I read in the paper today Hamilton (sorry I don't know his first name) being torn apart by the media because he didn't know anything about England in the 2012 euro football competition, Shame on you they said to him.
Shame on him !!! as I understand it he is busy with a competition himself at the moment, I don't know anything about F1, no not even his first name, I don't know how he is doing in the competition or when the next event is.
How many people are not interested in what thier nation is doing in the sporting world, Wimbledon started today, I have no idea which Brits are in it, do you ? if you do, great, if you don't, not bothered, we each choose our own entertainment, why should Hamilton be ashamed of not caring about football, why, because the British Media love to have a go at British sports people and for no other reason.
So he is a sportsman, does that mean he has to be interested in every other sport or how England are doing in that sport or can he still have his own views and enjoy what he likes to do, personally I would rather he concentrated on his own abilities and competitions.
Shame on the Media for trying to bring down yet another person trying to do his best whilst representing this Country.
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This is from Wales but it does not matter! I was in the Bank today when I saw the TV screen there "Breaking News - England out of Euro 2012". I was distraught!!!! Was I f***?
Perhaps now we can get back to some more normal TV schedule. I don't watch much TV but when Eggheads is cancelled for one I get pretty pissed off. Good on Lewis for being more concerned with his own sport and bollocks to what anyone else says. Also pissed off with media comments like "the UK is mourning the exit of so and so from some football competition". Me, I couldn't give a flying f***.
Smooth1 calming down!!!!
Perhaps now we can get back to some more normal TV schedule. I don't watch much TV but when Eggheads is cancelled for one I get pretty pissed off. Good on Lewis for being more concerned with his own sport and bollocks to what anyone else says. Also pissed off with media comments like "the UK is mourning the exit of so and so from some football competition". Me, I couldn't give a flying f***.
Smooth1 calming down!!!!
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This is from Wales but it does not matter! I was in the Bank today when I saw the TV screen there "Breaking News - England out of Euro 2012". I was distraught!!!! Was I f***?
Perhaps now we can get back to some more normal TV schedule. I don't watch much TV but when Eggheads is cancelled for one I get pretty pissed off. Good on Lewis for being more concerned with his own sport and bollocks to what anyone else says. Also pissed off with media comments like "the UK is mourning the exit of so and so from some football competition". Me, I couldn't give a flying f***.
Smooth1 calming down!!!!
No :lol2: They keep showing the games anyway.
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This is from Wales but it does not matter! I was in the Bank today when I saw the TV screen there "Breaking News - England out of Euro 2012". I was distraught!!!! Was I f***?
Perhaps now we can get back to some more normal TV schedule. I don't watch much TV but when Eggheads is cancelled for one I get pretty pissed off. Good on Lewis for being more concerned with his own sport and bollocks to what anyone else says. Also pissed off with media comments like "the UK is mourning the exit of so and so from some football competition". Me, I couldn't give a flying f***.
Smooth1 calming down!!!!
When they refer to them as 'heroes' or they put up a 'heroic performance' is when it irritates me, they're footballers being paid stoopid amounts of money for kicking a piece of leather around a field with the simple aim to get it between two sticks (or similar) more times than their opposition at the time, heroes they are not, not in any way shape or form.
Sportspeople heroes, very few, but I have to say that I find some an inspiration and some of thier exploits heroic, yes heroic.
I am referring in the most part to the paralympians who overcome imense adversity to achieve such excellence in thier chosen sport.
Almost all of them are fitter and more able than I am, some are fitter than I have ever been and there was a time many years ago that I was extremely fit and compteting in sport at a high level (though never Olympic or National level).
Of course, the average sportsperson kicking a ball, even being the best kicker of a ball in the world, driving a racing car, riding a fast horse, jumping a high bar, no this does not make them a hero, I respect thier dedication, I admire them for being amongst the best in the world at what they choose to do and the training and time they put into it, but will never consider them to be heroes, nor do I think that this automatically makes them better people.
I am referring in the most part to the paralympians who overcome imense adversity to achieve such excellence in thier chosen sport.
Almost all of them are fitter and more able than I am, some are fitter than I have ever been and there was a time many years ago that I was extremely fit and compteting in sport at a high level (though never Olympic or National level).
Of course, the average sportsperson kicking a ball, even being the best kicker of a ball in the world, driving a racing car, riding a fast horse, jumping a high bar, no this does not make them a hero, I respect thier dedication, I admire them for being amongst the best in the world at what they choose to do and the training and time they put into it, but will never consider them to be heroes, nor do I think that this automatically makes them better people.
A sporting hero to me would be a gold medalist/champion/winner who inspires other to overcome severe difficulties and achieve the "impossible". Lance Armstrong (assuming this doping nonsense is just that) being one, and to be honest without spending time on Google I can't really think of any others right now, but you'll probably find these individuals at the Special Olympics and DEFINITELY not at a football stadium or a Grand Prix circuit (I may loathe football but I've pure 100RON running through my veins, so this isn't biased against sports I don't like).
As for the Hamilton story, where did you read that just out of curiosity? I'm more impressed he knows nothing about the Euro's than I would be if he was an avid England supporter. focussed on the job in hand, as well he should be for the £11m he's paid each year. Likewise each and every footballer ought to focus their full attention on their own sport for the ridiculous wages they also earn.
As for the Hamilton story, where did you read that just out of curiosity? I'm more impressed he knows nothing about the Euro's than I would be if he was an avid England supporter. focussed on the job in hand, as well he should be for the £11m he's paid each year. Likewise each and every footballer ought to focus their full attention on their own sport for the ridiculous wages they also earn.
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Depends on your interpritation of the word
noun (plural heroes)
A person, typically a man, who is admired for their courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities:
Ref the two parts in bold. You can certainly show courage in a football or other sporting match. Outstanding achivements? Is not being in the a competition finals or winning a competion an outstanding achievement? Considering all the millions that ever picked up a ball and tried to make it there?
Being paid millions does not come into effect when playing internationally, first you have to be selected and second you dont get paid (Well not directly
)
noun (plural heroes)
A person, typically a man, who is admired for their courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities:
Ref the two parts in bold. You can certainly show courage in a football or other sporting match. Outstanding achivements? Is not being in the a competition finals or winning a competion an outstanding achievement? Considering all the millions that ever picked up a ball and tried to make it there?
Being paid millions does not come into effect when playing internationally, first you have to be selected and second you dont get paid (Well not directly
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Depends on your interpritation of the word
noun (plural heroes)
A person, typically a man, who is admired for their courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities:
Ref the two parts in bold. You can certainly show courage in a football or other sporting match. Outstanding achivements? Is not being in the a competition finals or winning a competion an outstanding achievement? Considering all the millions that ever picked up a ball and tried to make it there?
Being paid millions does not come into effect when playing internationally, first you have to be selected and second you dont get paid (Well not directly
give me £1million and I'll be as courageous as any footballer that ever lived... Hero's are defined by more than just those 2 traits in my eyes. Nobility and bravery being others. How much bravery does it take to go in for a tackle knowing that the worst outcome is probably that one of you might end up rolling around on the floor pretending to be hurt for a bit?
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Depends on your interpritation of the word
noun (plural heroes)
A person, typically a man, who is admired for their courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities:
Ref the two parts in bold. You can certainly show courage in a football or other sporting match. Outstanding achivements? Is not being in the a competition finals or winning a competion an outstanding achievement? Considering all the millions that ever picked up a ball and tried to make it there?
Being paid millions does not come into effect when playing internationally, first you have to be selected and second you dont get paid (Well not directly
give me £1million and I'll be as courageous as any footballer that ever lived... Hero's are defined by more than just those 2 traits in my eyes. Nobility and bravery being others. How much bravery does it take to go in for a tackle knowing that the worst outcome is probably that one of you might end up rolling around on the floor pretending to be hurt for a bit?
Dont know if you have ever played but I am affraid from my own experiences it doesnt work like that. You pretty much either can or cant do what Scott Parker does for example. Money wouldent change that, you would need to rewrite your inner programming. The outcome of those actions can be rolling about on the floor pretending to be hurt or just like in any contact sport you can get seriously injured as often happens. Just google David Busst picture. Noble, playing for your coutry representing your nation on the field. Bravery and courage, stading in front of the 4th penalty knowing that 100's millions are watching you world wide and the result of kicking that ball may be the one moment that defines your career or even life.
From Wikipedia
Christopher Roland "Chris" Waddle (born 14 December 1960 in Felling, Tyne and Wear) is a former footballer from England. During his professional career he played for clubs including Newcastle United, Tottenham Hotspur and Sheffield Wednesday in England, and Olympique de Marseille in France. Waddle earnt 62 caps for the England national football team between 1985 and 1991, and was a member of England's squad for the 1990 FIFA World Cup, where he missed a penalty in England's shoot-out defeat to Germany in the semi-finals.
Mentioned before any of his many Achievemtns trophys and honors as his stand out career moment.
Who wouldent want the money? Still dont mean you cant be other things.
I was a pro' sportsman for a few years, albeit without acheiving either fame or fortune, and I, like many others, was basically just getting paid to do what we'd choose to do anyway, money or no money. It is true that, in general, todays sportsmen train harder than their counterparts from years gone by, but the rewards at the top are well documented, and competition to get there is fierce.
The press are what they've always been...they are responsible for the hype and hysteria in the first place, and if the bandwaggon rolls then they get on board, if it falls apart then they pick the pieces. It's propoganda at it's most basic level. The misuse of the words hero and bravery are common examples of such attempts to increase the reader's level of excitement, they're saying that these guys are doing all this for you! Yeah right!
We live in an age where people are conditioned to want fame and public exposure without ever knowing what it is or what it might mean to them and the people around them. The journalists are the scavengers who will pick the bones of anyone whom they consider might not be supported by their public.
The press are what they've always been...they are responsible for the hype and hysteria in the first place, and if the bandwaggon rolls then they get on board, if it falls apart then they pick the pieces. It's propoganda at it's most basic level. The misuse of the words hero and bravery are common examples of such attempts to increase the reader's level of excitement, they're saying that these guys are doing all this for you! Yeah right!
We live in an age where people are conditioned to want fame and public exposure without ever knowing what it is or what it might mean to them and the people around them. The journalists are the scavengers who will pick the bones of anyone whom they consider might not be supported by their public.
Here is a question ?
We are always hearing about footballers being knackered towards the end of the 90minutes, not enough strengh left to make a good run, can't catch the opposing player, give them extra time and they are dead on thier feet, Why ?
I know it's a long time to be running around a football field, but they don't all run all the time, don't they do endurance training ?
I am just watching Wimbledon, and that is why I wonder about it, some of these players have to play for hours, ok they only do short runs, but they are pretty active for the whole match, they don't have clout that ball, a few hours of that must be crippling on the arm yet for most players the speed they can make the ball travel doesn't fluctuate much from start to finnish, all that on just one arm and one arms muscles, obviously thier training prepares them for that. How come footballers can't train to endure the full 90 minutes or 120 minutes when the situation arises ?
We are always hearing about footballers being knackered towards the end of the 90minutes, not enough strengh left to make a good run, can't catch the opposing player, give them extra time and they are dead on thier feet, Why ?
I know it's a long time to be running around a football field, but they don't all run all the time, don't they do endurance training ?
I am just watching Wimbledon, and that is why I wonder about it, some of these players have to play for hours, ok they only do short runs, but they are pretty active for the whole match, they don't have clout that ball, a few hours of that must be crippling on the arm yet for most players the speed they can make the ball travel doesn't fluctuate much from start to finnish, all that on just one arm and one arms muscles, obviously thier training prepares them for that. How come footballers can't train to endure the full 90 minutes or 120 minutes when the situation arises ?
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Here is a question ?
We are always hearing about footballers being knackered towards the end of the 90minutes, not enough strengh left to make a good run, can't catch the opposing player, give them extra time and they are dead on thier feet, Why ?
I know it's a long time to be running around a football field, but they don't all run all the time, don't they do endurance training ?
I am just watching Wimbledon, and that is why I wonder about it, some of these players have to play for hours, ok they only do short runs, but they are pretty active for the whole match, they don't have clout that ball, a few hours of that must be crippling on the arm yet for most players the speed they can make the ball travel doesn't fluctuate much from start to finnish, all that on just one arm and one arms muscles, obviously thier training prepares them for that. How come footballers can't train to endure the full 90 minutes or 120 minutes when the situation arises ?
I used to think exactly the same thing once upon a time. As much as I don't like this feeling of defending football, after watching 1 game live you see that actually they are almost constantly running up and down the pitch finding a good position, marking other players etc when they don't have the ball. The camera angle you see on tv shows only a fraction of what's actually going on here. The only players who don't run about constantly are the keepers.
