The year is 2104. Men and women fuck in the street as children are placed in protective booths and suck on meat-flavoured lollipops.
Strangers queue at disused hoverparks to have sex with strangers - there is the risk of disease but AIDS was cured 75 years ago and unwanted pregnancies no longer exist. However, most of the public have bored of human-human sex and are either jacked into the internet and cybersexing with dead filmstars, or off their heads on McOpiates.
Approximately 25% of the population is transexual: either men who have perfect breasts and luscious hair, or women who have grafted penises above their vaginas.
Of course, this is just the first world. In the Third World, men and women just fuck as usual, although the Pope's endorsement of contraception has cut the population. Even the Imams decided to give the intravenous pill their blessings.
Meanwhile, in London, and old, old man called Greg fucks another cloned 18-year-old fuckdoll, endless reliving the fantasies of his youth, but each fuck seems more and more meaningless.
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The year is 2104. Men and women fuck in the street as children are placed in protective booths and suck on meat-flavoured lollipops.
Strangers queue at disused hoverparks to have sex with strangers - there is the risk of disease but AIDS was cured 75 years ago and unwanted pregnancies no longer exist. However, most of the public have bored of human-human sex and are either jacked into the internet and cybersexing with dead filmstars, or off their heads on McOpiates.
Approximately 25% of the population is transexual: either men who have perfect breasts and luscious hair, or women who have grafted penises above their vaginas.
Of course, this is just the first world. In the Third World, men and women just fuck as usual, although the Pope's endorsement of contraception has cut the population. Even the Imams decided to give the intravenous pill their blessings.
Meanwhile, in London, and old, old man called Greg fucks another cloned 18-year-old fuckdoll, endless reliving the fantasies of his youth, but each fuck seems more and more meaningless.
I never was sure about you Greg; but now - I'm convinced _ as pissed as I am
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Tskkk... you show an ounce of creativity and people scream "DRUGS!".
My drug of choice is Seroxat. Actually, it's not my choice, it's just nigh impossible to quit the fuckers. Aside from that, a spliff every 6 months and a pick-me-up once a year. I am hardly a debauched hedonist.
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Tskkk... you show an ounce of creativity and people scream "DRUGS!".
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My drug of choice is Seroxat. Actually, it's not my choice, it's just nigh impossible to quit the fuckers.
At the happy age I am; I'm glad to know I'm still learning. What is Sexorat and what does it do???
Well, it was a more a metaphor for what is happening now.
There's more sex than ever, but people seem generally unhappy with their choices. People don't want to connect directly with those around them. Increasingly, people are shut into impersonal relationships with people off the internet, where they can be an open and honest as they want, but escape at any time by turning off the PC. And then the pendulum swings in the other direction, because you realise you are so starved of basic human contact that you end up in a car park somewhere, fooling around with a stranger because it makes you feel less alone.
I'm not knocking the internet and the sexual freedom it gives.... has been amazing for me. But I also realise that the more strange/disconnected sex I have, the more my soul seems to ebb away.
We have more choice than ever, but I am not sure we use it wisely.
There's more sex than ever, but people seem generally unhappy with their choices. People don't want to connect directly with those around them. Increasingly, people are shut into impersonal relationships with people off the internet, where they can be an open and honest as they want, but escape at any time by turning off the PC. And then the pendulum swings in the other direction, because you realise you are so starved of basic human contact that you end up in a car park somewhere, fooling around with a stranger because it makes you feel less alone.
I'm not knocking the internet and the sexual freedom it gives.... has been amazing for me. But I also realise that the more strange/disconnected sex I have, the more my soul seems to ebb away.
We have more choice than ever, but I am not sure we use it wisely.
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Tskkk... you show an ounce of creativity and people scream "DRUGS!".
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My drug of choice is Seroxat. Actually, it's not my choice, it's just nigh impossible to quit the fuckers.
At the happy age I am; I'm glad to know I'm still learning. What is Sexorat and what does it do???
It's an widely prescribed anti-depressant or SSRI (Selective Serotoin Re-Uptake Inhibitor) often used in cases where the patient is suffering from anxiety. Has been used for problems such as Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and shyness...the companies who made it said it wasn't addictive...either they lied or they were wrong!
LC
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Yup too damn right. It is also a sexual suppressant!!
