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Quote by duncanlondon
You will know who is having sex within your own swinging group, that is why you have the group. You would be wary of a complete stranger who had no connections within the group, right?

If you're restricting your activities to an exclusive group in which everyone knows everyone else, then yes. Are you saying that you have to be that restrictive in order to be a swinger?
Quote by MQ
MQ hides her rampant rabbit from Ice Pie lol

TFFT :lol2:
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Errrrrrr, I'm sooooo lost with this debate........ so.... you can't be a swinger unless you know the names of all the people you've shagged?
No, surely that's not right..... off to go and read back up the thread rolleyes .... but just in case I did read that right I may be some time writing a list :shock:
Quote by Rainbows
Seems like a pointless debate to me, and already seems to have gotten backs up.

I don't see any backs up Shambolic. Good debate though!
Maybe it's the wine, but I could've sworn there's been a slight undertone of annoyance from one or two on this thread, and I can understand why. It's nice to have a label you give yourself so you don't feel unfocused, but it's worrying when it's more important than what you actually do, IMO.
The whole thing reminds me of the typical new band scenario - "Before we write anything, or practice, we need to work out the really important issues - What are we going to call ourselves?"...
Until you 'know' the new partner you will be doing casual.
The definition is simpler than you think.
Quote by duncanlondon
You will know who is having sex within your own swinging group, that is why you have the group. You would be wary of a complete stranger who had no connections within the group, right?

You've still lost me completely, one of the central issues with swinging is discretion - you don't tell everyone who you've shagged. confused (Unless you go to one of "those" parties in which case there are piccys, discussions etc. etc. but that is a different matter. wink )
Roger the Dragon
(Sexually liberated polyamorous kinky swinger in open marriage who also does wife-swapping.)
Quote by bluexxx
:shock:
Errrrrrr, I'm sooooo lost with this debate........ so.... you can't be a swinger unless you know the names of all the people you've shagged?
No, surely that's not right..... off to go and read back up the thread rolleyes .... but just in case I did read that right I may be some time writing a list :shock:

Well, I know the names of all the people I've shagged. A couple of one offs, and monogamous relationships - Does that make me a swinger or not then, according the the knowing names theory? confused
Quote by duncanlondon
Until you 'know' the new partner you will be doing casual.
The definition is simpler than you think.

Sooooo, I really do have to provide a list of everyone I've shagged before I can be considered a swinger?????
:shock:
Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
confused :? :?
Its not about having a list of the people you had sex with.
Its knowing who they were with before you have sex with them. Knowing that there is a sequence of partners who are as clean and safe as you.
That is why you have a group of knowing and consenting adults. Otherwise you let in someone who presents a risk.
The way we see it is that we are a swinging couple. We have sex with others whether they are single or a swinging couple.
We certainly don't think of singles as inferior.
We could look at everyone, couples and singles, as swingers but in different categories.
1. couples who swing with other couple/singles
2. singles who swing with other couples
3. singles who meet singles with the view to them becoming their swinging partner
Then we have the singles that only look for a casual fuck. They also have their place in the swinging community :twisted:
Gill & Del x
we are category 1 swingers. Before we fell in to this category we were category 3 but happy to be involved in category 2 :shock:
drinkies :smoke: TSNB
typical saturday night bollox
Quote by duncanlondon
Its not about having a list of the people you had sex with.
Its knowing who they were with before you have sex with them. Knowing that there is a sequence of partners who are as clean and safe as you.
That is why you have a group of knowing and consenting adults. Otherwise you let in someone who presents a risk.

What the hell are you on about? This is why most swingers use condoms!
Quote by duncanlondon
Its not about having a list of the people you had sex with.
Its knowing who they were with before you have sex with them. Knowing that there is a sequence of partners who are as clean and safe as you.
That is why you have a group of knowing and consenting adults. Otherwise you let in someone who presents a risk.

So the people who let you in their group aren't really swingers because they let in an outsider, namely you?
Quote by rogerthedragon
Its not about having a list of the people you had sex with.
Its knowing who they were with before you have sex with them. Knowing that there is a sequence of partners who are as clean and safe as you.
That is why you have a group of knowing and consenting adults. Otherwise you let in someone who presents a risk.

What the hell are you on about? This is why most swingers use condoms!
What Roger said!!! The issue wasn't about safe sex and how many sexual partners a person has had. In fact you could have sex with ONE person unprotected and end up infected, or 50 people with protection and be completely clean. Completely irrelevant point there.
The point is that when you know about the sequence of activity of a partner you are swinging. If you don't know who they last had sex with, you go back to doing casual.
Its quite simple.
OK - my back is up now.
WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE FOCUSSING ON THE NAMES ISSUE?
One person ONE PERSON - gave their own interpretation of what the term swinger means, - knowing about each others previous partners - an interpretation which they are quite entitled to and did not in any way ask anyone else to ascribe to- and suddenly, everyone who disagrees with this one statement starts an hysterical assasination of the thread because of this.
There are only two types of people that have so far had their backs put up by this. Me, and those who think the discussion should not be taking place.
It is too easy to sit there on your comfy little fence picking holes in other peoples opinions, without having the courage to stand up and say I THINK THIS.
Well I am going to take my negative thoughts and fuck off out of this thread, and I strongly believe that the second type of people I mentioned should follow my example.
A very very very pissed off Kat
MQ buggers off to make a badge with a wipe clean surface so she can write on the name of the last person she had sex with.......
Quote by duncanlondon
The point is that when you know about the sequence of activity of a partner you are swinging. If you don't know who they last had sex with, you go back to doing casual.
Its quite simple.

Not at all.
So, what you are saying is that because we have casual sex with others, we aren't swingers?
So, MQ, we are safe to have fun as i know who you had sex with at our last meet so you are safe, lol :twisted:
G & D x
Quote by duncanlondon
The point is that when you know about the sequence of activity of a partner you are swinging. If you don't know who they last had sex with, you go back to doing casual.
Its quite simple.

I can't think of many people who would agree to reveal that information. I'm damn sure I wouldn't. Apart from anything else, I have no moral right to report my friends' sexual activities to a third party. As Roger says, people who want discretion expect that wish to be respected, and what you seem to be saying is that anyone who does respect that isn't a swinger.
Quote by duncanlondon
The point is that when you know about the sequence of activity of a partner you are swinging. If you don't know who they last had sex with, you go back to doing casual.
Its quite simple.

You say this is very simple and I assume it is to you but by your definition virtually no-one on here would be a swinger neither would most of the various people who go to swinging clubs, parties etc.
Are you saying that the only people who you believe should use the name swinger are those who have sex with people who are already their friends and who they know all the sexual history of?
Quote by dundeecpl
The point is that when you know about the sequence of activity of a partner you are swinging. If you don't know who they last had sex with, you go back to doing casual.
Its quite simple.

Not at all.
So, what you are saying is that because we have casual sex with others, we aren't swingers?
So, MQ, we are safe to have fun as i know who you had sex with at our last meet so you are safe, lol :twisted:
G & D x

WOOHOO!!! lol I'll look forward to it! :twisted:
The seemingly pointless need to label, categorise, define and even stereotype all relate back to a combination of our sociological and psychological need to create our self-identity and the need for sense of belonging or ‘community’ with others (whether consciously or subconsciously). I would happily explain this statement in more detail, along with referenced writings on the subject – but I would rather find-out where the sex is at and get shagged!
:twisted:
Quote by KitKat
One person ONE PERSON - gave their own interpretation of what the term swinger means, - knowing about each others previous partners - an interpretation which they are quite entitled to and did not in any way ask anyone else to ascribe to- and suddenly, everyone who disagrees with this one statement starts an hysterical assasination of the thread because of this.

No one is getting hysterical Kat, and no one is denying that swinging means different things to different people. I think what is being questioned is the implication that if your way doesn't conform to someone else's definition, then it's not valid.
Ice
Quote by duncanlondon
Its not about having a list of the people you had sex with.
Its knowing who they were with before you have sex with them. Knowing that there is a sequence of partners who are as clean and safe as you.
That is why you have a group of knowing and consenting adults. Otherwise you let in someone who presents a risk.

Nonsense. Utter nonsense.
So I am not a swinger cos I go to clubs and fuck people I don;t know the names of?
I would be a swinger however, if I could present you with a list like this:
_________________________
Rachel
Jason
Steve
David
John
Rob
Andrew
Shaun
Sharon
Simon
Edward
Peter
Colin
Justin
Alfie
Kevin
Curt
Daniel
Wendy
Bill
Fred
Rosie
Paul
Paul
Paul
David
Stephanie
Paul
Dave
Colin
Pete
Marie
Steve
Dave
Paul
Tracy
Paul
Duncan
Steve
Diane
Gill
Gemma
Dave
Rob
Wayne
John
Daniel
Zack
Gavin
Clyde
William
Vicky
Paul
Quinton
Bobby
David
Paul
Rob
Patrick
Jeff
Bill
Paula
Rory
Caroline
Alexander
Alan
Peter
John
Howard
James
Fred
Jim
Paul
Nigel
Colin
Will
Mike
Paul
Vinny
Amanda
Ian
Rebecca
Gerard
Paul
Burt
Caitlin
Jonathan
Andrea
Micah
Simon
Gillian
Trev
Andy
David
Paul
John
Tom
Rob
simon
Sharon
Emma
Alan
Andrew
Bob
Barbara
Nigel
Michele
Mike
Marie
Bob
Paul
Ned
Jason
Howard
gerald
Judith
Dave
Gareth
Tom
Clare
Ginny
Pete
Paddy
Fred
Will
Paul
Amy
Mark
Jon
Dave
Paul
Steve
Stephen
Ged
Colin
Neil
Patrick
Trevor
Dwaine
Joanne
Rebecca
Steve
Rob
Lee
Kurt
Paul
Gavin
Colm
Nigel
Paul
John
James
Albert
Steve
Tom
Rob
Vincent
Stuart
Emily
Neil
Vicki
Nicholas
John
Pete
Steve
Dave
Jenny
Jane
Tom
Gary
Ann
Tony
Paul
Robby
Nick
Michael
Patrick
Stephen
Simon
Paul
Daniel
Trev
Lee
John
Billy
Dave
Julie
steve
____________________
Yeah, that makes sense. Not.
Sorry, there's more to swinging than that confused
Its what I think makes the difference in the definition of the two words. And that is all I have talked about.
Quote by bluexxx
Its not about having a list of the people you had sex with.
Its knowing who they were with before you have sex with them. Knowing that there is a sequence of partners who are as clean and safe as you.
That is why you have a group of knowing and consenting adults. Otherwise you let in someone who presents a risk.

Nonsense. Utter nonsense.
So I am not a swinger cos I go to clubs and fuck people I don;t know the names of?
I would be a swinger however, if I could present you with a list like this:
_________________________
Rachel
Jason
Steve
David
John
Rob
Andrew
Shaun
Sharon
Simon
Edward
Peter
Colin
Justin
Alfie
Kevin
Curt
Daniel
Wendy
Bill
Fred
Rosie
Paul
Paul
Paul
David
Stephanie
Paul
Dave
Colin
Pete
Marie
Steve
Dave
Paul
Tracy
Paul
Duncan
Steve
Diane
Gill
Gemma
Dave
Rob
Wayne
John
Daniel
Zack
Gavin
Clyde
William
Vicky
Paul
Quinton
Bobby
David
Paul
Rob
Patrick
Jeff
Bill
Paula
Rory
Caroline
Alexander
Alan
Peter
John
Howard
James
Fred
Jim
Paul
Nigel
Colin
Will
Mike
Paul
Vinny
Amanda
Ian
Rebecca
Gerard
Paul
Burt
Caitlin
Jonathan
Andrea
Micah
Simon
Gillian
Trev
Andy
David
Paul
John
Tom
Rob
simon
Sharon
Emma
Alan
Andrew
Bob
Barbara
Nigel
Michele
Mike
Marie
Bob
Paul
Ned
Jason
Howard
gerald
Judith
Dave
Gareth
Tom
Clare
Ginny
Pete
Paddy
Fred
Will
Paul
Amy
Mark
Jon
Dave
Paul
Steve
Stephen
Ged
Colin
Neil
Patrick
Trevor
Dwaine
Joanne
Rebecca
Steve
Rob
Lee
Kurt
Paul
Gavin
Colm
Nigel
Paul
John
James
Albert
Steve
Tom
Rob
Vincent
Stuart
Emily
Neil
Vicki
Nicholas
John
Pete
Steve
Dave
Jenny
Jane
Tom
Gary
Ann
Tony
Paul
Robby
Nick
Michael
Patrick
Stephen
Simon
Paul
Daniel
Trev
Lee
John
Billy
Dave
Julie
steve
____________________
Yeah, that makes sense. Not.
Sorry, there's more to swinging than that confused
lol, you forgot someone!!!!! that means that he was just a casual fuck and makes you aq casual fucker :twisted:
You had Wayne too!
Looks like we are getting a few laughs out of this now.
Quote by duncanlondon
Its what I think makes the difference in the definition of the two words. And that is all I have talked about.

Fair enough Dunc, I accept that that's what it means to you personally, but it did rather look as though you were unwilling to accept that other people are just as entitled to call themselves swingers according to what it means to them. If that wasn't your intention, I apologise for misinterpreting you.
Quote by dundeecpl
lol, you forgot someone!!!!! that means that he was just a casual fuck and makes you aq casual fucker :twisted:

Damn confused . First thing Monday morning that secretary of mine is SACKED for not keeping proper records evil
wink
Quote by PoloLady
The seemingly pointless need to label, categorise, define and even stereotype all relate back to a combination of our sociological and psychological need to create our self-identity and the need for sense of belonging or ‘community’ with others (whether consciously or subconsciously). I would happily explain this statement in more detail, along with referenced writings on the subject – but I would rather find-out where the sex is at and get shagged!
:twisted:

I agree with all of that, I just have issue with people having a definition of themselves that they expect everyone else to agree with, especially when it's about something that's meant to be enjoyable!
For the person who started the thread - So long as you feel happy with what you do, does it really matter what label you put on yourself whilst doing it? smile