Seems Britain isn''t the only Nanny State

30 Jun 2008

From BBC world news 29th June
If you thought Britain was a “Nanny State” then try Sweden. An eight year old boy was handing out invitations to his birthday party – he omitted to invite two of his classmates because one of them hadn’t invited the boy to HIS party, and he had had an argument with the other. A teacher spotted the omission and confiscated all the invites, saying that the human rights of the two who had been omitted had been grossly violated – The party boys parents complained, and the case is currently before the Swedish parliamentary ombudsman !!!!

30 Jun 2008

OH ffs whatever next!!

30 Jun 2008

:shock: :shock: How about the human rights of the boy that wants a party?
This must be an expection I would hope!
A teacher having a bad day prehaps and not thinking clearly! dunno

30 Jun 2008

Can't understand that at all... what happened to freedom of choice?
Btw how are you HJ?

30 Jun 2008

the teacher was absolutely right to stop that party,if more than half the class were not invite then that could be a different case all together...HJ how would you feel if a member from midlands chatroom organise a party and invites everyone apart from you?well i know you would cope with it but a 8 year old would find the neglect so devasitating...considering their age and the percentange of children invited to the party,those two kids human rights was violated

30 Jun 2008

are sweedish real people then.......... rolleyes

30 Jun 2008

im not too sure that confiscating the invites was a good idea... but i can see why the teacher felt the need to intervene, morally, at least.
The question i was asking was... " if i was the teacher, would I intervene?" . Im not sure i would have forseen ending up being debated upon in Parliament.
this is a toughie. rolleyes

i suppose id have spoken to the parents.
i dont think i see it the same way as you do. i dont think the swedish state is at fault.
I think it is right to look at these social problems and im sure, in the fullness of time they will comment on the incident. there might be more sinister underlying tones in this case... we just dont know. do we?
It seems to me discrimination is apparent at some level in this case. Which we would surely all seek to avoid in a democracy and particularly in the class room.
you would expect the state to get involved. I think our present government might shy away from the problem. i can picture GB avoiding a question on the subject.
i do know an area where sweden and Britain are similar though... hard core anti-terrorism legislation. Interestingly they passed a bill last week in Sweden allowing email/internet tracking and monitoring... and during the government proposals it accepeted it had been monitoring the swedish public for years.

30 Jun 2008

Quote by markz
are sweedish real people then..........

Aren't they the ones who make that dangerous chocolate, or was that the Austrians dunno

30 Jun 2008

the teacher was absolutely right to stop that party,........,those two kids human rights was violated
The sooner people learn that this is the real world, that nanny won't always be around to look after them and that life isn't always fair the better -- sure they will be disappointed - tough !! life is full of disapointments -- I'll bet the party-giver was disappointed too if he had to invite his worst enemy ..
they will just have to learn to deal with it

30 Jun 2008

Quote by HJ
the teacher was absolutely right to stop that party,........,those two kids human rights was violated

The sooner people learn that this is the real world, that nanny won't always be around to look after them and that life isn't always fair the better -- sure they will be disappointed - tough !! life is full of disapointments -- I'll bet the party-giver was disappointed too if he had to invite his worst enemy ..
they will just have to learn to deal with it
its kids we are talking about here HJ

30 Jun 2008

Quote by DeeCee
im not too sure that confiscating the invites was a good idea... but i can see why the teacher felt the need to intervene, morally, at least.
The question i was asking was... " if i was the teacher, would I intervene?" . Im not sure i would have forseen ending up being debated upon in Parliament.
this is a toughie.
i suppose id have spoken to the parents.
i dont think i see it the same way as you do. i dont think the swedish state is at fault.
I think it is right to look at these social problems and im sure, in the fullness of time they will comment on the incident. there might be more sinister underlying tones in this case... we just dont know. do we?
It seems to me discrimination is apparent at some level in this case. Which we would surely all seek to avoid in a democracy and particularly in the class room.
you would expect the state to get involved. I think our present government might shy away from the problem. i can picture GB avoiding a question on the subject.
i do know an area where sweden and Britain are similar though... hard core anti-terrorism legislation. Interestingly they passed a bill last week in Sweden allowing email/internet tracking and monitoring... and during the government proposals it accepeted it had been monitoring the swedish public for years.

Handing out the invites in class was apoor idea especially if he was going to exclude only 2 classmate for whatever 2kids representative can argue emotional distress,embarassment of having been excluded etc,heck bullying can result from it,
they've got a case though i think the school should have handled it instead

30 Jun 2008

Quote by flower411
the teacher was absolutely right to stop that party,........,those two kids human rights was violated

The sooner people learn that this is the real world, that nanny won't always be around to look after them and that life isn't always fair the better -- sure they will be disappointed - tough !! life is full of disapointments -- I'll bet the party-giver was disappointed too if he had to invite his worst enemy ..
they will just have to learn to deal with it
its kids we are talking about here HJ
And at what age do you stop protecting them from disappointment ?
which side are you on flower?