Interesting scenario Greg. I hope it doesn't happen. Actually I think SH is the antithesis o it.
Sex God
I quite liked it actually............. especially the bit about 25% of people being transsexual 
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Casanova
WHAT ?? :uhoh:
There I was looking forward to another routine Sunday, when
WHOOOOOSH
This thread ? ?
This is bizarre when you read it on a Sunday morning !!
'' Nurse the screens, I need my medication, quickly, quickly !! '' :eeek:
Dan
There I was looking forward to another routine Sunday, when
WHOOOOOSH
This thread ? ?
This is bizarre when you read it on a Sunday morning !!
'' Nurse the screens, I need my medication, quickly, quickly !! '' :eeek:
Dan
Sex God
I think it is very imaginative and very different to anything I've read here for a bit.
It does rely on the forecaster's trick of the quantum leap, which shocks the reader, who naturally, tries to relate to it. The reality is that the people in the scenario have arrived there by imcrements and it is normal and acceptable to them. They would view our lifestyle with disgust and, if they hadn't heard about it before, with shock too.
The greater proportion of transgendered people would be a voyage of discovery for a short while but then it would turn into voyages into the same territory after a bit wouldn't it? Vive la difference I say - as long as la difference has got plenty of kinks in it we're OK aren't we?
Got any more Greg??
It does rely on the forecaster's trick of the quantum leap, which shocks the reader, who naturally, tries to relate to it. The reality is that the people in the scenario have arrived there by imcrements and it is normal and acceptable to them. They would view our lifestyle with disgust and, if they hadn't heard about it before, with shock too.
The greater proportion of transgendered people would be a voyage of discovery for a short while but then it would turn into voyages into the same territory after a bit wouldn't it? Vive la difference I say - as long as la difference has got plenty of kinks in it we're OK aren't we?
Got any more Greg??
Casanova
Hey,
please don't get me wrong, I like it and it's very imaginative.
But, I betcha he 'aint out of bed until this afternoon !! :doh:
I think a trip to the medicine cabinet may be in order, a few Nurofen washed down with some Alka Saltzer may be required !! :eeek:
Then straight off to the pub to watch the match ?? :beer:
Dan
please don't get me wrong, I like it and it's very imaginative.
But, I betcha he 'aint out of bed until this afternoon !! :doh:
I think a trip to the medicine cabinet may be in order, a few Nurofen washed down with some Alka Saltzer may be required !! :eeek:
Then straight off to the pub to watch the match ?? :beer:
Dan
Sex God
Very good being a person of limited imagination Im very impressed. Paints a very Blade runner type image of the future.
Sex God
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.... And then the pendulum swings in the other direction, because you realise you are so starved of basic human contact that you end up in a car park somewhere, fooling around with a stranger because it makes you feel less alone.
People go Dogging for company? You do surprise me.
Orgasminator
Hey Greg... you set me thinking...
Imagine a time, as in the excellent film Blade Runner, when humans would find it very difficult to differentiate between other human beings and androids. Humans are going to use Androids for sex - pretty obvious really - but what if the design of Androids became so sophisticated that they were capable of reading your sexual wants at exactly the right second? Imagine having a warm, supple body doing exactly to you what you want at exactly the right time... with me so far... oh... you need a minute... okay... I'll be here wating...
tap... tap... tap... tap... you done yet? Good...
Where was I? Oh yes... so having used this perfect body that seemingly knows your body inside out what would be the incentive to then have sex with a real human with the possible imperfections, selfishness and ignorance that can interrupt the flow of sex.
Of course we all know the difference and that is love... when you love someone you make love and if you don't then it's sex... so would it be morally okay, when in a loving relationship, to still have sex with a gorgeous android. I wonder though how many partners would feel threatened by their partners using an android for sex...
Oh bugger... I've reached one of those 'I wish I hadn't started this' moments but I've invested about fifteen mins of my time on this so I'm gonna post it but please feel free to ignore this drivel... LOL
We didn't get to bed till very late due to Bro and Sis-in-law coming over for a chinese and lots to drink... so I'm prolly hallucinating!
Imagine a time, as in the excellent film Blade Runner, when humans would find it very difficult to differentiate between other human beings and androids. Humans are going to use Androids for sex - pretty obvious really - but what if the design of Androids became so sophisticated that they were capable of reading your sexual wants at exactly the right second? Imagine having a warm, supple body doing exactly to you what you want at exactly the right time... with me so far... oh... you need a minute... okay... I'll be here wating...
tap... tap... tap... tap... you done yet? Good...
Where was I? Oh yes... so having used this perfect body that seemingly knows your body inside out what would be the incentive to then have sex with a real human with the possible imperfections, selfishness and ignorance that can interrupt the flow of sex.
Of course we all know the difference and that is love... when you love someone you make love and if you don't then it's sex... so would it be morally okay, when in a loving relationship, to still have sex with a gorgeous android. I wonder though how many partners would feel threatened by their partners using an android for sex...
Oh bugger... I've reached one of those 'I wish I hadn't started this' moments but I've invested about fifteen mins of my time on this so I'm gonna post it but please feel free to ignore this drivel... LOL
We didn't get to bed till very late due to Bro and Sis-in-law coming over for a chinese and lots to drink... so I'm prolly hallucinating!
Wibbly... you kinda have my idea. I think that one of the dangers of the internet/sex with strangers/swinging is that you stop looking at people as human and start looking at them as pornography. Instead of seeing a whole human, with all the good/bad things that involves, it's easy to start thinking in terms of she'll do anal/he swallows/he's 9"/she's busty.... you're no longer trying to connect to another human being, you just want an ultra-realistic version of porn.
And no, I am not hungover this morning. I wasn't drunk/wasted last night.
Most sci-fi isn't about the future, it's a metaphor for the past and the present.
And no, I am not hungover this morning. I wasn't drunk/wasted last night.
Most sci-fi isn't about the future, it's a metaphor for the past and the present.
Ok, just some thoughts inspired by Gregs post!
I take your point that some people treat others as porn. I think it comes down to the individual, about their approach to sex. Some people use others as an aid to masturbation, for sure. Yeah, then sex can become meaningless if that's the attitude. Personally, I don't find the encounters I've had to be meaningless. Even sex with a complete stranger, you never forget that they are human and I find that sharing of a basic human need for sex is a profound turn on! Funnily enough, I have had sex with someone I have just met and then that has developed into a friendship. Without the sexual encounter we may not have 'bonded' and gone on to be friends. That's the beauty of this site SH and in particular the forum. People here get to know each other and often share their most intimate thoughts. They develop friendships and relationships which are very real, because we are real people! We do get to meet, at the munches and elsewhere, so we are not disconnected entities floating in cyberspace. So when people do get to meet through SH, there is already a real sense of familiarity and belonging. If there is sex, then it takes place within a context and is not meaningless, as far as I'm concerned. The internet is a fantastic tool for communication. Personally, I'm always aware that there is another person at the end of the bit stream. True it is not like meeting or talking face to face initially! But it does lead to real encounters with real people and I find it hard to regard them as just being sex objects! True, the rules of swinging are different to that of the accepted boundaries of "normalised" relationships that we have been educated to believe in. But this does not mean we have to exclude a sense of caring about others just because we are swingers. I think this site proves that this is the case or perhaps the exception.
LC
I take your point that some people treat others as porn. I think it comes down to the individual, about their approach to sex. Some people use others as an aid to masturbation, for sure. Yeah, then sex can become meaningless if that's the attitude. Personally, I don't find the encounters I've had to be meaningless. Even sex with a complete stranger, you never forget that they are human and I find that sharing of a basic human need for sex is a profound turn on! Funnily enough, I have had sex with someone I have just met and then that has developed into a friendship. Without the sexual encounter we may not have 'bonded' and gone on to be friends. That's the beauty of this site SH and in particular the forum. People here get to know each other and often share their most intimate thoughts. They develop friendships and relationships which are very real, because we are real people! We do get to meet, at the munches and elsewhere, so we are not disconnected entities floating in cyberspace. So when people do get to meet through SH, there is already a real sense of familiarity and belonging. If there is sex, then it takes place within a context and is not meaningless, as far as I'm concerned. The internet is a fantastic tool for communication. Personally, I'm always aware that there is another person at the end of the bit stream. True it is not like meeting or talking face to face initially! But it does lead to real encounters with real people and I find it hard to regard them as just being sex objects! True, the rules of swinging are different to that of the accepted boundaries of "normalised" relationships that we have been educated to believe in. But this does not mean we have to exclude a sense of caring about others just because we are swingers. I think this site proves that this is the case or perhaps the exception.
LC
I think the internet can be fantastic, and I've made loads of friends over the web, but I generally know quite quickly which people I like enough to meet and have as real friends. I've also had enough bad experiences with people off the net that I know that the web can give a very false sense of intimacy - you chat to people online and you think that you know them and there's a real friendship, but often it's an illusion. It's not that people are false or insincere, it's just that (for me anyway) the building blocks of friendship (meeting, sharing a joke, chatting, drinking) work better in real life.
I'm certainly not against sex with strangers. I met a great couple in a club and we got on like a house on fire and ended up shagging. That experience - which all took place within a couple of hours - meant more to me than weeks of cyber or chatting on the internet.
I'm certainly not against sex with strangers. I met a great couple in a club and we got on like a house on fire and ended up shagging. That experience - which all took place within a couple of hours - meant more to me than weeks of cyber or chatting on the internet.
Sex God
Two of our favourite posters on the same thread ( knew this one would attract the commando) at their abstract and cynical best .
The thoughts are perhaps not to be taken quite as literally as a Spielberg script , although I guess they work that way too .
I am well aware of the magic that is seroxat , but assure you the views you have have been focussed by and not caused by the chemicals . We are witnessing in our generation and the next a seed change in attitudes to relationships and sex , and its something Ive certainly discussed briefly in many forms with many people . The opinions range from a so called hedonistic view that any relaxation of sexuality can only ever be good right through to comparisons with the debauched fall of Rome .
I have to say that the truth falls between the two somewhere although it has to be said as a structured society it does feel like the world we live in is on something of a directionless knife edge. Silky and myself have both experienced almost the full gamut of sexual adventure ( we still havent found the puzzle box from Hell Raiser but not sure we want to ) and having been round all the blocks we both ended up deciding that loving each other was the most important thing there is , not only that but accepting that jealousy and possesiveness isnt always a bad thing when in the context of love.
What I do know is that " as long as no one gets hurt" is a completely nonsensical platitude , as much as I know there are many things that will send me to the proverbial Hell before a little casual sex would .
People often say these days that sex has become too important , but that isnt right . It has become to large a part of life in the wrong way . Its not a question of sex and morality its a question of sex as a proportion of your whole life . The most scary and insidious part of the new 'internet sexual revolution' is its tendency to replace anything of meaning in an individuals life with sex and the pursuit of it . In many ways sex is less important , which is what makes it more routine and ultimately leads to what Greg described so wonderfully eloquently - when you wake up and realise that the sex youre having is just about as important as scratching an itch and then immediately realise that you are devoting all of your life to cultivating the next skin irritation .
Great thread G mate
G
The thoughts are perhaps not to be taken quite as literally as a Spielberg script , although I guess they work that way too .
I am well aware of the magic that is seroxat , but assure you the views you have have been focussed by and not caused by the chemicals . We are witnessing in our generation and the next a seed change in attitudes to relationships and sex , and its something Ive certainly discussed briefly in many forms with many people . The opinions range from a so called hedonistic view that any relaxation of sexuality can only ever be good right through to comparisons with the debauched fall of Rome .
I have to say that the truth falls between the two somewhere although it has to be said as a structured society it does feel like the world we live in is on something of a directionless knife edge. Silky and myself have both experienced almost the full gamut of sexual adventure ( we still havent found the puzzle box from Hell Raiser but not sure we want to ) and having been round all the blocks we both ended up deciding that loving each other was the most important thing there is , not only that but accepting that jealousy and possesiveness isnt always a bad thing when in the context of love.
What I do know is that " as long as no one gets hurt" is a completely nonsensical platitude , as much as I know there are many things that will send me to the proverbial Hell before a little casual sex would .
People often say these days that sex has become too important , but that isnt right . It has become to large a part of life in the wrong way . Its not a question of sex and morality its a question of sex as a proportion of your whole life . The most scary and insidious part of the new 'internet sexual revolution' is its tendency to replace anything of meaning in an individuals life with sex and the pursuit of it . In many ways sex is less important , which is what makes it more routine and ultimately leads to what Greg described so wonderfully eloquently - when you wake up and realise that the sex youre having is just about as important as scratching an itch and then immediately realise that you are devoting all of your life to cultivating the next skin irritation .
Great thread G mate
G
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I think the internet can be fantastic, and I've made loads of friends over the web, but I generally know quite quickly which people I like enough to meet and have as real friends. I've also had enough bad experiences with people off the net that I know that the web can give a very false sense of intimacy - you chat to people online and you think that you know them and there's a real friendship, but often it's an illusion. It's not that people are false or insincere, it's just that (for me anyway) the building blocks of friendship (meeting, sharing a joke, chatting, drinking) work better in real life.
I'm certainly not against sex with strangers. I met a great couple in a club and we got on like a house on fire and ended up shagging. That experience - which all took place within a couple of hours - meant more to me than weeks of cyber or chatting on the internet.
All too true, Greg! One has to be careful at times, but I think this is true in real life as it is on the net! I think the benefits outweigh the losses in the long run. It's all a matter or 'risk' in relationships as to how much one reveals or makes oneself vulnerable. Personally I find it easier to make friends on the net, it overcomes barriers that I find it impossible to climb in real life. But like I say it's only a tool, a mode of communication which leads to real life encounters for me. And the people I have met have either been friendly, individual, intelligent and sexy, or all of those combined! All very real!
LC
Thanks Silk and Big G... I have only been here a couple of weeks so it's nice to know I am one of your favourite posters - thanks!
I've just discovered your website, which is great (aside from the fact that I hate sites built totally in Flash). Would you mind if I added a link to your site on my links page? You'll probably not get too many extra hits, just a few bemused office workers on the west coast of the US.
I've just discovered your website, which is great (aside from the fact that I hate sites built totally in Flash). Would you mind if I added a link to your site on my links page? You'll probably not get too many extra hits, just a few bemused office workers on the west coast of the US.
Sex God
Just going back to WibblyWobbly's point about android sex. Isn't the main difference that, as humans, we can say no. An android, in the scenario painted anyway can't - result? soulless sex with no real point unless you're into forming a meaningful relationship with artificial genitals.
In some ways, I think Greg's point is that relationships formed on the internet run the risk at least of being somewhere in between these two extremes. At least that's what I'm inferring from it. That is why the wise ones hereabouts want to meet people before diving for eachother's private parts. It heightens the experience and opens the possibility that it could blossom into more.
But Greg is right that if you have not tested it with the face to face human factor (the real chemistry?) it ain't established as a relationship - so don't expect too much. It also has to be borne in mind that quite a lot of people don't want full blown relationship in amy event.
In some ways, I think Greg's point is that relationships formed on the internet run the risk at least of being somewhere in between these two extremes. At least that's what I'm inferring from it. That is why the wise ones hereabouts want to meet people before diving for eachother's private parts. It heightens the experience and opens the possibility that it could blossom into more.
But Greg is right that if you have not tested it with the face to face human factor (the real chemistry?) it ain't established as a relationship - so don't expect too much. It also has to be borne in mind that quite a lot of people don't want full blown relationship in amy event.
Sex God
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Thanks Silk and Big G... I have only been here a couple of weeks so it's nice to know I am one of your favourite posters - thanks!
I've just discovered your website, which is great (aside from the fact that I hate sites built totally in Flash). Would you mind if I added a link to your site on my links page? You'll probably not get too many extra hits, just a few bemused office workers on the west coast of the US.
Of course we would love that! We've admired your site for quite some time now. (I think I said that in a PM I just sent you.........its Sunday and my brain isnt out of bed yet)
Silks xxx
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We are witnessing in our generation and the next a seed change in attitudes to relationships and sex , and its something Ive certainly discussed briefly in many forms with many people . The opinions range from a so called hedonistic view that any relaxation of sexuality can only ever be good right through to comparisons with the debauched fall of Rome
Yes and I don't think you would disagree that we are are the cutting edge of these debates here at SH. Not only debate but also pushing the existential boundaries of sexual behaviour in swinging communities and society as a whole. I recall when swinging became popular in the 60s and 70s, having developed out of the hippie ideals of 'free-love' and the spirit of sexual liberation that emerged due to the availability of the pill and the the dissemination of sexual ideals propounded by various sex gurus. This 'first wave' of swinging all went rather wrong in the end as all people were looking for were 'thrills' and often the women at the time felt under pressure to 'put out'. I think it was largely guys doing things to 'chicks' and a lot of guilt and manipulation was applied. I'm sure a lot of people had fun at 'wild parties', but I have heard stories from women who felt coerced into having sex. I think some of these feelings gave rise the the modern feminist movement as a reaction to this manipulation. All in all, the rules of 'engagement' were not defined at this stage and swinging was regarded as something seedy and possibly unpleasant. So the case for people being used and objectified as sex objects may have first arisen then. Sexual objectification certainly became a major theme of the feminist movement at that time. Women needed to discover and define their own feelings about sex. Remember this was over 30 years ago...women wern't even supposed to enjoy sex...or so we/they were told!
Then along came HIV/Aids in the 80s and people had to start to think about their partners and their approach to sex. It was a sea-change in gay communities that has inevitably spilled over into the swinging scene. I therefore think that what we have here at SH is an outcome of that sea-change. Thus, people involved in active sexual communities have had to change their approach to having sex. Over the years the rules of engagement have been defined and a certain ettiquette refined. Friendship and intimacy have entered the equation, at least for some. I'm not saying eveyone adheres to these ideals, just that here at SH were are defining some new rules and breaking some new ground, which I am finding very positive.
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Silky and myself have both experienced almost the full gamut of sexual adventure (we still havent found the puzzle box from Hell Raiser but not sure we want to) and having been round all the blocks we both ended up deciding that loving each other was the most important thing there is, not only that but accepting that jealousy and possesiveness isnt always a bad thing when in the context of love.
I'd like to think that we are all on an adventure of self-discovery and for the fortunate few that means shareing this with someone special. I happen to believe that monogamy is the exception and very difficult to achieve or maintain, given that our insticts are to mate with as many people as possible. I'm not saying monogamous relationships are impossible but I think they are a much later evlountionary development (possible only within that last 30,000 years). It is my personal opinion that swinging addresses some primal need to mate with others, an evolutionary trick to ensure a good gene pool. On the surface it's just great fun and enjoyment and we do not think about the origins of this instict although it is still with us. I also happen to think that this was a natural way of bonding a tribe and getting everyone to look after eachother and their prodgeny. There was no room for jealousy or possesiveness. Only in later organized societies where people had to compete for space or the spread of sexually transmited diseases (as well as other diseases) became apparent did the idea of monogamous relationships start to take hold. The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorah illustrates that sea-change in societal behaviour, I believe. However, the jealousy and possesiveness which you have come to accept may also play their part in the evolountionary scheme of things, I don't doubt it. Just as anger and violence do, I suppose.
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What I do know is that " as long as no one gets hurt" is a completely nonsensical platitude, as much as I know there are many things that will send me to the proverbial Hell before a little casual sex would.
In all relationships, whether they are long term or causal someone is going to have feelings they can't avoid. Perhaps it's how we deal with them which is of more importance. It's not an easy option to become involved in swinging, especially if you are in a couple, I imagine. So many things to negotiate and only those who already have a strong foundation in their relationships should attempt it. Some fall into swinging naturally and others have to work at it over a long period of time, I have observed. Personally, I have found it a rollercoaster ride with ups and downs, but I find all my relationships like that. I find it hard to be emotionally detached from what is a happening to me and I have experienced hurt and rejection at times. But, hey, there is always someone else to turn to and that's part of what is great about this site. People do care. I know I do!
Ok, that's a pretty intense post I've written there. Well, I'm an intense guy...so I've been told!
Now I'm off to crack open a few beers and relax!
Regards one and all
LC
Sex God
Thankyou mate , very thought prevoking . While youre there we'll have a large vodka with lots of ice and a bacardi . never let anyone make you think intense is a bad thing , after all given the choice between intense and shallow id almost always choose the former.
Cheers G
Cheers G
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Thankyou mate , very thought prevoking . While youre there we'll have a large vodka with lots of ice and a bacardi . never let anyone make you think intense is a bad thing , after all given the choice between intense and shallow id almost always choose the former.
Cheers G
Two large vodkas with bacardi and ice coming up!
LC
