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Singledom and swinging: Does it make it harder?

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This is something I've been thinking about for a little while and haven't come to any definate answers about it but.......
Does being a single swinger make it harder or easier to find a partner......?
I guess that it was when HD first launched that I started to think about this really, but is dating in the vanilla world easier that in the swingers world. I guess the first thing to ask yourself is whether you could give up the lifestyle if you met someone who wasn't interested in swinging. My personal answer to that is no, as I could never entirely give up the idea of having intimate relations with another woman and so I could not be with a man who was totally against this.
After that there are soo many other factors that come into play such as what your 'swingdate' also looks for whilst they are playing not just your own needs, so not only do you have to be compatible in the 'dating' sense but also in what your other wants and needs are. How far you're willing to stretch your own boundries to please your other half?
I know that everyones perspective on this will be different as they are looking at it from different views but I think it would be interesting to hear........
The perspective I'm coming from, I was a single and am now part of a couple, for myself this was relatively easy as I met someone who I instantly clicked with, who wanted the same things as me.
I know this topic kinda rules out the couples here who have made a joint decision as an existing couple to get into swinging, but if you are in that situation, and the worst were to hapen and you parted for whatever reason, would you look for someone else who you could swing with or would youj happily go back to the vanilla world of dating (I know that there are a lot of 'ifs and buts' in this question).
I`m single now, I was part of a swinging couple and we split but I cant go back to vanilla dating. It does nothing for me at all.
I`m hoping that somewhere along the line I`ll meet somebody while I`m playing who`s single and up for more. The swinging community is becoming larger and not so hidden anymore so hopefully this will make it easier. But as you`ve said, both our needs have to be compatible.
I have a profile on a vanilla website and it gets no interest at all. I have so much more fun on here, vanilla life if definitely not for me.
I look forward to reading everybody elses replies later.
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I`m single now, I was part of a swinging couple and we split but I cant go back to vanilla dating. It does nothing for me at all.
I`m hoping that somewhere along the line I`ll meet somebody while I`m playing who`s single and up for more. The swinging community is becoming larger and not so hidden anymore so hopefully this will make it easier. But as you`ve said, both our needs have to be compatible.
I have a profile on a vanilla website and it gets no interest at all. I have so much more fun on here, vanilla life if definitely not for me.
I look forward to reading everybody elses replies later.

my thoughts exactly.
I guess its hard to tell at this stage as I've only been single for a few weeks, obviously I am hoping to find a swing partner in the long run, but having read many many negative reports from the single guy community, i'm not holding my breath.
as for one off meets etc, no luck so far but hoping that is about to change.
i found it easier as a single, as the person you are swinging with only has to click with one person
as a couple all four have to click with each other or it simply wont work, not for me anyway which can make it more difficult.
i came on the scene as a single with no ideas or intentions of partnering up with someone or becoming a couple, i just found someone i clicked really well with, he felt the same and it was a complete whirlwind and we were a couple within no time that was august and not looked back since.
Earthy xx
I would date someone who wasn't into swinging or was,the person is what matters either way,but it would more likely be someone who wasn't I reckon because I am finding it nigh on impossible to find anyone here who wants to try swinging with me anyway but such is the scheme of things,SH has so many of us single males and so fewer single women and couples and that's just a fact of life lol!
im a single swinger and although i have loads of fun as a single i suppose I would really like to be in a swinging relationship - its always nice to have that someone to go home to and with lol. As a single swinger everything has to be planned and the whole issue of feeling safe sometimes makes it less fun. Trouble i find is that whenever u mention the dreaded 'relationship' word everyone seems to change the subject or just say there want nsa. Im bbw so dating whether it be swinging or non swinging is a little harder cos not all guys (and i have no problem with this, we all have our preferences) like the bigger girls.
As i enjoy swinging and dont want to give it up at the moment I thought it would be easier to date within swiniging then to meet guys 'normally' and then try to bring up the whole subject of swinging
Runtie
If I were to suddenly not be part of a couple I would carry on as a single bi fem and have loads of sexual fun. I know you can never say never but I would have absolutely no intention of ever marrying again or of having the sort of relationship with anyone else that I have with Stormy. So for me I would have the occasional swinging session and enjoy it but not have to have the relationship probs that can come with committment. I have never been alone since the age of 15 and would probably want to find time to practise living alone and maybe even enjoying my own company.
Love
Fire xx
PS Very thought provoking thread Kate kiss
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If I were to suddenly not be part of a couple I would carry on as a single bi fem and have loads of sexual fun. I know you can never say never but I would have absolutely no intention of ever marrying again or of having the sort of relationship with anyone else that I have with Stormy. So for me I would have the occasional swinging session and enjoy it but not have to have the relationship probs that can come with committment. I have never been alone since the age of 15 and would probably want to find time to practise living alone and maybe even enjoying my own company.
Love
Fire xx
PS Very thought provoking thread Kate kiss

