My children have had their sex education lessons at school. They are 11 year old twins. I thought they would learn in the way I was some years ago, about the biology nature side of things. How babies are concieved how they grow etc.
But I was stunned to find out from my daughter, that a teacher said to the class, if you have a baby it could stop you doing the things you enjoy in life example was: going to the nightclub with your friends and have a drink.
Am I the only one that is appaulded with this desciption of what you can do without a baby?
What about your career higher education taking up a sport etc.
But to say you cant go out and have a drink in a nightclub did not go down well with me as a parent.
No wonder we have a drinking culture!
Not only was drinking bought into the conversation, but my children were pretty naive about sex,
Now they know how to do it at the age of 11!
Do you like I feel this is far to young?
Doesn't this only lead to more wanting to try it?
I would like to hear others views!
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Sex education..should it be left to secoundary school age?
I think that sex education should be started in an age appropriate way from the time children start school.
I would suggest that the teacher was addressing concerns that may actually have an impact on young people. A lot of young people see 'clubbing' as a coming of age thing. Not career progression or higher education. Clubbing is something that you choose education is something you endure. In most young people's mind.
Also, knowing how to do something doesn't mean that anyone will do it.
I know how to snort coke. I don't.
I know how to wear sperm like a necklace. I don't.
I know how to take photo's on a time delay so that I can see myself fucking wor lass. I don't.
obviously I may change my 'don'ts' at some point
I would suggest that the teacher was addressing concerns that may actually have an impact on young people. A lot of young people see 'clubbing' as a coming of age thing. Not career progression or higher education. Clubbing is something that you choose education is something you endure. In most young people's mind.
Also, knowing how to do something doesn't mean that anyone will do it.
I know how to snort coke. I don't.
I know how to wear sperm like a necklace. I don't.
I know how to take photo's on a time delay so that I can see myself fucking wor lass. I don't.
obviously I may change my 'don'ts' at some point
Sex God
No, 11-year olds are not too young to have sex and relationship education. You should have been given the opportunity to meet the teacher and ask questions about what they would be taught, beforehand. I think you'd need to have knowledge of the whole lesson/session before deciding that they just learned about not being able to go out and how sex happens. I'd be surprised if your kids knew nothing about the mechanics of sex beforehand, though.
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No, 11-year olds are not too young to have sex and relationship education. You should have been given the opportunity to meet the teacher and ask questions about what they would be taught, beforehand. I think you'd need to have knowledge of the whole lesson/session before deciding that they just learned about not being able to go out and how sex happens. I'd be surprised if your kids knew nothing about the mechanics of sex beforehand, though.
As you are a teacher FB in your opinion what age do you think is appropriate to teach kids? I am curious as my Grandaughter is 6 and I think she is way too young to even start to learn.
I think the last year in primary school is a good time. Girls have to be taught about their periods and some girls can start as young as ten.
But i think it is wrong to want to teach them certainly before 8. I think a thread of this sort has been done before, and people no doubt will know my views.
One of my Daughters was still playing with her dollys at 7, but some want to take that innocence away and teach them what dollys can do to each other. :lol: That was a joke but think people know what I mean. What ever happened to the innocence of youth? :lol:
Sex God
dont all kids come secondary school age learn sex ed? kids have a habit of only saying the best or worst bit of what they have seen/learnt/done and that may only have been one comment in an hours lesson? 
My son is 9 and knows more about sex than i would like him to some things you cant avoid - kids learning things from other kids will always happen
My son is 9 and knows more about sex than i would like him to some things you cant avoid - kids learning things from other kids will always happen
Sex God
Age appropriate? When they ask a question, you answer it (truthfully), regardless of the age of the child. You tailor the answer, in terms of language and content, to suit the child. It's how our kids were raised, before my job came into the equation, and it's never done them any harm.
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I think that sex education should be started in an age appropriate way from the time children start school.
I would suggest that the teacher was addressing concerns that may actually have an impact on young people. A lot of young people see 'clubbing' as a coming of age thing. Not career progression or higher education. Clubbing is something that you choose education is something you endure. In most young people's mind.
Also, knowing how to do something doesn't mean that anyone will do it.
I know how to snort coke. I don't.
I know how to wear sperm like a necklace. I don't.
I know how to take photo's on a time delay so that I can see myself fucking wor lass. I don't.
obviously I may change my 'don'ts' at some point
That's what I was gonna say! Tell your average 11 year old that having a baby will mean they can't go on to do yet more educational stuff will have most 11 year olds saying "where do I sign?"
I think bringing drink into the equation was a worrying sign of what's perceived as a necessary ingredient for a good time though.
teaching people about sex in an age appropriate way is just that... :- age appropriate.
My son asked me what a blow job was when he was 8. I told him.
