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The above link is a story in the news where a mother has asked doctors to preform a hysterectomy on her 15 year old daughter who has cerebral palsy. The doctors are seeking legal permission as the girl cannot give consent. Im the first to admit that I don`t know anything about this condition other than it is a life long condition.
The daughters mother is requesting the hysterectomy so that her daughter doesn`t have to go through periods and all thats comes with it.
From what I have read in the article the daughter cannot speak for herself or make her own decisions. Im guessing that the mother would have to assist her daughter in using the toilet so would therefor be the one who "deals" with the periods (in the hygine sense).
Im a little split on what I think about it all, I can see where the mother is coming from in that periods are not pleasent, for anyone so I would imagine it would be a whole lot worse if you couldn`t clean your self of say how you were feeling. But I also know that having a hysterectomy is a huge opperation with a lenghty recovery time.
Another part of me feels that the mother has cared for her child for 15 years and would only be doing what she thought was best for daughter. Im sure the mother hasn`t taken the decision lightly.
It doesn`t say in the article what type of cerebal palsy the daughter has but here is a link that tells you about the condition.

Anyway if you can understand my ramblings, what are your thoughts?.
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I saw these two on tv this morning and I have to say that I think the mother should be given the go ahead to get this done for her daughter. For being the important word here.
As you have said, the mother has looked after her for 15 years and im sure she knows what is best for her child.
She said this morning, periods or not, the care she gives her daughter would remain the same. Its just that she wants a better quality of life for her daughter.
Keeping her womb is going to make no difference to her as she will never be able to have children but getting rid of it will improve her quality of life as she wont have the indignity of being cleaned up or have the mood swings/pain that she has when she has them.
Im sure, there will be lots of different opinions on this subject, but as with all the opinions, they are only ours.
Louise xx
i saw it this morning too, personally i dont think i could comment on it as i have never been in the situation they are in, i do believe shes is wanting it done for her childs best interest tho, after all periods arnt very nice for the best of us imagine having someone fiddling with your pants every month while you grumpy and got cramp and not fully understanding whats going off or being able to moan at anyone about it.
I'm a bit unsure of this one.. does having cerebal palsey mean you cannot bear a child?
I personally think these operations should only be performed if the persons own personal health is at risk if they become pregnant for example. As to having periods isn't that just an inconvenience or is the mother worried she'l fall pregnant?
There's huge ethical debates on parents requesting operations like this one and also sterilisation for children with learning difficulties.
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Where did my post go? :shock:

I posted it in the lmu by accident redface it is in there. :lol2:
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Where did my post go? :shock:

I posted it in the lmu by accident redface it is in there. :lol2:
Ahhhhh maybe a mod will merge them later then. biggrin
Alternatively, I could delete it if anyone objects to it.
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Where did my post go? :shock:

I posted it in the lmu by accident redface it is in there. :lol2:
Ahhhhh maybe a mod will merge them later then. biggrin
Alternatively, I could delete it if anyone objects to it.
I was going to delete my post in there but didnt want to as you had posted on it already.
Bloody hell, this is a difficult one!
First, I don't think anyone should sit in judgement of the mother. She obviously has the interests of her daughter at heart. She's cleaned her and cared for her for 15 years so dealing with periods is unlikely to be a factor, I reckon.
I can also see her point about her daughter not growing up to be a 'normal' (sorry) adult. She won't. The trauma of dealing with the hysterectomy as opposed to dealing with periods is questionable. If she's unable to say how she feels, she's also unlikely to be embarrassed and any pain/discomfort can be dealt with. Many women do have trouble-free, regular periods. The operation is medically unnecessary.
Whatever happens, it will set a precedent. The notion that all/any disabled children be physically prevented from reproducing is an awful prospect. Many disabled people do have able children and live full, happy lives. Where does it stop if this is allowed? Do we neuter all blind/deaf children? If that were to happen, would we then go one step further and let children born disabled, die?
I think, overall, it shouldn't be approved. There are people who care for her. When her parents no longer can, other people will assume that responsibility.
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I'm a bit unsure of this one.. does having cerebal palsey mean you cannot bear a child?
I personally think these operations should only be performed if the persons own personal health is at risk if they become pregnant for example. As to having periods isn't that just an inconvenience or is the mother worried she'l fall pregnant?
There's huge ethical debates on parents requesting operations like this one and also sterilisation for children with learning difficulties.