same here hun, from 13 to 33 i was with someone constantly, i have spent the last 4 n half years on my own and love it, i still have this pleasure even as part of a couple as we dont live near each other so leaves my weeks free and weekends belong to him
Earthy xx
If I met the man of my dreams in the vanilla world ( yes George Clooney is single again now wink ) I would be honest with him about my sexuality and swinging.
Whether I would give this lifestyle up for him, I don't know. It would depend if I loved him enough to make that sort of change to my life.
I'm sure there ARE guys out there that don't like swinging but I can't see one saying to me 'the thought of you having sex with another woman really turns me off' confused There again, who knows what will happen in my life in 6 weeks, 6 months or 6 years dunno
It's one of those questions that I couldn't answer until it happens.
i was married for a long period of time and have just spent the last 2 years as a single and tbh i have enjoyed the freedom and the lack of restrictions that yuo get with single life...it has its downsides too but as i see it the glass is always half full!!
at the same time i have come to enjoy swinging as much as vanila life, but have a balance between the two...as i dont wish to give either up.
as for the future..single life will continue as i do enjoy it and enjoy the peoplel i meet but it would be nice to have a swinging partner... am not looking for a new full time partner but would like the best of both worlds.. a FB with extras lol by that i mean someone that would also take part in my vanilla life as wellas my swinging life...is that impossible to find on here?
RWL
xx
Great topic Kate. Whatever I say here I will not please everyone but, that's life.
I'm here because I want to swing however, my wife does not and I respect her decission. At the time of joining I thought that there was a glimmer of hope but that is dashed for now. Still remain here because I love the commuinty and all that you stand for.
I also remain here because there might just be someone who is compatible with me, of the fairer sex, that I can experiance this with. Haven't met anyone yet and not in a rush to. If it's going to happen it will. I know this won't go down well with the married / couples but I am honest and up front. After all, how many single males or females are actually single? Additionally, how many people are having affairs that have emotional conent etc and all the things that come with it.
This is something I have longed for ever since puberty and now with the help of SH I may at some point experience this with like minded people who know exactly what the desired outcome will be.
You all should understand this as there would be no such thing as SH and as pretty much all of the people here that have swung before, would not go back to vanilla dating because they are being true to themselves and their inner self rather than a perception of a sexual deviant who would shag anyone. Surely if this was the case it would be easier to go out on a Friday night give out a few lines and pull someone.
I know that's slightly different but there you are & I know we are all different. I respect the people here and please respect me for being me.
Refreshingly honest post Jamie :thumbup:
There's a double entendre in this thread topic, I swear, I just can't put my finger on it...
Maybe if I squint a bit... No, it's gone.
Cheers
CotN
I find that it always makes it harder.........
but is that just the effect that I have ?
redface
in edit. damn CotN got there first. rolleyes
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In edit. damn CotN got there first. rolleyes

Tch, my apologies, wherever are my manners - ladies first and all that. You werea bit slow off the mark today though, must be the cold weather.
Next time there is a blatant opportunity for a bit of thread-based punning or general smart-aresery I'll be sure to point it out to you first rather than blundering in willy-nilly like a typical bloke.
Cheers
CotN
Quote by splendid33
I find that it always makes it harder.........
but is that just the effect that I have ?
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in edit. damn CotN got there first. rolleyes

<<<<<< check here for living proof of the above statement :inlove:
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In edit. damn CotN got there first. rolleyes

Tch, my apologies, wherever are my manners - ladies first and all that. You werea bit slow off the mark today though, must be the cold weather.
Next time there is a blatant opportunity for a bit of thread-based punning or general smart-aresery I'll be sure to point it out to you first rather than blundering in willy-nilly like a typical bloke.
Cheers
CotN
I do so appreciate your support. I always find being a mere female that I struggle to be humourous. It is probably because I am too busy filing my nails and making dinner for my soon to arrive husband. And not forgetting the make-up I need to apply so I don't scare him when he has had a hard day at work.
I shall await your venture into my PM box to point out said opportunities.
:roll:
:shock:
Personally I am finding it easier since being single smile
I agree with Earthy's point that there is maybe more chance as a single as there are less people to 'click' than as a couple. Also I am finding that I have more choice and indeed more opportunity for swinging now-I can meet single blokes if I choose too, I don't have to wait for a partner to decide if he feels like a meet this weekend. rolleyes
It does make things a bit more nerve-wracking turning up on your own, but that's just something I am going to have to get used to ;)
Minx x x
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In edit. damn CotN got there first. rolleyes

Tch, my apologies, wherever are my manners - ladies first and all that. You werea bit slow off the mark today though, must be the cold weather.
Next time there is a blatant opportunity for a bit of thread-based punning or general smart-aresery I'll be sure to point it out to you first rather than blundering in willy-nilly like a typical bloke.
Cheers
CotN
It might be just me, but the above looks like a bit of a 'non houmerous' dig
probably is me dunno just seems to have an undertone, i do hope i'm wrong confused:
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In edit. damn CotN got there first. rolleyes

Tch, my apologies, wherever are my manners - ladies first and all that. You werea bit slow off the mark today though, must be the cold weather.
Next time there is a blatant opportunity for a bit of thread-based punning or general smart-aresery I'll be sure to point it out to you first rather than blundering in willy-nilly like a typical bloke.
Cheers
CotN
It might be just me, but the above looks like a bit of a 'non houmerous' dig
probably is me dunno just seems to have an undertone, i do hope i'm wrong confused:
I thought that it was pretty humourous... but I think that my humour is as dry as CotNs' (If you look at all of his posts' Pete he is a pretty dry humoured person)
divven't worry I wear DM's and have a shaved head :shock: I can take on all comers... (no pun intended of course)
I so want to be really dry now and make fun of CotNs' single man status and how he can't afford to crush single womens' toes etc etc... But I won't. Cos I am a lady.
in edit : I apologise for hi-jacking the thread with my lighthearted frippery... now lets' get on and answer kates' questions.
I find being single in this scene can actually be a little lonely at times. No, I am being all sad and pathetic. What I mean by that is ....
When I go to a meet with a couple they at least have each other to help calm their nerves. I only have myself. They only have one person to try and open up to and 'impress', I have two. Then if things do work and we click, they have someone to share the memory with and maybe get some enjoyment out of those memories with. I go home alone and that's it.
Would I date someone who wasn't into this lifestyle? Probably not. It has taken me 34 years to be able to truely open up to myself about what I enjoy and what I want. I feel I would be cheating myself ( and that potential vanilla partner ) by pretending any different. The obvious goal would be to find a guy that I totally clicked with who was already in this lifestyle and who would then continue to enjoy it as a couple with me. My only concern would be that if I met him in this lifestyle would we both be able to give up the advantages that a single person has to then go it together as a couple. I don't know. Just rambling by this poiunt I think. Time to shut up Abi. ;)
Would just like to add to my above post that I am not ruling out that I might meet the woman of my dreams instead of the guy of my dreams ... lol.
hi abilene
just wanted to say i couldnt have put it better myself hun - although being a single does have its advantages i dont think many couples realise how lonely and difficult it can also be for singles
Runtie
Quote by Cock of the North
... rather than blundering in willy-nilly like a typical bloke.

I have never know you blunder your willy into anything like a typical bloke :rascal:
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Personally I am finding it easier since being single smile
.... Also I am finding that I have more choice...

:thumbup:
I dont find being a single looking for a single hard as much as i find not being a confident sort makes it harder.
Also as i dont actually look very hard i havent really noticed if it does make it harder lol
As an ex single fem I have to say I found it easier on my own, not that I find it particularly hard now, just I didn't have to worry about anyone but myself. (God that sounds selfish and not quite right but I hope you'll know what I mean)
As an upshot of my past history I have to say that when we play with singles I do concentrate more on making sure the person we're playing with is relaxed, comfortable and happy, after all I know that my other half won't hold back and he'll tell me if something feels amiss and I know how nerve wracking it is to play as a single.
I consider myself very lucky that I met my other half on the scene. We clicked immediately and never put any ultimatums on each other. The way we swing has evolved over the past 11 months into something that we're both comfortable with and that suits us both. Like all relationships it will probably continue to evolve and change over time.
OK now I'm rambling so I'll shut up now lol
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- although being a single does have its advantages i dont think many couples realise how lonely and difficult it can also be for singles
Runtie

Amen to that!
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Would just like to add to my above post that I am not ruling out that I might meet the woman of my dreams instead of the guy of my dreams ... lol.

In an ideal world I'd like to meet one of each but then I have always been a greedy girl! Goes off to order The Ethical Slut....
Are some of you ready for a bit of a shock ?
I'd rather be single.
As a swingle, I had many more opportunities to play.
Whether that be one on one (let's leave that debate alone) or with a couple, be they a "permanent/established" couple or fuck buddies that got together to play; or a threesome with two girls, or me another guy and a girl; or a foursome made up of four "strangers" (for want of a better term) or a "couple" plus a girlie plus me.
As swingle, it's very, very easy to be 'selfish' and please oneself. Go out and look for/get what youwant. If by doing so, you also happen to give pleasure, fun and play to someone else along the way - all the betterer.
If I were (as a single) to start aflirting and atarting now, or at 1am, or make or receive a phone call/ /msn thing, and it "developed" - I could just simply jump in my car and go (for it)
At a munch, if I clicked with someone - known to me or not, same applies.
I think all couples know the "ins and outs" of all four (or three x 3) needing to click/be attracted.
Being a swingle is easy.
Being a couple takes much more thinking about, organising, planning etc etc etc.
In edit
Bollox :doh:
I may have misunderstood the question. But I've typed it out now so you can damn well read it ! ! ! !
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