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Quote by corriefem
I am a female who has had 4 kids and have always worked or had grants when I was a student so have not had state support (except grants) since I was 16.
Do I think I did it the right way? - actually NO.
I think that my children would have benefitted more from having my time not my money and I actually believe that we create the society we deserve by raising expectations that we can work, have children and contribute the the wealth of the state and create the next generation all at once.
Yes I think 15 children is extreme but as many couples are now moving away from having children then I am not going to be worried about the odd family who do this.
Lets not kid ourselves that we are a perfect world by any means and many people not working these days have so many other issues to deal with i would not want to trade places with them at all.
We need to have children and that should be something that is part of what we expect to pay for even if we choose not to have them ourselves.
This is just a personal opinion of a woman who has held down at one time 4 jobs + lodgers to give her kids the best. She forgot as she said earlier was all they really wanted was her time...................................... oh by the way they are nice kids lol
Best post to a fantastic thread
Nice one Corrie and Polo or vice versa...
:thumbup: As a single working mother of 2 I am disgusted by state spongers. I work 4 days a week and volunteer my spare time to my childrens' school one day a week.
They are my children, why should someone else have to pay to raise them ? Their Dad pays his way (fortunately) and I earn a decent wage so they (and me) get the life they should.
I had to claim benefits for a short period when my youngest was a baby and I can honestly say I have never felt so humilated in my life. Having always worked it was degrading and depressing to have to rely on the state to pay for my childrens' nappies.
What I don't understand about the work shy is how they can settle for the standard of life they are forced into by claiming benefits? I think I must have received about £80 a week for a toddler and a baby. £80 a week these days hardly covers my weekly grocery bill! Never mind bills. Ok, so maybe if you don't work you get housing benefit and council tax benefit- but still what kind of life can you offer even one child in receipt of such a low income? Let alone the morals and self-esteem of earning ones' own money.
I don't have everything I want for my children..I doubt I ever will because the goalposts keep moving..BUT I have a steady, dependable income of my own, 16 years until the house we live in is mine, my own car, life assurance, I have my pride and self-esteem and my children have a reasonable role model to look up to..give me that over state handouts anyday ;)
Minx x x
They are my children, why should someone else have to pay to raise them ? Their Dad pays his way (fortunately) and I earn a decent wage so they (and me) get the life they should.
I had to claim benefits for a short period when my youngest was a baby and I can honestly say I have never felt so humilated in my life. Having always worked it was degrading and depressing to have to rely on the state to pay for my childrens' nappies.
What I don't understand about the work shy is how they can settle for the standard of life they are forced into by claiming benefits? I think I must have received about £80 a week for a toddler and a baby. £80 a week these days hardly covers my weekly grocery bill! Never mind bills. Ok, so maybe if you don't work you get housing benefit and council tax benefit- but still what kind of life can you offer even one child in receipt of such a low income? Let alone the morals and self-esteem of earning ones' own money.
I don't have everything I want for my children..I doubt I ever will because the goalposts keep moving..BUT I have a steady, dependable income of my own, 16 years until the house we live in is mine, my own car, life assurance, I have my pride and self-esteem and my children have a reasonable role model to look up to..give me that over state handouts anyday ;)
Minx x x
I know I am very late in adding to thispost but i have to get this off my chest.......
I totally disagree with having to pay my tax's to people that have so many children and do not work.
My husband was made redundant last year ( along with out son in law as they worked at the same place) I have worked since i was 16 and so has mike we are both now approaching 40 so i feel we had paid a fortune into the system yet mike had to go to the job center and register as unemployed, because I also work he was told he wasnt entitled to anything at all and I had to support him.
My son in law who had just had a baby the month before was told he had to live off my daughters maternity allowance.
Now fair enough i earn about 30 K a year which may sound alot but when you have two cars, a house and a lifestyle we are used to is not easy at all most things were looking like they would have to go but mike did get a new job asap ( but take into account we live in a small place and the company made 30 people redundant at the same time all qualified for the same job so were all chasing the jobs that were out there) so all is fine
In my son in law and daughters case they rent their home but are not entitled to any help at all with it no financial support nothing not even anything besides the family alllowance for the baby. They are a young couple and i feel they have their heads screwd on and live in the real world Unlike so many do nowadays and got their prioritys in order they bought what the baby needed paid the rent and shopped at netto's they didnt have a penny left over for any nice things for themselves but they managed and have come out the other end stronger than ever I am so proud of them i could bust sometimes. But one thing they did do was to ensure another baby did not happen theycould have taken the easy route and just turned into a baby machine and then both stayed home all the time living off the state but no My son in law is back in work My daughter is Back in work and the baby isnt even a year old untill next week but they will not sit back and let anyone else pay for the child they decided to have. Good on ya I say............(knows some will be against putting your child into daycare and say a mothers place is in the home but....... say it I worked when she was a baby and she turned out ok)
So what gets my goat is .. You work all your life ( so far) something like redundancy happens and there is no help at all yet you are the people that have paid the most in........
I totally disagree with having to pay my tax's to people that have so many children and do not work.
My husband was made redundant last year ( along with out son in law as they worked at the same place) I have worked since i was 16 and so has mike we are both now approaching 40 so i feel we had paid a fortune into the system yet mike had to go to the job center and register as unemployed, because I also work he was told he wasnt entitled to anything at all and I had to support him.
My son in law who had just had a baby the month before was told he had to live off my daughters maternity allowance.
Now fair enough i earn about 30 K a year which may sound alot but when you have two cars, a house and a lifestyle we are used to is not easy at all most things were looking like they would have to go but mike did get a new job asap ( but take into account we live in a small place and the company made 30 people redundant at the same time all qualified for the same job so were all chasing the jobs that were out there) so all is fine
In my son in law and daughters case they rent their home but are not entitled to any help at all with it no financial support nothing not even anything besides the family alllowance for the baby. They are a young couple and i feel they have their heads screwd on and live in the real world Unlike so many do nowadays and got their prioritys in order they bought what the baby needed paid the rent and shopped at netto's they didnt have a penny left over for any nice things for themselves but they managed and have come out the other end stronger than ever I am so proud of them i could bust sometimes. But one thing they did do was to ensure another baby did not happen theycould have taken the easy route and just turned into a baby machine and then both stayed home all the time living off the state but no My son in law is back in work My daughter is Back in work and the baby isnt even a year old untill next week but they will not sit back and let anyone else pay for the child they decided to have. Good on ya I say............(knows some will be against putting your child into daycare and say a mothers place is in the home but....... say it I worked when she was a baby and she turned out ok)
So what gets my goat is .. You work all your life ( so far) something like redundancy happens and there is no help at all yet you are the people that have paid the most in........
Quote by biwelshminx
as a single working mother of 2 i am disgusted by state spongers
Quote by biwelshminx
I had to claim benefits for a short period when my youngest was a baby and I can honestly say I have never felt so humilated in my life. Having always worked it was degrading and depressing to have to rely on the state to pay for my childrens' nappies.
i have read this thread and think there are some good and bad points...
i am one of the so called spongers you are all talking about, since leaving school i have worked and paid my taxes, up until 6 months ago when i had to move very quickly for reasons i will not go into here. so moved away from my job and completely turned my daughters life upside down i now don't work as i have chosen to spend as much time with my little girl as possible in this difficult time, i paid taxes for years and do not find it shameful or humiliating and definitely NOT DEGRADING to say I'm on benefits, like i have said i have paid taxes all my working life so why cant i get some of them back in this difficult time iv chosen to focus on my daughter at a time when she needs me most is that so bad
now i have no plans to stay on this forever in fact come June i will not be on benefits as my new partner who lives the other side of the country will be moving up here and we will be starting our own business together and will be paying taxes till they come out of our ears then 
.as for answering the original question of this thread NO i don't think people should have so many kids and rely on state benefits to bring them up. if you want so many kids then pay for them.
I diddent have a choice when my kids were 5 months and 3 1/2 years old.
i def diddent put myself in the situation of haveing to go on state benafits.
i had no choice but to do that.
was i supose to stay in a violent marrage?
just so i wasent liveing on benafits?
its not easy when your on benifits.
i chose to have kids when i got married, not to get benifits.
now i work in a shop with my otherhalf.
and i like to think i work hard.
yes i agree some girls do get pregnent just to get a flat and money from the state.
and thats wrong.
And i know of one family with 4 kids all daughters only got pregnent again just so council would give them a 4 bedroom house.
now that is very wrong in my eyes.
i def diddent put myself in the situation of haveing to go on state benafits.
i had no choice but to do that.
was i supose to stay in a violent marrage?
just so i wasent liveing on benafits?
its not easy when your on benifits.
i chose to have kids when i got married, not to get benifits.
now i work in a shop with my otherhalf.
and i like to think i work hard.
yes i agree some girls do get pregnent just to get a flat and money from the state.
and thats wrong.
And i know of one family with 4 kids all daughters only got pregnent again just so council would give them a 4 bedroom house.
now that is very wrong in my eyes.
Sex God
we would love to have another child but ...... we cant afford it! 
we dont have the money to be able to buy a biiger house ( which we would need if we were to have another child), we dont have the cash to pay for someone to look after our baby whilst we are at work and we dont have the finances to provide all the things a new baby would ned.
we just know its not financially feasable for us to bring another life into the world and be able to provide for it. so guess what.................. we had to behave like adults and say. if we can not afford it, we cant have it!
bollox to all this "freedom of choice" about if these people want to have 15 kids then they can, maybe if we were not paying for people like that, perhaps we would be able to afford to have a baby of our own!
yes, we could say. lets give up work and have the state provide for us and our potential children but we dont believe in using other people.
i dont agree that state benifits should be stopped, i think that people should get them if they need them, in situations where they have lost their jobs, are too sick to work or other extenuating situations etc, but to actively put yourself in a position where you know you cant support yourself and keep on adding to it by breeding is taking the piss!
maybe if these people did not know they had the rest of us to pay for them, they would have thought twice before popping the kids out!
i am not critisinzing people who have a lot of children who they are supporting, and THEN find themselves on benifits through no fault of their own, i am refering to people who dont and wont work, but despite that still feel that they have the moral right to keep adding to the tax payers problems.
we dont have the money to be able to buy a biiger house ( which we would need if we were to have another child), we dont have the cash to pay for someone to look after our baby whilst we are at work and we dont have the finances to provide all the things a new baby would ned.
we just know its not financially feasable for us to bring another life into the world and be able to provide for it. so guess what.................. we had to behave like adults and say. if we can not afford it, we cant have it!
bollox to all this "freedom of choice" about if these people want to have 15 kids then they can, maybe if we were not paying for people like that, perhaps we would be able to afford to have a baby of our own!
yes, we could say. lets give up work and have the state provide for us and our potential children but we dont believe in using other people.
i dont agree that state benifits should be stopped, i think that people should get them if they need them, in situations where they have lost their jobs, are too sick to work or other extenuating situations etc, but to actively put yourself in a position where you know you cant support yourself and keep on adding to it by breeding is taking the piss!
maybe if these people did not know they had the rest of us to pay for them, they would have thought twice before popping the kids out!
i am not critisinzing people who have a lot of children who they are supporting, and THEN find themselves on benifits through no fault of their own, i am refering to people who dont and wont work, but despite that still feel that they have the moral right to keep adding to the tax payers problems.
Sex God
thats another thing re. the sky thing
how is it accepatabke that people who sit at home alld ay and put nothing into sociaty can sometimes have a better standard of living that people who work their arses off!
maybe a solution would be to say, ""yes you have no cash and we wont leave you destitute, therefor we will pay your utility bills etc and give you foodstamps, anything else is not essetial and so is a luxury that you can get if you work for it."
if the standard of living was not favourably comparable to to the standard of living of people who work, then maybe it would not be such a appealing choice.
how is it accepatabke that people who sit at home alld ay and put nothing into sociaty can sometimes have a better standard of living that people who work their arses off!
maybe a solution would be to say, ""yes you have no cash and we wont leave you destitute, therefor we will pay your utility bills etc and give you foodstamps, anything else is not essetial and so is a luxury that you can get if you work for it."
if the standard of living was not favourably comparable to to the standard of living of people who work, then maybe it would not be such a appealing choice.
Quote by cplbbw
as a single working mother of 2 i am disgusted by state spongers
Quote by biwelshminx
I had to claim benefits for a short period when my youngest was a baby and I can honestly say I have never felt so humilated in my life. Having always worked it was degrading and depressing to have to rely on the state to pay for my childrens' nappies.
i have read this thread and think there are some good and bad points...
i am one of the so called spongers you are all talking about, since leaving school i have worked and paid my taxes, up until 6 months ago when i had to move very quickly for reasons i will not go into here. so moved away from my job and completely turned my daughters life upside down i now don't work as i have chosen to spend as much time with my little girl as possible in this difficult time, i paid taxes for years and do not find it shameful or humiliating and definitely NOT DEGRADING to say I'm on benefits, like i have said i have paid taxes all my working life so why cant i get some of them back in this difficult time iv chosen to focus on my daughter at a time when she needs me most is that so bad
now i have no plans to stay on this forever in fact come June i will not be on benefits as my new partner who lives the other side of the country will be moving up here and we will be starting our own business together and will be paying taxes till they come out of our ears then .as for answering the original question of this thread NO i don't think people should have so many kids and rely on state benefits to bring them up. if you want so many kids then pay for them.
CplBBw,
I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. I was referring to people who are work-shy as it said in my post-people who have never worked, have no intention of ever working and are content to live off handouts.
You don't seem to fit into that category as you have worked and intend to return to work when your situation improves.
I am happy that you don't find claiming degrading-I did-everybody is different, it was a particularly bad time for me when I was out of work and having to rely on the state to support me was the proverbial straw.
Minx x x
i think there is nothing degrading by claiming benefits when it is under the right circumstances
this is deffo not a case of being a sponger i was in the same situation as u here hun so my heart goes out to u
There are many that are work shy out there....breeding like there is no tomorrow
I have 2 luvly kids and work full time.....altho at the moment i am on the sick (which is genuine) and it is times like this that I really wished that i didnt work.......at the moment all i am entitled to is SSP...which at £57 does not go far believe me...thank god i have a great family that are behind me all the way. When at work I am only around £60 better off for working.........but that is my choice.
In China couples are only given benefit for the one child....now im not saying that we shud go to that system as all it does is fill up the orphanages with unwanted baby girls....but i do feel that there should be a cut off point of how many children we can claim benefit for...and b4 any1 jumps on me, there needs to be in that system for people who have worked all their lives and have had to go onto benefit for reasons beyond their control.
i am one of the so called spongers you are all talking about, since leaving school i have worked and paid my taxes, up until 6 months ago when i had to move very quickly for reasons i will not go into here. so moved away from my job and completely turned my daughters life upside down i now don't work as i have chosen to spend as much time with my little girl as possible in this difficult time
this is deffo not a case of being a sponger i was in the same situation as u here hun so my heart goes out to u
There are many that are work shy out there....breeding like there is no tomorrow
I have 2 luvly kids and work full time.....altho at the moment i am on the sick (which is genuine) and it is times like this that I really wished that i didnt work.......at the moment all i am entitled to is SSP...which at £57 does not go far believe me...thank god i have a great family that are behind me all the way. When at work I am only around £60 better off for working.........but that is my choice.
In China couples are only given benefit for the one child....now im not saying that we shud go to that system as all it does is fill up the orphanages with unwanted baby girls....but i do feel that there should be a cut off point of how many children we can claim benefit for...and b4 any1 jumps on me, there needs to be in that system for people who have worked all their lives and have had to go onto benefit for reasons beyond their control.
Sex God
my blood is boiling een more now~!!
article in one of todays papers about a woman who has 13 kids and has never done a days work in her life.
she now has a new toyboy so is saying its likely she will be having more with him!!!!
she was compalining about the amount of benifits she gets as she says she would like to buy her children better stuff and complaining that the council have not offered her a bigger house.
to top it all off she then said how she liked vodka and coke and had 2 nights out a week as she felt it was her right and she deserved it!
i fecking wish WE would afford 2 nights out a week after paying the mortgage and bills!!!!!!
article in one of todays papers about a woman who has 13 kids and has never done a days work in her life.
she now has a new toyboy so is saying its likely she will be having more with him!!!!
she was compalining about the amount of benifits she gets as she says she would like to buy her children better stuff and complaining that the council have not offered her a bigger house.
to top it all off she then said how she liked vodka and coke and had 2 nights out a week as she felt it was her right and she deserved it!
i fecking wish WE would afford 2 nights out a week after paying the mortgage and bills!!!!!!
