the sun

2 Jul 2008

on our way to the yard in yesterdays lovely sunshine(we had some paintwork to do on a truck)my son stopped at a shop and came out with a copy of the sun he saw my look of astonishment,he just said "we`ve got no masking paper"
made me laugh to find a use for this rag,now that it cant be used to wrap chips any more.

2 Jul 2008

Quote by annejohn
on our way to the yard in yesterdays lovely sunshine(we had some paintwork to do on a truck)my son stopped at a shop and came out with a copy of the sun he saw my look of astonishment,he just said "we`ve got no masking paper"
made me laugh to find a use for this rag,now that it cant be used to wrap chips any more.

A rag it may well be but...it has the biggest readership by far of any of the other tabloids! I wonder why that is?
And you read ?

2 Jul 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
on our way to the yard in yesterdays lovely sunshine(we had some paintwork to do on a truck)my son stopped at a shop and came out with a copy of the sun he saw my look of astonishment,he just said "we`ve got no masking paper"
made me laugh to find a use for this rag,now that it cant be used to wrap chips any more.

A rag it may well be but...it has the biggest readership by far of any of the other tabloids! I wonder why that is?
Because it uses short words and has big pictures. And is mainly about tits, football and bigotry. So nobody has to engage their brain.
The shocking thing is that apparently some people actually believe some of the articles in it... :shock: can you imagine?

Quote by kentswingers777
And you read ?

Generally, anything other than the Sun, the Star, the Mail and the Express.

2 Jul 2008

Quote by tomu
on our way to the yard in yesterdays lovely sunshine(we had some paintwork to do on a truck)my son stopped at a shop and came out with a copy of the sun he saw my look of astonishment,he just said "we`ve got no masking paper"
made me laugh to find a use for this rag,now that it cant be used to wrap chips any more.

A rag it may well be but...it has the biggest readership by far of any of the other tabloids! I wonder why that is?
Because it uses short words and has big pictures. And is mainly about tits, football and bigotry. So nobody has to engage their brain.
The shocking thing is that apparently some people actually believe some of the articles in it... :shock: can you imagine?

Quote by kentswingers777
And you read ?

Generally, anything other than the Sun, the Star, the Mail and the Express.
The Guardian at all ? lol

2 Jul 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
The Guardian at all ?

Well, yes, as I said:

Quote by tomu
Generally, anything other than the Sun, the Star, the Mail and the Express.

If you want a full list:
The Guardian, the Independent, the Echo, the FT, the Mirror sometimes, the Observer, the BBC website, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Economist, Private Eye, some other things I've probably forgotten, various academic journals, and whatever paper or magazine happens to be in the takeaway or hairdressers or waiting room I'm in as long as it isn't the Sun, the Star, the Mail or the Express. I would feel embarrassed to be seen holding them.
I don't read the same thing every day. I believe in getting a variety of perspectives.

2 Jul 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
A rag it may well be but...it has the biggest readership by far of any of the other tabloids! I wonder why that is?

The squares of paper in the outhouse have to come from somewhere.

2 Jul 2008

Quote by tomu
The Guardian at all ?

Well, yes, as I said:

Quote by tomu
Generally, anything other than the Sun, the Star, the Mail and the Express.

If you want a full list:
The Guardian, the Independent, the Echo, the FT, the Mirror sometimes, the Observer, the BBC website, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Economist, Private Eye, some other things I've probably forgotten, various academic journals, and whatever paper or magazine happens to be in the takeaway or hairdressers or waiting room I'm in as long as it isn't the Sun, the Star, the Mail or the Express. I would feel embarrassed to be seen holding them.
I don't read the same thing every day. I believe in getting a variety of perspectives.
I read the Sun on a fri as Gaunty is in there! :lol: :lol:

2 Jul 2008

2 Jul 2008

Following the suns great reporting of Liverpool FC (great club but no supporter) I am with most of Liverpool in not reading it even when it is offered free.
I had thought the protest had died down but recently on TV they had Alexi Sayle in a newsagent offering free copies of the sun and no one took a copy - priceless.
Vote with your feet, the internet has moving pictures for porn newspapers don't. Come to think about it perhaps moving pictures would confuse sun readers too much.
I think really the price has a lot to do with readership. Most people do not want to read news in depth just keep up with events and gossip.
Shay

2 Jul 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I read the Sun on a fri as Gaunty is in there! :lol:

I don't know who Gaunty is but I'm sure it's a fine read. :-)
Apologies for going in a bit aggressively this morning, I had a hangover but it's progressing nicely.
...although I did stop myself from saying:

Quote by kentswingers777
And you read ?

Yes I do, that's why I can get beyond the Sun...
:-p

2 Jul 2008

I read the sun!
When it is shining I think it is going to be a nice day! lol

When I can't see it I leave my washing for another day! wink

2 Jul 2008

I didn't realise they couldn't use newspapers for fish an chips any more, when did that come in?
Do the fish an chips taste ok without newspaper??? lol

2 Jul 2008

Quote by anais
I didn't realise they couldn't use newspapers for fish an chips any more, when did that come in?
Do the fish an chips taste ok without newspaper???

They dont taste the same :cry:

2 Jul 2008

Quote by anais
I didn't realise they couldn't use newspapers for fish an chips any more, when did that come in?
Do the fish an chips taste ok without newspaper???

Nope and all the grease settles in the plastic cartons! sad

- yak!

2 Jul 2008

They can use 'newsprint' which, weirdly, is newspaper that hasn't been printed on. But the ink (especially the modern ones) comes off on everything and the grease makes it worse.
I like the cartons cos you can sit them on your knee without burning yourself as much as on paper. And they get a puddle of vinegar for dipping your chips in biggrin

2 Jul 2008

I just read yesterday's Sun (a friends copy not mine). I think they should be taken to court under the trades description act as I don't think I found a single item of "news" in it. There were a lot of articles on trivia, loads of celebrity gossip items and plenty of salacious items which just could be said to be stirring things up .... but real actual hardcore news? Nope couldn't find any!!

2 Jul 2008

is the sun a product of radio 1?...sorry am a radio 5 live listener

2 Jul 2008

Quote by buckingfabe
I just read yesterday's Sun (a friends copy not mine). I think they should be taken to court under the trades description act as I don't think I found a single item of "news" in it. There were a lot of articles on trivia, loads of celebrity gossip items and plenty of salacious items which just could be said to be stirring things up .... but real actual hardcore news? Nope couldn't find any!!

You see this it what scares me about that thing. It's like a haze thrown up to prevent people looking at the world and going, "What the FUCK is going on?". Even when we're not talking about massive and rampant travesties of journalism and of the Truth (as in the article linked above), it's still packed full of insidious little lies and decoys to prevent you looking at your own situation and doing something about it: "Tits! Celebrity shite! Football! Want to learn about anything that actually affects your own, real life? Nah fuck that... more tits!"
(It upsets me that he's kind of done this to the Times as well, albeit to a lesser degree; still, it has a LOT of sports coverage and a surprising amount of celebrity nonsense and not that much actual News.)
The only time the Sun contain anything approaching news is when they're covering Europe. Even then what they write is pretty much bullshit, to a fairly staggering degree actually. A lot of the most famous bits of controversial European intrusiveness in our life were made up by the Sun and believed by it's readers. For example that thing about curvy bananas being outlawed... never happened. (The proof? Go into your kitchen. Look at a banana. Is it curved?) It was never even a serious proposal. Made up by the Sun.
Murdoch hates Europe because he cannot get into the European media market. The German and Italian companies are too strong. He's also terrified of them getting in on the British market. He doesn't want any European integration that will threaten that. So you will never see a pro-European story in any media outlet owned by Murdoch (The Sun, News of the World, the Times, Sky News, etc). He relentlessly denigrates any politician who supports Europe or the sort of ownership laws that are currently preventing him from buying Channel 4 (he keeps trying, he's not allowed, and he's really angry about it!), and supports whichever party promises to do the most to further his interests.
Fine, once you know that you're seeing the world through tinted spectacles you can start to take what people are telling you with the appropriate amount of salt, but a lot of people read that and think they're getting a balanced and fair picture. That's why it's important to read a variety of outlets - they all (including the Guardian) will try to spin a certain angle. With the possible exception of the BBC, which is legally obliged to try to be as balanced as possible, and is really closely scrutinised for it.
Well anyway I'm not that fond of The Sun. I'll give it a rest now.

