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Tax Increase on 4X4's Now spireling in to the caravan debate

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Quote by outlaws2001
Ther's a lot of headless chicken running around here lol
The budget didn't mention 4x4's what it has done is put another band on top of the present layers of car taxation, cars with co2 emisions above 225 bits per whatever
No CHANGE to exsisting tax to pre 2001 cars and I think there a slight alterations to cars taxed on co2 emmissions
Think that there's been too much reading of right wing papers :lol: who never tell the truth just like to create a headline and push this country into producing stupid laws (like the smoking banin pubs mad )
What you should do is drive around in old cars well matained (via a tax break) because the cost to the enviroment of making a new car far outways anything to do with emissions produced out of the back end of any car! there should be a limit on cars like you can only have a new one every 5 years say
lastly flights, another can of worms if you want to protect this planet they should be banned...................that's probally going to create another 9 pages of this thread and a lot more hot air and co2's going up in the air!
Oh! all caravaners buy a tent much more fun great to have sex in as well and you can stop worrying about snaking down the motorway :lol:

rolleyes
probably best u read ALL of the posts made before u chime in.... smile
I really aint bothered about caravans i just know that last night at around midnight i was thundering through about 18inches of mud across fields with a herd of galloping loonatic horses chasing me, to get at their feed, we had to move them at a minutes notice so we could graze the sick horse nearby, but still keeping her seperate.... we have no choice here to run the herd we need a 4x4 and a big one at that.....
staggy
Quote by outlaws2001
No CHANGE to exsisting tax to pre 2001 cars and I think there a slight alterations to cars taxed on co2 emmissions

Vehicles with an engine capacity of 1549 or above (registered before the 1st March 2001) which fall into the Private Light Goods tax class will have their annual rate of duty increased by to
Have you people never heard of hotels ?? :giggle: bolt
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Oh! all caravaners buy a tent much more fun great to have sex in as well and you can stop worrying about snaking down the motorway lol

I can understand that a towed tent wouldn't snake as much, but surely it would get the odd tear after a few miles dunno
I supose towing a tent along the motorway may flap a bit, but tents are meant to have flaps. But a 4x4 would be quite justifiable in towing a campsite!
Staggy..... :rude: poke
Shireen
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we too drag a caravan - after using saloon cars a 4x4 is simply the best. nice to see other caravaners on this site too :P
I found this on another forum and thought it may be of interest.
Autocar Magazine list 55 vehicle manufactures producing 3042 different model variations.
Of the 3042 vehicle variations not one vehicle falls into the zero road tax bracket of 100 CO2 or below (not even the Smart diesel as reported on radio 4 yesterday) and only 88 of the 3042 vehicle variations will see the road tax reduction. 470 vehicle variations will get the reduction and 571 variations will remain paying the current road fund licence
The cleverly hidden part is the largest group by far, the normal family car / repmobile. They will face an increase of cunningly hidden by putting the spot light on us 4x4 drivers!
Of the 586 vehicle variations that fall into the NEW band G (225 CO2 and above) only 130 are true 4x4 (offroad) vehicles. Therefore the remaining 456 variations are sports or other luxury execcutive vehicles.
Although new Band G have been hit the hardest ( increase on new cars) us 4x4 drivers have been used as an effective smoke screen to hide the REAL whipping "Mr Anti 4x4 Joe Public" has taken (average £25 increase) but won't realise until they renew their tax!
It's not the people who need to drive 4x4s for whatever reason I object to. It's the middle class wannabe Mummy driving her little darlings 100 yards to school then takes up 2 parking spaces in Tesco car park before going off to the gym that really piss me off.
Reality check all those budding Mrs Rooneys.....get a life and a smaller car and make the little bleeders walk to school! The exercise will do them good ! mad
:thumbup: Sassy-Seren
Shireen
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Quote by Sassy-Seren
It's not the people who need to drive 4x4s for whatever reason I object to. It's the middle class wannabe Mummy driving her little darlings 100 yards to school then takes up 2 parking spaces in Tesco car park before going off to the gym that really piss me off.
Reality check all those budding Mrs Rooneys.....get a life and a smaller car and make the little bleeders walk to school! The exercise will do them good ! mad

NO :giggle:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Am i getting confused, but is ther no tax increase for pre 2001 cars? If thats the case i'm happy, if not i'm sad :cry: . All this tqalk about caravansis great but if i towed one god knows what crap i'd put out.( about 10 to the gallon i think)
jeff
Who's to sorry !! My car tax is now 0 (zero) each year.
Thought I'd dig this one up in light of the fact that reports claim that RFL will double in the next 2 years for so called "gas guzzlers" ....
Its fekin scandalous.....
Those that drive the real"Gas guzzlers" are often wealthy enough not to be bothered by the increase...
All dibdob brown is doing is hurting the working class again.....Those that need such vehicles....
mad :x :x :x :x
If you have larger cars with higher emissions, then yes you should pay more, someone driving a car leaves a much smaller carbon footprint, so they should benefit. Cant see why people are moaning, get rid of your bigger cars and buy a smaller one, or simply pay up.
It's got nothing to do with cutting green house gases and everything to do with bleeding us dry...
ffs, where IS all this money going?
Quote by m1970
If you have larger cars with higher emissions, then yes you should pay more, someone driving a car leaves a much smaller carbon footprint, so they should benefit. Cant see why people are moaning, get rid of your bigger cars and buy a smaller one, or simply pay up.

Yeeessss.....
So, someone driving a bigger car should pay more car tax ?
Like, road tax is only a small percentage of the cost of running a vehicle.
The driver of the larger engined vehicle (4X4) is paying much more tax anyway, because it does fewer miles per gallon. In fact, about twice as much (or more) than a one litre driver.
As for the "carbon footprint" thing....what dollop of shite thought that garbage up ?
MUST have been a scientist or polo.
Get this, the "black sooty stuff footprint" STARTS when the metal ores are dug up, and ENDS when the thing is finally trashed. And, in stark contrast to the scientific crapmunity THIS person has calced the carbon footprint to be damn near equal...the 1 litre thingumibob is going to be trashed well before the 4X4....which will be running long after the 1 litre has given up the ghost....and another (and another) produced to keep the population of 1 litre tosser-mobiles going (inevitably they are driven by Guardian reading-sandal wearing turds)
While you're busy installing your eco-friendly-but-shit-at-lighting-the-room-green-barely-fluorescent-energy-saving-glowing-thing you are happily forgetting that the very UN-green power stations are STILL going to be running EVEN WHEN NOBODY IS USING THE POWER.
Oh, and back to cars. In an effort to limit the crap produced by cars (well, mainly by trucks and buses and taxis really) they introduced the THREE WAY CATALYTIC CONVERTER....which lowers the pollution produced by the internal combustion engine....unfortunately, said cat-equipped car produces more CO2...what a bitch...back to the (recycled paper clad) drawing board. Can't use a CAD equipped pc...poor carbon bootmark. In any case, the worlds computers are using about 12% of the electricity generated. the car uses less. Work it out. Remember scientists ?
The same people who brought you thalidomide...and LOADS of other good things...
Quote by JTS
....and another (and another) produced to keep the population of 1 litre tosser-mobiles going (inevitably they are driven by Guardian reading-sandal wearing turds)

I have to say I am just a tad offended by your post!
I Drive a 1.3 litre little red ford KA....... and I am not a tosser or a turd nor do I read the guardian!
But I do wear Christian Dior sandals ......... (so you got me on that one) :giggle:
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Quote by m1970
If you have larger cars with higher emissions, then yes you should pay more, someone driving a car leaves a much smaller carbon footprint, so they should benefit. Cant see why people are moaning, get rid of your bigger cars and buy a smaller one, or simply pay up.

I strongly suggest you take half an hour or so and read all the posts in this thread.....
That way you can be assured of making an informed response..
What about my sandals?? :giggle:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
It's just took me the best part of 3 quarters of an hour to read through this post and I have to say the word "IDIOTS" spring to mind, why should anyone have to pay more duty than anyone else especially when they are already doing so in fuel costs, anyone who harps on about the environment and the ozone layer are needing to take a step back and open there eyes, do you think this extra charge is going to buy a new ozone layer? No it’s going to the government for their pensions while we all have to work to 80 to get ours, your argument sucks! These same people that are harping on about such things probably fly to Tenerife for there holidays each year which is more harmful than running a large car or 4x4 for 10 years, would you be happy then to pay a £200 flight tax for each flight? To sum it up the people who think 4x4 owners should pay more are simply just clueless! especially considering the extra fuel duty they already have to pay for the privilege. I'm more than happy to pay towards any good cause but this isn't one of them. Some people need these type of vehicles and depend on them. Taxing them more when they already pay excess costs through fuel is nothing more than scandalous and the people out there that do depend on these vehicles will still use them because they need them, yes some people don't need 4x4's but why should people who do need them be punished for someone else's selfish needs? Most people that do rely on these vehicles do so not because they’re rich or have money to burn but because it suits there needs, look at smoking and cigarettes as an example people are drawn to poverty due to tax levels on them, some people try to quit but fail miserably. Overtaxing does more harm than good in my opinion, If the money was going to the cause I’d be more than happy to contribute my share but its just lining the governments pockets and wont make a single bit of difference to our environment. For gods sake where’s the argument???? Extra funds to the government won’t help global warming or the environment :shock:
Fun Scottish Couple worship
Something else occured to me today after I heard the announcement..... Who was the bright spark that thought it was a good idea to scrap road fund tax on vehicles over 25 years old?? dunno Vehicles that pump out more crap than the newer 4x4's rolleyes
Quote by blonde
What about my sandals?? :giggle:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

What about em dunno
Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
do you think this extra charge is going to buy a new ozone layer?

The extra money will no doubt go to prop up the failing NHS and pensions due to the fact the country is full to bursting.......And a lot of spongers who are simply dragging the country down..
Quote by Mallock2006
The extra money will no doubt go to prop up the failing NHS and pensions due to the fact the country is full to bursting.......And a lot of spongers who are simply dragging the country down..

Well they should stick 20p on beer and spirits then the drunken louts that fill our A&E every weekend would be helping there own cause rather than try to make money from things people rely on. just a thought.
ps. this has nothing to do with your aviator by the way biggrin :D
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ps. this has nothing to do with your aviator by the way biggrin :D

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