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Quote by kentswingers777
I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments. cool

777 sorry have to diagree the "Childrens Right" came to be in 1991
Who was in power then?
It was a european legislation enforced upon us!
Look at this link!

Has this Government not hugely ammended it then Minx? I think you will find they have....many times.
777 I believe nobody but the convention set up in the UN are allowed to change them.
All our government can do is promote and report back yearly findings of how they are working.
A convention is an agreement between countries to obey the same law. When the government of a country ratifies a convention, that means it agrees to obey the rules set out in that convention.
The link I send you is an intresting one to read and understand it is worth a read.
Quote by deancannock
[quote="kentswingers777
777 sorry have to diagree the "Childrens Right" came to be in 1991
Who was in power then?
It was a european legislation enforced upon us!
Look at this link!

Has this Government not hugely ammended it then Minx? I think you will find they have....many times.

minx is wholley correct the measures were drafted in 1991..under the last Tory administation...if you really intersted...and then came into force in 1992. There are a list of rights that a child has...none of this wording has been altered or changed since that date !!!

Actually, 'The Children Act' was 1989
"The 1989 Children Act brings Britain closer to the objectives in the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. It came into force on 14 October 1991"
Then there came the Children Act 2004 which reinforces all of the above and in particular safeguarding children.
this makes for quite an 'interesting' read... smile
Quote by Freckledbird

1. Do you believe a child should have a voice?
2. Should children be given rights?
3. Do Children really know what these rights are?
4. Couldn’t this be one of the root causes why so many Children show lack of respect?
5. Do you believe to have a voice is different from having rights?

1. Yes.
2. No - they should have basic human rights automatically, they don't need to be given. As with the rest of the population though, they need to show they deserve other rights. People have to earn respect and trust.
3. A lot of them don't.
4. The blame culture, not rights, is at fault there - they want to blame someone/win compensation when something goes wrong, or 'violates their rights'.
5. Yes.
Quote by kentswingers777
I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments. cool

Kent, we do have to deal with situations like this, and worse, on a daily basis. Last week, I was punched, kicked and scratched by a six-year old girl. My arm is still marked where the scratches have healed. She called me all kinds of delightful names too. She was excluded for three days.
Last year I was accused by a child of mistreating him and another child deliberately banged her head repeatedly on a desk, saying she was going to tell her mum I'd hit her. Fortunately, there were witnesses who heard her say this, and witnesses to prove that I had not mistreated the other child. These are examples of children who 'know their rights' - or children whose parents want to blame someone else for the poor behaviour displayed by their child.
There's a fine line between discipline and abuse, in my opinion - and I discipline without contact. I do it very well, actually. I don't want to leave myself open to being accused of anything inappropriate and violating a child's rights. I have a set of standards and expectations, which all children know that they must work to. If they don't, there is a clear procedure for dealing with the inappropriate behaviour. If that means they lose face with their mates, or their parents get a bit pissed off with me, tough. When they displayed inappropriate behaviour, they forfeited the 'right' to complain about their subsequent punishment.
I have to say, too, that I spoke to a parent about her inappropriate language in school a couple of weeks ago. She thought it was OK, as her kids were used to it - I told her it was unacceptable in school as there were other children around who might be upset by it. Other children have the right NOT to have to hear that, as do staff in school.
As always FB i read your posts with interest, that is why I wanted you to post.
If honest I did not hear anything from you that suprised me. You are a person that speaks their mind with lots of sense. xx
Quote by Phuckers
ha ha no comment

Meaning? :shock:
I think it should be mandatory that all classrooms and corridors in schools should be electronically monitored to protect the interests of Teachers particularly and all adults generally in the school environment.
These delicious little darlings have had their way far too long and far too many good honest dedicated adults have had their careers cut short by wilful malice supported by the "liberal" loonies.
Children have rights, but so do adults!
We have all read the stories of abuse and maltreat that children have suffered. The ones that come to mind are the catholic Schools in Ireland where if you believe the media (???) Priest systematically physically and sexually abused generations of children. I am also thinking of the Care situation in Jersey where it would seem the entire islands government was implicit in a cover up.
These children would I fear not be protected by people like Kent who would believe ALL children are thugs and bullies.
It is all a matter of balance. Child need to be protected as do adults. We just need to find the right balance.
Oh by the way,
Qualification for HUman Rights is a DNA thing not something you have to earn by performing to a set of arbitary rules set out by self appointed know alls
Quote by keeno
We have all read the stories of abuse and maltreat that children have suffered. The ones that come to mind are the catholic Schools in Ireland where if you believe the media (???) Priest systematically physically and sexually abused generations of children. I am also thinking of the Care situation in Jersey where it would seem the entire islands government was implicit in a cover up.
These children would I fear not be protected by people like Kent who would believe ALL children are thugs and bullies.
It is all a matter of balance. Child need to be protected as do adults. We just need to find the right balance.
Oh by the way,
Qualification for HUman Rights is a DNA thing not something you have to earn by performing to a set of arbitary rules set out by self appointed know alls

I feel that is a bit of an unfair comment Keeno.
The vast majority of kids are fine,it is as always the minority. My kids when growing up and almost all of their mates were fine, as is mrs777's kids, and their friends.
A lot of kids are being abused one way or another, and I do NOT condon any of that at all. Kids need protection from adults and the cases you highlight Keeno, make me feel saddened and sickened. The adults there should have been protecting the kids, but they let them down, probably to effect them for the rest of their lives.
Where have I ever said ALL children were bullies or thugs? Please do not make sweeping accusations that you cannot substantiate. As I have said already it is the minority that are rotten, the majority are good kids from good family backgrounds. ANY form of child abuse should be dealt with and the person involved punished!!
I may have strong views but to state that I think or have said ALL kids are awful, is so far away from the truth you would not believe. Hopefully point taken?
Quote by keeno
We have all read the stories of abuse and maltreat that children have suffered. The ones that come to mind are the catholic Schools in Ireland where if you believe the media (???) Priest systematically physically and sexually abused generations of children. I am also thinking of the Care situation in Jersey where it would seem the entire islands government was implicit in a cover up.
These children would I fear not be protected by people like Kent who would believe ALL children are thugs and bullies.
It is all a matter of balance. Child need to be protected as do adults. We just need to find the right balance.
Oh by the way,
Qualification for HUman Rights is a DNA thing not something you have to earn by performing to a set of arbitary rules set out by self appointed know alls

The Sun or the Daily Wail
bolt
Quote by GnV
We have all read the stories of abuse and maltreat that children have suffered. The ones that come to mind are the catholic Schools in Ireland where if you believe the media (???) Priest systematically physically and sexually abused generations of children. I am also thinking of the Care situation in Jersey where it would seem the entire islands government was implicit in a cover up.
These children would I fear not be protected by people like Kent who would believe ALL children are thugs and bullies.
It is all a matter of balance. Child need to be protected as do adults. We just need to find the right balance.
Oh by the way,
Qualification for HUman Rights is a DNA thing not something you have to earn by performing to a set of arbitary rules set out by self appointed know alls

The Sun or the Daily Wail
bolt
I know some people here have their entire view of the world drip fed to them via these salicious rags wink
Quote by keeno
We have all read the stories of abuse and maltreat that children have suffered. The ones that come to mind are the catholic Schools in Ireland where if you believe the media (???) Priest systematically physically and sexually abused generations of children. I am also thinking of the Care situation in Jersey where it would seem the entire islands government was implicit in a cover up.
These children would I fear not be protected by people like Kent who would believe ALL children are thugs and bullies.
It is all a matter of balance. Child need to be protected as do adults. We just need to find the right balance.
Oh by the way,
Qualification for HUman Rights is a DNA thing not something you have to earn by performing to a set of arbitary rules set out by self appointed know alls

