Should children have rights?
I had a conversation with my 12 year old daughter last night about an incident that happened at school.
She was telling me that a teacher grabbed a child and pulled him into line after she had asked him twice to line up.
She was horrified that a teacher could treat a child this way, I went onto say If this happened to one of my children I would be mortified that they didn’t do that was asked first time, so I would back the teacher.
My Daughter couldn’t believe my stance on this, and said think of the child, he must of felt embarrassed all I said was “and your point is”. She then said “he has rights and shouldn’t be treated this way”.
I then replied, if you feel you have totally rights then you should be able to leave home and live on your own. You should be able to live and do exactly what you like and fend for yourself.
Are you able to do this? Her response was “no”.
Then I said all we are here to do is to raise children to the best of our ability to be law abiding individual that have respect for others.
What did that child show that was pulled into line. She said disrespect for the teacher.
I said here lies the problem
Children think they have rights but are to young to understand what that means.
Here lies the dilemma
I believe children should have a voice
But I don’t believe they should have rights.
Do you believe a child should have a voice?
Should children be given rights?
Do Children really know what these rights are?
Couldn’t this be one of the root causes why so many Children show lack of respect?
Do you believe to have a voice is different from having rights?
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Should children have rights?
100% children should have rights. They are a human being and should be afforded the same rights of protection as any individual. You say they can't have rights because they can't think and fend for themselves. Wel what about handicapped people, they quite often have a mental age of a child. Or are we saying they don't deserve rights !!!
Now pulling a child into line is not going to violate those rights may I add. The fact is the child in this case was after attention and showing off in front of others. The teacher played straight into there hands...gave them the attention they sought and as can be seen from your own childs stance, they became to victim in the eyes of others. Had the teacher told the person to get into line or 30 mins detention was coming there way after school...and that to be extended to another 30 min detention for every time they had to tell them again..I think maybe it would have been a differant comclusion.
Now pulling a child into line is not going to violate those rights may I add. The fact is the child in this case was after attention and showing off in front of others. The teacher played straight into there hands...gave them the attention they sought and as can be seen from your own childs stance, they became to victim in the eyes of others. Had the teacher told the person to get into line or 30 mins detention was coming there way after school...and that to be extended to another 30 min detention for every time they had to tell them again..I think maybe it would have been a differant comclusion.
100% children should have rights.
I do know where you are coming from, but should children then know they have rights?
A lot of children in my opinion don't seem to know what this means, they seem to think they are except from all forms of responsibility.
I believe children should be protected from such things as violence, mental, physical and sexual abuse.
They are a human being and should be afforded the same rights of protection as any individual.
You can protect children without giving them "childens rights" this seems to instil in them that they are against any form of punishment.
You say they can't have rights because they can't think and fend for themselves.
Wel what about handicapped people, they quite often have a mental age of a child. Or are we saying they don't deserve rights !!!
Everyone deserves protection but child are aware that they have their own rights. We grew up without childrens rights, but I for one always felt the law was there to protect me.
Now pulling a child into line is not going to violate those rights may I add.
But children think it does, there lies the problem.
The fact is the child in this case was after attention and showing off in front of others. The teacher played straight into there hands...gave them the attention they sought and as can be seen from your own childs stance, they became to victim in the eyes of others. Had the teacher told the person to get into line or 30 mins detention was coming there way after school...and that to be extended to another 30 min detention for every time they had to tell them again..I think maybe it would have been a differant comclusion.
Well apparently my daughter said this lad has had five 30 mins detention plus two 1 hr ones. So I guess that wouldn’t be a deterrent for him.
What do you do in cases like that?
He only started the school in September aged 11 don’t think he will be there much longer is my guessing.
I do know where you are coming from, but should children then know they have rights?
A lot of children in my opinion don't seem to know what this means, they seem to think they are except from all forms of responsibility.
I believe children should be protected from such things as violence, mental, physical and sexual abuse.