Two years previously he had asked me about babies. Because of the people he may potentially meet because my friendship group is eclectic I told him about adoption, surrogacy, IVF,
artificial insemination etc etc.. his response was to say rather sagely.. 'I think that I will just put my willy in her vagina as that seems easier'
He has asked more in depth questions over the years and I sat him down complete with cucumber at 9 to show him how to use a condom. (the cucumber was more to demonstrate that condoms stretch).
He is still as innocent as his friends but what he has is a maturity about sex. He may giggle and laugh with his mates. But he also supplies advice to the friends of his whose parents are less aware about what their children get up to.
I suspect that I know more about what my son's friends are doing with each other than their parents do.
My son asked me what a blow job was when he was 8. I told him.
Two years previously he had asked me about babies. Because of the people he may potentially meet because my friendship group is eclectic I told him about adoption, surrogacy, IVF,
artificial insemination etc etc.. his response was to say rather sagely.. 'I think that I will just put my willy in her vagina as that seems easier'
He has asked more in depth questions over the years and I sat him down complete with cucumber at 9 to show him how to use a condom. (the cucumber was more to demonstrate that condoms stretch).
He is still as innocent as his friends but what he has is a maturity about sex. He may giggle and laugh with his mates. But he also supplies advice to the friends of his whose parents are less aware about what their children get up to.
I suspect that I know more about what my son's friends are doing with each other than their parents do.
Sex God
our son is 10 he been learning about it sence he was 9 ,I think its a good thing to teach them and it not just about the sex they learn it love and marriage they cover the tip of it
am open with him any question he needs answering i tell the easiest way with out going in to deep about
when i was @ school all i was told about was Menstrual cycle so yes i do think it a good thing to teach them
am open with him any question he needs answering i tell the easiest way with out going in to deep about
when i was @ school all i was told about was Menstrual cycle so yes i do think it a good thing to teach them
Sex God
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when it comes to sex it should be age appropriate. i don't think they need to know under the age of 11 really. they ask the questions they need to if you have a good enough relationship with them.
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They aren't told anything graphic at school. The teaching is age-appropriate. And if they're old enough to ask the question, they're old enough for an answer to be necessary.
Something that seems to have been overlooked in this thread (though splendid did in fact touch on it) is that it's not an all or nothing thing.
Kids can be drip-fed information about sex from quite an early age. For example my girls knew what a dick was from about age 4, primarily because they had seen me nude and asked. At age 4 I wouldn't necessarily give them the inns and outs, but they can receive information at a level they can understand. Sooner or later it ends in an education about sex.
In my humble opinion to wait until a kid is 11 and then be told it all in one go is the wrong way to do it. It's too much info for them to take in all in one go. I don't mean remembering what was said, I mean about understanding what it all means.
As has been said several times in this thread, if they ask then you give them an honest answer regardless of what age they are. The only difference being how you explain it and how much depth one goes into.
My kids knew where babies came from, how they arrive and the mechanics of it all, all before they started secondary school.
As regards the "clubbing" thing, well that's simple. It all boils down to effective educating. When explaining something to a kid you should use language and imagery that they understand. Use what they pick up from their peers to use as analogy to make the serious points more understandable and more palatable to them.
Good luck to any teacher who can make a dent in the understanding of the average 11 year old with regard to career goals. Quite simply it's not something they properly understand at that age and have absolutely no interest in. It's very difficult to teach a kid something they have no interest in.
Kids can be drip-fed information about sex from quite an early age. For example my girls knew what a dick was from about age 4, primarily because they had seen me nude and asked. At age 4 I wouldn't necessarily give them the inns and outs, but they can receive information at a level they can understand. Sooner or later it ends in an education about sex.
In my humble opinion to wait until a kid is 11 and then be told it all in one go is the wrong way to do it. It's too much info for them to take in all in one go. I don't mean remembering what was said, I mean about understanding what it all means.
As has been said several times in this thread, if they ask then you give them an honest answer regardless of what age they are. The only difference being how you explain it and how much depth one goes into.
My kids knew where babies came from, how they arrive and the mechanics of it all, all before they started secondary school.
As regards the "clubbing" thing, well that's simple. It all boils down to effective educating. When explaining something to a kid you should use language and imagery that they understand. Use what they pick up from their peers to use as analogy to make the serious points more understandable and more palatable to them.
Good luck to any teacher who can make a dent in the understanding of the average 11 year old with regard to career goals. Quite simply it's not something they properly understand at that age and have absolutely no interest in. It's very difficult to teach a kid something they have no interest in.
Sex God
Age appropriate! Another piece of wordy bollox really. Another piece of wordy bollox you could use is Individual appropriate. Or even, cultural and social context appropriate. Oh it gets me sometimes it really does. Of course i understand what these pieces of crap wordism mean, it means 'it depends'- to be determined. Thats not good enough is it though? It says nothing really
I mean to determine which individual child is ready for what information would be an endless task. There has to be a blanket rule guiding schools how and when to initiate sex education. I think ten is by far as old or young as need be. If the want for explanation comes earlier, then that should be done at the request of the child.