30 Jun 2008

Quote by flower411
the teacher was absolutely right to stop that party,........,those two kids human rights was violated

The sooner people learn that this is the real world, that nanny won't always be around to look after them and that life isn't always fair the better -- sure they will be disappointed - tough !! life is full of disapointments -- I'll bet the party-giver was disappointed too if he had to invite his worst enemy ..
they will just have to learn to deal with it
its kids we are talking about here HJ
And at what age do you stop protecting them from disappointment ?
which side are you on flower?
Mine thanks
Seemed a fair question considering what ya said !!
of course yours,do you think it was right for the party to be stopped just because the 2 kids didnt get an invite?

30 Jun 2008

i can rememeber many of parties i was not invited too.. and it never bothered me!
think its a daft thing. .and even dafter for it to get as far as BBC news...

30 Jun 2008

flower411 wrote

To be honest ... I don`t think we have all the information here .... but my view is that the teacher would have to have a bloody good reason to intervene in this situation ... if it`s just a case of some kids not getting invited to a party ...then the freedom of the person NOT to invite people should be protected !

fair point,but if those two kids hurt themselves somehow the teacher could have had alot to answer ,we seem to treat kids like adults this days,am yet to find out why there is too much stabbing among 13-18 age gap....
off to goggle bolt

30 Jun 2008

If only teachers spent their time teaching kids properly then they'd have an education and a party.
The teacher was well out of order and if I'd been the parent of the kid having the party I'd be round there with somewhat more than a raised blood pressure.
Personally I think the teacher is a fucking idiot. Life sucks and the sooner kids understand that the better able they are to cope with it when it's their turn.
I'll bet the two who weren't invited were right little shits too!
PS: And Phuckers, the more I see you post the more I think you're a troll.

30 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers
flower411 wrote
To be honest ... I don`t think we have all the information here .... but my view is that the teacher would have to have a bloody good reason to intervene in this situation ... if it`s just a case of some kids not getting invited to a party ...then the freedom of the person NOT to invite people should be protected !

fair point,but if those two kids hurt themselves somehow the teacher could have had alot to answer ,we seem to treat kids like adults this days,am yet to find out why there is too much stabbing among 13-18 age gap....
off to goggle bolt

The reason kids of that age indulge in stabbings is primarily they live in an age when kids get what they want when they want it. So the expect to be given shit when they want it... and when they don't get what they want they go into meltdown. It's not the kid's fault it's the parents.
I include myself in that blame too. Our (I'm 48) generation is the first generation to live in a heavy duty consumer orientated society and as such we have done our utmost to give our kids everything we never had, as a result we've spoiled them something rotten and look what's happened.
Sometimes not giving a kid something is the biggest kindness you can do.

1 Jul 2008

Quote by Peanut
If only teachers spent their time teaching kids properly then they'd have an education and a party.
The teacher was well out of order and if I'd been the parent of the kid having the party I'd be round there with somewhat more than a raised blood pressure.
Personally I think the teacher is a fucking idiot. Life sucks and the sooner kids understand that the better able they are to cope with it when it's their turn.
I'll bet the two who weren't invited were right little shits too!
PS: And Phuckers, the more I see you post the more I think you're a troll.

what excatly is your problem little fella?can a MOD sort this guy out please i know his one of the untouchable but his just getting out of order

1 Jul 2008

We thought the idea of a party was that the person who's party it was celebrated and enjoyed themselves amongst friends... I imagine that if forced to party with people we didn't like we'd all not fully be able to enjoy ourselves... particularly at that age. The children are at an age where when they fall out with someone usually they hate to play with them at all. If anyone should have made an effort to get the two that weren't invited to be involved it is the parents of the child who's party it is not the teacher. If the teacher was concerned them speak to the parents... if the teacher felt they needed to take some action do a lesson on forgiveness, or sharing... Even make them work in groups and put the uninvited kids with the party person! By doing what the teacher did they made it ten times worse and probably highlighted the situation more... These are kids... They would probably all have made up in a day or too, soo fickle are the minds me children.

1 Jul 2008

Quote by Peanut
The teacher was well out of order and if I'd been the parent of the kid having the party I'd be round there with somewhat more than a raised blood pressure.

There are some 'what ifs' I feel.
For instance, how far back does this feud go between party boy and the two uninviteds. Was it just a thoughtless decision by party boy, or was there a more underlying motive.
I think it's pretty cruel that he's invited a whole class and left out just the two kids - if I was party boys mother, I would say no bluddy party until you can be nice
Can't think of a better way to get more people in your 'gang'. Be in my gang, come to my party, hate the two uninviteds, or you ain't coming either!!
The inviteds have already seen the other two ostrisised (sp?), they don't want that treatment, a whole class talking about the up and coming event, loud enough for the uninviteds to hear, but they're not allowed to join in cos they're the 'uninvited'.
I can imagine that if the teacher reached the point of taking away invites - there might've been a fair bit of 'look what I've got and you haven't' going on towards the two 'uninviteds'
Just a scenario there, but not knowing why this kid decided to invite a whole class except for 2 kids, I wouldn't like to say whether the teachers decision is right or wrong.

1 Jul 2008

I think there are two sides to this issue, but I can't help feeling the school's reaction was heavy handed.

It seems to me that if both sides knew the school's position on discrimination, then the school may have been right to confiscate the invites. However taking the matter to the Swedish Parliament seems an over reaction to me.
I cannot believe this has happened in a vacuum, as it appears at first sight, therefore there must be more to it than this.

1 Jul 2008

There's nowt so cruel as kids eh ;-)
I think the teacher/school was wrong to be fair but still....
Next time they know to hand the invites out after school has finished ;-)

1 Jul 2008

the worse side is the party has be postponed till after the verdict in september

1 Jul 2008

Quote by Phuckers
the teacher was absolutely right to stop that party,........,those two kids human rights was violated

The sooner people learn that this is the real world, that nanny won't always be around to look after them and that life isn't always fair the better -- sure they will be disappointed - tough !! life is full of disapointments -- I'll bet the party-giver was disappointed too if he had to invite his worst enemy ..
they will just have to learn to deal with it
its kids we are talking about here HJ
And at what age do you stop protecting them from disappointment ?
which side are you on flower?
Yes Flower you must take a side, it's a classroom after all! wink

Right, imo no child's rights were violated other than the poor kid handing out his little party invites. It's his party, his right to invite whoever he goddamn wants. Is his right not being violated by the possible 'forcing' of two people at his party he may well not like?
Look at it all angles, take a scenario, the two not invited could well have bullied him for years... different now?
It's life, kids get disappointments it's what makes them become well adjusted adults instead of always getting their own way.
The Teacher was wrong, she then drew attention to 3 kids not just the 2 originally not invited.

1 Jul 2008

Quote by jaymar
the teacher was absolutely right to stop that party,........,those two kids human rights was violated

The sooner people learn that this is the real world, that nanny won't always be around to look after them and that life isn't always fair the better -- sure they will be disappointed - tough !! life is full of disapointments -- I'll bet the party-giver was disappointed too if he had to invite his worst enemy ..
they will just have to learn to deal with it
its kids we are talking about here HJ
And at what age do you stop protecting them from disappointment ?
which side are you on flower?
Yes Flower you must take a side, it's a classroom after all! wink

Right, imo no child's rights were violated other than the poor kid handing out his little party invites. It's his party, his right to invite whoever he goddamn wants. Is his right not being violated by the possible 'forcing' of two people at his party he may well not like?
Look at it all angles, take a scenario, the two not invited could well have bullied him for years... different now?
It's life, kids get disappointments it's what makes them become well adjusted adults instead of always getting their own way.
The Teacher was wrong, she then drew attention to 3 kids not just the 2 originally not invited.
Very well put Mar.
The problem with all of this nonsense, including political correctness, is that in order to protect the feelings and the rights of one individual you end up violating the feelings and the rights of someone else.
We've lost the ability to judge, and to make sensible decisions based on the situations that are presented to us.
dunno

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1 Jul 2008

Quote by bbw_lover
Very well put Mar.
The problem with all of this nonsense, including political correctness, is that in order to protect the feelings and the rights of one individual you end up violating the feelings and the rights of someone else.
We've lost the ability to judge, and to make sensible decisions based on the situations that are presented to us.
:dunno: :dunno:

Thanks BB

and you are very correct yourself in saying one ends up outweighing the other. The only person who ends up 'winning' if you can call it that is the person making all the stooopid decisions in the first place

1 Jul 2008

this is a good thread HJ has posted can we just discuss the points instead turning it a trial

1 Jul 2008

Quote by Phuckers
this is a good thread HJ has posted can we just discuss the points instead turning it a trial

you really are the funniest guy I've ever come across
It's a brilliant thread! People are simply debating the question, no need to add your spoonful of lighter fuel Phuckers, just chill..... wink

1 Jul 2008

Quote by jaymar

Very well put Mar.
The problem with all of this nonsense, including political correctness, is that in order to protect the feelings and the rights of one individual you end up violating the feelings and the rights of someone else.
We've lost the ability to judge, and to make sensible decisions based on the situations that are presented to us.
:dunno: :dunno:

Thanks BB

and you are very correct yourself in saying one ends up outweighing the other. The only person who ends up 'winning' if you can call it that is the person making all the stooopid decisions in the first place
My pleasure hun :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:
It just seems that decisions are being made, these days, with very little intelligent thinking behind it.
confused

1 Jul 2008

Quote by jaymar
this is a good thread HJ has posted can we just discuss the points instead turning it a trial

you really are the funniest guy I've ever come across
It's a brilliant thread! People are simply debating the question, no need to add your spoonful of lighter fuel Phuckers, just chill..... wink

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