Its a Hyundai SantaFe 2001 51 plate
Manufacturer figures quote less than I acheive for one reason..
The car when produced gave 113bhp and 265nm of torque..
My car has a chip fitted which increases bhp to 142bhp and torque climbs to 310nm.
As a result fuel efficiency is improved via greater torque and less need to change down a gear..
Emissions figures taken from the V5 give it a rating of 202G/KM and during its MOT the emissions meter read 0.0 for the exhaust emission.....
Cant get much better than 0 really..
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Tax Increase on 4X4's Now spireling in to the caravan debate
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hmm, not too much of a top-heavy 4x4 then, it's got a fairly wannabe rally car look to it, which I don't object to anywhere near as much as the 'let's see how tall we can make it' brigade.
Kerb Weight. 1793 kg. Towing Limit. 1870 kg. Safety Rating 4 stars. Fuel consumption 39.8 mpg (see what I mean about govt figures not bearing much relation to the real world?)
I'm having a hard time finding a heavy enough luxury saloon to comapre it to, but as an example...
Mercedes Benz E-Class 220 CDI Classic
Kerb Weight. 1610 kg. Towing Limit. 1900 kg. Safety Rating 5 stars. Fuel consumption 42.8 mpg
(all figures from the same site)
Kerb Weight. 1793 kg. Towing Limit. 1870 kg. Safety Rating 4 stars. Fuel consumption 39.8 mpg (see what I mean about govt figures not bearing much relation to the real world?)
I'm having a hard time finding a heavy enough luxury saloon to comapre it to, but as an example...
Mercedes Benz E-Class 220 CDI Classic
Kerb Weight. 1610 kg. Towing Limit. 1900 kg. Safety Rating 5 stars. Fuel consumption 42.8 mpg
(all figures from the same site)
Sex God
4x4s tend to have high ground clearance that means they have high centre of gravity. In other words they are less stable and will tip far more readily when cornering. One did flip when it hit the centre of a motorway.
If you want a road car a 4x4 is about as practical as a triumph aqua.
4x4s are good at what they are, then again there are some that I would not take off road.
If you want a road car a 4x4 is about as practical as a triumph aqua.
4x4s are good at what they are, then again there are some that I would not take off road.
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4x4s tend to have high ground clearance that means they have high centre of gravity. In other words they are less stable and will tip far more readily when cornering. One did flip when it hit the centre of a motorway.
If you want a road car a 4x4 is about as practical as a triumph aqua.
4x4s are good at what they are, then again there are some that I would not take off road.
And your point is ???
I have mine for a purpose......And it suits that purpose just fine..
Right basic facts now!!!!! if you look at how the towing hitch is fastened to all cars (including 4x4's) and i'm not just talking about the towing ball. The hitch is fastened on THE UNDERSIDE of the vehicle and trailer / caravan brakes work on an overun baisis meaning that brakes are operated by the trailer actually pushing forward on it's hitch and towing vehicle. But due to the placement of the hitch (underneath the car) as well as pushing forward it also tries to lift the towing vehicle upwards (clear of the road) losing road contact on the back axle and as jack knifes are mainly caused when the rear most wheels of the towning vehicle lock up and the whole combination tries to turn (spin) in a circle around this point (not good) it makes common and good SAFETY sense to have as heavier towing vehicle as is possible. I appriciate other family saloons on paper are suitable. However how much actuall weight is there in the arse end of a family car nowadays. MOST are front wheel drive so there is only a light trailing axle at the rear and undersprung suspension that is more than suitable for loading shopping and other things in the boot. However a rear/4 wheel driven 4x4 is usually suitable for crrying much more weight in the back and its rear suspension is built to make it suitable for the job. Now sit and think how much torsion, force or just plain old abuse a large caravan will inflict on the rear suspension on a towing vehicle its not just a matter of having a big enough engine that will pull it you know its how to pull safely for your own sake and OTHER road users.