Come to think of it the statement - cultural and social context appropriate how does that stand with sex ed? Many of the religious groups such as Hindus and Muslims are fundamentally against sex education by the state how do we then balance this?
The instances of teenage pregnancy or sexual/sexuality problems are in proportion to percentage of population far less within these cultural/religious devides than out side of them, and as far as is known the instances of younger people taking part in sex is far less.
Does this seem to fly in the face of the ideology more education earlier is a good thing when it comes to sex?
I mean to determine which individual child is ready for what information would be an endless task. There has to be a blanket rule guiding schools how and when to initiate sex education. I think ten is by far as old or young as need be. If the want for explanation comes earlier, then that should be done at the request of the child.
Come to think of it the statement - cultural and social context appropriate how does that stand with sex ed? Many of the religious groups such as Hindus and Muslims are fundamentally against sex education by the state how do we then balance this?
The instances of teenage pregnancy or sexual/sexuality problems are in proportion to percentage of population far less within these cultural/religious devides than out side of them, and as far as is known the instances of younger people taking part in sex is far less.
Does this seem to fly in the face of the ideology more education earlier is a good thing when it comes to sex?
Sex God
Quote by Whipsnspurs
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when it comes to sex it should be age appropriate. i don't think they need to know under the age of 11 really. they ask the questions they need to if you have a good enough relationship with them.
*snip*
They aren't told anything graphic at school. The teaching is age-appropriate. And if they're old enough to ask the question, they're old enough for an answer to be necessary.
i'm not entirely sure why you have quoted me for this as what you have said is exactly what i have said. they ask the question, you answer it as needs be and no more. i didn't say that sex education wasn't age appropriate in schools, just that i don't think that schools need to go into too much detail before 11 years old.
It was the 'need to know' thing really. I think there are lots of things they need to know, well before they are 11. Your friend's daughter is a fine example of that. And I was just confirming that sex and relationship education isn't that graphic/detailed.
As a Primary school teacher I once faced a dilemma when teaching a class of 8 year olds. They were supposed to be story writing and as I was moving around the class I noticed a group of boys having an animated discussion. When I went over to find out the problem I was stumped when I was asked "Miss where do babies come from?" Playing for time as I mentally brushed up on my sex education skills, I asked why they wanted to know. One boy said well X says they come through the Mums tummy button and Y says they come from between the Mums legs. I said they come from between the Mums legs and with that they were satisfied and went on with their task. It taught me to ask before I speak as they didn't want a full blown sex lesson ... just a simple answer.
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I think that sex education should be started in an age appropriate way from the time children start school.
I would suggest that the teacher was addressing concerns that may actually have an impact on young people. A lot of young people see 'clubbing' as a coming of age thing. Not career progression or higher education. Clubbing is something that you choose education is something you endure. In most young people's mind.
Also, knowing how to do something doesn't mean that anyone will do it.
I know how to snort coke. I don't.
I know how to wear sperm like a necklace. I don't.
I know how to take photo's on a time delay so that I can see myself fucking wor lass. I don't.
obviously I may change my 'don'ts' at some point
I would like to come back with a response to some of the posters here.
Splendid Quote: A lot of young people see 'clubbing' as a coming of age thing. Not career progression or higher education. Clubbing is something that you choose education is something you endure. In most young people's mind.
Well I feel that is a shame clubbing at18 is the thing to look forward to for most, the ability to have a drink could be why most children end up trying it at such a young age. Where is the education for children to be told in life you can be whatever you want to be, to have ambition drive to where you want to go in life. I have 3 children twins 11 and a 17 year old. They all have an idea what that want to be, they might not get there but at least they are focused and drive towards it.
We are not drinkers so they don’t see drinking as part of their future,
Education as my example might have been a stupid one for most of you but then it would have meant more for my children, not all children are the same, which is one of my points.
Also, knowing how to do something doesn't mean that anyone will do it.
I know how to snort coke. I don't.
I know how to wear sperm like a necklace. I don't.
I know how to take photo's on a time delay so that I can see myself fucking wor lass. I don't.
I disagree with you here sorry!
Tell children how to do something I think can lead to intrigue!
You know about these things and are making the choice not to try them as an adult, who has the ability to weigh up all the facts and read and understand all the answers.
I feel completely different from tell a child.
I will respond to some more of the posters after coming back from the school run.
Sex God
Howdie forum folks 
Hot topic for me currently (and close to my heart) as our 9 yr old son is having sex ed lessons this half term.