The Sun or the Daily Wail
bolt
I know some people here have their entire view of the world drip fed to them via these salicious rags wink
Well there is a lot of " drip feeding " going on then......
Daily Mail figures 2.3 million copies per day..... The Sun figures 3.2 million copies. So between them 5.5 million people buy them per day.
Thats a lot of people buying " salicious rags " I would guess. cool
Of course children should have rights
... and rules
and standards
and reward
and appropriate comensutate punishment.
At least , in a school environment, theres an opportunity to help with their moral developement.
people are so quick to blame the kids....
I blame the adults too.
No wonder youngsters are cheeky to some adults...
The kids of today are brighter, faster, bigger, healthier,capable and have more raw talent than their parents, grandparents and their ( the adults ) contemporareries.......
Those born since the 60's or so are living out the ideas of liberty, freedom and equality that were fashioned for them by the generations that sprung up after the war.
Its also seen as "cool" to look /act/think in a certain way... and we all know how most kids will do anything to be cool.
So, to me, it's No wonder they are "cheeky" or worse to interfering, condescending,patronising lumps who abuse their so-called power to interfere,critisise and apply/bend/make/invent/suppose their (often)outdated belief systems upon them.
If you want someone to learn from you... you teach them as an equal or show them in a language that they understand... you dont force it upon them and expect that to be absorbed.
Its no wonder they easily lose respect for some of their elders when their elders are behaving in an outdated,uncool,prejudiced disrespectful manner towards them..... or the kid is just too immature to know the difference between right and wrong.
If you meet fire with fire, people only get burnt.
1) I hope this makes sense
2) i hope people take the time to hear what i am saying.
3) Im not coming back to my computer for a bit.... so "chill" if your expecting any sort of response out of me any time soon.
Quote by DeeCee
Of course children should have rights
... and rules
and standards
and reward
and appropriate comensutate punishment.
At least , in a school environment, theres an opportunity to help with their moral developement.
people are so quick to blame the kids....
I blame the adults too.
No wonder youngsters are cheeky to some adults...
The kids of today are brighter, faster, bigger, healthier,capable and have more raw talent than their parents, grandparents and their ( the adults ) contemporareries.......
Those born since the 60's or so are living out the ideas of liberty, freedom and equality that were fashioned for them by the generations that sprung up after the war.
Its also seen as "cool" to look /act/think in a certain way... and we all know how most kids will do anything to be cool.
So, to me, it's No wonder they are "cheeky" or worse to interfering, condescending,patronising lumps who abuse their so-called power to interfere,critisise and apply/bend/make/invent/suppose their (often)outdated belief systems upon them.
If you want someone to learn from you... you teach them as an equal or show them in a language that they understand... you dont force it upon them and expect that to be absorbed.
Its no wonder they easily lose respect for some of their elders when their elders are behaving in an outdated,uncool,prejudiced disrespectful manner towards them..... or the kid is just too immature to know the difference between right and wrong.
If you meet fire with fire, people only get burnt.
1) I hope this makes sense
2) i hope people take the time to hear what i am saying.
3) Im not coming back to my computer for a bit.... so "chill" if your expecting any sort of response out of me any time soon.

Actually I thought it was a very good post Deecee. cool
Quote by flower411
We have all read the stories of abuse and maltreat that children have suffered. The ones that come to mind are the catholic Schools in Ireland where if you believe the media (???) Priest systematically physically and sexually abused generations of children. I am also thinking of the Care situation in Jersey where it would seem the entire islands government was implicit in a cover up.
These children would I fear not be protected by people like Kent who would believe ALL children are thugs and bullies.
It is all a matter of balance. Child need to be protected as do adults. We just need to find the right balance.
Oh by the way,
Qualification for HUman Rights is a DNA thing not something you have to earn by performing to a set of arbitary rules set out by self appointed know alls

The Sun or the Daily Wail
bolt
I know some people here have their entire view of the world drip fed to them via these salicious rags wink
Well there is a lot of " drip feeding " going on then......
Daily Mail figures 2.3 million copies per day..... The Sun figures 3.2 million copies. So between them 5.5 million people buy them per day.
Thats a lot of people buying " salicious rags " I would guess. cool
Yeah !! And that`s one of the problems with Democracy !! People that buy these rags are still able to vote !!! rolleyes
Its all about opinions Flower....most are wrong. lol :lol:
Quote by kentswingers777
Of course children should have rights
... and rules
and standards
and reward
and appropriate comensutate punishment.
At least , in a school environment, theres an opportunity to help with their moral developement.
people are so quick to blame the kids....
I blame the adults too.
No wonder youngsters are cheeky to some adults...
The kids of today are brighter, faster, bigger, healthier,capable and have more raw talent than their parents, grandparents and their ( the adults ) contemporareries.......
Those born since the 60's or so are living out the ideas of liberty, freedom and equality that were fashioned for them by the generations that sprung up after the war.
Its also seen as "cool" to look /act/think in a certain way... and we all know how most kids will do anything to be cool.
So, to me, it's No wonder they are "cheeky" or worse to interfering, condescending,patronising lumps who abuse their so-called power to interfere,critisise and apply/bend/make/invent/suppose their (often)outdated belief systems upon them.
If you want someone to learn from you... you teach them as an equal or show them in a language that they understand... you dont force it upon them and expect that to be absorbed.
Its no wonder they easily lose respect for some of their elders when their elders are behaving in an outdated,uncool,prejudiced disrespectful manner towards them..... or the kid is just too immature to know the difference between right and wrong.
If you meet fire with fire, people only get burnt.
1) I hope this makes sense
2) i hope people take the time to hear what i am saying.
3) Im not coming back to my computer for a bit.... so "chill" if your expecting any sort of response out of me any time soon.

Actually I thought it was a very good post Deecee. cool
Good grief, I have to agree wink
I'm afraid I'm one of those people who believe in Democracy, free speech, and that people with a common interest can work together to make changes in our society and have our voices heard...blah blah blah - that,s what made me become a Community and Youth Worker. Ending up in a job where Democracy, decision making and achievement underpinned it. I've been lucky enough to be involved in some positive changes over the years. Its hard work and you don't get a pat on the back for it either, but hey - that's not why I did it!
But I'm old enough and wise enough to know that agenda's have already been made from above - some we aren't going to change or make a difference to. That's life I suppose! It doesn't stop me believing in ideals that I hold and working towards a common aim with others who believe the same.
As for children's rights - I wholeheartedly agree that they are needed for various reasons. Its about how they are used in a positive way. Yes, I have seen them being abused by youths many times - they never did get an easy life with me though and I always challenged it.
Looking from the outside in for many I can see why you think CR is a load of cod. As in all things there is a process that's gone through that is recorded but never comes to light until its needed.
I would hate to think my child was disruptive and disrespectful at school or out with his mates.
I would hope that he does have the confidence to tell someone when he feels he has been mistreated or been disrespected himself.
If someone came and told me he had been misbehaving then I would speak to him and deal with it accordingly.
I know he has good relations with his teachers at school and have met his form tutor over years at parents evenings and target settings, I know they have good banter and my son can express his ideas and feelings with this teacher but also not to take it too far with his cheekyness.
I know what people are saying though about rights,,,I mean would a dentist make you sit in the chair with one of those things to keep your mouth wide open for 10 minutes? I doubt it and if they did then after a few minutes and they hadnt come back I would be finding out where they had got to and take the bloody thing out!!! So if I wouldnt put up with it then I wouldnt expect my son to, but he did put up with it as many kids probably would,,,,,one thing I know is he wont be going in that chair again without me being there!!!
Quote by kentswingers777
ha ha no comment

Meaning? :shock:
I'd like to know that, too. confused
Quote by Freckledbird
ha ha no comment

Meaning? :shock:
I'd like to know that, too. confused
Come on Phuckers...come out from behind the curtains and tell us. lol :lol: