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Does it matter ?

Quote by Phoenix
I can't be bothered to drawl through the posts so far, so I'll just throw in my tu'pence worth and bugger off again.
This is where most of the confusion has arisen. Munches being renamed as Socials to get around people from other sites attending. At one point, a private party I went to was taken to PM and the thread locked because non members were going :shock: FFS
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True what you say. I remember a very long thread on the subject of banned members attending munches via other sites.
I am blowed if I can find the thread now. Has it gone into Cyber-space ?. (note- it is not the thread I started some time ago).
Phredd

in edit = just tried the search button again and it is not my friend. It will only show the first page of the search. from 2 to 560 somthing it will just show empty page. ??????
Quote by Dawn_Mids
There's always one wanting to bring politics into a good discussion rolleyes
For the record Phoenix, the owners of SH haven't changed any rules on munches or socials advertised on the forum. If any changes have been made, it has nothing at all to do with the SH admin team or profits :roll:
Socials can and are posted on more than one site. Munches are support by SH and are only advertised here, how does that affect money dunno

Politics :dunno:
I was raising the point of naming and definitions, on the issue that gatherings originally started as Munches were renamed as Socials because of the cross site issue. This did and recently has caused confusion. I said that the relatively simple option of the adding of the word "open" to Munch and Social, to indicate that it is also advertised elsewhere but still indicate what type of event it was, is unlikely to be favoured on a commercial site. What was wroing with that comment ???
The point of the thread was more about the impressions of what people expect when they go to a social/munch/party.
I don't understand this
Quote by Phoenix
That was my point on the issue of renamimg of "Munches" to get around rules, it's not for "the good of swinging and the community", it's for money.

How is it for the money dunno
How can it be for the money when the owners of the site dont benefit financially from munches/socials?? dunno
Oh and Dammie.... You dont look over 40 wink
Quote by Dawn_Mids
The point of the thread was more about the impressions of what people expect when they go to a social/munch/party.

Yes, and the point was stated that there had been a number of "renamings" to overcome rules, that had confused people as to what Munches/Social/Parties were and what to expect.
I don't understand this

That was my point on the issue of renamimg of "Munches" to get around rules, it's not for "the good of swinging and the community", it's for money.

How is it for the money dunno
Suprise me then, put the proposition forward to freely allow the posting of threads in LMU for "Open Munches", meaning those that are also advertised elsewhere and do not have to be "members of this site only".
Fred, banned members from any site are a completely different bag of worms.
Off to do some work and earn money....
Quote by Phoenix
Suprise me then, put the proposition forward to freely allow the posting of threads in LMU for "Open Munches", meaning those that are also advertised elsewhere and do not have to be "members of this site only".

As far as I am aware, non SH members have NEVER been allowed to attand a munch....
Quote by Phoenix

I don't understand this

That was my point on the issue of renamimg of "Munches" to get around rules, it's not for "the good of swinging and the community", it's for money.

How is it for the money dunno
Suprise me then, put the proposition forward to freely allow the posting of threads in LMU for "Open Munches", meaning those that are also advertised elsewhere and do not have to be "members of this site only".

All that does is changes the word 'social' to 'open munch' and for a social to be advertised here, it does not have to be members of this site only confused (Leaving banned members out of this for now}
Still don't see how it is down to money :dunno:
Quote by Phoenix
Suprise me then, put the proposition forward to freely allow the posting of threads in LMU for "Open Munches", meaning those that are also advertised elsewhere and do not have to be "members of this site only".
Fred, banned members from any site are a completely different bag of worms.
Off to do some work and earn money....

Phoenix I understand the point you are raising here, but I do don't think that money or membership is an issue.
Munches have always been soley for site members only - here and over the road.
Socials are open to all (with the exception of banned members on this site). Hence why there are more Socials than munches being organised here at the moment.
The admin have never tried to step in and change the rules or stop events being advertised here if non members are invited.
The Munch guidelines have not been updated since the site changed hands.
Quote by Phoenix
Suprise me then, put the proposition forward to freely allow the posting of threads in LMU for "Open Munches", meaning those that are also advertised elsewhere and do not have to be "members of this site only".

How does that involve money? There are still non-paying members of this site. As far as I'm aware, we don't have to pay anyone to attend a munch.
Quote by HornyLittleBlonde
Socials are open to all (with the exception of banned members on this site). Hence why there are more Socials than munches being organised here at the moment.

That's why I rasied the issue
The admin have never tried to step in and change the rules or stop events being advertised here if non members are invited.