As mentioned, age appropriate is important (no Lost it is not wordy bollox, it is a sensible, descriptive phrase), but also information appropriate is an equally important factor I feel as many of you have mentioned about drip feeding information on a need to know basis such as the stallion/mare example. Sorry Whips, they do need to know before 11, maybe you are thinking they don’t need to know what sex is till then…but sex ed covers so much more than explaining just the act of sexual intercourse - puberty, changes, sex organs and feelings are all crucial things they need to know and very frankly many many (typically British sexually repressed) parents are too embarrassed to talk about it with their own kids and leave it to the teacher. We should send Splendid into schools in my opinion. :jagsatwork:
For example with some kids starting puberty as young as 8 (again mentioned by Whips), they all need to know what physical changes occur in the body and why it happens. This can be very basic at 6 (great book called “Hair in funny places” more detailed at 8 and so on…
I talk to my eldest son about stuff as he asks and as FB says in a language he understands. I also deliver this without fannying around (‘scuse the pun) and don’t get embarrassed about using proper words. He happily tells anyone about vaginas. They are simply girls’ bits just as much as his willy is. He has books around he can read at his leisure, and he knows I will always ask any questions. Last weeks’ question “What is sperm made of?” I simply said it is a fluid manufactured by the body, that’s how clever our bodies are. He was happy with that. He was also happy with the explanation of why I stick a piece of cotton up my vagina every month. I told him I have a period, like all girls do which means I can make a baby if I choose to. “Does it hurt?” was all he asked next!
His latest book I’ve just bought him called “Let’s talk about girls, boys, bodies, families and friends” (Walker) is clear, concise, written with humour and great illustrations. It explains girls’ and boys’ body parts, body changes , eggs and sperm, making a baby, pregnancy and growing baby, OK and not OK touches, being friends with the opposite sex. Another brilliant one is “What’s happening to me?” (Usborne) which talks about voice breaking, shaving, body changes, different looking willies and breasts. It is brilliantly illustrated and written in a cool and humorous way.
The next stage up for 10-14 year olds I have bought but will keep for a while is “Let’s talk about sex” (Walker) and goes into much more detail about puberty, sexual touching and intercourse, feelings, straight and gay, masturbation, STI’s, abuse etc.
Seeing as this topic has got me out of my non-posting box, I shall carry on…
Davina McCall did a programme a few years ago abut sex ed in the UK compared to Holland. In a nutshell their sex ed is much earlier and much more explicit but they have the lowest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe whilst ours is somewhere near the top. Enough said.
Right back in me box. :gagged:
pink
Hot topic for me currently (and close to my heart) as our 9 yr old son is having sex ed lessons this half term.
As mentioned, age appropriate is important (no Lost it is not wordy bollox, it is a sensible, descriptive phrase), but also information appropriate is an equally important factor I feel as many of you have mentioned about drip feeding information on a need to know basis such as the stallion/mare example. Sorry Whips, they do need to know before 11, maybe you are thinking they don’t need to know what sex is till then…but sex ed covers so much more than explaining just the act of sexual intercourse - puberty, changes, sex organs and feelings are all crucial things they need to know and very frankly many many (typically British sexually repressed) parents are too embarrassed to talk about it with their own kids and leave it to the teacher. We should send Splendid into schools in my opinion. :jagsatwork:
For example with some kids starting puberty as young as 8 (again mentioned by Whips), they all need to know what physical changes occur in the body and why it happens. This can be very basic at 6 (great book called “Hair in funny places” more detailed at 8 and so on…
I talk to my eldest son about stuff as he asks and as FB says in a language he understands. I also deliver this without fannying around (‘scuse the pun) and don’t get embarrassed about using proper words. He happily tells anyone about vaginas. They are simply girls’ bits just as much as his willy is. He has books around he can read at his leisure, and he knows I will always ask any questions. Last weeks’ question “What is sperm made of?” I simply said it is a fluid manufactured by the body, that’s how clever our bodies are. He was happy with that. He was also happy with the explanation of why I stick a piece of cotton up my vagina every month. I told him I have a period, like all girls do which means I can make a baby if I choose to. “Does it hurt?” was all he asked next!
His latest book I’ve just bought him called “Let’s talk about girls, boys, bodies, families and friends” (Walker) is clear, concise, written with humour and great illustrations. It explains girls’ and boys’ body parts, body changes , eggs and sperm, making a baby, pregnancy and growing baby, OK and not OK touches, being friends with the opposite sex. Another brilliant one is “What’s happening to me?” (Usborne) which talks about voice breaking, shaving, body changes, different looking willies and breasts. It is brilliantly illustrated and written in a cool and humorous way.
The next stage up for 10-14 year olds I have bought but will keep for a while is “Let’s talk about sex” (Walker) and goes into much more detail about puberty, sexual touching and intercourse, feelings, straight and gay, masturbation, STI’s, abuse etc.