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Right basic facts now!!!!! if you look at how the towing hitch is fastened to all cars (including 4x4's) and i'm not just talking about the towing ball. The hitch is fastened on THE UNDERSIDE of the vehicle and trailer / caravan brakes work on an overun baisis meaning that brakes are operated by the trailer actually pushing forward on it's hitch and towing vehicle. But due to the placement of the hitch (underneath the car) as well as pushing forward it also tries to lift the towing vehicle upwards (clear of the road) losing road contact on the back axle and as jack knifes are mainly caused when the rear most wheels of the towning vehicle lock up and the whole combination tries to turn (spin) in a circle around this point (not good) it makes common and good SAFETY sense to have as heavier towing vehicle as is possible. I appriciate other family saloons on paper are suitable. However how much actuall weight is there in the arse end of a family car nowadays. MOST are front wheel drive so there is only a light trailing axle at the rear and undersprung suspension that is more than suitable for loading shopping and other things in the boot. However a rear/4 wheel driven 4x4 is usually suitable for crrying much more weight in the back and its rear suspension is built to make it suitable for the job. Now sit and think how much torsion, force or just plain old abuse a large caravan will inflict on the rear suspension on a towing vehicle its not just a matter of having a big enough engine that will pull it you know its how to pull safely for your own sake and OTHER road users.
Not such a Bollox talker after all
Phredd
Quote by sheddy
Right basic facts now!!!!! if you look at how the towing hitch is fastened to all cars (including 4x4's) and i'm not just talking about the towing ball. The hitch is fastened on THE UNDERSIDE of the vehicle and trailer / caravan brakes work on an overun baisis meaning that brakes are operated by the trailer actually pushing forward on it's hitch and towing vehicle. But due to the placement of the hitch (underneath the car) as well as pushing forward it also tries to lift the towing vehicle upwards (clear of the road) losing road contact on the back axle and as jack knifes are mainly caused when the rear most wheels of the towning vehicle lock up and the whole combination tries to turn (spin) in a circle around this point (not good) it makes common and good SAFETY sense to have as heavier towing vehicle as is possible. I appriciate other family saloons on paper are suitable. However how much actuall weight is there in the arse end of a family car nowadays. MOST are front wheel drive so there is only a light trailing axle at the rear and undersprung suspension that is more than suitable for loading shopping and other things in the boot. However a rear/4 wheel driven 4x4 is usually suitable for crrying much more weight in the back and its rear suspension is built to make it suitable for the job. Now sit and think how much torsion, force or just plain old abuse a large caravan will inflict on the rear suspension on a towing vehicle its not just a matter of having a big enough engine that will pull it you know its how to pull safely for your own sake and OTHER road users.
Come again?
Sex God
Quote by jomu
So, whatever happened to the anti-jacknife device supposed to be fitted ?
You mean the Stabaliser, which helps to 'Reduce' any snaking but does not stop it happening espcially if the caravan is too heavy for the car which is towing it.
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So, whatever happened to the anti-jacknife device supposed to be fitted ?
The STABILIZER is their to do just that basically to stop snakeing and side ways roll, however it's now been done away with in most cases due to a new type of hitch that grips the towing ball tighter thus doing the same job. However i'm quite pertrubed to understand how if you'd read my explination on jack knifes as to how a stabilizer will stop a heavy caravan lifting a light car off the road.
:? :? :? Sheddy you will have to speak to Steve about how they work to reduce snaking..... I followed him to Somerset in Oct last year and there was a dreadful storm... I said to him about the fact that the caravan looked like it was snaking and he said he never felt a thing :lol2:
They do work and we wouldn't tow a van without one
Shireen
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They do work and we wouldn't tow a van without one
Shireen
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Sheddy you will have to speak to Steve about how they work to reduce snaking..... I followed him to Somerset in Oct last year and there was a dreadful storm... I said to him about the fact that the caravan looked like it was snaking and he said he never felt a thing :lol2:
They do work and we wouldn't tow a van without one
Shireen
xxx
Welll my point excactely i've blown past them in the truck when theve been behind a family saloon and the draft I caused doesn't half make them snake, however they remain strangely stable behind a 4x4 mmmm wonder why that is
:? :? :? :? :? 
the forces of which you speak , all that "abuse" is transfered to the rear suspension of a car , so the answer is to fit heavier duty shocks ! Funny enough 4X4s have those !
One point as I found in my Landrover days was that even though I had loads of pulling power, the tow ball hitch was way too high off the ground ! Answer was to fit a drop plate which enabled me to pull a standard trailer but the disadvantage was it lowered my ground clearance . If I towed without the drop plate the trailer would indeed, have a tendancy to want to "lift"
One point as I found in my Landrover days was that even though I had loads of pulling power, the tow ball hitch was way too high off the ground ! Answer was to fit a drop plate which enabled me to pull a standard trailer but the disadvantage was it lowered my ground clearance . If I towed without the drop plate the trailer would indeed, have a tendancy to want to "lift"
Sex God
Quote by Shireen_Mids
I can only surmise that it is because 4x4's are that much heavier than a car
Our 4x4 weighs but my Mondeo weighs about so quite a difference..
Shireen
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We do two with a mondeo at the moment (2.0 tdci) but it is around 1535kg and the van is only 1300kg (if fully loaded), so not a bad match and never moves, good traction (for a front wheel drive) great pulling power and still manages around 30mpg with the van on the back.
However, got to agree that for stability, nothing beats a 4x4 and as you know we are seriously thinking of changing to the same car that you presently use (just lacking a few funds at the moment)
Sex God
Quote by Shireen_Mids
Is your Mondeo the 130bhp one?? I can see a swap coming off here :lol2:
Shireen
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I wish
We have two of them, both 115 bhp but the oldest one (which he gave to me when he got a newer one) has safely towed up to 1500kg with VERY carefull packing. They are a fantastic car, very reliable, and fairly cheap to run (hate to rub it in, but only £135 tax). It tows all day in fifth gear but as I said, we are very carefull with the packing.We did consider the 130bhp estate model, slightly heavier, bit more power, but again, just a bit too pricey.
Sex God
Quote by Shireen_Mids
II thought we had a swap in progress then
Shireen
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Well two 115bhp's add up to 230bhp, which Im sure would be enough
:lol: Steve, get your arse up to Wigan and bring me new car with you :giggle:
Quote by sheddy
Sheddy you will have to speak to Steve about how they work to reduce snaking..... I followed him to Somerset in Oct last year and there was a dreadful storm... I said to him about the fact that the caravan looked like it was snaking and he said he never felt a thing :lol2:
They do work and we wouldn't tow a van without one
Shireen
xxx
Welll my point excactely i've blown past them in the truck when theve been behind a family saloon and the draft I caused doesn't half make them snake, however they remain strangely stable behind a 4x4 mmmm wonder why that is
:? :? :? :? :?Inside the hitch are little friction pads that grip the towball(which has to be used in a dry state)..
They ease the snaking considerably....And obviously the size of the towcar help as if the van moves around a bit the tail doesnt wag the dog so to speak..
Sexlightened
Ther's a lot of headless chicken running around here
The budget didn't mention 4x4's what it has done is put another band on top of the present layers of car taxation, cars with co2 emisions above 225 bits per whatever
No CHANGE to exsisting tax to pre 2001 cars and I think there a slight alterations to cars taxed on co2 emmissions
Think that there's been too much reading of right wing papers :lol: who never tell the truth just like to create a headline and push this country into producing stupid laws (like the smoking banin pubs
)
What you should do is drive around in old cars well matained (via a tax break) because the cost to the enviroment of making a new car far outways anything to do with emissions produced out of the back end of any car! there should be a limit on cars like you can only have a new one every 5 years say
lastly flights, another can of worms if you want to protect this planet they should be banned...................that's probally going to create another 9 pages of this thread and a lot more hot air and co2's going up in the air!
Oh! all caravaners buy a tent much more fun great to have sex in as well and you can stop worrying about snaking down the motorway :lol:
The budget didn't mention 4x4's what it has done is put another band on top of the present layers of car taxation, cars with co2 emisions above 225 bits per whatever
No CHANGE to exsisting tax to pre 2001 cars and I think there a slight alterations to cars taxed on co2 emmissions
Think that there's been too much reading of right wing papers :lol: who never tell the truth just like to create a headline and push this country into producing stupid laws (like the smoking banin pubs
)What you should do is drive around in old cars well matained (via a tax break) because the cost to the enviroment of making a new car far outways anything to do with emissions produced out of the back end of any car! there should be a limit on cars like you can only have a new one every 5 years say
lastly flights, another can of worms if you want to protect this planet they should be banned...................that's probally going to create another 9 pages of this thread and a lot more hot air and co2's going up in the air!
Oh! all caravaners buy a tent much more fun great to have sex in as well and you can stop worrying about snaking down the motorway :lol:
Sex God
Is this still rumbling on?
I’m sure even Blair/ Brown didn’t discuss it for this long
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I’m sure even Blair/ Brown didn’t discuss it for this long
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