i think part to blame here are parents and daytime tv.
Years back we didnt have playstation,internet or many tv channels as we do now.
Ok i know you cannot blame progress but when i was a bad boy and sent to my room i was in hell.
I wanted to play football and be out but you send a kid to its room and its no are straight on msn to chat or texting friends on the mobile.
Days of fearing the local bobby telling dad what youve been up to are long gone and with it all respect for the police who lets face it do a very difficult job.
One thing i do find very troubling is the yobs who set fires and trap the firefighters with missiles.
This just shows the state of things when those who are here to help us cannot because of mob next step will be an armed guard firing rubber bullets or water cannons escorting fire and ambulance vehicles into trouble not as far fatched as you may think.
Parents are different do not have a dad at home and if they are anything like the ones who live next to me the poor kids are being shouted at with swearing and threats all the time.
Some parents couldnt give a damn and just want the kids out of the way so the problem develops onto the streets.
Evicting people who repeat offend and are a menace is one a family member is causing trouble for the community then the rest of the family have a duty to correct them because the threat of removal should be enough to make them drive the message home.
National service wouldnt do anything because those who get it as a punishment by the courts would not turn up.
And where community centers have been opened for people at some point someone will try to burn it down.
It is difficult to make the correct turn to which everyone will be happy, but you soon find that when your property or another family member is attacked and the services provided do not meet your needs only one choice remains and that is to defend yourself.
One day criminals will be implanted with a device which will stop them entering an area technology will get us there and governments will look at ways of controlling people instead of locking them up because it will be cheaper.
The sonic device is the beginning down that road of lets face it controlling the people is what they want.
A few points from WenchWorld.
I never "hung out" as a teen either. I was never bloody allowed out of my mothers sight.
At the ripe old age of 34- I can still hear the fecking silent ringtones! :dry:
I am absolutely not anti-teen, and defend well meaning, well behaved teens vigorously. Our eldest sprog puts as much time into charity work as she does her A levels, almost as much time as she's on MSN! :shock:
Sadly, those teens who are hell bent on causing trouble know they can do it with impunity. Some of them get back from receiving their latest reprimand - for some pretty major stuff- and cannot wait to tell their mates about it. And yes, I do speak with authority on this one.
I don't think that the majority of teens should suffer for the minority's behaviour. However, I can see why Felix would be so utterly frustrated. Having lived next to a bunch of really nasty, lawless bunch of *people who wear lots of cheap gold, leopardskin, and generally prefer a four wheel drive mode of transport* who the police wouldn't touch, I can empathise. When you can't feel safe at home, it destroys your life.
Erm, there was more- but I can't remember it!
>>>>>>Goes off to attempt a late misspent youth.
splendid--out of order!
you must live in a very crime stringent area!
im talking from experience--crowds of youths together cause a lot of hassle to the elderly and decent people.
we as a society know that most of the younger generation are law abiding(my nipper is studing law in uni)
this device doesnt hurt anyone , and moves them on from sensitive areas without any hassle!
i know a lot of posts are put on to stimulate conversation and i agree with that.
but come on, no more politicaly correct shit!
What is a crime stringent area?
Talking from experience? I live on an estate in Salford where I have been told, 'Ooooh, the busses won't go onto that estate because of the gangs'. I work in Moss Side with kids on the child protection register. I have some experience with living with antisocial behaviour and with kids who cause it or who are accused of causing it. I have to walk through gangs of teens asking me to buy them fags and booze every time i want to nip to the shops to buy a pint of milk, and I ahve to tell them, 'No', because if I did buy them that stuff and got caught I'd be putting my career at risk.
But I still respect teenagers - including the ones who hang out thinking they are looking hard in thier track suits, drunk on half a bottle of blue wicked.
Because I have been there - I am not too proud to admit that, as a teen, I would hang out on the streets with my mates. We would sit on walls and occasionally spit. We would smoke fags and talk loudly. No doubt people felt intimidated by us... but we absolutely did not intend to scare people. We were just hanging out, that was all. Three of us were doing voluntary work with older people with disibilities. There was just nothing else to do (that old chestnut).
We couldn't go to the youth club because the youth club was full of knobheads who would have battered us. We couldn't go to the park because the parkies had banned anyone over 14, and would chase us out even though we weren't there to cause trouble, and we couldn't stay at home because we were too cool to hang out with our parents, who sucked and didn't understand us.
I'm not sure it's so different these days - sure, teenagers have far less taste in music and clothing these days than the people I hung out with had, but that's only natural - they _have_ to like stuff that my generation hate - that's the rules.
But there is still nowhere to go for the average teen, the older generations are still in fear of all of them because there are a few who are arseholes, and thier dumb little uniforms (hoodies) are still in the papers just like in my day (when it was the skinheads who were the problem... but we did look better than teens do these days...)
I am not saying that teenagers hanging around estates do not cause any trouble. I am saying, though, that they're not all bad.
I have had equal measures of despair, agreement and worry over this thread.
I may be unique in my addition to the debate in having first hand experience of the effectiveness in the use of this device in areas of trouble.
I hope that I have had some part in explaining that not all teenagers are trouble makers, far from it, and I hope that the system is used in the same manner as it is in Scotland (although seeing as you lot are allowed to throw speed cameras up just anywhere then I fear not)
Some of the comments on this thread have been exceptionally worrying for the law abiding majority that is the youth of today.
i would just like to say thanks to everyone for your views.
It has been a very interesting and highly charged debate.
Many thanks
The local shop in my area has a much more humane solution, they play classical music - it's Bach is worse than it's bite ( what are you groaning for? ).
I can see endless possibilities 
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