Hence the change of name from Munch to Social for some events and confusion that has ensued.
Quote by Frecklebird
How does that involve money? There are still non-paying members of this site. As far as I'm aware, we don't have to pay anyone to attend a munch.

It is not your money and it's not the paying of going to a munch. It is the free advertisement of an event elsewhere than SH that is the thing, meaning possible lost revenue. If people can go to another site for free to see what is on and get invited, why should they pay to come on SH to see what is going on (talking paying and new members here).
That is why a "Open Munch" event, despite {non financial} site rules, and a simple possible solution, is not suitable for a commercial site.
Anyway, to get back on subject, I still say the venue has a great dictation on what the event can be called and hence the state of "dress" that can be worn.....
I am sure that if the management of SH weren't happy about events being advertised anywhere, they would put a stop to it in order to limit the loss of revenue.
Dress codes don't, or shouldn't, come into the equation - most munches have a casual dress code, ie pub wear - it's just certain people who push that to the absolute limit at times.
Quote by Phoenix
Anyway, to get back on subject, I still say the venue has a great dictation on what the event can be called and hence the state of "dress" that can be worn.....

I'm not going to get into the "Who can attend what" topic here, as I think that's a whole other thread and topic. I have the problem at the moment of how to raise it and not leave it open to a . . . . . "because that's the way it is, that's the way it's always been, and that's the way it's going to stay. We are not going to allow you to talk about it ! ! ! ! " As it does with other unpopular topics.
But . . . .
I agree that the venue (it's facilities) has a massive influence over the name, but my concerns are more in line with a previous poster. That of expectation, and I suppose duration of the event.
Quote by dammy
I have the problem at the moment of how to raise it and not leave it open to a . . . . . "because that's the way it is, that's the way it's always been, and that's the way it's going to stay. We are not going to allow you to talk about it ! ! ! ! " As it does with other unpopular topics.

Where did that come from? What's the relevence? Has someone threatened your thread or are you just saying it for effect??
Mal
Quote by Freckledbird
Dress codes don't, or shouldn't, come into the equation - most munches have a casual dress code, ie pub wear - it's just certain people who push that to the absolute limit at times.

Some of the best Munches I have been to have involved swapping of clothes and generally good clean adult fun.
The best Socials have been in sombre pubs where you can hold a conversation (without taking your clothes off lol )
This is where I see the distinct difference, Munch (private room/venue) to Social (public place) . You don't have to wear anything particular at a "private" venue but you are given the opportunity to - it's called freedom.
In a public place you have little option.... no clothes swapping in the Lounge of the Red Lion :lol:
Similarly, the duraction is also governed by the venue (although less so with 24hr drinking). Social (public venue) = til 11pm, Munch (private venue) = til the beer or people run out :lol:
Quote by dammy
I have the problem at the moment of how to raise it and not leave it open to a . . . . . "because that's the way it is, that's the way it's always been, and that's the way it's going to stay. We are not going to allow you to talk about it ! ! ! ! " As it does with other unpopular topics.

You asked the questions.
I can only answer them.
Quote by Mal
Where did that come from?

From my own experience of using the forums, accepting the rules and ethos of the place - but not always unquestioningly, having friends and acquaintances here, and having had conversations with them.
Because it's also been raised elsewhere within this thread.
Because I have been asked why I haven't started the "other thread"
Because I've previously been told, publicly, and in private, by Mods - including yourself -that some topics are not even open to discussion, regardless of any change in circumstance or ethos of SH. A stance I disagree with.
Because I’ve never been afraid to step up and provide my own rope, without the necessity for some to give me enough.
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What's the relevence?

The relevance is to as whyI haven't started the other thread.
Quote by Mal
Has someone threatened your thread . . . . . .

As far as I'm aware, this thread hasn't been threatened.
Quote by Mal
. . . . or are you just saying it for effect??

The effect I hope the post that you have questioned may have is, to answer some of the questions I have been asked, and to keep this thread to it's original topic/question. There is nothing underneath, behind or hidden in the post.
And to be perfectly honest - I'm surprised and a little insulted you feel the need to ask.
Dammy
I'm afraid that I'm not even going to respond to your reply. I have better things to do with my evening.
Mal
Speaking from my own viewpoint, i have voted yes it matters, despite my own apathy.
im now at the point where i have no clue what to call anything, the only thing i have been to, which is what it says on the tin, is a private party
i have been to a munch, a social, and a do, and each of them has basically amounted to the same thing - people at a bar, be it open to the public, or hired for our own use, and when that finishes, back to the hotel, to carry on the drinking, for some its to keep the night going, some have drifted off home or back to their hotels at some point
im sure there are reasons why each event has been named as such (munch/social/do), but i honestly couldnt say why that particular event i attended was a munch, this particular event was a social, im now at the point of calling each thing an event, as it encompasses all the terms, its a weekend that i go away (with , very sadly, two exceptions, that i couldnt, due to finances) , and selfishly, i dont look at the title the event is given, but who is going to be there - if there are people there that i want to meet, want to talk to, or re-acquaint myself with, thats the only factor in my decision
the problem there is, that through my apathy, or more specifically, ignorance, it will mean i am unable to answer any question, that i may possibly be asked by someone newer to the community than i, for i do not have any idea myself, its simply, i go away for a weekend, have some drinks, and some people go back to the hotel, yes i could tell that person that some sort of shenanigans may go on, but the last munch/social/do i went to, i spent 4 hrs sitting in my hotel room, having an excellent conversation with a young lady, and the last party i went to, i was laying on a bed chatting with someone for nearly double the time, and i have to admit, i think i got more enjoyment from that, than i would have done if i was in a room full of people playing, thats no reflection on the event, just where im at at the moment, and with all that in mind, i honestly couldnt give any decent advice to a person that asked me.
but with that, also comes something that was once told to me "no point gaining experience, if you dont share it" i am new, relatively speaking, but this is a community that i have chosen to be involved with, at whatever level, and if someone comes to me with a question, the time i have been here, the amount of events i have been to, i should be able to tell someone the answer to... "whats the definition of...", as surely its not so much a duty, but definitely in our interests to nurture and build this community, and with that, have every possible answer to a question clear and defined?
Quote by Freckledbird
Dress codes don't, or shouldn't, come into the equation - most munches have a casual dress code, ie pub wear - it's just certain people who push that to the absolute limit at times.

He..he If you are ever in Newcastle (and feeling brave) have a wander through the Bigg Market after 8pm...............then you will see pub wear being pushed to limits :shock: lol
Les x
Quote by couple_ne2000

Dress codes don't, or shouldn't, come into the equation - most munches have a casual dress code, ie pub wear - it's just certain people who push that to the absolute limit at times.

He..he If you are ever in Newcastle (and feeling brave) have a wander through the Bigg Market after 8pm...............then you will see pub wear being pushed to limits :shock: lol
Les x
I once saw a group of young 'ladies' flashing everyone who walked past Yates' in the middle of Newcastle, needless to say me and the missus averted our eyes and hurried past :twisted:
I know we dont do cross-postings, but, if I may, for a moment bring your attention to this, http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/82305.html to illustrate, in part, the need for this thread.
As far as I'm aware, there has always been a 'certain way of doing things' - the known and tried & tested way, which most folk understand, know where they stand, are clear in what to expect, what is acceptable dress & what isnt, what is appropriate behaviour and what isnt , yadda yadda ... and is accepted by the majority as the way things are done around here, and passed on through the swinging gene tree (friend to freind, mentor to mentee, old-hands & those who've been round the block to newbies. That's how it works.
We havent had chatroom exclusive events, excessive charges, 'socials' that are advertised in the ads section, colour-coordinated get togethers, Munches where it doesnt matter if you've been here 5 years or 5 minutes, or people talking about 'Munches' that were actually parties. There's no wonder the 'social' scene is hitting more problems than ever before in terms of number of people not turning up when push comes to shove, because there's so much bloody confusion over what the fuck people are putting their name to, and more importantly turning up to. And it needs sorting. IMHO.
It's easy really......
Munch - Large number of people requiring a hired venue, open to all site members NO PLAY
Social - Smaller numbers where a pub is adequate, non members (but not banned members) allowed, also includes the ability to say no to anyone they dont want to come NO PLAY
Parties - Fuckfest?? dunno
See dead simple :smug:
Quote by mike48
It's easy really......
Munch - Large number of people requiring a hired venue, open to all site members NO PLAY
Social - Smaller numbers where a pub is adequate, non members (but not banned members) allowed, also includes the ability to say no to anyone they dont want to come NO PLAY
Parties - Fuckfest?? dunno
See dead simple :smug:

To encompass so much in so few word has to be pure genius
worship :worship: :worship: :worship:
Isn't it so true to keep it so simple
AND I'm sober
it would be nice to keep it simple - then it would all be easy peasy lemon sqeezy. But it isnt.
:arrow: we have Munches.
:arrow: we have Munches that were socials but upgraded
:arrow: we have Munches that arn't really munches
:arrow: we have Non-wedding non munch munches
:arrow: we have virtual not real wedding attempted munches
:arrow: we have Newbie Munches
:arrow: we have Mini-Munches
:arrow: we have Munches that cant be called Munches because they're advertised elsewhere, therfore have become 'socials'
:arrow: we have socials that are Socials
:arrow: we have 'socials' that are pre-party/pre gang-bang meets
:arrow: we have 'socials' that are chatroom exclusive
:arrow: we have 'socials' that range from BBQ's at people's houses to ice-skating and curry nights
:arrow: we have 'socials' that are for freinds only and 'socials' that lead on to club visits.
:arrow: we have house parties, and weekend parties, and camping parties, and gang bang parties, birthday parties, moving-in parties, dogging BBq's, BBW socials, Black on white socials, parties by pm invite only........
confused: confused yet? :?
Quote by Darkfire
confused: confused yet? :?

Nope because all of them can be easily put into one of the 3 catagories smile
Sorry hun, I was add little comments along side of each one but I have a headache sad
which category does 'social' that's actually a pre-party meet fall into then? dunno
and what should a newbie expect on arrival? :dunno:
or a social that's actually a Munch in all but name but cant be called that becuase it's perhaps advertised elsewhere? but the venue is an adequate Munch venue with seperate facilities...... but its billed as a social..... but the dress is Munch style...... but its still a social.....where people are greeted with the SH Munch 'handshake'? ... and in walk a newbie couple who had this idea in their head that it was a 'social' :dunno:
I see what you're saying Shireen, but it really isnt that cut and dry anymore.
Quote by Darkfire
which category does 'social' that's actually a pre-party meet fall into then? dunno

It's a social
and what should a newbie expect on arrival? :dunno:

To be greeted by their host who will then introduce them to another person who hopefully then introduce them to another... Unless you are like me and just wade in shouting "who's turn is it to buy the beer" wink If it's a Munch or a social then they will experience people all chatting and drinking just like they do down the pub or at a vanilla birthday party....
or a social that's actually a Munch in all but name but cant be called that becuase it's perhaps advertised elsewhere? but the venue is an adequate Munch venue with seperate facilities...... but its billed as a social..... but the dress is Munch style...... but its still a social.....where people are greeted with the SH handshake?

It's a social because there are non SH members there...
I see what you're saying Shireen, but it really isnt that cut and dry anymore.

Isn't it?? :dunno:
ok, let me get this straight.
a meet for drinks in a pub before everyone moves on to a private house party (aka a "fuckfest" ) is a social (aka no play) ?
and a 'function' in a private venue with private facilities with many people dressed to a 'theme' or provocative & sexy and snogging each other hello is a Social ? dunno
i'm changing my name to blonde, cos I still dont get it.
sorry :dunno:
Quote by Darkfire
a meet for drinks in a pub before everyone moves on to a private house party (aka a "fuckfest" ) is a social (aka no play) ?

You never said that though Darkfire.... If a pre house party meet in pub is advertised then it would be a social.... The private house party would be a party and they should be advertised seperately....
Quote by Darkfire
ok, let me get this straight.
a meet for drinks in a pub before everyone moves on to a private house party (aka a "fuckfest" ) is a social (aka no play) ?
and a 'function' in a private venue with private facilities with many people dressed to a 'theme' or provocative & sexy and snogging each other hello is a Social ? dunno
i'm changing my name to blonde, cos I still dont get it.
sorry :dunno:

Thats how i would read it because the "fuckfest" is afterwards and not during the meet.
Quote by Darkfire
ok, let me get this straight.
a meet for drinks in a pub before everyone moves on to a private house party (aka a "fuckfest" ) is a social (aka no play) ?
i'm changing my name to blonde, cos I still dont get it.
sorry dunno

I don't fancy getting my balls chewed by a rottwieler (hmmm, I dunno, let me rethink that)....
anyway, I see that before the "party" in this instance is a social., afterwards is a private party.
Two different venues, hence two different titles.
However, I do take your point of naming things to get around rules... as per my post earlier. I just fear that taking this issue further will result in tightening of rules rather than relaxation, for the furtherment of swinging.
Quote by Phoenix
However, I do take your point of naming things to get around rules... as per my post earlier. I just fear that taking this issue further will result in tightening of rules rather than relaxation, for the furtherment of swinging.

What a load of bollox..... rolleyes
The rules regarding Munches and socials have remained the same throughout the site's lifetime.... Why will they be tightened?? dunno
Why would we want them relaxed?? :dunno: