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The end of Human Rights in the U.K ?

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Quote by Unc
OK so Wunderhorse has a thing about race and a somewhat florid posting style. Lets not ignore the main issue; a register is being launched where a one-sided view about people's character is made available to employers. This can include personal details like NI number, addresses, telephone numbers and photographs, and those listed will not know they have been included.
As there is no public access to this register, the only way to find out if you are on it is to write to the 'data controller' with sufficient detail to ensure that you are identifiable as a person entitled to ask. If you are listed, the only way to know what data is held is to pay for it. To me and I hope to any fair-minded person, that is unjust.

But it is just ANOTHER database, not the only one. The only thing that sets it apart is that it is an employers database. In fact, just ANOTHER employers database. It goes along with all the data held on you by banks, building socs and everyone else you shop/bank/wank with. Your bank or credit card issuer knows where you shop and how much you spend. Your mobile phone provider knows where you are at just about any time (or your phone, except when you lose it in which case they know but won't tell you). This country is agog with people and organisations who know more about you and your habits than you know about yourself. Get used to it, it's only going to get worse. The gov may well lose your data, but they only lose it to other people they never lose it completely, they're just spreading it around a bit....like jam in fact.
As for racism...who cares...the racism card is played too much now in my opinion, and far too many people think that any racially-inclined comment is racism. In many cases it is just a lack of sensitivity and not racism. But hey, if you don't agree with the message you can always shoot the messenger.
Quote by JTS
Your mobile phone provider knows where you are at just about any time (or your phone, except when you lose it in which case they know but won't tell you).

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Regarding your link to support your Alan Sugar comment, the last paragraph states
"However, its 2006-07 annual report indicated a decline in the number of claims to employment tribunals, with 84,039 cases compared to 109,712 in 2005-06."
So perhaps he is now having the opposite effect?
And don't forget, it's just reality TV! lol
Your comment - "I feel like the person in the ‘crows nest’ of the Titanic sighting that now infamous iceberg but unable to mention this as it might just upset the guests… "
Not quite, more a case of shouting ICEBERG!' when there isn''t one. That's what upsets the guests!
Mal
Quote by JTS
But it is just ANOTHER database, not the only one. The only thing that sets it apart is that it is an employers database. In fact, just ANOTHER employers database. It goes along with all the data held on you by banks, building socs and everyone else you shop/bank/wank with. Your bank or credit card issuer knows where you shop and how much you spend. Your mobile phone provider knows where you are at just about any time (or your phone, except when you lose it in which case they know but won't tell you). This country is agog with people and organisations who know more about you and your habits than you know about yourself. Get used to it, it's only going to get worse. The gov may well lose your data, but they only lose it to other people they never lose it completely, they're just spreading it around a bit....like jam in fact.
As for racism...who cares...the racism card is played too much now in my opinion, and far too many people think that any racially-inclined comment is racism. In many cases it is just a lack of sensitivity and not racism. But hey, if you don't agree with the message you can always shoot the messenger.

All fair points. But this register is different. It isn't a database you are required to be in by law, as you are with government databases. It isn't a database you know you are going to be in, like mobile phone or credit agency databases where you have a choice. You have no way of knowing if you are on this register or not unless you ask and the data held is not necessarily factual. It is also exposing personal information to people who have no right to it.
IMV anyone entered onto this register should be informed that that is happening, be provided with full details of the data being stored and be given the opportunity to contest any incorrect or biased information.
Quote by Mal
Regarding your link to support your Alan Sugar comment, the last paragraph states
"However, its 2006-07 annual report indicated a decline in the number of claims to employment tribunals, with 84,039 cases compared to 109,712 in 2005-06."
So perhaps he is now having the opposite effect?
And don't forget, it's just reality TV! lol
Your comment - "I feel like the person in the ‘crows nest’ of the Titanic sighting that now infamous iceberg but unable to mention this as it might just upset the guests… "
Not quite, more a case of shouting ICEBERG!' when there isn''t one. That's what upsets the guests!
Mal

Employment court case stats are misleading Mal. The routine now is to require both parties to undergo conciliation procedures before the case proceeds to the court stage. Only after both parties fail to reach, or seem unlikely to ever reach, conciliation does the case proceed to the court stage.
All fair points. But this register is different. It isn't a database you are required to be in by law, as you are with government databases. It isn't a database you know you are going to be in, like mobile phone or credit agency databases where you have a choice. You have no way of knowing if you are on this register or not unless you ask and the data held is not necessarily factual. It is also exposing personal information to people who have no right to it.
IMV anyone entered onto this register should be informed that that is happening, be provided with full details of the data being stored and be given the opportunity to contest any incorrect or biased information.

The register is not different, it is just another database on which information is held about people. Information is held about you on many systems, many of which you will be ignorant of. Not only that, but many databases hold information about you which they will never divulge to you, irrespective of law. Strangely, information held about you on a home office database is easier to get via the USA systems using the freedom of information act over there, because the home office routinely shares info with the the USA. Funnily, the CSA is quite happy to send you the info they hold about you. Loads of it, since they record ALL phone calls you make to them and transcribe it when you ask for info release. In fact, it was over 100 pages of A4 in my case. Lots of it consisting of asterisks.
If you are worried about info being incorrect, then you should worry about the NHS database being compiled as I type.....it will contain all the info about you that exists within the NHS system. And, to date, the amount of people with access to that info exceeds 300,000. When completed the info will be available to all healthcare professionals (professional doesn't necessarily mean doctors by the way) and also to areas of local councils....like childcare and council tax departments. A similar database is being operated with details of ALL children within the UK. Doubts have already been stated about the security that this system operates under, like there is very little.
I'll worry about the employers database as and when it causes me problems, as if I care much....they cannot even get my address right in successive weeks !
Quote by noladreams30
You only have the right to comment if it does not offend anyone else, goes against their beliefs, or contradicts their opinion.

Failing that, move to China

What? So I can't say my piece anymore in case it doesn't tally with what someone else thinks?! :shock:
Quote by annejohn
if this is a serious quote you really have some strange ideas.
p.s. i dont give a monkeys if that offends you,goes against you beliefs or opinions .

To answer the above, it was just me being sarcastic, I would never say anyone is wrong for saying what they felt, more often than not, it just highlights their ignorance, raising the issue with them then more often than not brings an aggressive stance whilst defending their beliefs.
In both cases, it says more about them than what their opinions actually are.
Quote by Wunderhorse
Now I made a point about Data Protection or lack of it within the Public Sector of the United Kingdom.
Don't you agree with this..?

Whether we agree or not is the issue here but I really do think you should do some more reasearch around the DPA and not slag off public sector workers without having evidence to back it up with. You quote one very 'misquoted' incident, which in reality was nothing like the scenario posted in any of the national rags or the TV. It did not contain the information quoted and did not put any members of the public in danger.
However, as you seem to be in the expert on this, Im sure you already know that.
Anyway:
And:
Quote by JTS
The register is not different, it is just another database on which information is held about people.

Actually it is different, for the reasons already stated.
Quote by JTS
Information is held about you on many systems, many of which you will be ignorant of. Not only that, but many databases hold information about you which they will never divulge to you, irrespective of law.

Since I worked with "many databases hold information about you which they will never divulge to you, irrespective of law" for some years it's not a surprise that they exist:-) There is a big difference in data held under exemption from the provisions of the DPA and data held by an employers organisation without exemption.
Quote by JTS
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I'll worry about the employers database as and when it causes me problems, as if I care much....they cannot even get my address right in successive weeks !

It's fine that you feel no need to worry until it causes you problems. It's also fine that some people are also concerned with principles, not just their own circumstances.
Quote by Unc
OK so Wunderhorse has a...florid posting style.

Dearest Unc,
I did not know this word florid so I had to look it up.
These are the words that came back:
ornate, flamboyant, strikingly beautiful, eloquence & chivalry.
Why Unc you praise me with such a lovely & kind word.
I even for me, am very humbled by such kindness from a lovely stranger.
From,
Wunderhorse.
Quote by Unc
snip OK so Wunderhorse has a thing about race and a somewhat florid posting style. snip

Of late it seems to be somewhat condecending(sp) dunno
The databases may well be exempt that you worked with, I know not.
I have a policy of screwing-up data in anything I fill-in...inaccuracies abound on data input, something I tend to help-along.
In any case:
The Data Protection Act insists that people are told when they are added to the database, told when their entry is accessed, and gives them rights to correct any inaccuracies

Yeah..... right. As if anyone really cares anyway, and that's not the people whose info is input, that's the companies/organisations inputting the data. I check my credit rating, something that is easy....as for employers files....they don't get my home phone number...I just tell them I only have a mobile. The dvla database is always wrong, according to them my motorcycle is uninsured.... and my car is grey...they have never corrected either....
The problem, the major problem, with databases is that the people putting the data in don't care, and the companies storing same don't either.
Oh, and:
prospect of substantial fines for deliberate or reckless breaches of the Data Protection Principles will act as a strong deterrent and help ensure that organisations take their data protection obligations more seriously

that will also be a first.