They are a human being and should be afforded the same rights of protection as any individual.
You can protect children without giving them "childens rights" this seems to instil in them that they are against any form of punishment.
You say they can't have rights because they can't think and fend for themselves.
Wel what about handicapped people, they quite often have a mental age of a child. Or are we saying they don't deserve rights !!!
Everyone deserves protection but child are aware that they have their own rights. We grew up without childrens rights, but I for one always felt the law was there to protect me.
Now pulling a child into line is not going to violate those rights may I add.
But children think it does, there lies the problem.
The fact is the child in this case was after attention and showing off in front of others. The teacher played straight into there hands...gave them the attention they sought and as can be seen from your own childs stance, they became to victim in the eyes of others. Had the teacher told the person to get into line or 30 mins detention was coming there way after school...and that to be extended to another 30 min detention for every time they had to tell them again..I think maybe it would have been a differant comclusion.
Well apparently my daughter said this lad has had five 30 mins detention plus two 1 hr ones. So I guess that wouldn’t be a deterrent for him.
What do you do in cases like that?
He only started the school in September aged 11 don’t think he will be there much longer is my guessing.
Quote by Whipsnspurs
i think that children do have rights. however, alot also have a total disrespect for the adults around them. there is a huge difference between what a child should have and how they use that to break the rules.
they don't understand what having rights is about. all they see it as it a way to say 'you can't tell me what to do'.
well my son has rules and has been told that he has the right to say what he thinks but in the correct way if he wants to be heard. he has also been told that if he wants to live by his own rules with his 'rights' he best find a deserted island somewhere. coz that's the only way he's going to get to do that without causing problems for other people.
again all this lack of respect comes from home and peer pressure.
the world has gone mad!
whips
Whips I have read a lot of your posts and I think we are singing from the same hymn book a lot of the time.
Of course I think children should be protected but their interpretation of the "children rights" is all wrong, as they don't have the wisdom to understand them.
All children have rights, it is ridiculus to suggest that haven't.
Human Rights.
Yes children are protected under "human rights" but also they have "children’s rights" also.
Could this not confuse a child into think they are different than any other human being. I know they are younger but if they all seem to know their "Children’s right" why don't they seem to know the fundamental part of the "human rights" too
sadly these seem to some forumites to be a moveable feast depending on your behaviour. Apperently somethings exclude you from them. :cry:
I don't quiet know what this statement means, could you explain please.
Human Rights.
Yes children are protected under "human rights" but also they have "children’s rights" also.
Could this not confuse a child into think they are different than any other human being. I know they are younger but if they all seem to know their "Children’s right" why don't they seem to know the fundamental part of the "human rights" too
sadly these seem to some forumites to be a moveable feast depending on your behaviour. Apperently somethings exclude you from them. :cry:
I don't quiet know what this statement means, could you explain please.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
100% children should have rights.
I do know where you are coming from, but should children then know they have rights?
A lot of children in my opinion don't seem to know what this means, they seem to think they are except from all forms of responsibility.
I believe children should be protected from such things as violence, mental, physical and sexual abuse.
They are a human being and should be afforded the same rights of protection as any individual.
You can protect children without giving them "childens rights" this seems to instil in them that they are against any form of punishment.
You say they can't have rights because they can't think and fend for themselves.
Wel what about handicapped people, they quite often have a mental age of a child. Or are we saying they don't deserve rights !!!
Everyone deserves protection but child are aware that they have their own rights. We grew up without childrens rights, but I for one always felt the law was there to protect me.
Now pulling a child into line is not going to violate those rights may I add.
But children think it does, there lies the problem.
The fact is the child in this case was after attention and showing off in front of others. The teacher played straight into there hands...gave them the attention they sought and as can be seen from your own childs stance, they became to victim in the eyes of others. Had the teacher told the person to get into line or 30 mins detention was coming there way after school...and that to be extended to another 30 min detention for every time they had to tell them again..I think maybe it would have been a differant comclusion.
Well apparently my daughter said this lad has had five 30 mins detention plus two 1 hr ones. So I guess that wouldn’t be a deterrent for him.
What do you do in cases like that?
He only started the school in September aged 11 don’t think he will be there much longer is my guessing.
Is anything you have commented on any differant to a adult? There are adults that push bounderies and limits of there rights. There are adults that have been locked up numerous times and still continue to offend. Are you saying that me and you as 'normal' citizens should have our rights taken away from us because others don't seem to understand the rules.
Orgasminator
Yes of course children have rights, but they also need to learn that rights and responsibilities go hand in hand. They sometimes have to learn that by being irresponsible, they forfeit the right not to be humiliated in front of their classmates, or that by showing maturity and good judgement they earn the extra right to be less closely supervised. -- its all part of growing up ...
The Law at the minute very much suggests that children do have rights, The Children Act was brought about to introduce such rights.
Every individual on this planet has rights, that includes animals.
The trouble is, some kids can play on their rights when it comes to discipline, but thats for another thread :lol:
Every individual on this planet has rights, that includes animals.
The trouble is, some kids can play on their rights when it comes to discipline, but thats for another thread :lol:
Quote by Theladyisaminx
i think that children do have rights. however, alot also have a total disrespect for the adults around them. there is a huge difference between what a child should have and how they use that to break the rules.
they don't understand what having rights is about. all they see it as it a way to say 'you can't tell me what to do'.
well my son has rules and has been told that he has the right to say what he thinks but in the correct way if he wants to be heard. he has also been told that if he wants to live by his own rules with his 'rights' he best find a deserted island somewhere. coz that's the only way he's going to get to do that without causing problems for other people.
again all this lack of respect comes from home and peer pressure.
the world has gone mad!
whips
Whips I have read a lot of your posts and I think we are singing from the same hymn book a lot of the time.
Of course I think children should be protected but their interpretation of the "children rights" is all wrong, as they don't have the wisdom to understand them.
I think that statement applies to nearly everyone who posts on here simply because people have their own opinion. Minxy you indeed do the same yourself
Sexlightened
Quote by deancannock
100% children should have rights. They are a human being and should be afforded the same rights of protection as any individual. You say they can't have rights because they can't think and fend for themselves. Wel what about handicapped people, they quite often have a mental age of a child. Or are we saying they don't deserve rights !!!
Now pulling a child into line is not going to violate those rights may I add. The fact is the child in this case was after attention and showing off in front of others. The teacher played straight into there hands...gave them the attention they sought and as can be seen from your own childs stance, they became to victim in the eyes of others. Had the teacher told the person to get into line or 30 mins detention was coming there way after school...and that to be extended to another 30 min detention for every time they had to tell them again..I think maybe it would have been a differant comclusion.
and them some arse of a parent storms into school ranting about their poor child and there's no way that they're staying behind!
Nice idea, but it's unfortunately not going to happen.
Quote by jaymar
i think that children do have rights. however, alot also have a total disrespect for the adults around them. there is a huge difference between what a child should have and how they use that to break the rules.
they don't understand what having rights is about. all they see it as it a way to say 'you can't tell me what to do'.
well my son has rules and has been told that he has the right to say what he thinks but in the correct way if he wants to be heard. he has also been told that if he wants to live by his own rules with his 'rights' he best find a deserted island somewhere. coz that's the only way he's going to get to do that without causing problems for other people.
again all this lack of respect comes from home and peer pressure.
the world has gone mad!
whips
Whips I have read a lot of your posts and I think we are singing from the same hymn book a lot of the time.
Of course I think children should be protected but their interpretation of the "children rights" is all wrong, as they don't have the wisdom to understand them.
I think that statement applies to nearly everyone who posts on here simply because people have their own opinion. Minxy you indeed do the same yourself
Whoops sorry what I meant was I agree with a lot of her postings.
It must be a southern saying when you agree with someone.
Stupid saying when you think about it so I apologise for any confusion. So no I wouldn't apply to all that posts here in my opinion. But I do value others opinions.
Im feeling like expressing my own opinions today, just for the hell of it, and maybe i will be flamed, maybe not...TBH i dont really care today!
I think kids today have WAY too many rights. Its people who fall over themselves to be so right on an politically correct that have done this.
Yes children are human beings, yes they have basic human rights as any of them should....BUT there is a fundamental difference....we as adults and parents care for them from when they are born untill they are of an age when they, in effect, leave the nest.
We have to rely on our own instincts and best judgements to choose the right options for them to live their lives and to grow up into kind, loving and respectful adults. They need and should be taught manners, respect for elders, property and the rights of others.
Now Im not suggesting for one minute thatthey should have no rights and should be beaten, pressganged or forced into submission every time, or that adults should abuse their positions at any time, BUT the kids of today are only too well aware of their hyped up rights and many of those can and do play on this to the detriment of their parents, families and society in general.
How many times is a child misbehave at school and told off, or whatever, for them to spout...you cant do owt to me...i know my rights. Thus leaving the teacher with hands tied as regards to a means to sort out the problem.
The same with parents....those with 'wayward and challenging' kids (and I know there are quite a few on here that have kids like this) how many times have they had their attempts at family discipline met with....'you cant do that...i know my rights', or 'thats it...I divorce you as my parents'....or even 'you cant do that...I'll call childline!'
Giving children to many rights and therefore too much responsibility for their own action....responsibility that has no recourse.....has given them almost carte blanche to do as they want to.
I have 4 kids age 15, 11, 9 and 5, and if god forbid any of them came home having said that the teacher had had to ask them twice to do something, then bodily moved them for ignoring them, I would be 100% behind the teacher....when we send the kids to school, we do so with the understanding that they are to be in loco parentis, and deal with our children appropriately, as we would.
We have brought our kids to be mindful of adults, respectful and with good manners....doesnt always happen 100% of the time (Im not naive enough to think it does) and on the times they fall by the wayside (which having a couple of kids with behavioural difficulties) happens, we have to steer them back to the path which we as parents have had to try and map out for them without a manual or at least basic instructions in chinese with helpful diagrams!)
example...one of my kids has dyspraxia which affects his behaviour quite badly at times......he thinks he can play on this and behave badly to get out of school work......he got excluded for refusing to work, and the teacher tried within his limited confines, to get him to work....and got kicked by my child hence the exclusion.
Did he come home and watch cbeebies for 2 days or go out on his bike....did he buggery.....he was up at the normal time, dressed in his school uniform, and he completed all the work that Mr Bone had requested from the school, and more besides, from till
school were surprised he had even completed the minimal amount of work they gave him, let alone more, as its rare that any excluded child does the work given, and are usually shove outside or on a games console so as not to interfere with things.
anyways, I dont wish to blow my own trumpet...Im not a perfect parent, its a damn hard job, and one I have made many mistakes doing, and one i will probably continue to make mistakes doing, but as an adult in my kids lives, and the adults that my kids may come into contact, teachers, police, other adults in general we all have a duty to be able to maintain order and discipline, calm and direction in the childrens lives, without them running amok with the plethora of rights a minority have given them.
The removal of adults rights and the instillation of more and more kids rights is making a rod for our own backs....the generations before us, as ourselves, grew up with the respect for elders and those in positions of authority, and we strive to instill that in our own kids.....sadly fighting a losing battle as the more things that kids can get away with without fear of a penalty, will just snowball into future generations so that maybe one day, noone will have to, or even be bothered to follow rules, regulations and laws, because someone somewhere decided they didnt have too.
addendum...i understand there are kids that need protecting from nasty mean, cruel and bad adults, and I for one am fully behind any and all legislation that prevents this, I write the above post from a point of view of a 'normal' parent with 'normal' kids who are loved and cherished and hopefully going to grow up as smart, well adjusted, self assured adults, who will pass on similar values to their kids.
*gets down off soap box and leaves thread for a toilet break*
I think kids today have WAY too many rights. Its people who fall over themselves to be so right on an politically correct that have done this.
Yes children are human beings, yes they have basic human rights as any of them should....BUT there is a fundamental difference....we as adults and parents care for them from when they are born untill they are of an age when they, in effect, leave the nest.
We have to rely on our own instincts and best judgements to choose the right options for them to live their lives and to grow up into kind, loving and respectful adults. They need and should be taught manners, respect for elders, property and the rights of others.
Now Im not suggesting for one minute thatthey should have no rights and should be beaten, pressganged or forced into submission every time, or that adults should abuse their positions at any time, BUT the kids of today are only too well aware of their hyped up rights and many of those can and do play on this to the detriment of their parents, families and society in general.
How many times is a child misbehave at school and told off, or whatever, for them to spout...you cant do owt to me...i know my rights. Thus leaving the teacher with hands tied as regards to a means to sort out the problem.
The same with parents....those with 'wayward and challenging' kids (and I know there are quite a few on here that have kids like this) how many times have they had their attempts at family discipline met with....'you cant do that...i know my rights', or 'thats it...I divorce you as my parents'....or even 'you cant do that...I'll call childline!'
Giving children to many rights and therefore too much responsibility for their own action....responsibility that has no recourse.....has given them almost carte blanche to do as they want to.
I have 4 kids age 15, 11, 9 and 5, and if god forbid any of them came home having said that the teacher had had to ask them twice to do something, then bodily moved them for ignoring them, I would be 100% behind the teacher....when we send the kids to school, we do so with the understanding that they are to be in loco parentis, and deal with our children appropriately, as we would.
We have brought our kids to be mindful of adults, respectful and with good manners....doesnt always happen 100% of the time (Im not naive enough to think it does) and on the times they fall by the wayside (which having a couple of kids with behavioural difficulties) happens, we have to steer them back to the path which we as parents have had to try and map out for them without a manual or at least basic instructions in chinese with helpful diagrams!)
example...one of my kids has dyspraxia which affects his behaviour quite badly at times......he thinks he can play on this and behave badly to get out of school work......he got excluded for refusing to work, and the teacher tried within his limited confines, to get him to work....and got kicked by my child hence the exclusion.
Did he come home and watch cbeebies for 2 days or go out on his bike....did he buggery.....he was up at the normal time, dressed in his school uniform, and he completed all the work that Mr Bone had requested from the school, and more besides, from till
school were surprised he had even completed the minimal amount of work they gave him, let alone more, as its rare that any excluded child does the work given, and are usually shove outside or on a games console so as not to interfere with things.
anyways, I dont wish to blow my own trumpet...Im not a perfect parent, its a damn hard job, and one I have made many mistakes doing, and one i will probably continue to make mistakes doing, but as an adult in my kids lives, and the adults that my kids may come into contact, teachers, police, other adults in general we all have a duty to be able to maintain order and discipline, calm and direction in the childrens lives, without them running amok with the plethora of rights a minority have given them.
The removal of adults rights and the instillation of more and more kids rights is making a rod for our own backs....the generations before us, as ourselves, grew up with the respect for elders and those in positions of authority, and we strive to instill that in our own kids.....sadly fighting a losing battle as the more things that kids can get away with without fear of a penalty, will just snowball into future generations so that maybe one day, noone will have to, or even be bothered to follow rules, regulations and laws, because someone somewhere decided they didnt have too.
addendum...i understand there are kids that need protecting from nasty mean, cruel and bad adults, and I for one am fully behind any and all legislation that prevents this, I write the above post from a point of view of a 'normal' parent with 'normal' kids who are loved and cherished and hopefully going to grow up as smart, well adjusted, self assured adults, who will pass on similar values to their kids.
*gets down off soap box and leaves thread for a toilet break*
ops:Quote by deancannock
100% children should have rights.
I do know where you are coming from, but should children then know they have rights?
A lot of children in my opinion don't seem to know what this means, they seem to think they are except from all forms of responsibility.
I believe children should be protected from such things as violence, mental, physical and sexual abuse.
They are a human being and should be afforded the same rights of protection as any individual.
You can protect children without giving them "childens rights" this seems to instil in them that they are against any form of punishment.
You say they can't have rights because they can't think and fend for themselves.
Wel what about handicapped people, they quite often have a mental age of a child. Or are we saying they don't deserve rights !!!
Everyone deserves protection but child are aware that they have their own rights. We grew up without childrens rights, but I for one always felt the law was there to protect me.
Now pulling a child into line is not going to violate those rights may I add.
But children think it does, there lies the problem.
The fact is the child in this case was after attention and showing off in front of others. The teacher played straight into there hands...gave them the attention they sought and as can be seen from your own childs stance, they became to victim in the eyes of others. Had the teacher told the person to get into line or 30 mins detention was coming there way after school...and that to be extended to another 30 min detention for every time they had to tell them again..I think maybe it would have been a differant comclusion.
Well apparently my daughter said this lad has had five 30 mins detention plus two 1 hr ones. So I guess that wouldn’t be a deterrent for him.
What do you do in cases like that?
He only started the school in September aged 11 don’t think he will be there much longer is my guessing.
Is anything you have commented on any differant to a adult? There are adults that push bounderies and limits of there rights. There are adults that have been locked up numerous times and still continue to offend. Are you saying that me and you as 'normal' citizens should have our rights taken away from us because others don't seem to understand the rules.
Yes I believe I am
Adults in my opinion are different to children, here seems to lie the problem.
Adults should be educated enough and have the knowledge to know that to abuse anyone's "human rights" they suffer the consequences and be punished accordingly.
I know there are many adults sadly that are not educated enough to know right from wrong.
Children to me are different they are not born with a level of education that an adult should have, they are not born with the wisdom of knowing right from wrong, so we as adults all have a duty in society to teach them surely.
But when you are asking a child to do something they don’t want to do, for them to then turn around and say you can not make me!
It is true we can not make them do anything they don't want to do.
So where do we go from here?
Most children seem to think that they are untouchable not only from their parents but from the law too, because if a parent can't make them do something, how
the hell is anyone else?
Children don't seem to know about the “ human rights” but do throw the "Children’s rights" in your face at the first opportunity. So many Children are jumping on this bandwagon.
We all know why "Children's rights come into being to protect Children in our society that have been abused mentally physically or sexually, and I agree these vulnerable children should totally be protected.
I am lucky I educate my children and as yet have no problems as I teach them both rights human and children’s, I explain what both stand for.
But I bet there are a lot of children that don't understand that the two go together.
I hope this makes some sense.
Quote by Bonedigger
Im feeling like expressing my own opinions today, just for the hell of it, and maybe i will be flamed, maybe not...TBH i dont really care today!
I think kids today have WAY too many rights. Its people who fall over themselves to be so right on an politically correct that have done this.
Yes children are human beings, yes they have basic human rights as any of them should....BUT there is a fundamental difference....we as adults and parents care for them from when they are born untill they are of an age when they, in effect, leave the nest.
We have to rely on our own instincts and best judgements to choose the right options for them to live their lives and to grow up into kind, loving and respectful adults. They need and should be taught manners, respect for elders, property and the rights of others.
Now Im not suggesting for one minute thatthey should have no rights and should be beaten, pressganged or forced into submission every time, or that adults should abuse their positions at any time, BUT the kids of today are only too well aware of their hyped up rights and many of those can and do play on this to the detriment of their parents, families and society in general.
How many times is a child misbehave at school and told off, or whatever, for them to spout...you cant do owt to me...i know my rights. Thus leaving the teacher with hands tied as regards to a means to sort out the problem.
The same with parents....those with 'wayward and challenging' kids (and I know there are quite a few on here that have kids like this) how many times have they had their attempts at family discipline met with....'you cant do that...i know my rights', or 'thats it...I divorce you as my parents'....or even 'you cant do that...I'll call childline!'
Giving children to many rights and therefore too much responsibility for their own action....responsibility that has no recourse.....has given them almost carte blanche to do as they want to.
I have 4 kids age 15, 11, 9 and 5, and if god forbid any of them came home having said that the teacher had had to ask them twice to do something, then bodily moved them for ignoring them, I would be 100% behind the teacher....when we send the kids to school, we do so with the understanding that they are to be in loco parentis, and deal with our children appropriately, as we would.
We have brought our kids to be mindful of adults, respectful and with good manners....doesnt always happen 100% of the time (Im not naive enough to think it does) and on the times they fall by the wayside (which having a couple of kids with behavioural difficulties) happens, we have to steer them back to the path which we as parents have had to try and map out for them without a manual or at least basic instructions in chinese with helpful diagrams!)
example...one of my kids has dyspraxia which affects his behaviour quite badly at times......he thinks he can play on this and behave badly to get out of school work......he got excluded for refusing to work, and the teacher tried within his limited confines, to get him to work....and got kicked by my child hence the exclusion.
Did he come home and watch cbeebies for 2 days or go out on his bike....did he buggery.....he was up at the normal time, dressed in his school uniform, and he completed all the work that Mr Bone had requested from the school, and more besides, from till
school were surprised he had even completed the minimal amount of work they gave him, let alone more, as its rare that any excluded child does the work given, and are usually shove outside or on a games console so as not to interfere with things.
anyways, I dont wish to blow my own trumpet...Im not a perfect parent, its a damn hard job, and one I have made many mistakes doing, and one i will probably continue to make mistakes doing, but as an adult in my kids lives, and the adults that my kids may come into contact, teachers, police, other adults in general we all have a duty to be able to maintain order and discipline, calm and direction in the childrens lives, without them running amok with the plethora of rights a minority have given them.
The removal of adults rights and the instillation of more and more kids rights is making a rod for our own backs....the generations before us, as ourselves, grew up with the respect for elders and those in positions of authority, and we strive to instill that in our own kids.....sadly fighting a losing battle as the more things that kids can get away with without fear of a penalty, will just snowball into future generations so that maybe one day, noone will have to, or even be bothered to follow rules, regulations and laws, because someone somewhere decided they didnt have too.
addendum...i understand there are kids that need protecting from nasty mean, cruel and bad adults, and I for one am fully behind any and all legislation that prevents this, I write the above post from a point of view of a 'normal' parent with 'normal' kids who are loved and cherished and hopefully going to grow up as smart, well adjusted, self assured adults, who will pass on similar values to their kids.
*gets down off soap box and leaves thread for a toilet break*
:thumbup: Great post, I couldn't have worded it better myself.
I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
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I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
*insertfaintyemoticon* omg I agree with kent :shock:
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I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
*insertfaintyemoticon* omg I agree with kent :shock:
Anything that has life must have automatic rights from the moment of creation,we have rights for environment,rights for animals why not rights for children this rights are not only to protect children but to prevent the child abusers from violating the little ones privilleges in the fact that most kids this days are not discplined shouldnt be a reason for scrapping their rights and freedoms...children rights must respected and protected at all costs its the fundamental basics of training them into independent adulthood
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I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Where ya been Phuckers...on holiday?
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
*insertfaintyemoticon* omg I agree with kent :shock:
Anything that has life must have automatic rights from the moment of creation,we have rights for environment,rights for animals why not rights for children this rights are not only to protect children but to prevent the child abusers from violating the little ones privilleges in the fact that most kids this days are not discplined shouldnt be a reason for scrapping their rights and freedoms...children rights must respected and protected at all costs its the fundamental basics of training them into independent adulthood
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I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
*insertfaintyemoticon* omg I agree with kent :shock:
Its happens to everyone eventually.....see I was right all along.
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I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
777 sorry have to diagree the "Childrens Right" came to be in 1991
Who was in power then?
It was a european legislation enforced upon us!
Look at this link!
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I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
777 sorry have to diagree the "Childrens Right" came to be in 1991
Who was in power then?
It was a european legislation enforced upon us!
Look at this link!
Has this Government not hugely ammended it then Minx? I think you will find they have....many times.
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1. Do you believe a child should have a voice?
2. Should children be given rights?
3. Do Children really know what these rights are?
4. Couldn’t this be one of the root causes why so many Children show lack of respect?
5. Do you believe to have a voice is different from having rights?
1. Yes.
2. No - they should have basic human rights automatically, they don't need to be given. As with the rest of the population though, they need to show they deserve other rights. People have to earn respect and trust.
3. A lot of them don't.
4. The blame culture, not rights, is at fault there - they want to blame someone/win compensation when something goes wrong, or 'violates their rights'.
5. Yes.
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I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
Kent, we do have to deal with situations like this, and worse, on a daily basis. Last week, I was punched, kicked and scratched by a six-year old girl. My arm is still marked where the scratches have healed. She called me all kinds of delightful names too. She was excluded for three days.
Last year I was accused by a child of mistreating him and another child deliberately banged her head repeatedly on a desk, saying she was going to tell her mum I'd hit her. Fortunately, there were witnesses who heard her say this, and witnesses to prove that I had not mistreated the other child. These are examples of children who 'know their rights' - or children whose parents want to blame someone else for the poor behaviour displayed by their child.
There's a fine line between discipline and abuse, in my opinion - and I discipline without contact. I do it very well, actually. I don't want to leave myself open to being accused of anything inappropriate and violating a child's rights. I have a set of standards and expectations, which all children know that they must work to. If they don't, there is a clear procedure for dealing with the inappropriate behaviour. If that means they lose face with their mates, or their parents get a bit pissed off with me, tough. When they displayed inappropriate behaviour, they forfeited the 'right' to complain about their subsequent punishment.
I have to say, too, that I spoke to a parent about her inappropriate language in school a couple of weeks ago. She thought it was OK, as her kids were used to it - I told her it was unacceptable in school as there were other children around who might be upset by it. Other children have the right NOT to have to hear that, as do staff in school.
Children should have a right to voice their opinions, and they should have human rights however alot of children know what rights they have and how to manipulate them.
I would be horrified if my child was badly behaved at school but I would be equally horrified if a teacher man handled my child. It has happened to my little one for no apparent reason, in front of me. I did complain to the school and it was dealt with accordingly.
I would be horrified if my child was badly behaved at school but I would be equally horrified if a teacher man handled my child. It has happened to my little one for no apparent reason, in front of me. I did complain to the school and it was dealt with accordingly.
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777 sorry have to diagree the "Childrens Right" came to be in 1991
Who was in power then?
It was a european legislation enforced upon us!
Look at this link!
Has this Government not hugely ammended it then Minx? I think you will find they have....many times.
minx is wholley correct the measures were drafted in 1991..under the last Tory administation...if you really intersted...and then came into force in 1992. There are a list of rights that a child has...none of this wording has been altered or changed since that date !!!
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depends on the subject, if you say children should not have rights then you are basically saying people can do what the hell they want to them because they have no rights, so in that case i have to say yes children should and must have rights.
If you read the whole thread nobody is saying people can do what the hell they like to them.
And if the "childrens rights" were removed all children would still be protected umder "human rights"
The "children rights" were set up to protect children that were being abused. Not all children are being abused, but most think the Childrens rights are there to abuse.