Seeing as this topic has got me out of my non-posting box, I shall carry on…
Davina McCall did a programme a few years ago abut sex ed in the UK compared to Holland. In a nutshell their sex ed is much earlier and much more explicit but they have the lowest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe whilst ours is somewhere near the top. Enough said.
Right back in me box. :gagged:
pink
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Howdie forum folks
Hot topic for me currently (and close to my heart) as our 9 yr old son is having sex ed lessons this half term.
As mentioned, age appropriate is important (no Lost it is not wordy bollox, it is a sensible, descriptive phrase), but also information appropriate is an equally important factor I feel as many of you have mentioned about drip feeding information on a need to know basis such as the stallion/mare example. Sorry Whips, they do need to know before 11, maybe you are thinking they don’t need to know what sex is till then…but sex ed covers so much more than explaining just the act of sexual intercourse - puberty, changes, sex organs and feelings are all crucial things they need to know and very frankly many many (typically British sexually repressed) parents are too embarrassed to talk about it with their own kids and leave it to the teacher. We should send Splendid into schools in my opinion. :jagsatwork:
For example with some kids starting puberty as young as 8 (again mentioned by Whips), they all need to know what physical changes occur in the body and why it happens. This can be very basic at 6 (great book called “Hair in funny places” more detailed at 8 and so on…
I talk to my eldest son about stuff as he asks and as FB says in a language he understands. I also deliver this without fannying around (‘scuse the pun) and don’t get embarrassed about using proper words. He happily tells anyone about vaginas. They are simply girls’ bits just as much as his willy is. He has books around he can read at his leisure, and he knows I will always ask any questions. Last weeks’ question “What is sperm made of?” I simply said it is a fluid manufactured by the body, that’s how clever our bodies are. He was happy with that. He was also happy with the explanation of why I stick a piece of cotton up my vagina every month. I told him I have a period, like all girls do which means I can make a baby if I choose to. “Does it hurt?” was all he asked next!
His latest book I’ve just bought him called “Let’s talk about girls, boys, bodies, families and friends” (Walker) is clear, concise, written with humour and great illustrations. It explains girls’ and boys’ body parts, body changes , eggs and sperm, making a baby, pregnancy and growing baby, OK and not OK touches, being friends with the opposite sex. Another brilliant one is “What’s happening to me?” (Usborne) which talks about voice breaking, shaving, body changes, different looking willies and breasts. It is brilliantly illustrated and written in a cool and humorous way.
The next stage up for 10-14 year olds I have bought but will keep for a while is “Let’s talk about sex” (Walker) and goes into much more detail about puberty, sexual touching and intercourse, feelings, straight and gay, masturbation, STI’s, abuse etc.
Seeing as this topic has got me out of my non-posting box, I shall carry on…
Davina McCall did a programme a few years ago abut sex ed in the UK compared to Holland. In a nutshell their sex ed is much earlier and much more explicit but they have the lowest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe whilst ours is somewhere near the top. Enough said.
Right back in me box. :gagged:
pink
As a regular forum poster I really think you should stay out of your " box " and join in on the forum more often.
Your comments above whilst I dont agree with all you said, was clear and consise, and very well worded.
We need new posters in here who know how to debate, and I for one will look forward to you posting more often.
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No, 11-year olds are not too young to have sex and relationship education. You should have been given the opportunity to meet the teacher and ask questions about what they would be taught, beforehand. I think you'd need to have knowledge of the whole lesson/session before deciding that they just learned about not being able to go out and how sex happens. I'd be surprised if your kids knew nothing about the mechanics of sex beforehand, though.
Sorry Fecks I disagree in the way it is taught, laid down possibly by our government that think everything they come up with is a good idea, how it was dealt with, what was shown and said I do have issues with.
I am not blaming the schools or the teachers!
They are only doing what is asked of them!
I think if it is to be done it should be by people trained in this area.
So all children get the same answers across the board, I think the way it is taught at the moment can lead to more confusion.
Some children I do know are learning it all at school, and I believe could be getting the wrong messages, in my opinion
I have always drip fed my children when they have asked questions by answering them with honest answers.
They have known about their own bodies and changes that will be made from us, they know it takes and a man and a woman to make a child, they also know that birth parents are not always the best parents etc.
What I totally find hard here is showing in cartoon form two people having sex, how that is done, That to me plus other information they were given is what I disagree with.
11 year olds do not need to see two people (be it cartoons) having sex!
Sex God
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Howdie forum folks
Right back in me box. :gagged:
pink
Pink !!:wave:
Hey great to see you back postiong. I agree with lots of what you've posted Pink it makes a lot of sense and isn't 'wordy bollox' for sure. I recognise the need for sex ed and promote as such. What I mean by wordy bollox is the fact that age appropriate or the other examples are 'political' type answers. A straight question coming back with 'age appropriate 'gives no answer. It needs further explanation.
