Teachers to oppose MoD ''propaganda''

27 Mar 2008

I read this in the independent yesturday at work and have to say i was very shocked :shock: especialy about the bit in bold !

Teachers have vowed to stop military recruitment campaigns in schools that promote pro-war "propaganda" to teenagers.
The National Union of Teachers (NUT) voted to back staff who resist Armed Forces recruitment drives and called for "education for peace" to be embedded in the school curriculum.
Delegates at the NUT's annual conference in Manchester called for a campaign to undermine efforts to enlist new teenage recruits in an attempt to hasten the return of British troops from Iraq.
The union backed a motion committing the NUT to "support teachers and schools in opposing Ministry of Defence recruitment activities that are based upon misleading propaganda".
Paul McGarr, a delegate from east London, told the conference: "Personally, I find it difficult to imagine any recruitment material that is not misleading. We would have material from the MoD saying 'Join the Army and we will send you to carry out the imperialist occupation of other people's countries.
"'Join the Army and we will send you to bomb, shoot and possibly torture fellow human beings in other countries. 'Join the Army and be sent - probably poorly equipped - into situations where people try and shoot you and kill you because you are occupying their countries.'
"When I see the MoD putting out recruitment material saying that, then maybe I won't have a problem with using it in school. Until then, I think that all recruitment material is misleading and should be opposed."
The motion committed the NUT to holding a summit of teachers, education experts and campaigners to consider the issue of military recruitment in schools. The NUT will now campaign for pupils to hear from speakers "promoting alternative points of view" and to have "education for peace embedded in the curriculum along with education about the military".
The Ministry of Defence hit back at the NUT, denying that it actively recruited pupils in schools.
Brigadier Andrew Jackson, Commander of the Army Recruiting Group, said: "The single-Service schools teams visit about 1,000 schools a year, only at the invitation of the school. Their aim is to raise the general awareness of the Armed Forces in society, not to recruit.
"We are proud of the work we do with schools and colleges to inform young people about the tremendous work and careers on offer, which can provide fantastic and unique opportunities to a wide range of people from all sectors of society."

Now i agree that there are some people out there who don't like the Armed forces, but i have to say this is just rediculas(sp?), if they are going to do this to the armed forces then maybe the should start doing it to all employers,

27 Mar 2008

What's ridiculous, teachers opposing the Armed Forces recruiting in school? Or the actual words in this article?
The bit in bold hasn't actually appeared on any recruitment material - it's someone saying that that should be on it if they are not being misleading.

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
What's ridiculous, teachers opposing the Armed Forces recruiting in school? Or the actual words in this article?
The bit in bold hasn't actually appeared on any recruitment material - it's someone saying that that should be on it if they are not being misleading.

Both, and i know they haven't appered on recruitment material but i think it's total unexceptible that are people asking for that to be put on recruitment material, if your going to do that for the MOD then why not ever other employer

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Garfield1
Both, and i know they haven't appered on recruitment material but i think it's total unexceptible that are people asking for that to be put on recruitment material, if your going to do that for the MOD then why not ever other employer

I think what they mean is that if the Armed Forces are going to recruit in schools, then they need to be truthful about what the kids should expect - and not have it glorified. I have been to both my daughter's and to my son's post-16 evenings and at neither of them did I see any other employer attempt to glorify what they do. The Armed Forces, however, did. They promote the forces way of life as being exciting, opening doors etc., when in reality it's school leavers going to fight wars. My son was starting to be sucked in, until he heard of a friend's cousin (aged 17 and a half) who had been killed. That is the reality. You don't get that working as a manager at Tesco.

27 Mar 2008

Our Wankers this Week are the delegates at the annual conference of the National Union of Teachers.
Today they debated a motion calling for the Army to be banned from visiting schools. They claim that "schools are being asked to play a partisan role in war". The motion also calls for "the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq", as though that's any of their business. Most of us probably thought that the job of a teachers' union was to protect the interests of its members in their work - silly us.
There are two really absurd things about the motion. One is that a national organisation of undervalued professionals ought to recognise a duty to support the members of another undervalued national institution at a time when they are laying their lives on the line for … I nearly wrote "us", but of course it isn't for us, is it? Who the hell knows what it's for? Anyway, at a time when they're laying down their lives for … something or other.
The other is that the Army only visit schools by invitation, something the NUT knows perfectly well. If these teachers don't want the Army in their schools, they could just not invite them - but that would be too easy, wouldn't it? In fact the Army does not recruit in schools. But if it did, would that be such a bad thing?
The fact is that this motion is just another opportunity for the weak-kneed left to put the boot into our armed forces, who they presumably regard as a bastion of wealth and privilege, and not nearly multi-cultural enough.
Bastards.

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Freckledbird

Both, and i know they haven't appered on recruitment material but i think it's total unexceptible that are people asking for that to be put on recruitment material, if your going to do that for the MOD then why not ever other employer

I think what they mean is that if the Armed Forces are going to recruit in schools, then they need to be truthful about what the kids should expect - and not have it glorified. I have been to both my daughter's and to my son's post-16 evenings and at neither of them did I see any other employer attempt to glorify what they do. The Armed Forces, however, did. They promote the forces way of life as being exciting, opening doors etc., when in reality it's school leavers going to fight wars. My son was starting to be sucked in, until he heard of a friend's cousin (aged 17 and a half) who had been killed. That is the reality. You don't get that working as a manager at Tesco.
I would have to disagree firstly every employer glams up what they do secondly not every person who join the Armed forces goes to war

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Garfield1
I would have to disagree firstly every employer glams up what they do secondly not every person who join the Armed forces goes to war

I don't think Tesco would even try to glam up what their managers do! Sorry anyone who's a manager at Tesco, but I'm sure it's never been seen as, nor is, glamorous. lol

My employer didn't glam up my job.
When I was in the RNR, every person in the RNR and, as far as I was aware, the regular Navy, knew that there was a possibility of them going to war, whatever their job, if the need arose.

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Freckledbird

I would have to disagree firstly every employer glams up what they do secondly not every person who join the Armed forces goes to war

I don't think Tesco would even try to glam up what their managers do! Sorry anyone who's a manager at Tesco, but I'm sure it's never been seen as, nor is, glamorous. lol

My employer didn't glam up my job.
When I was in the RNR, every person in the RNR and, as far as I was aware, the regular Navy, knew that there was a possibility of them going to war, whatever their job, if the need arose.
i have worked and still work with a lot of members of the Tri-services and if there was a war they wouldn't be going any were near it.
ok but what about other public service sector i doubt for one instance that the NHS didn't glam up there recruitment so it the MoD has to they way aren't they shoting for the NHS to do so as well

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Garfield1
i have worked and still work with a lot of members of the Tri-services and if there was a war they wouldn't be going any were near it.
ok but what about other public service sector i doubt for one instance that the NHS didn't glam up there recruitment so it the MoD has to they way aren't they shoting for the NHS to do so as well

Maybe because less people are likely to be killed working for the NHS?

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Freckledbird

i have worked and still work with a lot of members of the Tri-services and if there was a war they wouldn't be going any were near it.
ok but what about other public service sector i doubt for one instance that the NHS didn't glam up there recruitment so it the MoD has to they way aren't they shoting for the NHS to do so as well

Maybe because less people are likely to be killed working for the NHS?
hmm at the rate the nhs is going, the last hospital i worked at two people died from Sudden cardiac arrest whilst working on the ward and one person was take ITU with a subarcnoid bleed and was carted off to the nearest NICU and this was on christmas day.
not forgeting all the ambulance crew that get attacked on a daily basis and they are campaining for stab vests, most ED rooms have security and full time police staff in them due to the violence,
and how about the fact that the average working week for nurse's ODP's Ambulance crew ect are in excess of 48hr per week due to short staffing
the point i am trying to make is every join has it's inherent negitive sides but if people are going to pick on one employer and make them de glam the job then all should be
I have never seen one advertisment for the NHS stating the truth
'come work for the NHS Hours of work will be recorded as 48 but your more likely to work 60+ also if your lucky enough to fine a job it won't be very local so expect and average journey time or 2-4hr depending on traffic, also we will be charging you for the pleasure of coming to work for this will be in the region of 120-200 pounds per year, this is on top of your registration, professional body and indemnity insurance, lunch break what that you dont have time for lunch. Oh you want to save lifes sorry chap wrong job the only thing you do here is met targets.

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Garfield1

Both, and i know they haven't appered on recruitment material but i think it's total unexceptible that are people asking for that to be put on recruitment material, if your going to do that for the MOD then why not ever other employer

I think what they mean is that if the Armed Forces are going to recruit in schools, then they need to be truthful about what the kids should expect - and not have it glorified. I have been to both my daughter's and to my son's post-16 evenings and at neither of them did I see any other employer attempt to glorify what they do. The Armed Forces, however, did. They promote the forces way of life as being exciting, opening doors etc., when in reality it's school leavers going to fight wars. My son was starting to be sucked in, until he heard of a friend's cousin (aged 17 and a half) who had been killed. That is the reality. You don't get that working as a manager at Tesco.
I would have to disagree firstly every employer glams up what they do secondly not every person who join the Armed forces goes to war
yes your right not everyone goes to war when they join the army...but i don't think there is a box you tick if you don't fancy the idea of being in a war zone...i don't like the idea of the Armed Forces recruiting from schools either!

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Freckledbird

i have worked and still work with a lot of members of the Tri-services and if there was a war they wouldn't be going any were near it.
ok but what about other public service sector i doubt for one instance that the NHS didn't glam up there recruitment so it the MoD has to they way aren't they shoting for the NHS to do so as well

Maybe because less people are likely to be killed working for the NHS?
hmm at the rate the nhs is going, the last hospital i worked at two people died from Sudden cardiac arrest whilst working on the ward and one person was take ITU with a subarcnoid bleed and was carted off to the nearest NICU and this was on christmas day.
not forgeting all the ambulance crew that get attacked on a daily basis and they are campaining for stab vests, most ED rooms have security and full time police staff in them due to the violence,
and how about the fact that the average working week for nurse's ODP's Ambulance crew ect are in excess of 48hr per week due to short staffing
the point i am trying to make is every join has it's inherent negitive sides but if people are going to pick on one employer and make them de glam the job then all should be
I have never seen one advertisment for the NHS stating the truth
'come work for the NHS Hours of work will be recorded as 48 but your more likely to work 60+ also if your lucky enough to fine a job it won't be very local so expect and average journey time or 2-4hr depending on traffic, also we will be charging you for the pleasure of coming to work for this will be in the region of 120-200 pounds per year, this is on top of your registration, professional body and indemnity insurance, lunch break what that you dont have time for lunch. Oh you want to save lifes sorry chap wrong job the only thing you do here is met targets.

27 Mar 2008

And the point I am making is that not every employer does glam up the jobs they offer. To say that they do is a sweeping statement at best. There are probably less fatalities due to working in the NHS or other public sector jobs (or probably most jobs, actually) than working for the Armed Forces.

27 Mar 2008

'Join the Army and we will send you to carry out the imperialist occupation of other people's countries.
"'Join the Army and we will send you to bomb, shoot and possibly torture fellow human beings in other countries.
'Join the Army and be sent - probably poorly equipped - into situations where people try and shoot you and kill you because you are occupying their countries.'
and these aren't then

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Garfield1
'Join the Army and we will send you to carry out the imperialist occupation of other people's countries.
"'Join the Army and we will send you to bomb, shoot and possibly torture fellow human beings in other countries.
'Join the Army and be sent - probably poorly equipped - into situations where people try and shoot you and kill you because you are occupying their countries.'
and these aren't then

Aren't what?

27 Mar 2008

Hmmm, I'm torn here.
I've worked in schools and seen some of the excellent work the Armed Forces do on team-building, motivational, leaderships days etc. I've also seen some of the so-called 'toughest' kids be incredibly proud coming back in and talking about their acceptance into one or other of the Forces.
I've also organised many careers and recruitment events - both in schools and in the private sector for adults - and I have to say that, in my experience, when they are actively recruiting then ALL employers try to present their company and the opportunities within it in the best light they can. Recruitment is all about the hard sell at the end of the day - you might not glamourise the hard work aspect of the job you are recruiting for, but you sure as heck try and put forward the positives - bonuses, commission, healthcare, discounts or whatever other 'benefits' working for you would hold above your competitor.
So... I can understand what the OP is saying, in terms of if schools want the Armed Forces to be honest then they should equally expect other employers to be honest too.
That said, I don't think I am averse to the Armed Forces or other recruiters coming into schools. Students need to be made aware of the options open to them, and we should do all we can to encourage them to go out and grasp the opportunities that are out there, in whatever their chosen field is.
Not trying to make light of people serving in the Armed Forces or the sacrifices they make, but if someone had been honest with me and told me that as a retail manager I might/would usually work 50+ hrs per week (rather than tell me about the fab bonus scheme and discounts I'd get) then I may well not have ended up working for that particular company....
...but then I fell for the hard sell, didn't I?!
Nola x

27 Mar 2008

If you join up that you have to be prepared at any point to go to war with the possibility of giving your life in the service of your country whatever your trade or position within those services is.
I think that it is an honour to serve your Queen and country and conversely that your country should honour those in the service of it.
Obviously the main reason the services are there is military although I think that the lifestyle that the service offers in many other respects is very good and probably worth communicating in a positive way.
Its hardly likely that the services would ever in all sense advertise "Join up and you might die"
We should at least be thankful that in this country it is a choice of the individual that they join up not the state. The thing the forces omit to mention is the bottom line of the job. Hey but then which businesses do advertises their downsides?

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Garfield1
'Join the Army and we will send you to carry out the imperialist occupation of other people's countries.
"'Join the Army and we will send you to bomb, shoot and possibly torture fellow human beings in other countries.
'Join the Army and be sent - probably poorly equipped - into situations where people try and shoot you and kill you because you are occupying their countries.'
and these aren't then

No they aren't glammed up because they are a deliberately unglammed version by someone who wants it told as they see it.
Make sense for goodness sake!
.

27 Mar 2008

Also, when you join up, don't you have to go through a training period - doesn't that have a get out clause? I thought it did.
Once you are in the forces, there is nothing glammed up from what I've heard, it's bluddy hard work from the word go. Just because you've joined, doesn't mean you have to stay there for the next 50 years, and I don't think it takes long for the wrong type of people to realise that it's not a career for them.
It can offer chances of a life time to many, a lot of incredible experiences to be had, that's what they promote to get people to take a second look. But once you begin, from day one, it's hard training, with no glamming it up, you're faced not only with hard physical work, but also mental training....... still with a get out option.
I don't know of anyone whatsoever so far that has joined the army thinking it's a doddle, then thought, 'well bugger me, I didn't know you had to go to wars, they never said that in the promotion' - and if there was anyone that thought/said that, I can't imagine them lasting in the forces anyway before getting kicked out for pure stupidity..... after all, if you're in a life and death situation, you ain't gonna have a lot of faith in the dimwit that didn't know that the forces included combat situations!!
Course the forces go to bluddy wars, surely everyone knows that these people are trained for war situations, please don't tell me that they up until this day, everyone or anyone is cluesless as to what the forces do confused

Personally I think that tosh up there is more of the PC bullshit that's worse than the 'promotion' these people are against.
People that do join the forces and stay with it, I feel deserve a huge respect and gratitude. That lot up there to me looks almost derogatory towards the very people that are fighting for our country!!!
Now I'm off my soapbox, I've just realised I know nothing of this report or the circumstances behind it. I just read it and got on my high horse lol

So apologies if I've got totally the wrong end of the stick, and please correct me if necessary

27 Mar 2008

I toatly agree that all those points need to be in the recruitment material for the armed forces. As long as the teachers union supports the next advert for teacher recruitment by saying:
Get a job and work with children that:
1 Punch you
2 Spit on you
3 you
4 Murder you
5 Have no respect for you
Where did all those points come from? All of these points have happened within the past few years and were widely reported.
Will they advertise that I wonder? Very doubtful. Why won't they? Because nobody would want to work in that profession. Bit like the forces really. You don't bare the warts of a job until you have them under contract.
Dave_Notts

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Dave__Notts
I toatly agree that all those points need to be in the recruitment material for the armed forces. As long as the teachers union supports the next advert for teacher recruitment by saying:
Get a job and work with children that:
1 Punch you
2 Spit on you
3 you
4 Murder you
5 Have no respect for you
Where did all those points come from? All of these points have happened within the past few years and were widely reported.
Will they advertise that I wonder? Very doubtful. Why won't they? Because nobody would want to work in that profession. Bit like the forces really. You don't bare the warts of a job until you have them under contract.
Dave_Notts

Why do you think there's a shortage of teachers? lol

I haven't been or murdered yet, mind! Have been subjected to the other three though.

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
Why do you think there's a shortage of teachers?

Same reason there is a shortage of soldiers. Bad press :lol:
The news only concentrate on the negative because it sells newspapers.
I know what good teachers do within our society and how their jobs can be fulfilling to them. I have learned this by friends who are teachers telling me about the good in children they work with.....and sometimes they have to deal with bad.
Same applies to the armed forces. They do alot of good in this world. But the press will only concentrate on the negative.
The forces build roads for the local people, they build buildings like hospitals and schools, they provide medical care where there isn't any, they supply energy and water to give the basics needs and they also let people live without fear until a civil administration can be formed to allow the civil authorities to run the place.
None of this is ever portrayed by the press.
I joined the forces as a boy to "go to war". I will not make any bones about that fact. However, what the forces taught me was to respect life and to embrace it. To help your fellow human being. To share with others who are less fortunate, even if it means you go hungry. My time serving allowed me to take a hard good look at my original perception of why I joined. My original reason was wrong. I believe that the "propaganda" that this NTU person is talking about is the reasons I stayed for my full contract. That is what made me proud to wear the uniform, and proud to see the men and women of a new generation doing the same things that I done, to help those less fortunate than me.
Dave_Notts

27 Mar 2008

I joined the army.
It was what my family did. I followed in my fathers, mothers, grandfathers etc etc footsteps and I was proud to do it.
Because of the trade that I had I was unique as a woman. I didn't know this before I joined.
I didn't know that when waiting for course to start and trade training to begin that I would be picking leaves off trees before they fell.
That I would be painting kerb stones green and then back to white because the OC had changed their mind.
The list of shit jobs goes on.
Then when qualified going on exercise which was the only respite from the mundane 9-5 plus shifts on guard. (no time in lieu) Working in minus 14+ on exercise and being told by my 'colleagues' to go and ask for a 'long stand' and being made to wait outside the stores wagon until I registered my error. Meaning that I was finishing my work late into the night to make up the time I lost while others slept.
Watching people get pleurisy, break ribs, loose fingers, have a miscarriage (oh yeah, that was my first baby) because of the horrific working conditions that were not governed by any health and safety exec that I saw.
There was no complaints procedure. No monthly supervision.
For me there was bullying. ' women are the armed forces prostitutes aren't they?' Sexual harassment/abuse. I witnessed attempted suicides and one successful one was cut down by me. I witnessed many many many things that make me question how I lasted so long.
Would I have joined if I knew all this ? No. Would it be a true reflection of all that the army has to offer. (Let alone the other forces)No.
Do I regret my time. No. I learnt a friggin lot when I was in and most of those Dave_notts has listed. Not least it taught me the nature of human behaviour and how it is different in a pack and is certainly never to be underestimated. Good or bad.
Do I want school to have them at recruitment days. Not at all. They have no place in schools. Purely because they never ever allude to the basic shit. They over glamorise it. They lie through their teeth about it. They make it look much much better than it is and they are beginning to target (like our pals in the US) the most vulnerable of people. That is just not on. What 'we' want in the forces is those who are committed to the way of life and who are intelligent enough to make the best of it. But whom also have other options and aren't stuck there.
I came out sane and in tact. I was and am a strong person. Who really did live by the squaddie philosophy ' they can't make you pregnant'. Just don't say that around the ones who were (male and female) The ones who were expected to strip off and run naked through the workshop before being greased and strung up.
Oh gosh.. I am ranting again.
Keep them out of school. It isn't a career with easily transferable skills like teaching or nursing. It is a way of life and it really doesn't suit a lot of people.

27 Mar 2008

Splendid, I hate to break it to you, but I think we agree again. :shock:

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
Splendid, I hate to break it to you, but I think we agree again. :shock:

oh, just bugger off now. This is getting creepy.
One or both of us has changed............ confused

:shock:

27 Mar 2008

Thank you Ms Splendid kiss

Briliant post :thumbup:

27 Mar 2008

Quote by Lost
I think that it is an honour to serve your Queen and country and conversely that your country should honour those in the service of it.

Agreed Lost. A litte off topic I know but some attitudes today make my blood boil.
It's very fashionable at the moment to hate the army. Largely, I assume, because of Irag and Afghan. At the end of the day those of us who serve our country do so because we want to do our bit. It's not about torturing Iraquis or maintaining an Imperial presence overseas. It's about feeling the need to do a duty that not many people are willing to do.
We get sent where we are told. You can't not follow a career path that you have always wanted just because it might involve going on a particular operation.
So while you might not like the operations currently underway, please remember that it isn't the army who choose to deploy and it would be nice if people could show some respect for people that do a bloody difficult job!
Rant over... wink

27 Mar 2008

Mr Hot..........
The attitude ogf the NUT is not unexpected when you consider that the vast majority of their membership have never actually left school. at the same conference that this motion was tabled there was another motion demanding the immediate withdrawal of armed forces from Iraq. It is left wing pacifist propoganda which has been inflamed by an incompetant government allowing us to get sucked into a war that is illegal, unpopular and will no doubt end up in the prosecution of Tony Blair and other cabinet officials. Unfortunately, it is the public perception of 'Tommy' that suffers not the politicians.
We live in a very dangerous world and our borders are so loose that the fabric of our society is changing by the day but we have had it so good for so long that really, as a nation - we just don't care, we can't be bothered but one day our armed forces will be called on to do something vitally important and lets just hope that they can be bothered !!
Well, we don't have to worry because the positive attitudes that all of the armed forces influence on our military personnel will ensure that our nation will always be defended by the best of the best and they will always answer the call from whoever it comes and to wherever they are required.
Our beautiful and easy life should never be taken for granted and every single one of us should be grateful that there are men and women in our armed forces who will make the ultimate sacrifice.
The armed forces do not mislead recruits. It is a life of excitement, travel, adventure and camaraderie. You get to play with the most expensive toys the incumbent government allows you to have and unless you are front line infantry or Royal Marines you will hardly notice the conflict area's that you serve in. If you are front line then you relish the opportunity to do the job you have trained to do.
In the early 1980's We hade PIRA and the Argies to deal with and walking the streets and fields in NI could be a hazardous experience and there was considerable complaining and grief at friends blasted into oblivion by a cowards bomb hidden in a milk churn by the side of the road. Today the boys and girls in Iraq and Afghanistan face similar threats and I am sure some will complain and leave as a result of their discomfort and stress - but now, as then, none will leave a worse person and ALL will have benefited from a service that promotes ambition and self fulfilment. The only thing that stays the same is the government trying to save a few quid and failing to support the fantastic work of all our armed services.
This statement by the NUT is, in my opinion, obsece, disgusting and down right treacherous. Depite the personal risk I endured from 1979 to 1984 I am promoting the armed services as a worthwhile career choice to all three of my children because the very experience will give them the life skills that 99% of the NUT simply do not have.
As an aside, I wonder if 16 years olds don't watch TV anymore? You can't fail to see the risks that our armed forces currently endure - it is on the news every night and has been for the last three years.
Excitement - Yes
Adventure - Yes
Camaraderie - Yes - Friends that last a lifetime
Danger - Yes
Risk of Death - Yes more so for front line, considerably less for Army support, Royal navy and RAF personnel
Will it make you a better person - You will never see a Chav in Her Majesty's Armed Forces and you will never hear the words:
can't be bothered
I don't care
whatever
The armed forces will indoctrinate young people, yes it will - it will brainwash them to have discipline, self disclipline, motivation, respect and courage. These are all personal attributes sorely lacking in British society today. A Society that generally speaking can't be bothered, does not really care and expects everything whilst giving nothing in return
rant.... I'm only just starting !!

28 Mar 2008

The military are a necessary thing. Unfortunately - unlike most other 'service' careers, being a good military person often means you are not a good or effective civilian. The more effective the training, the harder it is to transfer back to the 'real' world. The younger the training starts the deeper it goes. Not all by any means - but there are plenty of ex-army on the streets cos they can't cope.
For this reason I feel that people should not join the army etc until they have had a life outside - NEVER straight from school. So recruiting from school should not be possible.
When I was at school I knew next to nothing about careers at all - there should be loads of different organisations visiting schools, but some like the military should wait.

28 Mar 2008

A bit like teachers then

Quote by foxylady2209
The military are a necessary thing. Unfortunately - unlike most other 'service' careers, being a good military person often means you are not a good or effective civilian. The more effective the training, the harder it is to transfer back to the 'real' world. The younger the training starts the deeper it goes. Not all by any means - but there are plenty of ex-army on the streets cos they can't cope.
For this reason I feel that people should not join the army etc until they have had a life outside - NEVER straight from school. So recruiting from school should not be possible.
When I was at school I knew next to nothing about careers at all - there should be loads of different organisations visiting schools, but some like the military should wait.