3 Jul 2008

But a person on a lunch break from a tedious job maybe a factory building a wall, or driving a lorry doesn't want to read any 'real' news his or her life is real enough for him or her a lot of the time. They want to read about what the Sun has to say. Its satisfying to a lot it and produces enough stimulation to keep it's readers coming back for more. They want bytes they can chew between meals, not bytes that are hard to swallow.
Wall street or Europe or Zimbabwe or Pakistan or Afghanistan or govt elections or prime ministers question time or pollution or enrichment plants in Iran or S Korea are about as far from a lot of peoples minds as is flying to the f*cking moon.
We are much more interested in knowing about that 36 year old millionaire playboy bastard who knocked over an 83 year old grandmother of twenty six of which dear little AmyLou has a heart defect, in his convertible super sports car doing a homicidal 54 mph in a 30 zone. Rather than a 36 year old man knocked down an 86 year old woman whilst speeding.
Lets be real. If youve got 20 minutes to eat your sarnie and be back at your workstation. Your hardly going to want to know that the economy of Uzbekistan experienced growth significantly above trend over 2006–2007. GDP grew by 7.7% and 7.0% according to official estimates, as against an average of 4.2% in 1999–2005. Agriculture’s contribution was helped by a record cotton crop.
It is also wrong to assume that 4 million readers of the Sun are not literate/intelligent or have enough wit to make up their own minds. they read for their own reasons. Mainly i assume for the entertainment which they gain from it. Rightly or wrongly in your honest opinions but thats the truth of selling the Sun in Britain to 4 million people

3 Jul 2008

Oh, and I bloody hate the Sun - piece o crap

3 Jul 2008

As absurd as the Sun may be, for its blatant bias and pandering to the masses....
there is not a newspaper in this land that can lay any greater claim to impartiality or agnosticism.
All newspapers seek to portray a view, a view influenced by the mind of the author, or that of the editor under the influence of revenue generation / financial backing / political affiliation
Perhaps the reality is - they all bullshit, it's merely the manner in which they do so that sets them apart.
Is staring at a pair of breast anymore obscene than checking the corporate profits in the FT? which is truly the more honest.
Sex, greed, appetite for gossip, pleasure in other's failings... all newspapers pander to these human cravings.
And, the REAL reason chips are prohibited from being wrapped in newspaper is that folks discovered that salt and vinegar from the chips made the bullshit in newspapers more palatable.

3 Jul 2008

Quote by Lost
Lets be real. If youve got 20 minutes to eat your sarnie and be back at your workstation. Your hardly going to want to know that the economy of Uzbekistan experienced growth significantly above trend over 2006–2007. GDP grew by 7.7% and 7.0% according to official estimates, as against an average of 4.2% in 1999–2005. Agriculture’s contribution was helped by a record cotton crop.
It is also wrong to assume that 4 million readers of the Sun are not literate/intelligent or have enough wit to make up their own minds. they read for their own reasons. Mainly i assume for the entertainment which they gain from it. Rightly or wrongly in your honest opinions but thats the truth of selling the Sun in Britain to 4 million people

It's a fair cop. Good point, well made. Although that said - I absolutely don't have a problem with people wanting entertainment or wanting to switch off or anything. What I have a problem with is one thing pretending to be something else. Entertainment pretending to be news. Or escapism pretending to be news. McDonald's pretending to be food. The Wombats pretending to be scouse. There's a fundamental dishonesty in there that really irks me.

3 Jul 2008

After some research, I take it all back.
The Sun is amongst the best in the land.
It left NO ink on my arse during wiping
/TheKid

3 Jul 2008

Quote by Lost
But a person on a lunch break from a tedious job maybe a factory building a wall, or driving a lorry doesn't want to read any 'real' news his or her life is real enough for him or her a lot of the time. They want to read about what the Sun has to say. Its satisfying to a lot it and produces enough stimulation to keep it's readers coming back for more. They want bytes they can chew between meals, not bytes that are hard to swallow.
Wall street or Europe or Zimbabwe or Pakistan or Afghanistan or govt elections or prime ministers question time or pollution or enrichment plants in Iran or S Korea are about as far from a lot of peoples minds as is flying to the f*cking moon.
We are much more interested in knowing about that 36 year old millionaire playboy bastard who knocked over an 83 year old grandmother of twenty six of which dear little AmyLou has a heart defect, in his convertible super sports car doing a homicidal 54 mph in a 30 zone. Rather than a 36 year old man knocked down an 86 year old woman whilst speeding.
Lets be real. If youve got 20 minutes to eat your sarnie and be back at your workstation. Your hardly going to want to know that the economy of Uzbekistan experienced growth significantly above trend over 2006–2007. GDP grew by 7.7% and 7.0% according to official estimates, as against an average of 4.2% in 1999–2005. Agriculture’s contribution was helped by a record cotton crop.
It is also wrong to assume that 4 million readers of the Sun are not literate/intelligent or have enough wit to make up their own minds. they read for their own reasons. Mainly i assume for the entertainment which they gain from it. Rightly or wrongly in your honest opinions but thats the truth of selling the Sun in Britain to 4 million people

Although there's nothing wrong in that per se, if they want to be entertained then why buy something that is labelled as a newspaper?
Wouldn't they be better buying something that is specifically aimed at that sort of entertainment? Or more accurately the Sun should be relabelled as, let's face it, it hasn't been a newspaper for years.

3 Jul 2008

Quote by tomu
I just read yesterday's Sun (a friends copy not mine). I think they should be taken to court under the trades description act as I don't think I found a single item of "news" in it. There were a lot of articles on trivia, loads of celebrity gossip items and plenty of salacious items which just could be said to be stirring things up .... but real actual hardcore news? Nope couldn't find any!!

You see this it what scares me about that thing. It's like a haze thrown up to prevent people looking at the world and going, "What the FUCK is going on?". Even when we're not talking about massive and rampant travesties of journalism and of the Truth (as in the article linked above), it's still packed full of insidious little lies and decoys to prevent you looking at your own situation and doing something about it: "Tits! Celebrity shite! Football! Want to learn about anything that actually affects your own, real life? Nah fuck that... more tits!"
(It upsets me that he's kind of done this to the Times as well, albeit to a lesser degree; still, it has a LOT of sports coverage and a surprising amount of celebrity nonsense and not that much actual News.)
The only time the Sun contain anything approaching news is when they're covering Europe. Even then what they write is pretty much bullshit, to a fairly staggering degree actually. A lot of the most famous bits of controversial European intrusiveness in our life were made up by the Sun and believed by it's readers. For example that thing about curvy bananas being outlawed... never happened. (The proof? Go into your kitchen. Look at a banana. Is it curved?) It was never even a serious proposal. Made up by the Sun.
Murdoch hates Europe because he cannot get into the European media market. The German and Italian companies are too strong. He's also terrified of them getting in on the British market. He doesn't want any European integration that will threaten that. So you will never see a pro-European story in any media outlet owned by Murdoch (The Sun, News of the World, the Times, Sky News, etc). He relentlessly denigrates any politician who supports Europe or the sort of ownership laws that are currently preventing him from buying Channel 4 (he keeps trying, he's not allowed, and he's really angry about it!), and supports whichever party promises to do the most to further his interests.
Fine, once you know that you're seeing the world through tinted spectacles you can start to take what people are telling you with the appropriate amount of salt, but a lot of people read that and think they're getting a balanced and fair picture. That's why it's important to read a variety of outlets - they all (including the Guardian) will try to spin a certain angle. With the possible exception of the BBC, which is legally obliged to try to be as balanced as possible, and is really closely scrutinised for it.
Well anyway I'm not that fond of The Sun. I'll give it a rest now.
Have you ever thought that some people only want that in their paper? If you want news then buy the Telegraph or the Times, or even the Mail.
There are 4 million plus readers of the sun and for me I have not got an hour to spare reading a paper. I have ten minutes so want something that makes me laugh, some titilation and yes I do like football!
The same people who slag the Sun off and others like it, will quite happily sit down of an evening and watch crap like Big Brother. Each to their own in what they read but remember it IS the biggest selling paper out there, which means are they all wrong...or are you?
The Sun does carry a lot of clout in as much as their sudden turn around from being a Tory paper to supporting Blair, when Blair was running for PM. The Sun readership turned on the Tories big time, and the rest is history. Did the sun and its massive readership help to topple the Tories? Probably did help, so they do have power there from their huge readership.
The insinuation here is that Sun readers are a bit "fick", well a lot may well be, but then a lot are not. I do not want to read about world news and what is happening in outta Mongolia in my ten minute lunch break...I want to see who Chelsea have signed. lol

I read about world events of an evening when I get home and listen to Sky News. cool

3 Jul 2008

Sky 'news' you are being sarcastic aren't you ?
:shock:

3 Jul 2008

The Sun - "The paper that supports 'our boys'"
That is until they publically stitched up an army officer and his wife as they were swingers (although not breaking any laws but why let that get in the way of ruining someone's career whilst selling a few more copies). mad

:x :x

3 Jul 2008

Quote by splendid_
Sky 'news' you are being sarcastic aren't you ?
:shock:

Moi ?

3 Jul 2008

Quote by tomu
<snip>
You see this it what scares me about that thing. It's like a haze thrown up to prevent people looking at the world and going, "What the FUCK is going on?". Even when we're not talking about massive and rampant travesties of journalism and of the Truth (as in the article linked above), it's still packed full of insidious little lies and decoys to prevent you looking at your own situation and doing something about it: "Tits! Celebrity shite! Football! Want to learn about anything that actually affects your own, real life? Nah fuck that... more tits!"
(It upsets me that he's kind of done this to the Times as well, albeit to a lesser degree; still, it has a LOT of sports coverage and a surprising amount of celebrity nonsense and not that much actual News.)
The only time the Sun contain anything approaching news is when they're covering Europe. Even then what they write is pretty much bullshit, to a fairly staggering degree actually. A lot of the most famous bits of controversial European intrusiveness in our life were made up by the Sun and believed by it's readers. For example that thing about curvy bananas being outlawed... never happened. (The proof? Go into your kitchen. Look at a banana. Is it curved?) It was never even a serious proposal. Made up by the Sun.
Murdoch hates Europe because he cannot get into the European media market. The German and Italian companies are too strong. He's also terrified of them getting in on the British market. He doesn't want any European integration that will threaten that. So you will never see a pro-European story in any media outlet owned by Murdoch (The Sun, News of the World, the Times, Sky News, etc). He relentlessly denigrates any politician who supports Europe or the sort of ownership laws that are currently preventing him from buying Channel 4 (he keeps trying, he's not allowed, and he's really angry about it!), and supports whichever party promises to do the most to further his interests.
Fine, once you know that you're seeing the world through tinted spectacles you can start to take what people are telling you with the appropriate amount of salt, but a lot of people read that and think they're getting a balanced and fair picture. That's why it's important to read a variety of outlets - they all (including the Guardian) will try to spin a certain angle. With the possible exception of the BBC, which is legally obliged to try to be as balanced as possible, and is really closely scrutinised for it.
Well anyway I'm not that fond of The Sun. I'll give it a rest now.

Quote by Lost
But a person on a lunch break from a tedious job maybe a factory building a wall, or driving a lorry doesn't want to read any 'real' news his or her life is real enough for him or her a lot of the time. They want to read about what the Sun has to say. Its satisfying to a lot it and produces enough stimulation to keep it's readers coming back for more. They want bytes they can chew between meals, not bytes that are hard to swallow.
Wall street or Europe or Zimbabwe or Pakistan or Afghanistan or govt elections or prime ministers question time or pollution or enrichment plants in Iran or S Korea are about as far from a lot of peoples minds as is flying to the f*cking moon.
We are much more interested in knowing about that 36 year old millionaire playboy bastard who knocked over an 83 year old grandmother of twenty six of which dear little AmyLou has a heart defect, in his convertible super sports car doing a homicidal 54 mph in a 30 zone. Rather than a 36 year old man knocked down an 86 year old woman whilst speeding.
Lets be real. If youve got 20 minutes to eat your sarnie and be back at your workstation. Your hardly going to want to know that the economy of Uzbekistan experienced growth significantly above trend over 2006–2007. GDP grew by 7.7% and 7.0% according to official estimates, as against an average of 4.2% in 1999–2005. Agriculture’s contribution was helped by a record cotton crop.
It is also wrong to assume that 4 million readers of the Sun are not literate/intelligent or have enough wit to make up their own minds. they read for their own reasons. Mainly i assume for the entertainment which they gain from it. Rightly or wrongly in your honest opinions but thats the truth of selling the Sun in Britain to 4 million people

Firstly, let me apologise for pasting two very long posts redface

secondly, having been on the receiving end of the twisted way the press works I'm not even getting into the topic.
what I would just like to say though is bloody well done guys, this is what this forum should be about, two opposing views stated without rancor, both parties putting a point of view written in an interesting and readable way for the rest of us :thumbup:
I think the pair of you deserve a posting medal of some sort.
I'm sure there are enough artistic folk left in SH Towers to come up with something :twisted:
Thank you both for an interesting and balanced read :cheers: