Regarding Police action in the Jill Dando murder, it will no doubt all depend on what comes up from the bringing of the re-trail against Barry George. To be frank, I would have prefered that he had been freed altogether.
In general, there have been too many mis-carriages of justice in this country. On the question of the police, I think that they are merely a mirror of the society that they police - I think the attitude of authority is wrong - sadly, it stems from a flawed organisational culture that goes well beyond the criminal justice system - but that is another story!
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Sex God
Quote by de_sade
but also the countless others languishing in jails across this Country and in other Countries across the World wrongfully imprisoned; many of whom will never set foot as a free person outside of a jail again in their lifetime...
I wonder if the police will bother reopening the Dando case now...
Good post.
1st point....I said as much in another thread which has since been removed.
2nd Point...I would have thought the police will have no choice but to reopen the case now.
I havent seen the news yet but another poster has said, Barry George hasnt yet been released, surely if the conviction is unsafe, he should be released pronto and return to court for the re-trial
Sex God
Quote by dekntan
they wont release him until the retrial finds him innocent otherwise just opening up a can of worms that could end in him hiding from the police etc and not showing up for the court etc etc.
So in that case they could 'tag' him. News on now,conviction quoshed so whats happened to inocent until proven guilty?
Sex God
Agreeing with you totally for the first half of your post. The second part hmmmm. I can see where your coming from as it does seem that injustice from the police, and maybe the judiciary seems to be on the increase. Although is it really?
Is it more to do with the amount of information given too or received by Joe Public is greater and that Joe public is, by and large less prone to propaganda? Or Maybe more prone!
Do you really think that the policing service is more morally corrupt. Maybe society is more morally corrupt giving weight to the adage 'society gets the police force it deserves'?
My view is that the police service becomes more segregated and less integrated within society more and more. This then breeds a sort of feeling of esclusivity amongst those of us looking in. The loss of the neighbourhood bobby is still felt as its a loss in recent history. One i think can never be replaced.
I support the police service and think I understand why it is the way it is. Society has. I believe. irretrievably lost the social fabric and cohesion it once had. Maybe at the expense of the individual comfort we now have
And most definately a hear hear for those who have suffered the the wrongs inflicted upon post.
Is it more to do with the amount of information given too or received by Joe Public is greater and that Joe public is, by and large less prone to propaganda? Or Maybe more prone!
Do you really think that the policing service is more morally corrupt. Maybe society is more morally corrupt giving weight to the adage 'society gets the police force it deserves'?
My view is that the police service becomes more segregated and less integrated within society more and more. This then breeds a sort of feeling of esclusivity amongst those of us looking in. The loss of the neighbourhood bobby is still felt as its a loss in recent history. One i think can never be replaced.
I support the police service and think I understand why it is the way it is. Society has. I believe. irretrievably lost the social fabric and cohesion it once had. Maybe at the expense of the individual comfort we now have
And most definately a hear hear for those who have suffered the the wrongs inflicted upon post.
Quote by helnheaven
they wont release him until the retrial finds him innocent otherwise just opening up a can of worms that could end in him hiding from the police etc and not showing up for the court etc etc.
So in that case they could 'tag' him. News on now,conviction quoshed so whats happened to inocent until proven guilty?
tags are not very purposefull (not the right word but cant think of it) there was a big hype about them a few months ago if i remember right the tag is attached to a box at the persons home and signals are sent between the 2 and then signals sent from the box to a control center. the box can only tell you if someone is home or not, not their location away from home (might be wrong but this is what i seem to remember) someone who can say better will be along soon
Sex God
Quote by dekntan
they wont release him until the retrial finds him innocent otherwise just opening up a can of worms that could end in him hiding from the police etc and not showing up for the court etc etc.
So in that case they could 'tag' him. News on now,conviction quoshed so whats happened to inocent until proven guilty?
tags are not very purposefull (not the right word but cant think of it) there was a big hype about them a few months ago if i remember right the tag is attached to a box at the persons home and signals are sent between the 2 and then signals sent from the box to a control center. the box can only tell you if someone is home or not, not their location away from home (might be wrong but this is what i seem to remember) someone who can say better will be along soon
Have i heard mention somewhere of voluntary electronic implants. Placed under the skin and monitored 24/7 or is that a bad B movie i watched
Quote by Lost
Agreeing with you totally for the first half of your post. The second part hmmmm. I can see where your coming from as it does seem that injustice from the police, and maybe the judiciary seems to be on the increase. Although is it really?
Is it more to do with the amount of information given too or received by Joe Public is greater and that Joe public is, by and large less prone to propaganda? Or Maybe more prone!
Do you really think that the policing service is more morally corrupt. Maybe society is more morally corrupt giving weight to the adage 'society gets the police force it deserves'?
My view is that the police service becomes more segregated and less integrated within society more and more. This then breeds a sort of feeling of esclusivity amongst those of us looking in. The loss of the neighbourhood bobby is still felt as its a loss in recent history. One i think can never be replaced.
I support the police service and think I understand why it is the way it is. Society has. I believe. irretrievably lost the social fabric and cohesion it once had. Maybe at the expense of the individual comfort we now have
And most definately a hear hear for those who have suffered the the wrongs inflicted upon post.
Hi Lost,
As I said above, the police are only a mirror of the society they police. The problems stem from right accross the spectrum.
Good post by the way - Plim
Quote by Lost
they wont release him until the retrial finds him innocent otherwise just opening up a can of worms that could end in him hiding from the police etc and not showing up for the court etc etc.
So in that case they could 'tag' him. News on now,conviction quoshed so whats happened to inocent until proven guilty?
tags are not very purposefull (not the right word but cant think of it) there was a big hype about them a few months ago if i remember right the tag is attached to a box at the persons home and signals are sent between the 2 and then signals sent from the box to a control center. the box can only tell you if someone is home or not, not their location away from home (might be wrong but this is what i seem to remember) someone who can say better will be along soon
Have i heard mention somewhere of voluntary electronic implants. Placed under the skin and monitored 24/7 or is that a bad B movie i watched
not sure ive never heard of it but there again ive never heard of alot of things 
:lol: Quote by winchwench
I would imagine that him being inside awaiting his retrial is no different to someone being on remand
I'm not passing judgment either way as I'm not privy to the facts, but- can you imagine the outrage if he was released now & committed another crime?
and/or found guilty a second time of this murder
Quote by Mr-Powers
they wont release him until the retrial finds him innocent otherwise just opening up a can of worms that could end in him hiding from the police etc and not showing up for the court etc etc.
that would really prove his innocence...doing a runner!
Just my opinions of why he hasnt been released i could be miles out
and even innocent people can run for fear of something
Quote by dekntan
they wont release him until the retrial finds him innocent otherwise just opening up a can of worms that could end in him hiding from the police etc and not showing up for the court etc etc.
that would really prove his innocence...doing a runner!
Just my opinions of why he hasnt been released i could be miles out
and even innocent people can run for fear of something
your miles out!
he was remanded in custody...his lawyers made no application for bail!....yet!
Quote by Mr-Powers
they wont release him until the retrial finds him innocent otherwise just opening up a can of worms that could end in him hiding from the police etc and not showing up for the court etc etc.
that would really prove his innocence...doing a runner!
Just my opinions of why he hasnt been released i could be miles out
and even innocent people can run for fear of something
your miles out!
he was remanded in custody...his lawyers made no application for bail!....yet!
ah im always wrong.....
wheres me rock
the law has found him guilty once ,but he has been given a chance to prove otherwise,not many get this opportunity for such type of crime...public opinion must not be let to interfere with the process of law otherwise Dando's friends and family will be victims again........i hate to say it but anything you say out of court will make no differnce on this case.
this is not an opinion but a fact
this is not an opinion but a fact
I remind you that Barry George has not been wrongly imprisoned. The verdict is simply considered unsafe.
In this case it seems that the defence failed to test the significances of evidence. The evidence is not in question, just what it does or does not prove, and that is a question for a jury.
In this case it seems that the defence failed to test the significances of evidence. The evidence is not in question, just what it does or does not prove, and that is a question for a jury.
remember this case?
