the mosquito youth deterrent.

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Lost
I've heard the kids are getting their own back by using it as ringtones on their mobiles so teachers and parents can't hear them............Genius!

:rotflmao: You got to give kids credit where credit is due. biggrin

I think that Gothicpunk said most of it for me with his post. I do support the use of such devices though. Maybe there would be a way of regulating the usage. How, When, Where etc. dunno

I do however believe that there is a place and a point to the end that some part of police duties should entail going about on foot, a Visible presence, work at being approachable. . Lets have youth clubs and sports clubs even have surgeries at schools and put a copper or two in them for example?
This I know would not be not an easy thing to achieve given that no one is keen on putting people at undue risk.
smile

good idea's Lost wave

... most already happen in some places. For example; the local school where I worked had two police on duty all day, youth workers based in the school and positive futures (sports based) doing work along with a host of others. An we already have CSPO's, street wardens, neighbourhood management groups...what more do ya want :lol2:
Saying all that though, this ward is the 4th most deprived in the country (excludes scotland, not sure about wales confused

:). So it does get an ammount of gov money put into it... about time that pot was shared around a bit me thinks!
Ps Love the ringtones things!! young peeps can really use their innitiative at times..its great lol

12 Feb 2008

problem is gang of yobs know the law, and know they cannot be touched just moved once moved on,they retrun within 5 minutes with missles or other weapons because they have been its not just boys.
Im telling only way people understand you are pissed off with intimidation is when a fist or object strikes them hard and puts them down.
Words do not work with these type of people.
Thank yourself lucky shop owners and householders do not have the right to bear arms.
Because these aggressors would be delt with and the police reduced to bin men picking them up off the facts people! We are in this position because the good people of the land do not have a voice and the criminals single do-gooder backs laws which prevents a person defending themselves and letting the criminal get away with murder.
Gary newlove's killing should be the wake up call we all need to not only go after this yobs with force but also drive the parents out of the community which let their children run riot.
Once a few hoodies and alike have had such a beating the words spreads and people who seek to behave in an anti-social will walk in fear with one eye looking over the shoulder waiting for it to happen.
And any newsagent or shop which sales alcohol to the people involved with the crimes should face the same charge that relates to the offence committed.
Trust device is the least of your worries.
The future of your children is.

12 Feb 2008

Quote by tyracer
problem is gang of yobs know the law, and know they cannot be touched just moved once moved on,they retrun within 5 minutes with missles or other weapons because they have been its not just boys.
Im telling only way people understand you are pissed off with intimidation is when a fist or object strikes them hard and puts them down.
Words do not work with these type of people.
Thank yourself lucky shop owners and householders do not have the right to bear arms.
Because these aggressors would be delt with and the police reduced to bin men picking them up off the facts people! We are in this position because the good people of the land do not have a voice and the criminals single do-gooder backs laws which prevents a person defending themselves and letting the criminal get away with murder.
Gary newlove's killing should be the wake up call we all need to not only go after this yobs with force but also drive the parents out of the community which let their children run riot.
Once a few hoodies and alike have had such a beating the words spreads and people who seek to behave in an anti-social will walk in fear with one eye looking over the shoulder waiting for it to happen.
And any newsagent or shop which sales alcohol to the people involved with the crimes should face the same charge that relates to the offence committed.
Trust device is the least of your worries.
The future of your children is.

have you just quoted that from a red top or other equally highbrow media source ?
what a load of inflammatory hogwash. rolleyes

I can't even be arsed to address which points are the worst.

12 Feb 2008

Quote by tyracer
problem is gang of yobs knno the law, and know they cannot be touched just moved once moved on,they retrun within 5 minutes with missles or other weapons because they have been its not just boys.
Im telling only way people understand you are pissed off with intimidation is when a fist or object strikes them hard and puts them down.
Words do not work with these type of people.
Thank yourself lucky shop owners and householders do not have the right to bear arms.
Because these aggressors would be delt with and the police reduced to bin men picking them up off the facts people! We are in this position because the good people of the land do not have a voice and the criminals single do-gooder backs laws which prevents a person defending themselves and letting the criminal get away with murder.
Gary newlove's killing should be the wake up call we all need to not only go after this yobs with force but also drive the parents out of the community which let their children run riot.
Once a few hoodies and alike have had such a beating the words spreads and people who seek to behave in an anti-social way walk in fear.
And any newsagent or shop which sales alcohol to the people involved with the crimes should face the same charge that relates to the offence committed.
Trust device is the least of your worries.
The future of your children is.

Corrrrrrr, thats a bit radical :lol2: :lol2: (agree on the drink issue) smile

I always wanted a cattle prod, thought it would be great to use walking amongst the local gangs... redface

:lol:

12 Feb 2008

wolf hunt in on there own they are little frightened sheep.

12 Feb 2008

I believe that if these 'do gooders'were on the receiving end of being mugged, or intimidated then they might well have a re think.
Rob

12 Feb 2008

Quote by tyracer
problem is gang of yobs know the law, and know they cannot be touched just moved once moved on,they retrun within 5 minutes with missles or other weapons because they have been its not just boys.
Im telling only way people understand you are pissed off with intimidation is when a fist or object strikes them hard and puts them down.
Words do not work with these type of people.
Thank yourself lucky shop owners and householders do not have the right to bear arms.
Because these aggressors would be delt with and the police reduced to bin men picking them up off the facts people! We are in this position because the good people of the land do not have a voice and the criminals single do-gooder backs laws which prevents a person defending themselves and letting the criminal get away with murder.
Gary newlove's killing should be the wake up call we all need to not only go after this yobs with force but also drive the parents out of the community which let their children run riot.
Once a few hoodies and alike have had such a beating the words spreads and people who seek to behave in an anti-social will walk in fear with one eye looking over the shoulder waiting for it to happen.
And any newsagent or shop which sales alcohol to the people involved with the crimes should face the same charge that relates to the offence committed.
Trust device is the least of your worries.
The future of your children is.

So basically, you're a supporter of vigilantes? confused

The law doesn't say you can't defend yourself, it says (I think; I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will correct me if I'm wrong) that you can use reasonable force.

12 Feb 2008

Quote by tyracer
wolf hunt in on there own they are little frightened sheep.

They may hunt in packs; however, they are not frightened when alone.

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Seven_up
I believe that if these 'do gooders'were on the receiving end of being mugged, or intimidated then they might well have a re think.
Rob

I believe that I may fall into your category of being a 'do gooder' and let me tell you that you know nothing of my life but 'two wrongs don't make a right' and taking away everyones human rights is not something I will ever advocate.
No matter what has happened in my life I will never become embittered about the whole human race or even small sections of it. The individual who perpetrated the crime is responsible for the crime not everyone of the same colour/age/social standing/gender/sexuality etc.

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Lost
I've heard the kids are getting their own back by using it as ringtones on their mobiles so teachers and parents can't hear them............Genius!

:rotflmao: You got to give kids credit where credit is due. biggrin

I think that Gothicpunk said most of it for me with his post. I do support the use of such devices though. Maybe there would be a way of regulating the usage. How, When, Where etc. dunno

I do however believe that there is a place and a point to the end that some part of police duties should entail going about on foot, a Visible presence, work at being approachable. . Lets have youth clubs and sports clubs even have surgeries at schools and put a copper or two in them for example?
This I know would not be not an easy thing to achieve given that no one is keen on putting people at undue risk.
smile

Many schools have full time police officers in them (Met has in the region of 200 alone) and the initiative is one which is spreading throughout the uk. Not because a school is particularly bad but because it is seen as a way of breaking down barriers between the Police and young people. I've seen it in action and it works.

12 Feb 2008

There are two police officers who visit and 'plod' in the catchment area for five local primary schools (including the one where I work) and a secondary school.

12 Feb 2008

Quote by tyracer
problem is gang of yobs know the law, and know they cannot be touched just moved on.

And that is the problem. If a crime is committed, moving the perpertrator/s on is no solution or deterrent, and does indeed create the next problem -

Quote by tyracer
And once moved on,they retrun within 5 minutes with missles or other weapons because they have been its not just boys.

Yes, this whole 'we hate grasses' culture is particularly fucked up. Criminals need to be arrested and charged and brought to justice in a fair and consistant manner. The difficulty is, is making that happen.

Quote by tyracer
Im telling only way people understand you are pissed off with intimidation is when a fist or object strikes them hard and puts them down.

Now here is where I cannot agree. What can and does happen then is that you get into a spiral of violence that does nobody any good. A kick in the teeth may feel like natural justice, but you'll just get kicked back - usually by more of them. Worse, you'll kick an innocent one to within an inch of his (or her - as you said, it's not just the boys) life, becasue you have no way of knowing the person you are beating up is actually guilty of anything other than your word ('everyone knew he had it coming... 'he was a bad type.... what did he do? Oh, y'know... bad stuff. Everyone is saying it')

Quote by tyracer
Words do not work with these type of people.
Thank yourself lucky shop owners and householders do not have the right to bear arms.

Or, indeed, to arm bears

Quote by tyracer
Because these aggressors would be delt with and the police reduced to bin men picking them up off the facts people! We are in this position because the good people of the land do not have a voice and the criminals single do-gooder backs laws which prevents a person defending themselves and letting the criminal get away with murder.

I'm actually quite happy that 'do gooders' back laws that prevent mob rule, which is what you appear to be calling for here.

Quote by tyracer
Gary newlove's killing should be the wake up call we all need to not only go after this yobs with force but also drive the parents out of the community which let their children run riot.

Drive the parent out and what happens? They have to live somewhere. You just move the problem onto another estate. We do need stronger laws to take the criminals off the streets, we do need parents to take more responsibility for the behaviour of thier children, and we do need solutions, but gangs of vigilantees kicking people's heads in aint it. That's just more crime.

Quote by tyracer
Once a few hoodies and alike have had such a beating the words spreads and people who seek to behave in an anti-social will walk in fear with one eye looking over the shoulder waiting for it to happen.

Or, once a few violent criminals have been locked away for periods befitting the nature of thier crimes, the rest of thier mates will think twice about committing similar crimes. I am a firm believer that gangs who beat people up should be charged with attempted murder - every individual involved in the beating, that is - and the sentencing should be harsh. _that_ is the only way to get the message across that - hey - it's _not_ OK to do that. Having local teens in fear of a beating at the hands of a mob of angry residents is no solution to anything.

Quote by tyracer
And any newsagent or shop which sales alcohol to the people involved with the crimes should face the same charge that relates to the offence committed.

Or, y'know, use the laws that already exist and actually prosecute these shopkeepers under those laws.
I do understand that people are pissed off with being in fear of gangs, and I do agree that solutions need to be found, but I just don't agree that all teenagers are criminals and I don't believe in a solution which says, 'Kick thier fucking heads in, it's the only language they understand'. We need a solution that is lawful and just and transparent and predictable.

12 Feb 2008

Quote by tyracer
problem is gang of yobs know the law, and know they cannot be touched just moved on.

Not true in Scotland. Dont know about English and Welsh laws.

..but also drive the parents out of the community which let their children run riot.

Already happens in Scotland with evictions for anti social behaviour carried out quite effectively

Once a few hoodies and alike have had such a beating the words spreads and people who seek to behave in an anti-social will walk in fear with one eye looking over the shoulder waiting for it to happen.

So everyone who dresses in a particular way is guilty of anti social behaviour and therefore fair game. Hope to fuck they are not from an ethnic background, gay or catholic as well 'cause thats been used in the past in a similar vein

Im telling only way people understand you are pissed off with intimidation is when a fist or object strikes them hard and puts them down.
Words do not work with these type of people.
Thank yourself lucky shop owners and householders do not have the right to bear arms.
Because these aggressors would be delt with and the police reduced to bin men picking them up off the streets.

The problem with the kind of vigilantism that you are advocating is that it attracts the kind of people who actually believe some of the shite I've just read and you've just written.
confused

12 Feb 2008

Quote by splendid_
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?

still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
'hanging around' isn't a crime.
Correct hanging around is'nt a crime
So i'd best remove my burgular alarm then as well!

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Mr-Powers
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?

still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
so you never "hung out" yourself when you were a kid...what about the kids who are with there parents when there out shopping or the babies crying because of a high pitched sound upsetting them,as much as i hate the hoodie culture you can't go and punish all kids just for a peaceful life!
Guess what no i didn't

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Garfield1
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?

still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
'hanging around' isn't a crime.
Correct hanging around is'nt a crime
So i'd best remove my burgular alarm then as well!
Errrrrrrrr why? confused

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Garfield1
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?

still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
so you never "hung out" yourself when you were a kid...what about the kids who are with there parents when there out shopping or the babies crying because of a high pitched sound upsetting them,as much as i hate the hoodie culture you can't go and punish all kids just for a peaceful life!
Guess what no i didn't
so you came straight home from school and never ever went out dunno

12 Feb 2008

Look at the hornets nest i stired up.
:twisted:
i should have a talk radio programme for you all to phone in. lol

12 Feb 2008

Quote by the_Laird
problem is gang of yobs know the law, and know they cannot be touched just moved on.

Not true in Scotland. Dont know about English and Welsh laws.
A lot of work has been done in England to educate y. people on their rights etc not all quite *get it* or *use it to their own advantage*.
Tyracer I sort of know where your coming from, its one of the most mentioned things that come up time an time again in anti social behaviour meetings by residents.
One of the things that maybe people dont know about is that a list of the *usual suspects* does exist in majority of communities. They are dealt with within the law and at times it can seem that nothing is being done. Most of these young people already have offended or at risk of offending, and are targeted by youth workers, youth offending teams and groups such as positive futures, prison - which way, projects etc. They cant work miracles, they can only informally educate and hopefully its the turning point that helps them.
Some young people are never going to be helped. They dont see a future for themselves, maynot have any good parental guidance, or just plain on a road to destruction as they cant see another way out of it.
Theyre is no easy solution to the a social problem that blights many communities.
S I look at it this way, be part of the solution, not part of the problem (do gooder hat on :lol2 smile

..but also drive the parents out of the community which let their children run riot.

Quote by the_Laird
Already happens in Scotland with evictions for anti social behaviour carried out quite effectively

It happens here as well.... its difficuilt to do as they need loads of evidence and is a last resort.
One family that was the bain of a particular community for years where I worked were moved to the relief of many! I was invloved in the group discussing the issues etc...... guess where they moved them?????
Next bloody door to me!!!!!
I wasn't that chuffed I can tell you.... and what fun I had at the next meeting complaining away lol

:lol:
It just moves the problem onto someone else!

12 Feb 2008

Quote by tyracer
Look at the hornets nest i stired up.
:twisted:
i should have a talk radio programme for you all to phone in.

That the best you can come back with????
It'd be a pretty shite show then eh?

12 Feb 2008

Quote by the_Laird
Look at the hornets nest i stired up.
:twisted:
i should have a talk radio programme for you all to phone in.

That the best you can come back with????
It'd be a pretty shite show then eh?
Indeed it would :lol:

12 Feb 2008

Quote by tyracer
Look at the hornets nest i stired up.
:twisted:
i should have a talk radio programme for you all to phone in.

Hey, no this is a great thread!!! Im enjoying it smile

Think the radio programme might exist :lol2:

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Garfield1
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?

still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
'hanging around' isn't a crime.
Correct hanging around is'nt a crime
So i'd best remove my burgular alarm then as well!
Unless its connected to your local police station when theres a call, I think they are a waste of time to be honest.