I don`t think the condition would stop you from having a child but I would guess that if she was to become pregnant it would be an extreamly difficult time and I would guess that depending on how severe the cerebal palsy was it would be extreamly difficult to raise a child. (is that what you meant or have I read it wrong? lol)
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Where did my post go? :shock:

Ditto! confused
Quote by jaymar
I'm a bit unsure of this one.. does having cerebal palsey mean you cannot bear a child?

I can see where you're coming from- and I don't know. However, surely if she is incapable of consenting to the op, she cannot consent to sex dunno
I personally think these operations should only be performed if the persons own personal health is at risk if they become pregnant for example. As to having periods isn't that just an inconvenience or is the mother worried she'l fall pregnant?
There's huge ethical debates on parents requesting operations like this one and also sterilisation for children with learning difficulties.

Agreed that the mum doubtless has her childs interests at heart. Agreed too that the implications could be far reaching & unsavoury. However, looking at the bigger picture doesn't help them through as individuals on a day to day basis.
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Where did my post go? :shock:

Ditto! confused
:shock: I found mine and moved it now though.
I think cases like this all have to be judged on an individual basis. Its no use creating a blanket law saying anyone with....for exapmlpe cerebral palsy must be sterilised and their next of kin can make the decision, as CB has many different levels of severity.
What is evident that the mother loves her daughter, and is seeking to do the best for her, but also she is right in seeking to also make her life easier in caring for her daughter.
I apllaud anyone who can make such a hard decision, and there but for the grace of god go any of us.
Quote by jaymar
I'm a bit unsure of this one.. does having cerebal palsey mean you cannot bear a child?

no it does not but what it does mean is you can never be of sound mind to consent to allowing anyone to have sex with you, i would be very very worried if someone with cerebal palsey got pregnant confused
tricky!
personal opinion,on the theme of the thread, and not the case in discussion, as I haven't as yet read the news item, and don't know either parent or child.
no, an invasive medical proceedure should not be carried out for the covenience of anotherif there is no medical reason for the proceedure in the prospective patient.
I have an interest in this area, and will read the article, I'll also be following the case, and it's legal implications.
debates like this can show the extremes of human emotional perception, moral standing, and down right foolishness... I love 'em.
but feel strongly for those involved. Never easy to *do the right thing*.
lp
Quote by winchwench
I'm a bit unsure of this one.. does having cerebal palsey mean you cannot bear a child?

I can see where you're coming from- and I don't know. However, surely if she is incapable of consenting to the op, she cannot consent to sex dunno
I personally think these operations should only be performed if the persons own personal health is at risk if they become pregnant for example. As to having periods isn't that just an inconvenience or is the mother worried she'l fall pregnant?
There's huge ethical debates on parents requesting operations like this one and also sterilisation for children with learning difficulties.

Agreed that the mum doubtless has her childs interests at heart. Agreed too that the implications could be far reaching & unsavoury. However, looking at the bigger picture doesn't help them through as individuals on a day to day basis.
Yep I agree and of course the mother could have advocacy rights also.
hi all
we have a daughter with cerebal palsy and we have often wondered what we are going 2 do this is a very hard situation 2 be in has we want the best for our daughter like the mother in question our daughter would never know the facts of life and would not understand what is happening to her body,but in the same mind we are not sure if it is the right path 2 go down
janenjohn
Quote by janenjohn
hi all
we have a daughter with cerebal palsy and we have often wondered what we are going 2 do this is a very hard situation 2 be in has we want the best for our daughter like the mother in question our daughter would never know the facts of life and would not understand what is happening to her body,but in the same mind we are not sure if it is the right path 2 go down
janenjohn

Hi guys, thanks for adding your thoughts to what must be a tough thread for you, and :welcome: to SH wink
Quote by winchwench
hi all
we have a daughter with cerebal palsy and we have often wondered what we are going 2 do this is a very hard situation 2 be in has we want the best for our daughter like the mother in question our daughter would never know the facts of life and would not understand what is happening to her body,but in the same mind we are not sure if it is the right path 2 go down
janenjohn

Hi guys, thanks for adding your thoughts to what must be a tough thread for you, and :welcome: to SH wink
Just wanted to echo what winchwench said. biggrin.
I was just wondering if there is any other way of surpressing periods/puberty without having to undergo a hysterectomy?.
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hi all
we have a daughter with cerebal palsy and we have often wondered what we are going 2 do this is a very hard situation 2 be in has we want the best for our daughter like the mother in question our daughter would never know the facts of life and would not understand what is happening to her body,but in the same mind we are not sure if it is the right path 2 go down
janenjohn

Hi guys, thanks for adding your thoughts to what must be a tough thread for you, and :welcome: to SH wink
Just wanted to echo what winchwench said. biggrin.
And me - I wouldn't like to be in your shoes sad I can't imagine what I'd do, to be honest.
Welcome to the forum though. :D
Quote by lyns
I was just wondering if there is any other way of surpressing periods/puberty without having to undergo a hysterectomy?.

Don't know about puberty but if you take the Pill continuously you don't bleed do you? That might be a possibility, although I'd imagine they've discussed that with the doctors.
Quote by lyns
hi all
we have a daughter with cerebal palsy and we have often wondered what we are going 2 do this is a very hard situation 2 be in has we want the best for our daughter like the mother in question our daughter would never know the facts of life and would not understand what is happening to her body,but in the same mind we are not sure if it is the right path 2 go down
janenjohn

Hi guys, thanks for adding your thoughts to what must be a tough thread for you, and :welcome: to SH wink
Just wanted to echo what winchwench said. biggrin.
and me kiss
Quote by Freckledbird
I was just wondering if there is any other way of surpressing periods/puberty without having to undergo a hysterectomy?.

Don't know about puberty but if you take the Pill continuously you don't bleed do you? That might be a possibility, although I'd imagine they've discussed that with the doctors.
Yes I think there's an injection that stops you bleeding indefinitely.
Quote by jaymar
I was just wondering if there is any other way of surpressing periods/puberty without having to undergo a hysterectomy?.

Don't know about puberty but if you take the Pill continuously you don't bleed do you? That might be a possibility, although I'd imagine they've discussed that with the doctors.
Yes I think there's an injection that stops you bleeding indefinitely.
Maybe the mother has already explored all the avenues of taking medication to suppress the periods, I just think if it an option its got to be worth a try before the daughter undergoing major surgery! dunno
My Brother has cerebral palsy (he's in his 50's now) and my parents or sisters have never ever thought of him having the snip! Not the same maybe as he's male??????? confused:
Although, he cant talk or walk, after many years of trial and error ways have been found for him to communicate what hes feeling/wants etc. He can make his own decisions on any medical proceedures he may need. He manages his own budget and choses how he wants his room decorated, what activities he wants to do etc etc and is forever chasing the ladies...the bugga! :lol2: :lol2:
He has excellent care though, they've known him a very long time. He has an excellent quality of life (now), even though his disability is severe.
I also worked in a day unit with men and women with cerebal palsy, all with varying degree's of pyscial and mental ability. One of the *more vocal* young women I knew dearly wanted children. She knew it would be difficuilt for her to find someone to share her life with, never mind trying to concieve and give birth. Her family, would be fully supportive if it did happen (but yes probably still worry about her).
Its hard work being the parent of a child with a disability, especially if they have other children as well. They love and care for them in ways no other parents do. Im sure this young womens mother has her best interests at heart.
I still have a problem with it though. Personally, if there is no medical reason for it, I dont think it should be done! They must be other medical ways to help a young women without having to undergo surgery???
xanaisx
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I was just wondering if there is any other way of surpressing periods/puberty without having to undergo a hysterectomy?.

Don't know about puberty but if you take the Pill continuously you don't bleed do you? That might be a possibility, although I'd imagine they've discussed that with the doctors.
Yes I think there's an injection that stops you bleeding indefinitely.
Maybe the mother has already explored all the avenues of taking medication to suppress the periods, I just think if it an option its got to be worth a try before the daughter undergoing major surgery! dunno
I've just seen about this on the news and the mother said that she had looked at other options such as that pill but was worried about the increased risk of thrombosis.
I'm not sure what my opinion is on the topic but my heart does to out to the girl and her family, it's hard to imagine what it's like to be in a position like that.
tricky case but personally i would go ahead with the hysterectomy i grew up with a girl who was severly autistic amongst other things she is 27 and cant talk only babble and has very little if any understanding of the world and her parents and doctors agreed when she was 14 to give her a hysterectomy the decision was not taken lightly by her parents but at the end of the day they had tried everything they could and for 2 weeks of every month she was extremely violent and jerky and would have to be sedated (which again was unfair she had a bad enough life without being sedated)after the hysterectomy she has never needed to be sedated so in that case it was the right thing to do
and every case is different what is right for one family wouldnt work for another
So in her case, Tan - could it be said that it was medically necessary?