if they hadn't been there in the first place. I realise that the macabre is a real draw for some people, however if you become affected by what you have sought out then don't complain.
I was chatting to a group of people today and one particularly young and ignorant little fucker was bragging how he had seen the Ken Bigley footage and said it was 'mint', like it was some sort of comedy film. WTF??? Everyone else slated him for it, it is just sickening that any of this is allowed to happen and I fear for the woman who has now been kidnapped, I fear that her death is also inevitable now. Personally I do not want to see any sort of torture or murder of anyone so I will not look for it or click on any links which say that they are connected with this kind of thing. I do agree that censorship shouldn't be allowed, we need to know the truth about what is going on so that we can put pressure on our govts to change things. But information and blatant showcasing of atrocities are different things altogether.
if people didnt watch or comment, these items would be of no news value, so there would be no point in showing them, i wish the main news programs would take note of this and stop bringing out trevor mcdonald whenever something bad happens so he can make a so called special report out of it
people will always go look at something morbid you see it every day at the site of a road accident cars slowing to catch a glimpse of some poor sod trapped in a car personally i dont wanna see it we all know how they kill prisoners and then try shame the deceased by exporting pictures .same was done with the american soilders their bodies posed just makes you realise we shouldnt treat these killers with any mercy they dont deserve any
We have all become so used to modern media and the way is sanitises acts of war and barbarism. It does us good every now and again to remind ourselves exactly what has happened - leave the why behind for a while. Violent and sudden death isn't like a movie - it's fucking horrible! It's messy, smelly and never graceful. I've no particular wish to see this footage and won't be going to look for it. But we should seriously consider making its viewing compulsory for anyone who thinks they want to run this planet - they just might take a chill pill before they act next time. Heather
Thank heaven for swinging been wanting to talk about this for a few weeks now but just couldn’t raise it with any of my friends. Let me tell you a story……I’m a big BBC website fan, I keep up with the F1GP news, the science and technology news and my local news. I find it a good portal to the ‘net and I came across an article about why people seek out and watch these video clips. In a nutshell it said that it’s not a sick thing to do but a natural healthy thing as it helps us to understand the world and all the shite that happens in it. Now I paraphrase and I may not necessarily agree but it convinced me that it’s ok to take a look……So I did. I easily found the Ken Bigley murder and from that found many links to sites offering access to all kinds of gruesome stuff…..It made me feel sick, I was shocked and stunned that any human being could do these things to another but I had to keep looking. I didn’t sleep for a few days. Whenever I closed my eyes I could still see the images and feel the horror. My partner was worried, she thought I was ill…I couldn’t tell her how I felt, I couldn’t tell her that I wasn’t ill…..I was sick. I couldn’t put her though what I’d done. I’d chosen to watch real people being murdered, how sick is that. I’ve learned my lesson…….. If you don’t want to find it then don’t look. My deepest sympathies go to the families of all the innocent victims. Please don’t hate me A very sad Biker…….
Quote by Bikerguy82 My deepest sympathies go to the families of all the innocent victims.
Including all the soldiers families of all sides and all the civilians who have lost their lives in this conflict, past conflicts and future conflicts. Dave_Notts
Quote by Bikerguy82 Please don’t hate me A very sad Biker…….
Hey Biker, No one is going to hate you... This isn't the sort of place where people judge other people. I'm sorry to hear that you've seen this kind of gruesome stuff and it's had such an intense effect on you... Maybe your case is worth discussing as you have genuinely had an adverse reaction to the video... This probably proves that mentally you are a normal, healthy individual. I'm sure that over time the images will fade away and you'll become less affected by them, but perhaps this could be a timely warning to all those with a heightened sense of morbid curiosity... don't go there! Biker.... As someone wiser than me once said... If you can't be a good example, be a terrible warning.
Its a sad fact of life that these kind of clips will be on the net and that some folk will get a kick out of watching them.. Perhaps it does sensationalise the mindless idiots who carry out these executions but it also serves to show the civilised world just how far out of sync these idiots are. I hope that the lady who has just been kidnapped does not suffer the same fate as the late Mr Bigley but it seems with the current standing on negotiating with terrorists that it will end the same way.. It kind of brings you around to the old chestnut.....Is there really a God?? If so why does he/she let this kind of shit happen ??
Ooooh, the 'Why does God let this happen' debate... Well, one word... Self-Determination. Er, OK two words then... Allegedly when God created Man he gave him a skill that he gave to no other creature on Earth, and that was the power to Reason. So, apparently God let's us decide or reason for ourselves what is right and wrong... and then we'll all get judged when the party ends on Judgement Day... I've read the Bible (had to at school), and I suspect most of us on here are going to Hell... Great! I look forward to finally meeting all you dirty buggers! If someone brings some beer then i'll bring the music... The Carpenters ok with everyone?
I just want to say I agree with most of the sentiments here. War is santised for our viewing 'pleasure' on TV. Maybe if the worst barbaric behaviour that happens during war was shown on the television less people in this country and others, would be willing to tolerate it(war) as a solution when the politicians fail to develop more imaginative strategies. As for anyone watching the video (which I have yet to do) and then complainging about it? WTF???? Don't do it. Keep those itchy fingers away from the download button and let those who wish to be exposed to the full horror of war, for whatever reason, do so without restriction.
Quote by ScotsCpl I just want to say I agree with most of the sentiments here. War is santised for our viewing 'pleasure' on TV. Maybe if the worst barbaric behaviour that happens during war was shown on the television less people in this country and others, would be willing to tolerate it(war) as a solution when the politicians fail to develop more imaginative strategies. As for anyone watching the video (which I have yet to do) and then complainging about it? WTF???? Don't do it. Keep those itchy fingers away from the download button and let those who wish to be exposed to the full horror of war, for whatever reason, do so without restriction.
If you are already convinced of the horror of war then why do you have to watch this video of an ignominous death of an innocent man by protracted means. Are you mad? Are you not already sickened? If not you soon will be! Whether the media sanitises images of war or not we don't have to see gory details to know that war is unpleasant. As for, "those who wish to be exposed to the full horror of war, for whatever reason, do so without restriction". To those who truly wish to experience this then may I suggest they join the Army instead of viewing remote attocities at home from the comfort of their chairs. LC
Quote by Lovecommando As for, "those who wish to be exposed to the full horror of war, for whatever reason, do so without restriction". To those who truly wish to experience this then may I suggest they join the Army instead of viewing remote attocities at home from the comfort of their chairs. LC
Bugger that! I didn't join the army to be exposed to war and other atrocities... I liked the uniform, plus they give you free food and a place to sleep! OK, the food comes in silver bags and tastes like catfood, and you have to dig your own bed... but the uniform has had it's advantages I think Vix and Reese will back me up on that one (our mutual friend?!)
Further up someone mentioned 'morbid curiosity', thats human nature, its in our makeup to explore, to discover, to experience- awful things have always happened, its only in recent years that the advent of press de-restrictions, live tv links and more recently- the internet, has allowed everyone that wants to, explore the seedier sides of human nature- its a shame in many ways, but I believe that censorship is wrong, so thats not an option. I think its a dark side we have to live with, for everyone that wants to commit these atrocities, there will be people that will be 'intrigued' by it and need to know more. Like Dahamsta I was in the forces, a good few years ago, and Im afraid Ive seen the frailty and horror of 'war' for real- I still have flashbacks and nightmares after 22 years- maybe the young 'un that thought it was 'mint' ought to try it for real---
Quote by DaHamsta As for, "those who wish to be exposed to the full horror of war, for whatever reason, do so without restriction". To those who truly wish to experience this then may I suggest they join the Army instead of viewing remote attocities at home from the comfort of their chairs. LC
Bugger that! I didn't join the army to be exposed to war and other atrocities... I liked the uniform, plus they give you free food and a place to sleep! OK, the food comes in silver bags and tastes like catfood, and you have to dig your own bed... but the uniform has had it's advantages I think Vix and Reese will back me up on that one (our mutual friend?!) Go on admit it Hamsta! You're in the TA aren't you! You don't fool me! Army my feckin arse! You're too intelligent to be cannon fodder! Bet you work in advertising! That uniform in your ad is just there because you know the birds love it! Right! That's it, I'm off to get me some combat gear...... LC :wink:
As for, "those who wish to be exposed to the full horror of war, for whatever reason, do so without restriction". To those who truly wish to experience this then may I suggest they join the Army instead of viewing remote attocities at home from the comfort of their chairs.
Its easy isn' it to label the atrocities of war as 'remote'. By doing so we allow ourselves to take a step back and say it has nothing to do with us. And of course its easy for me to lay back in my armchair and view war from afar and pontificate about it.
If you are already convinced of the horror of war then why do you have to watch this video of an ignominous death of an innocent man by protracted means. Are you mad?
I'm not so much convinced as I am fascinated by the horror of war. And why should anyone in this country be surpirised. Is it worse to be fascinated by it than to support the bloody horror that goes on in our name? Am I to be labelled mad for being interested in what our government does in the name of democracy? And as for 'innocent man'??? There is only one reason, other than charity that civilians from this country are working in Iraq and that is money. Money, the same reason this country went to war and the same reason that opportunistic civilians are now risking their lives by working in Iraq. To lay my cards on the table I have no sympathy for Ken Bigley or any other British civilian trying to earn their fortune on the back of an illegal war. I have every sympathy for those soldiers who swore to 'defend' queen and country and I have every sympathy for all those innocents who now suffer at the hands of western democracy.
Ooh! Some powerful words and thoughts... I have to say, whether it be mordid curiousity, or the urge to find the truth or know what my reactions would be, I did finally go off to find said footage and found it within three clicks. I watched it twice - once without sound and once with, and at least I now feel qualified to comment. It seems almost unique to Britain that we shy away from areas like this. I have a German friend who is quite used to his News articles being laced with vivid scenes of death. So is it that we are more cosetted or have batter taste? That's a matter for thought. But one thing watching the Bickley video made me feel is that we should be allowed to see these things if we choose. If we can't, we could well end up like the Americans - in an economic protected vacuum completely unaware of the world order or our place within it. I have never seen so much hatred directed at something 'big' as the whole Western ethos as I saw in that video. It really was very, very chilling... And if anyone else is thinking of following my lead, be prepared - it's staged, very sudden and you WILL have trouble coming to terms with what you see. Heather
Quote by bograt Same here I aint seen the one of Mr Bigleys murder but have seen the other two and it worries me that the internet is another way to condition our youngsters and the sicker eliment on this planet into thinking that human life is worthless all people on this site who share yourselves with others will agree that being human is beutifull and shouldn't be portrayed as it is at the moment.
Completely disagree. Surely actually seeing the brutality and the raw consequences of death will teach people a lot more about the value and frailty of life than the way they see it portrayed in every other form of media, be it film, TV, or print. If this doesn't bring home the reality then why do people get so offended? As for the video, yes I've seen it. Because I'm sick, weird or a freak. Maybe it helps some people to label others like that. Simple fact though I was curious, as is human nature. Maybe I'm becoming desensitised but to be honest I can't say it has deeply tramatised me. It's not a pleasant thing to watch and I gained no pleasure from watching it. It was disturbing to watch. But I would say that for me I did the right thing, it did satisfy my curiosity and I learnt from it. I think it's a brutal lesson in what people are capable of and what they are prepared to do. Something you don't get exposed to by conventional media. As many people have said it's up to you whether you watch these things, I had to search and click a download button. I knew exactly what I was doing and while it was downloading I was nervous as I didn't know how I would react. But personally I wanted to see it and be aware of what people will do and are capable of doing to each other. I would never campaign for censorship. The only conern I would have would be towards the family, knowing the video was available would be terrible. If it was my relative I have no idea if it would help me to see their final moments or whether it wouldn't. That is also a question I hope I never find out the answer to.
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I think Vix and Reese will back me up on that one (our mutual friend?!)