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Hiya
right, I know this isnt at all swinging related, and there'll only be a few replies, if any, but....
I am very interested in the Steiner education system and wondered if any of you lot were Steiner educated or have children at a Steiner school?
I enrolled my daughter aged 5 but circumstances (money and travel time) meant it just wasnt dooable at that time, but now it is, and we're lucky enough to have a school less than an hour's drive away . I would really like her to come out of 'mainstream' education and go the Steiner way.
Obviously she's been in mainstream ed for 2 years now so has missed the kindergarten emphasis which i feel are the foundation blocks of this alternative system - so, if you're 'in the know' or have any advice at all, feel free to pm me or post in here.
Ta wink
Waldorf Steiner schools are fee paying, alternative curriculum Mike,
here's a link to the site:
but in essence, children are not taught to read and write or study academic subjects until they're 7 (mine has already had 2 years of mainsream ed - maths, English, Science, IT etc) - they're taught in a very creative, artistic way (walking round the school is like being at a mini version of Glastonbury Festival for kids lol )
So to most people the Steiner way is very 'arty farty' and spiritual , but after 7, teaches not only academic subjects, languages and natural science but works on the principal of developing the individual child (through developing brain/ body faculties, social skills, creativity & lateral thinking) rather than delivering a government-prescibed curriculum to a class of 35 children who all have individual learning needs (imo), and encourages individuality rather than acheiving good results for school league tables (although their results generally are very good). Much of what is taught is humanities-based.
Children attend lessons according to ability - so bright 7 year olds can be educated in the same classes as 14 year olds, particularly in vocational subjects. Steiner doesnt follow the National Curriculum as 'we' know it , although they do do GCSE's.
dunno I think! hence why I'm asking! :lol:
Hi,
This is a big subject but I think what you also need to throw into a complex personal equation like this is what your children are like and what they would in particular get from this that you can not do yourself.
I like to think that education for kids is two pronged: parents and school. I can't teach academic subjects though I could do a good job of some. Similarly I don't have expectations of schools teaching personal skilss and creativity and all the other skills they should learn from being part of society.
My children went to state schools which are quite good at both but knowing that as parents we would have the right combination of skills to reinforce school and add to it in other ways if it was lacking.
One of the hardest things to teach as a parent is the things you can't or would be frightened to do, school and paying others to give your children those extra experiences can be a way out of that.
At the end of the day it is important that they have the right environment at school and home to achieve the most that they can. We, especially in this country, strangulate ourselves with endless striving for the perfect education yet show me someone who didn't learn by getting something wrong? They have to learn for themselves so give them opportunities, love and support adn they should do it themselves - and that will (imo) last long after school?
In short Steiner schools are more rounded than others and have a good reputation but (imo) no school is a panacea solution to your childrens future.
Hope these thoughts are not too opinionated and you find them useful to do the sums!
best wishes,
Shay
Dark fire
Every child is different and girls and boys will learn differently too. Personalising education is important for every child but find out as much as you can before you make that final decision. I moved mine from a traditional school for my first 2 to put them into a progressive forward thinking school. They ended up later on both having no interest in education and my second son needing remedial support for english because of the progressive individual teaching methods. My next 2 went to prep school which I paid for and they learnt quickly and both are far more confident learners all round although maybe other life skills are less developed.
Its swings and round abouts but I regret moving my boys.............
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Hi,
This is a big subject but I think what you also need to throw into a complex personal equation like this is what your children are like and what they would in particular get from this that you can not do yourself....
Hope these thoughts are not too opinionated and you find them useful to do the sums!
best wishes,
Shay

Hiya Shayz - replies are never too opinionated - I wouldnt ask unless I wanted them! wink
In terms of what she's like and what she would get from the Steiner way I've kinda already weighed up. I do feel that already she is being 'held back' from her abilities - its simple things like having access to sufficient books - she has the reading age of an 11 year old and needs reading books changed daily or loses interest completely - at her current school she's lucky if she gets to change her reading book once a week because there is simply not enough individual attention for someone to listen to her read. She would get that with Steiner. She's also a very focussed creative child, very arty farty - loves music, dance, creative arts, drama.... she even likes Shakespear ffs!
I've been thinking about it seriously for 2 years now, and as she moves up to Junior school in Sept, i'm feeling a bit like 'well, its now or never'. What's topped it off is that for the last 4 weeks running I've taken her to local community arts events - drama workshops, summer galas, short extracts from Shakespear plays and alternative storytelling to music type events - and she is in her element! She is a full-on hippy chick lol
Corriefem wrote:
I moved mine from a traditional school for my first 2 to put them into a progressive forward thinking school. They ended up later on both having no interest in education and my second son needing remedial support for english because of the progressive individual teaching methods.

Hiya Corrie
see, this is the bit I'm struggling with - I doubt very much that if and once she's attended the Steiner school, that she will 'fit' back in to mainstream ed should the need arise. She is incredibly bright and excels at school when given the opportunity - but Steiner teaching methods are a world away from the local Junior school and i think that once she's in the Steiner school she'll be there til she's 16. Its also a massive financial committment but I feel like I cant skinflint over her education. dunno
One thing to consider is if the school is about an hour away then your kids closest friends will not be near to play with at weekends. I initially made the same mistake of sending my eldest to a really good school in another town and as time went by she drifted away from the local kids and spent more time on msn chatting to her friends from school in the other town. I became concerned about the amount of time she was spending on the pc so I limited her to an hour a night, but then she just sat watching TV. When I asked why she didn't go out she said she was like an outsider and felt uncomfortable hanging with old friends from her junior school. I pulled her out after one year and sent her to a more local school. My anxieties were unfounded about the standards as she got A's and B's.
Ok that’s the only sensible post you'll get this year.
I got a bit confused there, when i saw Waldorf Steiner, as some friends of mine went to a Rudolf Steiner school, then with a bit of googling, i realised they are the same thing.
All I can say is, two of my friends went Rudolf Steiners schools (not the same one), and they both got degrees, and now are doing okay for themselves. They are well rounded individuals, intelligent, and both loved the schools they went to biggrin
and bravo to markz............. :thumbup:
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like I cant skinflint over her education. dunno

so don't......
if u feel that this school of teaching is best for ur child go for it...........ok its expensive but you'll find a way to do it........at the end of the day its about doing the best for our kids not whats best for us............how ever much it costs u.....at the end of the day its ur childs education.......
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and bravo to markz............. :thumbup:

does that mean I get to see the leather jacket pic wink
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no rolleyes

what if I buy a shed :roll:
ooo what a quandry!
Markz prompted into doing a sensible post :shock:
She has said she doesnt want to move schools, she wants to be with her current classmates - but, as she moves schools and classes come Sept she'll be making new friends anyway and wont have that much contact with the ones she has right now - plus as she's only 7, she's not allowed to 'play out' so wouldnt be missing out on after-school friends either dunno
Blimey, parenting, what a nightmare! wink
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Blimey, parenting, what a nightmare! wink

yeah its difficult but everyday remember how lucky u are to have ur daughter........
Indeed.
more lucky than I could ever express on here PK wink
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Indeed.
more lucky than I could ever express on here PK wink

:thumbup:
thats all i can say xx
It sounds as though your daughter is very bright in certain areas at least and therefore that makes your decision harder than just what school is best for her. In most cases it is important as for underachieving children to be in main stream educational systems but there are exceptions, of course.
In that respect perhaps you have to look at her level of development physically, mentally, socially and emotionally. If everything is really moving faster than normal then you need a different approach altogether. If she is just excelling in certain areas then schooling needs to be balanced differently and whilst a school may be found to support her strengths don't forget the weaknesses need working on too in case they just haven't appeared on the radar yet?
It's difficult to guess because we do not know her. My best idea is to look at this as a triangle of parent, school and classmates/peers at the three corners. Each of the corners has an influence on the child in the middle. Making lists of the pros and cons at each corner helps evaluate the decision rather than whorl it round in your head with your anxieties and other emotions. Make a different triangle for each school, "parents" (may read family here) stay the same and peers may change.
By the time you write it all down you may have evaluated objectively and subjectively how you feel about the alternatives and can first, presumably, make the best decision for her and secondly, for yourself and what you want her to achieve. You can then also make decisions about bolting on educational and experience bits and pieces to fill any gaps.
It will still be an imperfect answer because you can not predict her future nor the influence any direction will have on your daughters development. (Let alone any other external influences)
The one remaining fact is that your daughter has a caring parent who provides what she can - good and bad because no parent gets it right all the time. That generates trust and as you are still one of the biggest educational influences on her regardless of what school does or not do. So you have done most of it already! The rest is just building on what you have done already! All experiences good and bad will be good education and preparation for what is to come in the outside world as long as that support and mentoring is continued during the education process..
Waffled too much (on this subject close to my heart) just do the best and work it through with her, as I can not see you failing even if you change schools halfway!.
best wishes,
Shay