My own personal opinion is that she should do one or the other.
Now she's been outed there's no way she can stand in a pulpit and preach the opposite of what she herself does in private. It's hypocrisy if she continues to swing whilst telling people they should follow the ten commandments and her faith not supporting sex out of wedlock etc etc.
Let's face it her congregation can hardly take her seriously now, or can they?
Being a Christian and being a swinger is not really hypocrisy as it's just a belief system where you can jettison some elements. But it's true hypocrisy to tell other people not to do something that you yourself do regularly and get enjoyment from.
Swinger is fine by me.
Vicar is fine by me.
A swinging vicar is not fine with me.
Hypocrites are much further up my scale of fuckwits than are vicars.
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Quote by varca
It's not that different in my opinion Mar and I am not having a go but just trying to put things into perspectivebut you are married to Jay and yet you swing
On the one hand, she took a wedding vow to 'forsake all others' and keep herself just for her husband. She also broke one of the Commandments which sets the basis for her faith.
What's the difference?
I'll say it for a third time, the difference is she's a VICAR!, I'm not. She's taken vows for marriage BUT also vows for her postition in the church which is to UPHOLD the values of the church.
I'm married to Jay and no one else. I haven't stood in front of anyone and married others, I haven't promised to help others maintain the values of marriage and the church... I could go on but I'm not going to.
I did say in the beginning, her being married has nothing to do with it, it's her position in society and in the church that's the problem not her swinging as a married woman.
She should practice what she preaches. I don't stand up and say to you Varca for example, 'you shouldn't swing it's against common decency and breaking marriage vows' then promptly go away and have a shag fest in a club do I?
She should make a decision imo, be a vicar or a swinger, but not both.
Quote by cu3b4ll
Correct me if I'm wrong (someone here must know more about it than I do) but wasn't the C of E kick-started by Henry VIII so he could divorce and marry another woman? Isn't that an early example of swinging?
They were co-hearsed into allowing him to do so but later it was rescinded, so I believe.
But, in my opinion, King Henry asking to be allowed to divorce and marry another was not swinging as he was asking to be freed before marrying another.. if you see what I mean??
They didn't all get together in one bed anyway
Quote by jaymar
Correct me if I'm wrong (someone here must know more about it than I do) but wasn't the C of E kick-started by Henry VIII so he could divorce and marry another woman? Isn't that an early example of swinging?
They were co-hearsed into allowing him to do so but later it was rescinded, so I believe.
But, in my opinion, King Henry asking to be allowed to divorce and marry another was not swinging as he was asking to be freed before marrying another.. if you see what I mean??
They didn't all get together in one bed anyway
I wonder how different things would be nowadays if they had. ;-)
Quote by cu3b4ll
Correct me if I'm wrong (someone here must know more about it than I do) but wasn't the C of E kick-started by Henry VIII so he could divorce and marry another woman? Isn't that an early example of swinging?
They were co-hearsed into allowing him to do so but later it was rescinded, so I believe.
But, in my opinion, King Henry asking to be allowed to divorce and marry another was not swinging as he was asking to be freed before marrying another.. if you see what I mean??
They didn't all get together in one bed anyway
I wonder how different things would be nowadays if they had. ;-)
So very true :lol:
Sex God
Quote by Peanut
My own personal opinion is that she should do one or the other.
Now she's been outed there's no way she can stand in a pulpit and preach the opposite of what she herself does in private. It's hypocrisy if she continues to swing whilst telling people they should follow the ten commandments and her faith not supporting sex out of wedlock etc etc.
Let's face it her congregation can hardly take her seriously now, or can they?
Being a Christian and being a swinger is not really hypocrisy as it's just a belief system where you can jettison some elements. But it's true hypocrisy to tell other people not to do something that you yourself do regularly and get enjoyment from.
Swinger is fine by me.
Vicar is fine by me.
A swinging vicar is not fine with me.
Hypocrites are much further up my scale of fuckwits than are vicars.
I agree.
On a secondary point, I think quite a few christians might disagree with the bit in bold.
The fact is though, I don't really care what vicars get up to either.
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another thought...
ok so on one foot shes preaching about the church and stuff ( soory not very religious) ( but i do believ in santa so want pressies still father christmas in case your reading this)
and shes having sex out side of the marriage, but this isnt one exclusive affair, they are swinging, i mean who with?? is it with members of the congragation?
what if she were to have sex with a man from the local community and then his wife came to her the vicar to get consouled about here husband adultery,, but the other woman is her the vicar :shock:
i may not want every one i work with to discover i swing, but i wouldnt lose my job over it. i dont tell peopel to do something or burn in hell then go and do it myself.
xxx fem xx
ok so on one foot shes preaching about the church and stuff ( soory not very religious) ( but i do believ in santa so want pressies still father christmas in case your reading this)
and shes having sex out side of the marriage, but this isnt one exclusive affair, they are swinging, i mean who with?? is it with members of the congragation?
what if she were to have sex with a man from the local community and then his wife came to her the vicar to get consouled about here husband adultery,, but the other woman is her the vicar :shock:
i may not want every one i work with to discover i swing, but i wouldnt lose my job over it. i dont tell peopel to do something or burn in hell then go and do it myself.
xxx fem xx
Quote by varca
The way I see it is that it's nothing to do with personal choice of the vicar and his wife. it is all about hypocracy.
I have always lived by the rule, If you join the club you must obey the rules. If you don't then you are a hypocrite.
The vicar professing to be a Christian, has joined the Christian church/club and has a rule book. That rule book, according to ALL Christian churches is the New Testament. The New testament is against swinging, buggery, homosexuality etc.,
They broke the rules.
Nuff Sed
Devils advocate here...
How many of us are in positions where your 'out of the office/factory/wherever' activities' would be deemed as subversive and sackable offences?
Take the military for example, you are not allowed to be affiliated to a political party, cannot join the Vegetarian Society, join the activists at ANother nuclear demo/Grand National/Animal Testing Lab etc? Yet after 'hours' you head to the local activists group meeting/log on to the Veggie Society website and so on. Okay, extreme examples I know but I suspect that this is what happens a lot. It certainly did for me when I was married to my military ex.
How many of us are in positions where our 'out of hours' activities would be deemed as 'black mailable' Scary thought but how many of us have actually read our contracts of employment and abide by every one of the rules and are squeaky clean?
How many of us are up to our eyes in debt and work in the financial industry knowing that if discovered you would lose your job?
How many of us are in the Police Force, Armed Services, Medical Profession and are members of the BNP or other extremist groups?
How many of us have roles where during the day we are responsible for the moral guidance of our children and yet once the school gates close we slip into bed with men and women who are not our husband/ wife/partner?
None of us are perfect.
Is she really any different to any of us here?
I would like to say here that I am accepting of all views and am non judgmental of anyone whatever their beliefs and how they choose to lead their lives. And I am for the most part but with the exception of those who take on positions of responsibility and care of others yet their 'out of role' beliefs/activities could cause harm or be detrimental to others. ie A Policeman who is a BNP member. That is so wrong!
Post and be damned time. Please excuse me whilst I go and don my 'flame' retardant vest
we may be but we are not preaching it as being wrong and judging otheres on that and are not signed up to a society that says it is wrong
The Ten Commandments
You shall have no other Gods but me.
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
Respect your father and mother.
You must not kill.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.
I cannot see how the vicar has broken any of the ten commandments here?
You shall have no other Gods but me.
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
Respect your father and mother.
You must not kill.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.
I cannot see how the vicar has broken any of the ten commandments here?
oh i dont actually care or feel i would judge her, i dont care to.
but i understand why those who are christians would feel hurt by this, and her congragation.
i would NOT however vote, post, campaing to support what she has done, as the op was requesting.
just cuse im a swinger dont mean i have the same values,morals or opinions as every other memebre here and i dont see why us as swingers shoud feel we would support somone who has hurt people and their faith, just cuse we are swingers.
xx fem xx
but i understand why those who are christians would feel hurt by this, and her congragation.
i would NOT however vote, post, campaing to support what she has done, as the op was requesting.
just cuse im a swinger dont mean i have the same values,morals or opinions as every other memebre here and i dont see why us as swingers shoud feel we would support somone who has hurt people and their faith, just cuse we are swingers.
xx fem xx
the current teaching of the church is that you have one life long partner of the oposite sex, ok there is divorce but you still only have sex with one person during any one period of your life. This means swinging is outside the jurisdiction of christians. Christians profess to believe the whole of the bible not just the bits that suit them, however they interpret it.
To stand up for that belief and do the oposite is hypocritical. To be in a place of authority within the church you cannot tell people to do one thing and do the opposite yourself.
To stand up for that belief and do the oposite is hypocritical. To be in a place of authority within the church you cannot tell people to do one thing and do the opposite yourself.
Sex God
The whole Church thing is very opewn to evolution - Maybe this Vicar is enlightened and a veritable Christian pioneer.
"What! You didn't did you", "And on the alter too, I hope you wiped up after the three of you, it is so sticky isn't it"
"What! You didn't did you", "And on the alter too, I hope you wiped up after the three of you, it is so sticky isn't it"
Sex God
This is the definition of adultery according to Wiki:
Adultery is the voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and another person who is not his or her spouse.
So one of the ten commandments would not be very happy
Adultery is the voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and another person who is not his or her spouse.
So one of the ten commandments would not be very happy
i really have no idea what to make on this story, have known this couple for about 6 or 7 years and have met them many times and to be honest they a really nice couple, i find the story on the link a bit dodgy, not sure how much is true and how much is a hype, she used to do meets away from home so as not to be found out so seems a bit odd that it came to light because she 'boasted' about it over dinner, and i know for a fact that she had given up being a vicar about two years ago and is now teaching in a school, another fact they forgot to mention
Quote by kentswingers777
The Ten Commandments
You shall have no other Gods but me.
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
Respect your father and mother.
You must not kill.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.
I cannot see how the vicar has broken any of the ten commandments here?
sorry to appear to be splitting hairs....
Theoretically speaking...the Ten Commandments are, according to religious tradition, commandments given by God at Mount Sinai to the Jewish people... as a vicar, and therefore a non-jew, this Vicar is not bound by them specifically.
The vicar... and again, according to "Abrahamic" religious tradition, is bound by the 7 Noahide laws, given to all humankind by God following the flood.
according to that traditional belief... she would be in breach of the rule concerning sexual promiscuity.
Not that its my place to judge!!
Quote by DeeCee
The Ten Commandments
You shall have no other Gods but me.
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
Respect your father and mother.
You must not kill.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.
I cannot see how the vicar has broken any of the ten commandments here?
sorry to appear to be splitting hairs....Theoretically speaking...the Ten Commandments are, according to religious tradition, commandments given by God at Mount Sinai to the Jewish people... as a vicar, and therefore a non-jew, this Vicar is not bound by them specifically.
The vicar... and again, according to "Abrahamic" religious tradition, is bound by the 7 Noahide laws, given to all humankind by God following the flood.
according to that traditional belief... she would be in breach of the rule concerning sexual promiscuity.
Not that its my place to judge!!
Well splitting hairs with you this says different.
" Judeo-Christian tradition ".
But then what do I know as I am a fully fledged athiest.
Quote by kentswingers777
how so???
i dont understand your point!!
It implies that the ten commandments is used for both the Jewish and the Christian faiths.
:i see it now....
i suppose i was only looking at it from the Jewish perspective... where it indeed states "The traditional Rabbinical Jewish belief is that the observance of these commandments and the other mitzvot are required solely of the Jewish people, and that the laws incumbent on humanity in general are outlined in the seven Noahide Laws (several of which overlap with the Ten Commandments). In the era of the Sanhedrin, transgressing any one of six of the Ten Commandments theoretically carried the death penalty, though this was rarely enforced due to a large number of stringent evidentiary requirements imposed by the oral law."
The latter part of the wikipedia article is indeed interesting... I hold my hands up... i wasnt truly aware of the Christian "view" on the 10 Commandments.
Hurray for Wikipedia...
To be fair I was not aware of it either. I just Googled it and was not sure if was right or wrong.
As I have said I am not really bothered about religion, as it seems to cause more problems than it solves.
What people want to do in their private lives as long as it is legal, should have no bearing on their day job. But then we live in a world of hypocrits I suppose.
As I have said I am not really bothered about religion, as it seems to cause more problems than it solves.
What people want to do in their private lives as long as it is legal, should have no bearing on their day job. But then we live in a world of hypocrits I suppose.
Quote by Mr_D_and_HotTart
Here's what the Bible says about swinging...
"in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:12
Well that's fine then to swing....do to others....what you would have them do to you. Yep sounds like a fine charter for a swinger to me.
Sex God
Vicars and Tarts parties Wayhey here we go again! Do me in the choir stalls lady god person and play on the BIG organ!! 