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Here is a question ?
We are always hearing about footballers being knackered towards the end of the 90minutes, not enough strengh left to make a good run, can't catch the opposing player, give them extra time and they are dead on thier feet, Why ?
I know it's a long time to be running around a football field, but they don't all run all the time, don't they do endurance training ?
I am just watching Wimbledon, and that is why I wonder about it, some of these players have to play for hours, ok they only do short runs, but they are pretty active for the whole match, they don't have clout that ball, a few hours of that must be crippling on the arm yet for most players the speed they can make the ball travel doesn't fluctuate much from start to finnish, all that on just one arm and one arms muscles, obviously thier training prepares them for that. How come footballers can't train to endure the full 90 minutes or 120 minutes when the situation arises ?
I used to think exactly the same thing once upon a time. As much as I don't like this feeling of defending football, after watching 1 game live you see that actually they are almost constantly running up and down the pitch finding a good position, marking other players etc when they don't have the ball. The camera angle you see on tv shows only a fraction of what's actually going on here. The only players who don't run about constantly are the keepers.
Fair point, but isn't that the same for many athletes or sportspeople, like I said the Tennis players hope to have a match over in 3 games but sometimes they go on for a lot more, they never stop moving and apart from thier legs that one arm constantly hitting the ball with a whole bagfull of force must take a lot of strain, even 3 match contests can go on for a lot longer than short 3 match contests let alone when they go on to 5 or more matches (I don't know what the maximum is).
Football seems the only sport where exhaustion seems to be acceptable even when the match only runs it's standard 90 minutes.
I accept the guy that runs the marathons was feeling tired at the end of the event, but he did run 100 marathons in 100 days (for charity not vast sums of salary)
I believe most professional players have no problem lasting for 90 minutes under their usual weather conditions. Obviously weather which is much warmer than they are used to will have an impact on their energy levels.
Extra Time is a different matter. They are being asked to run for a third longer than normal. Would a 1500 meter runner be able to sustain the same momentum if asked to run a further 500 meters or a marathon runner if asked to run a further 9 miles?
Regarding England, I think our players are knackered as they are constantly chasing the ball. Maybe we should try playing the game game WITH the ball?
Extra Time is a different matter. They are being asked to run for a third longer than normal. Would a 1500 meter runner be able to sustain the same momentum if asked to run a further 500 meters or a marathon runner if asked to run a further 9 miles?
Regarding England, I think our players are knackered as they are constantly chasing the ball. Maybe we should try playing the game game WITH the ball?
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Here is a question ?
We are always hearing about footballers being knackered towards the end of the 90minutes, not enough strengh left to make a good run, can't catch the opposing player, give them extra time and they are dead on thier feet, Why ?
I know it's a long time to be running around a football field, but they don't all run all the time, don't they do endurance training ?
I am just watching Wimbledon, and that is why I wonder about it, some of these players have to play for hours, ok they only do short runs, but they are pretty active for the whole match, they don't have clout that ball, a few hours of that must be crippling on the arm yet for most players the speed they can make the ball travel doesn't fluctuate much from start to finnish, all that on just one arm and one arms muscles, obviously thier training prepares them for that. How come footballers can't train to endure the full 90 minutes or 120 minutes when the situation arises ?
I used to think exactly the same thing once upon a time. As much as I don't like this feeling of defending football, after watching 1 game live you see that actually they are almost constantly running up and down the pitch finding a good position, marking other players etc when they don't have the ball. The camera angle you see on tv shows only a fraction of what's actually going on here. The only players who don't run about constantly are the keepers.
Fair point, but isn't that the same for many athletes or sportspeople, like I said the Tennis players hope to have a match over in 3 games but sometimes they go on for a lot more, they never stop moving and apart from thier legs that one arm constantly hitting the ball with a whole bagfull of force must take a lot of strain, even 3 match contests can go on for a lot longer than short 3 match contests let alone when they go on to 5 or more matches (I don't know what the maximum is).
Football seems the only sport where exhaustion seems to be acceptable even when the match only runs it's standard 90 minutes.
I accept the guy that runs the marathons was feeling tired at the end of the event, but he did run 100 marathons in 100 days (for charity not vast sums of salary)
I see where you're coming from. I suspect that in a sport where exaggeratedly falling over and feigning death because another person waved an arm roughly in your direction is perfectly acceptable, you'll also find a lot of exaggeration as to how much hard work is put in for that £50k per week wage they "earn".
Sex God
See article here
Interesting statistics on the link for me this bit especially
About 2/3 of the distance was covered at the low intensities of walking and jogging and around 800 meters sprinting in numerous short 10-40 meter bursts.
In my old Regiment and many other British Army Regiments we adopted the marching tactics of the original Light Infantry who had 2 speeds for marching, crawl and quick time, they would walk for 10-15 yards then jog for 10-15 yards, later they just marched consistantly at a faster pace than the standard British Army marching pace.
In the Paras we would march for a while then jog for a while, many might remember the much publicsised march they did in the Falkland Islands campaign of tabbing moving from the landing zone to Goose Green (approx 56 miles) in 3 days (nearly 20 miles a day carrying 80lb packs over seriously rough terrain then fought a battle, the Marines did a similar yomp, it is certainly a way of conserving strength and endurance which the very nature of football seems to play out naturally.
Another interesting factor in that report was the heartrate, higher when a player has the ball, adrenalin rush and heartbeat up, ok that can be a factor I suppose, but surely then individual athletes not playing in a team should have bigger problems than footballers, a tennis player for instance will be "in possession of the ball" throughout thier match so to speak.
As we speak I am watching the Portugal v Spain match, 3 minutes of extra time left, unlike in the British leagues and when England play there seems to be no mention of "tired legs" from the commentators, the players seem to be running around like its the 60th minute not the 120th, the commentator even just said they are looking very strong.
Is this therefore an English/British problem that could be a reason why we don't do so well against world teams
Latest comment "look at the pace there, 60 yards why didn't they do this an hour ago"
Now another thing, Nani is running fast, when I think about it so many of these european players play in the Premier League but get tired then yet not when playing for thier own countries it seems ?
Totally baffled
Oh well let's see if they can have a good penalty shootout lol
About 2/3 of the distance was covered at the low intensities of walking and jogging and around 800 meters sprinting in numerous short 10-40 meter bursts.
In my old Regiment and many other British Army Regiments we adopted the marching tactics of the original Light Infantry who had 2 speeds for marching, crawl and quick time, they would walk for 10-15 yards then jog for 10-15 yards, later they just marched consistantly at a faster pace than the standard British Army marching pace.
In the Paras we would march for a while then jog for a while, many might remember the much publicsised march they did in the Falkland Islands campaign of tabbing moving from the landing zone to Goose Green (approx 56 miles) in 3 days (nearly 20 miles a day carrying 80lb packs over seriously rough terrain then fought a battle, the Marines did a similar yomp, it is certainly a way of conserving strength and endurance which the very nature of football seems to play out naturally.
Another interesting factor in that report was the heartrate, higher when a player has the ball, adrenalin rush and heartbeat up, ok that can be a factor I suppose, but surely then individual athletes not playing in a team should have bigger problems than footballers, a tennis player for instance will be "in possession of the ball" throughout thier match so to speak.
As we speak I am watching the Portugal v Spain match, 3 minutes of extra time left, unlike in the British leagues and when England play there seems to be no mention of "tired legs" from the commentators, the players seem to be running around like its the 60th minute not the 120th, the commentator even just said they are looking very strong.
Is this therefore an English/British problem that could be a reason why we don't do so well against world teams
Latest comment "look at the pace there, 60 yards why didn't they do this an hour ago"
Now another thing, Nani is running fast, when I think about it so many of these european players play in the Premier League but get tired then yet not when playing for thier own countries it seems ?
Totally baffled
Oh well let's see if they can have a good penalty shootout lol
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Main problem is in the UK Football is a winter sport for which the Euro and world cups are played for normally at blistering temperatures and varying altitudes. Altitude you been mentioned lots of times at football competitions. I'll write England off for the next world cup simply because its in Brazil. Torres for example may not play in blistering heat during the UK season but he did play in it for the 15 odd years from child to Adult he spent playing in Spain and the same for many more. More considerations, the much talked about breaks in the season some countries have that we dont. The Premiership is an all round faster harder league than any of the others in Europe with more games.
Lots of considerations.
Lots of considerations.