Stefan Kiszko was convicted in 1976 of the sexual assault and murder of an 11-year old Lesley Molseed in 1975. He spent 16 years in prison before he was released in 1992, after a long campaign by his mother. He died of a heart attack the following year at the age of 41. His mother died a few months later. In 2007, Ronald Castree, of Shaw, near Oldham, was found to have the same DNA as Lesley's attacker and was convicted at Bradford Crown Court. He was sentenced to life imprisonment.
(Wikipedia)
It is tragic when this happens but on the other hand, how many times has a murderer/ /abuser been let off though lack of evidence, technicality or even simple error of judgement on the part of jurors?
I've always been for bringing back capitol punishment but it's cases like this one that always sways me back again. Without subjecting the accused to a truth serum or lie detector test, there will always be these miscarriages of justice unfortunately
Stefan Kiszko was convicted in 1976 of the sexual assault and murder of an 11-year old Lesley Molseed in 1975. He spent 16 years in prison before he was released in 1992, after a long campaign by his mother. He died of a heart attack the following year at the age of 41. His mother died a few months later. In 2007, Ronald Castree, of Shaw, near Oldham, was found to have the same DNA as Lesley's attacker and was convicted at Bradford Crown Court. He was sentenced to life imprisonment.
(Wikipedia)
It is tragic when this happens but on the other hand, how many times has a murderer/ /abuser been let off though lack of evidence, technicality or even simple error of judgement on the part of jurors?
I've always been for bringing back capitol punishment but it's cases like this one that always sways me back again. Without subjecting the accused to a truth serum or lie detector test, there will always be these miscarriages of justice unfortunately
Sex God
Quote by Sassy-Seren
In 2007, Ronald Castree, of Shaw, near Oldham, was found to have the same DNA as Lesley's attacker
(Wikipedia)
Sorry but I always thought DNA is unique and impossible for others to have the same DNA
Sex God
Quote by buckingfabe
In 2007, Ronald Castree, of Shaw, near Oldham, was found to have the same DNA as Lesley's attacker
(Wikipedia)
Sorry but I always thought DNA is unique and impossible for others to have the same DNA
I thought so too until I read this the other day (see Twin DNA)
Amazing!!! Thanks for that.
Just goes to show, not everything is foolproof.
I wonder, in the light of this, how many prisoners will be applying for their convictions to be overturned
Quote by helnheaven
In 2007, Ronald Castree, of Shaw, near Oldham, was found to have the same DNA as Lesley's attacker
(Wikipedia)
Sorry but I always thought DNA is unique and impossible for others to have the same DNA
I think Sassy's quote is saying that Ronald Castree's DNA was the same as the DNA left by the person who killed Lesley, (who was at that time unknown) and therefore, Castree was the killer - not that there were two men with the same DNA.
Quote by Cherrytree
I think Sassy's quote is saying that Ronald Castree's DNA was the same as the DNA left by the person who killed Lesley, (who was at that time unknown) and therefore, Castree was the killer - not that there were two men with the same DNA.
yup thats what i thought to :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by Cherrytree
In 2007, Ronald Castree, of Shaw, near Oldham, was found to have the same DNA as Lesley's attacker
(Wikipedia)
Sorry but I always thought DNA is unique and impossible for others to have the same DNA
I think Sassy's quote is saying that Ronald Castree's DNA was the same as the DNA left by the person who killed Lesley, (who was at that time unknown) and therefore, Castree was the killer - not that there were two men with the same DNA.
Thanks Cherry, after reading it again,I think you are right
Ive bin having a 'blonde moment'all day, thats why Im home from work early
Quote by helnheaven
In 2007, Ronald Castree, of Shaw, near Oldham, was found to have the same DNA as Lesley's attacker
(Wikipedia)
Sorry but I always thought DNA is unique and impossible for others to have the same DNA
It is possible to have the same DNA in a blood test if one person is a bone marrow donor and the other is the receptient.DNA is a valuable tool, but care must be taken to fully understand what has been proven.
Travis.