If i ask my sons school "when are you going to teach my son about sex education"
If they then come back with "when its age appropriate" I am no further forward surely?
Sex God
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Sorry Fecks I disagree in the way it is taught, laid down possibly by our government that think everything they come up with is a good idea, how it was dealt with, what was shown and said I do have issues with.
I am not blaming the schools or the teachers!
They are only doing what is asked of them!
I think if it is to be done it should be by people trained in this area.
So all children get the same answers across the board, I think the way it is taught at the moment can lead to more confusion.
Some children I do know are learning it all at school, and I believe could be getting the wrong messages, in my opinion
I have always drip fed my children when they have asked questions by answering them with honest answers.
They have known about their own bodies and changes that will be made from us, they know it takes and a man and a woman to make a child, they also know that birth parents are not always the best parents etc.
What I totally find hard here is showing in cartoon form two people having sex, how that is done, That to me plus other information they were given is what I disagree with.
11 year olds do not need to see two people (be it cartoons) having sex!
Did you have the opportunity to ask questions or see the materials before your children?
The government dictates what we teach - it does not dictate strictly, how it is delivered. Teachers do receieve training for sex and relationship education. I know in our school and others in the local authority, the school nurse is always present in sex and relationship education lessons as well as the teacher. And I'm pretty sure that they are properly trained. Have you actually been there when it's been taught? If not, how can you say you disagree with how it's done? You're simply disagreeing with some of the things they came home and told you about.
Some children do learn it all at school - that's up to their parents to take on some responsibility, or accept that their children will be taught certain things they might not want them to be. A clear and fair choice, I think. The lessons will have been delivered to suit the ability and learning styles of a range of children - what you deem inappropriate, is wholly appropriate for some children, and the teachers are trained to know the difference.
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I think that sex education should be started in an age appropriate way from the time children start school.
I would suggest that the teacher was addressing concerns that may actually have an impact on young people. A lot of young people see 'clubbing' as a coming of age thing. Not career progression or higher education. Clubbing is something that you choose education is something you endure. In most young people's mind.
Also, knowing how to do something doesn't mean that anyone will do it.
I know how to snort coke. I don't.
I know how to wear sperm like a necklace. I don't.
I know how to take photo's on a time delay so that I can see myself fucking wor lass. I don't.
obviously I may change my 'don'ts' at some point
That's what I was gonna say! Tell your average 11 year old that having a baby will mean they can't go on to do yet more educational stuff will have most 11 year olds saying "where do I sign?"
I think bringing drink into the equation was a worrying sign of what's perceived as a necessary ingredient for a good time though.
Well I am shocked that there doesnt seem to be 11 year olds out there with ambition!
To become whatever they want to became to help give them a vocus in life to have a dream even!
As an example:
A sportsperson , I am not meaning footballer here either all my children play cricket and would love one day to represent their country. This is for the love of the game ..not for the monetary value.
Teachers are pushing drinking as a way to relate to children of 11. No wonder there is a child drinking problem in this country.
That all seem fine and acceptable to a lot of the people here.
So it isnt ok to have a baby but is ok to drink. Drinking can kill you, having a baby is less risky in my opinion.
I believe you agree with me on this by your last comment though!
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Hey great to see you back postiong. I agree with lots of what you've posted Pink it makes a lot of sense and isn't 'wordy bollox' for sure. I recognise the need for sex ed and promote as such. What I mean by wordy bollox is the fact that age appropriate or the other examples are 'political' type answers. A straight question coming back with 'age appropriate 'gives no answer. It needs further explanation.
If i ask my sons school "when are you going to teach my son about sex education"
If they then come back with "when its age appropriate" I am no further forward surely?
Nope, it's a succinct way of saying something, rather than doing it in wordy bollox.
If you went to school and asked about the dates of sex and relationship education, you'd be told in which year group it will be taught. Clearly we all have to be prepared for earlier questions such as those asked of Buckingfabe, though - and be willing/able to answer them, just as parents do. In other words, give age-appropriate answers when necessary.
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Teachers are pushing drinking as a way to relate to children of 11. No wonder there is a child drinking problem in this country.
That all seem fine and acceptable to a lot of the people here.
So it isnt ok to have a baby but is ok to drink. Drinking can kill you, having a baby is less risky in my opinion.
I believe you agree with me on this by your last comment though!
Nobody said there are aren't 11-year olds without ambition - I know there are.
Teachers are NOT pushing drinking - that particular teacher was using it as a way to relate to the children she is teaching. I wouldn't do that, but maybe she had her reasons?
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Sorry Fecks I disagree in the way it is taught, laid down possibly by our government that think everything they come up with is a good idea, how it was dealt with, what was shown and said I do have issues with.
I am not blaming the schools or the teachers!
They are only doing what is asked of them!
I think if it is to be done it should be by people trained in this area.
So all children get the same answers across the board, I think the way it is taught at the moment can lead to more confusion.
Some children I do know are learning it all at school, and I believe could be getting the wrong messages, in my opinion
I have always drip fed my children when they have asked questions by answering them with honest answers.
They have known about their own bodies and changes that will be made from us, they know it takes and a man and a woman to make a child, they also know that birth parents are not always the best parents etc.
What I totally find hard here is showing in cartoon form two people having sex, how that is done, That to me plus other information they were given is what I disagree with.
11 year olds do not need to see two people (be it cartoons) having sex!
Did you have the opportunity to ask questions or see the materials before your children?
Yes I was and I wasn’t concerned about them teaching it to my children as most of which they knew already!
I didn’t know they would be watching a film with two people having sex, I am not even really concerned about my children watching that to be honest. As they know about sexual relationships and how two people come together.
I still believe 11 year olds in general don’t need to see that.
But I am concerned in the way it was delivered and what progressed from there, which I wouldn’t have known as that isn’t in the planning. So I am more concerned about other children what they would have got out of it to be honest.
As you know being a teacher all children are different in how they absorb information and try to understand what is said and shown. I am very involved at the school and know a great deal of the children there. I don't think is some instances it is handled correctly. That is my opinion!
I have twins boy and a girl and each told me in their own way about what was shown and said. I can make a fair assumption from their information how the day went and to be honest has left me feeling somewhat worried about what we are telling our children!
The government dictates what we teach - it does not dictate strictly, how it is delivered.
My point exactly some might be doing it better than others!
Teachers do receieve training for sex and relationship education. I know in our school and others in the local authority, the school nurse is always present in sex and relationship education lessons as well as the teacher. And I'm pretty sure that they are properly trained. Have you actually been there when it's been taught? If not, how can you say you disagree with how it's done? You're simply disagreeing with some of the things they came home and told you about.
Some children do learn it all at school - that's up to their parents to take on some responsibility, or accept that their children will be taught certain things they might not want them to be.
Education on everything should come from both parents and the school working together. I totally agree with you on this and know teachers have a hard job whereby the children have no support from the parents.
As I said I am not blaming the teachers!
A clear and fair choice, I think. The lessons will have been delivered to suit the ability and learning styles of a range of children - what you deem inappropriate, is wholly appropriate for some children, and the teachers are trained to know the difference.
But the way it is looked upon is all 11 year olds can be given the same information and it is felt they would all be able to deal with it in the same way!
You as a teacher knows this isn't the case, each child is at a different level of maturity even if they are the same age. You can't say all 11 year olds are the same.
As for the teachers knowing the differance the parents should always be in a postition of knowing their children better, and I know this isn't always the case. How very sad.
Can I ask would children that seem to be at a lower mental ability to reason as others at their age be taken out of the class while being taught this subject?
I fear not!
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I think that sex education should be started in an age appropriate way from the time children start school.
I would suggest that the teacher was addressing concerns that may actually have an impact on young people. A lot of young people see 'clubbing' as a coming of age thing. Not career progression or higher education. Clubbing is something that you choose education is something you endure. In most young people's mind.
Also, knowing how to do something doesn't mean that anyone will do it.
I know how to snort coke. I don't.
I know how to wear sperm like a necklace. I don't.
I know how to take photo's on a time delay so that I can see myself fucking wor lass. I don't.
obviously I may change my 'don'ts' at some point
That's what I was gonna say! Tell your average 11 year old that having a baby will mean they can't go on to do yet more educational stuff will have most 11 year olds saying "where do I sign?"
I think bringing drink into the equation was a worrying sign of what's perceived as a necessary ingredient for a good time though.
Well I am shocked that there doesnt seem to be 11 year olds out there with ambition!To become whatever they want to became to help give them a vocus in life to have a dream even!
As an example:
A sportsperson , I am not meaning footballer here either all my children play cricket and would love one day to represent their country. This is for the love of the game ..not for the monetary value.
Teachers are pushing drinking as a way to relate to children of 11. No wonder there is a child drinking problem in this country.
That all seem fine and acceptable to a lot of the people here.
So it isnt ok to have a baby but is ok to drink. Drinking can kill you, having a baby is less risky in my opinion.
I believe you agree with me on this by your last comment though!
Minxy...wake up and smell the coffee.
:lol: There are a zillion 16 year olds out there with no ambition, in fact loads that cant read or write properly! So 11 year olds with no ambition does not suprise me at all if honest. Look at the way some kids live their lives, not by their choice but that of their parents.
Mark my words we will go back to the days when the three r's ARE the most important thing in a childs education. I am not knocking teachers at all as I would not want to do their jobs but...one teacher teaches one way, and another teacher something different in the way they teach the subject.
I was so suprised recently as to how many failing schools there are out there. We need to get back to the main subjects, make sure kids leave school being able to read and write properly. I am all for kids to be taught things about sex and drugs but at an appropriate time, which I think is about 8 or 9.
My Grandaughter goes to a failing school, according to Offsted, and I have noticed how one teacher does things so different to another teacher. It even picked up on that in the Offsted report. :shock: No wonder kids can become confused. As I have already said, I would not want to do their jobs, but then they probably would not want to do mine either. :lol:
I have to say that I was in total agreement with Pink's mode of enlightening her son.
I don't know about other parents but in these days of the government dumbing down the syllabus so that the results seem better and the fact that teachers seem quite happy with bad spelling, text speak etc. I really don't trust teachers as a whole.
As such I would not (actually I didn't as both my daughters have now left school) trust the teachers to give my kids an effective sex education which is why I did it myself (no, my wife didn't, but that's a whole different topic!). I made sure my kids knew everything they needed to know about sex before the teachers got their hands on them. After all in an age when religious education is compulsory but correct spelling isn't how can we guarantee that our kids are going to get the sex education they need?
All in all, I reckon that it should be up to the parents to educate their kids on sex, not the schools.
I don't know about other parents but in these days of the government dumbing down the syllabus so that the results seem better and the fact that teachers seem quite happy with bad spelling, text speak etc. I really don't trust teachers as a whole.
As such I would not (actually I didn't as both my daughters have now left school) trust the teachers to give my kids an effective sex education which is why I did it myself (no, my wife didn't, but that's a whole different topic!). I made sure my kids knew everything they needed to know about sex before the teachers got their hands on them. After all in an age when religious education is compulsory but correct spelling isn't how can we guarantee that our kids are going to get the sex education they need?
All in all, I reckon that it should be up to the parents to educate their kids on sex, not the schools.
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All in all, I reckon that it should be up to the parents to educate their kids on sex, not the schools.
I'm not too sure as a parent I have the skills to teach our children sex education. I can answer their questions but I could just as easily get it wrong
As for a nurse teaching them, no way. Makes it out to be something medical or different. I'd rather a teacher they know and who knows them, teach them with their mates in a normal class lesson.
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All in all, I reckon that it should be up to the parents to educate their kids on sex, not the schools.
I'm not too sure as a parent I have the skills to teach our children sex education. I can answer their questions but I could just as easily get it wrong
As for a nurse teaching them, no way. Makes it out to be something medical or different. I'd rather a teacher they know and who knows them, teach them with their mates in a normal class lesson.
One would need to trust the teachers for that option. Personally I don't.
That isn't to say that teachers can't do their jobs due to incompetence. I don't think that at all. They can't do their jobs properly due to government intervention. They are so tied up in government rhetoric, political correctness and over the top rules and bureaucracy that there's nothing left to give a decent education.
just for info. You would be incorrect in saying that it takes a man and a woman to make a baby.
It actually takes an egg and a sperm. There are many, many ways of bringing those together.
Also teaching children that sex happens within a loving relationship is pants too.(for those that do) What about sexual abuse ?
I know one person who was traumatised in sex ed. at school when she realised that what her mum had mysteriously referred to as love making was in fact something her uncle and brother had been doing to her for many years. She had a breakdown and attempted suicide.
Education about sex and biology etc should be happening all of the time and the teachers role should be supported by open minded holistic discussion from the parents.
One of my son's female friends is allowed around our house until 8pm. If he goes there they have to remain downstairs and he is not allowed upstairs at all, even to use the toilet. This is because her mother says 'he is a boy he may do something naughty to you' she has never elaborated on the 'naughty' thing. That gets my goat. Not just because she has misjudged her daughter's sexuality (she is gay) but because she thinks that young men are automatically perpetrators of 'naughtiness'. What sort of message is that ?
Grrrrr
It actually takes an egg and a sperm. There are many, many ways of bringing those together.
Also teaching children that sex happens within a loving relationship is pants too.(for those that do) What about sexual abuse ?
I know one person who was traumatised in sex ed. at school when she realised that what her mum had mysteriously referred to as love making was in fact something her uncle and brother had been doing to her for many years. She had a breakdown and attempted suicide.
Education about sex and biology etc should be happening all of the time and the teachers role should be supported by open minded holistic discussion from the parents.
One of my son's female friends is allowed around our house until 8pm. If he goes there they have to remain downstairs and he is not allowed upstairs at all, even to use the toilet. This is because her mother says 'he is a boy he may do something naughty to you' she has never elaborated on the 'naughty' thing. That gets my goat. Not just because she has misjudged her daughter's sexuality (she is gay) but because she thinks that young men are automatically perpetrators of 'naughtiness'. What sort of message is that ?
Grrrrr
