Still not happy?

14 Oct 2008

Oh yes another one of those threads.
I know we all like the nice strong debates. lol

Here we have yet another family who seem to have no problem dishing out the kids.
Now whislt it seems HE cannot work, what about HER trying to earn a few bob like the rest of us?
The cost of keeping this kind of family is crippling us as there now are just so many. Granted he has health issues, but it seems she has never worked and if she had her way, she never would.
Send HER out to work so the benefits we have to pay to her as taxpayers is reduced a bit. Why is it that when one partner is too ill to work, the other does not either?
It seems...lucky them, that they already have 3 grands worth of Xmas prezzies already wrapped up under the tree. I wonder how many WORKING parents out there, are worried about the expense of Christmas? Not for this family is seems.
When we have pensioners out there who this coming winter will have a choice of heat or food, because of the massive rises in energy bills. This family will not have the same all the money they are getting it seems they are still not happy. :shock:
The next time you see an eldery neighbour who has probably worked all their lives and never claimed anything ( in their day, they could not )thinking about their heating bills this winter, spare a nice thought for the freeloaders out there, who get it all.
Anyone for tennis? :lol:

14 Oct 2008

I take it that the guy is disabled and some of the kids are of school age. In that case lets send her to work, then more of my taxes can pay for homehelp/carers for him and childcare for the kids while she is at work.
The benefit system of having carers paid little to look after the ill benefits the tax payer surely?
Dave_Notts

14 Oct 2008

'I'm really nervous about what will happen at the end of my course. I've never worked and so it would be scary to think I would have to get a job. It would have to be very well-paid to pay more than the benefits.'
ive quoted the above from the statement, It would seem that its the way of thinking for some people.
why go out and work when you can get more by not working mad

14 Oct 2008

Quote by TabbynTina
'I'm really nervous about what will happen at the end of my course. I've never worked and so it would be scary to think I would have to get a job. It would have to be very well-paid to pay more than the benefits.'
ive quoted the above from the statement, It would seem that its the way of thinking for some people.
why go out and work when you can get more by not working

That is where the whole system has failed.
To worry about working because you may get more on benefits, surely is just not right? dunno

14 Oct 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
'I'm really nervous about what will happen at the end of my course. I've never worked and so it would be scary to think I would have to get a job. It would have to be very well-paid to pay more than the benefits.'
ive quoted the above from the statement, It would seem that its the way of thinking for some people.
why go out and work when you can get more by not working

That is where the whole system has failed.
To worry about working because you may get more on benefits, surely is just not right? dunno

Its not right but its sadly the case for many, when i worked i was worse off that i had been on benefits, because i choose to take a job that fit in with school hours or the childminders fees crippled me, I didnt have the priviledge of free childcare or able family most of the time. On the other end of the scale both my parents are in very well paid jobs they struggle to manage with the rising cost of everything and £500 nursary fees a month confused

14 Oct 2008

Quote by TanKinky
'I'm really nervous about what will happen at the end of my course. I've never worked and so it would be scary to think I would have to get a job. It would have to be very well-paid to pay more than the benefits.'
ive quoted the above from the statement, It would seem that its the way of thinking for some people.
why go out and work when you can get more by not working

That is where the whole system has failed.
To worry about working because you may get more on benefits, surely is just not right? dunno

Its not right but its sadly the case for many, when i worked i was worse off that i had been on benefits, because i choose to take a job that fit in with school hours or the childminders fees crippled me, I didnt have the priviledge of free childcare or able family most of the time. On the other end of the scale both my parents are in very well paid jobs they struggle to manage with the rising cost of everything and £500 nursary fees a month confused

Of course you have to do what is right for you.
Where has the incentive gone for people to work? Surely going out to work has to be better for a person financially and for their own self esteem.
There are now things out there to help working parents with child minding fees, and I do not know what they are.
A system that makes it better to stay on benefits, rather than getting people back to work, is quite frankly that basis why would people opt to work for less money than they would get on benefits? It just plain crazy.

14 Oct 2008

There is no incentive confused

I chose to work however hard it was, There was help for childcare at the time im talking about but the care had to be registered as a childminder i lived in a little village with no one registered the closest being 13 miles away. So there is loopholes and grey bits wether this has changed or not im not sure.

14 Oct 2008

Quote by TanKinky
There is no incentive I chose to work however hard it was, There was help for childcare at the time im talking about but the care had to be registered as a childminder i lived in a little village with no one registered the closest being 13 miles away. So there is loopholes and grey bits wether this has changed or not im not sure.

Well good luck in whatever you do tan. xx

14 Oct 2008

How the other half live eh. Dont think i would be happy if i didnt have to work for a livin - not.... confused

14 Oct 2008

777 Just going on the title of your thread, you never are! rotflmao

14 Oct 2008

Quote by Theladyisaminx
777 Just going on the title of your thread, you never are!

Minx I am always happy.....until someone pisses me off. lol

Am sure that when people see things like this they are angry too, and if not.....why not ? cool

14 Oct 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
777 Just going on the title of your thread, you never are!

Minx I am always happy.....until someone pisses me off. lol

Am sure that when people see things like this they are angry too, and if not.....why not ? cool

I know I am pulling you leg! :lol:
Chill wink

14 Oct 2008

They should be totally ashamed of themselves. He may well be disabled but didn't stop him dipping his wick and making babies that he can't afford to bring up!, she should be working school hours I can't see any reason why she can't, I do.
This country is full of scroungers who won't take responsibily for their actions and it f**ks me off. Its about time the government overhauled the benefit system, at present it is just to easy for people to sit on their backsides doing f**k all, I suggest vouchers for food and clothing and very little cash!.

14 Oct 2008

Quote by lyns
They should be totally ashamed of themselves. He may well be disabled but didn't stop him dipping his wick and making babies that he can't afford to bring up!, she should be working school hours I can't see any reason why she can't, I do.
This country is full of scroungers who won't take responsibily for their actions and it f**ks me off. Its about time the government overhauled the benefit system, at present it is just to easy for people to sit on their backsides doing f**k all, I suggest vouchers for food and clothing and very little cash!.

You go girl. lol

I was thinking that too, but felt I would tone it down a tad. biggrin

She should be FORCED to work for her benefits. cool

As Gaunty would say " the ferel and the long term useless". :lol: :lol:

14 Oct 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
They should be totally ashamed of themselves. He may well be disabled but didn't stop him dipping his wick and making babies that he can't afford to bring up!, she should be working school hours I can't see any reason why she can't, I do.
This country is full of scroungers who won't take responsibily for their actions and it f**ks me off. Its about time the government overhauled the benefit system, at present it is just to easy for people to sit on their backsides doing f**k all, I suggest vouchers for food and clothing and very little cash!.

You go girl. lol

I was thinking that too, but felt I would tone it down a tad. biggrin

She should be FORCED to work for her benefits. cool

As Gaunty would say " the ferel and the long term useless". :lol: :lol:
It is a huge bug bear of mine...
I know a girl my age, with three kids and a husband, they have a newer car than me, sky+ and sky multi-room, a ps3 two of the kids have nineteno ds', top of the range widescreen flatscreen tv and everthing else that goes with it.
She has never worked a paid day in her life. It angers me so much that they can screw the government for what they have and have no shame in doing it, when many working parents are struggling to keep a roof over their kids heads let alone buy all the mod cons.

14 Oct 2008

Yes I know. It is a sad fact of life in Britain today though. Am suprised you did not comment on my other thread about the family given the 1.2 million house. lol

14 Oct 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Yes I know. It is a sad fact of life in Britain today though. Am suprised you did not comment on my other thread about the family given the 1.2 million house.

:gagged: I daren't...

14 Oct 2008

Quote by lyns
Yes I know. It is a sad fact of life in Britain today though. Am suprised you did not comment on my other thread about the family given the 1.2 million house.

:gagged: I daren't...
Go on..............you know you want too. :lol: :lol:

14 Oct 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Of course you have to do what is right for you.
Where has the incentive gone for people to work? Surely going out to work has to be better for a person financially and for their own self esteem.
There are now things out there to help working parents with child minding fees, and I do not know what they are.
A system that makes it better to stay on benefits, rather than getting people back to work, is quite frankly that basis why would people opt to work for less money than they would get on benefits? It just plain crazy.

What self esteem?
The culture now is to get pregnant at 14 to get as many points as you need for a council house and a good meal ticket - free Christmas whilst the rest of society struggle to pay for it!
Even pensioners are having to work more years to pay for it! Disgraceful!!
Why can't the UK be like very much the rest of Europe where the "social" chapter is soo different? France is very much a socialist country with very good benefits but the way of living here does not favour shirkers or people who have not paid into their social system.

14 Oct 2008

This country is full of scroungers who won't take responsibily for their actions and it f**ks me off. Its about time the government overhauled the benefit system, at present it is just to easy for people to sit on their backsides doing f**k all, I suggest vouchers for food and clothing and very little cash!.
I can speak from personal experience but from the other side of the fence to the opinions that most share. Up until two and a half years ago i was the typical stay at home mum, small part time business that bought in my pin money whilst my husband was a successful builder.
Then he died suddenly.
I went from having enough money to keep us comfortable to having to go cap in hand to the council and the benefits agency.
I still run my business as best i can, but child care is out of the question. And yes unfortunately i am one of "those scroungers" who could go out and get a "proper job" if i can find one to work around school hours, somehow find childcare and then pay thro the nose for it. And yes I have become trapped in the whole nasty circle of finding that in fact being on benefits is more beneficial that working in a normal job. But am i happy about that fact - no strangely enuf i'm not. I never dreamt that i would be in this situation 3 yrs ago and despise the fact that i am now. But you tell me - why should i come off benefits, give up my own business, and live on less money. I hear many of you saying to yourselve "because why should I pay for u to sit on ya arse at home all day" Personally I have always paid my tax and my NI because of my home business, and whilst i appreciate that this thread was started because of a family in different circumstances to mine can i just say one thing -
Walk a mile in their shoes one day b4 u criticise how they live and dont tar all claimants of benefits with the same brush.

14 Oct 2008

I dont think for one minute that anyone genuinely claiming benefits to make ends meet would be tarred a scrounger but lets be honest.....
There is a world of difference between your situation and the one highlighted in the OP....

14 Oct 2008

Quote by Steve
I dont think for one minute that anyone genuinely claiming benefits to make ends meet would be tarred a scrounger

I haven't read the rest of the thread, only this bit, and
:thumbup: I had to rely on Tax Credits to help us out over the past two years while I was a student. It wasn't anywhere near as much as my old salary was, but it was a great help.
Now I'm back working I no longer claim, but I'm not ashamed that I did for the two years, that's what it was there for.

14 Oct 2008

Quote by Up_for_fun_2008
This country is full of scroungers who won't take responsibily for their actions and it f**ks me off. Its about time the government overhauled the benefit system, at present it is just to easy for people to sit on their backsides doing f**k all, I suggest vouchers for food and clothing and very little cash!.

I can speak from personal experience but from the other side of the fence to the opinions that most share. Up until two and a half years ago i was the typical stay at home mum, small part time business that bought in my pin money whilst my husband was a successful builder.
Then he died suddenly.
I went from having enough money to keep us comfortable to having to go cap in hand to the council and the benefits agency.
I still run my business as best i can, but child care is out of the question. And yes unfortunately i am one of "those scroungers" who could go out and get a "proper job" if i can find one to work around school hours, somehow find childcare and then pay thro the nose for it. And yes I have become trapped in the whole nasty circle of finding that in fact being on benefits is more beneficial that working in a normal job. But am i happy about that fact - no strangely enuf i'm not. I never dreamt that i would be in this situation 3 yrs ago and despise the fact that i am now. But you tell me - why should i come off benefits, give up my own business, and live on less money. I hear many of you saying to yourselve "because why should I pay for u to sit on ya arse at home all day" Personally I have always paid my tax and my NI because of my home business, and whilst i appreciate that this thread was started because of a family in different circumstances to mine can i just say one thing -
Walk a mile in their shoes one day b4 u criticise how they live and dont tar all claimants of benefits with the same brush.
Up 4 I do not tar them all with the same brush. We can all hit hard times and I have had to walk to the dole office in my time.
Having young kids on your own is no picnic, and in those circumstances you was entitled to everything you got. My gripe is with the people I have highlighted in this thread.
The trouble is when discussing a subject like this, it stirs emotions on both sides, and I for one think a lot of people who have paid in are entitled to get some back, when life deals them a rough hand.
I only say that some people will spend years on it, with no intention of trying to better themselves at all. There are families out there that have spent over 20 years living off benefits, and I do not think that is right.

14 Oct 2008

Quote by Up_for_fun_2008
Personally I have always paid my tax and my NI because of my home business , and whilst i appreciate that this thread was started because of a family in different circumstances to mine can i just say one thing -
Walk a mile in their shoes one day b4 u criticise how they live and dont tar all claimants of benefits with the same brush.

The real shame of the UK system is that the self employed - even though paying NI basic + Class 4 are disenfranchised from the benefits system.. and then people who don't really need benefits get them without much difficulty..
Quite galling really..

14 Oct 2008

Quote by GnV
Personally I have always paid my tax and my NI because of my home business , and whilst i appreciate that this thread was started because of a family in different circumstances to mine can i just say one thing -
Walk a mile in their shoes one day b4 u criticise how they live and dont tar all claimants of benefits with the same brush.

The real shame of the UK system is that the self employed - even though paying NI basic + Class 4 are disenfranchised from the benefits system.. and then people who don't really need benefits get them without much difficulty..
Quite galling really..
If i hadnt paid my NI i would have had problems claiming my widowed parents allowance which btw is just over £70 a week and tbh i nearly fell over when they told me how much - so just to hijack this thread a little - should a surviving parent be paid that???

14 Oct 2008

Quote by Up_for_fun_2008
Personally I have always paid my tax and my NI because of my home business , and whilst i appreciate that this thread was started because of a family in different circumstances to mine can i just say one thing -
Walk a mile in their shoes one day b4 u criticise how they live and dont tar all claimants of benefits with the same brush.

The real shame of the UK system is that the self employed - even though paying NI basic + Class 4 are disenfranchised from the benefits system.. and then people who don't really need benefits get them without much difficulty..
Quite galling really..
If i hadnt paid my NI i would have had problems claiming my widowed parents allowance which btw is just over £70 a week and tbh i nearly fell over when they told me how much - so just to hijack this thread a little - should a surviving parent be paid that???
Yes and a bit more.
Your circumstances are what the system was designed for. A parent that has lost their partner should get all the help they deserve.

14 Oct 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Personally I have always paid my tax and my NI because of my home business , and whilst i appreciate that this thread was started because of a family in different circumstances to mine can i just say one thing -
Walk a mile in their shoes one day b4 u criticise how they live and dont tar all claimants of benefits with the same brush.

The real shame of the UK system is that the self employed - even though paying NI basic + Class 4 are disenfranchised from the benefits system.. and then people who don't really need benefits get them without much difficulty..
Quite galling really..
If i hadnt paid my NI i would have had problems claiming my widowed parents allowance which btw is just over £70 a week and tbh i nearly fell over when they told me how much - so just to hijack this thread a little - should a surviving parent be paid that???
Yes and a bit more.
Your circumstances are what the system was designed for. A parent that has lost their partner should get all the help they deserve.
OK and if i now told u that when i last sat down and worked out that i receive approx £13k a year from benefit - this includes Housing Benefit, Working Child Tax Credit and also Widowed Parent Allowance what would the reactions then be. I know wot my reaction was when i saw the figures - total and utter amazement. Now find me a part time (around skool hours) job that would pay me that much per year. Yes i have the "sympathy" vote on my side, but what makes ME so different from a family where the husband is disabled and therefore cant work.
Why should i not fall in the same category that lyns mentioned in their original post, think the word "scroungers" and "sitting around on backside" all day was mentioned. That was the comment that annoyed me not the orignal thread btw 777 lol
And tbh if i had a choice between working a normal job on less money and struggling to bring up my son and keep a roof over my head or staying on benefits and just about keeping my head above water then yes I will choose benefits everytime. It does make me a scrounger, widowed or not, disabled or not. You do wot u have to do when u have to do it.
I do understand tho that ppl who work full time and struggle to makes ends meet as most do especially at the moment - see ppl like me and prob the family mentioned in the link and think that there is something wrong with the system. But one day, should god forbid your loved one is hurt and can no longer work or worse as in my situation, be grateful the system is there, because once upon a time I would have been where most others are now - critising someone for having an "easy life". Like i said in my original post - Walk a mile.............

14 Oct 2008

Quote by Up_for_fun_2008
Personally I have always paid my tax and my NI because of my home business , and whilst i appreciate that this thread was started because of a family in different circumstances to mine can i just say one thing -
Walk a mile in their shoes one day b4 u criticise how they live and dont tar all claimants of benefits with the same brush.

The real shame of the UK system is that the self employed - even though paying NI basic + Class 4 are disenfranchised from the benefits system.. and then people who don't really need benefits get them without much difficulty..
Quite galling really..
If i hadnt paid my NI i would have had problems claiming my widowed parents allowance which btw is just over £70 a week and tbh i nearly fell over when they told me how much - so just to hijack this thread a little - should a surviving parent be paid that???
Yes and a bit more.
Your circumstances are what the system was designed for. A parent that has lost their partner should get all the help they deserve.
OK and if i now told u that when i last sat down and worked out that i receive approx £13k a year from benefit - this includes Housing Benefit, Working Child Tax Credit and also Widowed Parent Allowance what would the reactions then be. I know wot my reaction was when i saw the figures - total and utter amazement. Now find me a part time (around skool hours) job that would pay me that much per year. Yes i have the "sympathy" vote on my side, but what makes ME so different from a family where the husband is disabled and therefore cant work.
Why should i not fall in the same category that lyns mentioned in their original post, think the word "scroungers" and "sitting around on backside" all day was mentioned. That was the comment that annoyed me not the orignal thread btw 777 lol
And tbh if i had a choice between working a normal job on less money and struggling to bring up my son and keep a roof over my head or staying on benefits and just about keeping my head above water then yes I will choose benefits everytime. It does make me a scrounger, widowed or not, disabled or not. You do wot u have to do when u have to do it.
I do understand tho that ppl who work full time and struggle to makes ends meet as most do especially at the moment - see ppl like me and prob the family mentioned in the link and think that there is something wrong with the system. But one day, should god forbid your loved one is hurt and can no longer work or worse as in my situation, be grateful the system is there, because once upon a time I would have been where most others are now - critising someone for having an "easy life". Like i said in my original post - Walk a mile.............
There's a whole world of difference.. you don't now have a partner to make up the difference and it would be downright unreal to suggest you should go out and get one, given your tragic loss.
Others though, in very different circumstances, probably do have another partner which they "conceal" in order to screw the system.

14 Oct 2008

Quote by Up_for_fun_2008
Personally I have always paid my tax and my NI because of my home business , and whilst i appreciate that this thread was started because of a family in different circumstances to mine can i just say one thing -
Walk a mile in their shoes one day b4 u criticise how they live and dont tar all claimants of benefits with the same brush.

The real shame of the UK system is that the self employed - even though paying NI basic + Class 4 are disenfranchised from the benefits system.. and then people who don't really need benefits get them without much difficulty..
Quite galling really..
If i hadnt paid my NI i would have had problems claiming my widowed parents allowance which btw is just over £70 a week and tbh i nearly fell over when they told me how much - so just to hijack this thread a little - should a surviving parent be paid that???
Yes and a bit more.
Your circumstances are what the system was designed for. A parent that has lost their partner should get all the help they deserve.
OK and if i now told u that when i last sat down and worked out that i receive approx £13k a year from benefit - this includes Housing Benefit, Working Child Tax Credit and also Widowed Parent Allowance what would the reactions then be. I know wot my reaction was when i saw the figures - total and utter amazement. Now find me a part time (around skool hours) job that would pay me that much per year. Yes i have the "sympathy" vote on my side, but what makes ME so different from a family where the husband is disabled and therefore cant work.
Why should i not fall in the same category that lyns mentioned in their original post, think the word "scroungers" and "sitting around on backside" all day was mentioned. That was the comment that annoyed me not the orignal thread btw 777 lol
And tbh if i had a choice between working a normal job on less money and struggling to bring up my son and keep a roof over my head or staying on benefits and just about keeping my head above water then yes I will choose benefits everytime. It does make me a scrounger, widowed or not, disabled or not. You do wot u have to do when u have to do it.
I do understand tho that ppl who work full time and struggle to makes ends meet as most do especially at the moment - see ppl like me and prob the family mentioned in the link and think that there is something wrong with the system. But one day, should god forbid your loved one is hurt and can no longer work or worse as in my situation, be grateful the system is there, because once upon a time I would have been where most others are now - critising someone for having an "easy life". Like i said in my original post - Walk a mile.............
No one said that you should be tarred with the same brush, the benefit system is there for a reason as a crutch to help those desperatly in need. Some abuse the system (as I stated in my post after the original one, I don't know how to multi quote!).
My gripe is with those who think the world owes them a living. I have been a single parent struggling to pay bills rent childcare etc with no help from the father all be it for a short time and it is hard on many levels.
Im sorry if my post offended you, it wasn't a personal dig at anyone and your circumstances are very different to those in the article mentioned.
In edit, this was a post of mine earlier on in the thread!
It is a huge bug bear of mine...
I know a girl my age, with three kids and a husband, they have a newer car than me, sky+ and sky multi-room, a ps3 two of the kids have nineteno ds', top of the range widescreen flatscreen tv and everthing else that goes with it.
She has never worked a paid day in her life. It angers me so much that they can screw the government for what they have and have no shame in doing it, when many working parents are struggling to keep a roof over their kids heads let alone buy all the mod cons.

14 Oct 2008

I feel really sorry for working British parents right now who are wondering how the hell they are going to afford Christmas...
Seems the only people going to be able to afford it are the political class and those on benefits as outlined by the OP
Shameful!