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?

still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
'hanging around' isn't a crime.
Correct hanging around is'nt a crime
So i'd best remove my burgular alarm then as well!
Errrrrrrrr why? confused

Because i am advocating it as a deterante just as i use my burgular alarm to protect my investment.
Everyone goes on about the rights of the childeren, teenagers etc etc what about my right as a human being to live with out fear and prejudice
So if you denie me this item to protect my investment then my human rights are being violated.
And yes i live in a very nice area which unfortuantly has a park which is where oll the youth not from my road but all the one the other side of town sit and drink alcohol till the early hours.
Between myself, dory and our house mate we have had seven motorcycle stolen, all found in the possesion of teenages.
So wheres my human rights then

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Mr-Powers
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?

still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
so you never "hung out" yourself when you were a kid...what about the kids who are with there parents when there out shopping or the babies crying because of a high pitched sound upsetting them,as much as i hate the hoodie culture you can't go and punish all kids just for a peaceful life!
Guess what no i didn't
so you came straight home from school and never ever went out dunno

Correct unless it was some where with my parents

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Garfield1
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?

still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
so you never "hung out" yourself when you were a kid...what about the kids who are with there parents when there out shopping or the babies crying because of a high pitched sound upsetting them,as much as i hate the hoodie culture you can't go and punish all kids just for a peaceful life!
Guess what no i didn't
so you came straight home from school and never ever went out dunno

Correct unless it was some where with my parents
so your a teenager and you spent your entire life couped up indoors only going out while escorted by your parents ignoring all your friends in the process?

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Mr-Powers
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?

still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
so you never "hung out" yourself when you were a kid...what about the kids who are with there parents when there out shopping or the babies crying because of a high pitched sound upsetting them,as much as i hate the hoodie culture you can't go and punish all kids just for a peaceful life!
Guess what no i didn't
so you came straight home from school and never ever went out dunno

Correct unless it was some where with my parents
so your a teenager and you spent your entire life couped up indoors only going out while escorted by your parents ignoring all your friends in the process?
why do you find that so hard to belive?

12 Feb 2008

I personally think that this device is an excellent idea - it can be turned on when a threat exists and is a non-violent way of preventing possible trouble. The main thing about all this is the subject of "children's rights". WTF is that about?? Why do they deserve any rights apart from those that we, as adults, allow them? They don't pay taxes and contribute very little to society until they are old enough to work, pay tax and earn their place as full citizens. Kids hanging around in groups is usually a symptom of boredom - of them having nothing else to do. Parents - get up off of your lazy arses and ensure that your child's free time is fully occupied! mad

:x :x
SlurpySarah

12 Feb 2008

Quote by Garfield1
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?

still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
so you never "hung out" yourself when you were a kid...what about the kids who are with there parents when there out shopping or the babies crying because of a high pitched sound upsetting them,as much as i hate the hoodie culture you can't go and punish all kids just for a peaceful life!
Guess what no i didn't
so you came straight home from school and never ever went out dunno

Correct unless it was some where with my parents
so your a teenager and you spent your entire life couped up indoors only going out while escorted by your parents ignoring all your friends in the process?
why do you find that so hard to belive?
i don't find it hard to believe but it now sheds some light on your attitude towards teenagers being public enemy number 1!

12 Feb 2008

Quote by SlurpySarah
I personally think that this device is an excellent idea - it can be turned on when a threat exists and is a non-violent way of preventing possible trouble. The main thing about all this is the subject of "children's rights". WTF is that about?? Why do they deserve any rights apart from those that we, as adults, allow them? They don't pay taxes and contribute very little to society until they are old enough to work, pay tax and earn their place as full citizens. Kids hanging around in groups is usually a symptom of boredom - of them having nothing else to do. Parents - get up off of your lazy arses and ensure that your child's free time is fully occupied! :x :x
SlurpySarah

Can see some of what you say as good sense Sarah. The but comes in the form of the two working parent family. By the time both parents, encouraged by the government/society, have come home from a full days work it's not easy to summon the energies to get up off their lazy arses. Maybe we should encourage either one partent to stay at home and do the parenting or to make the choice not to have children. hmmm (rubs chin emoticon)