The Swinging Heaven Pin

13 Jan 2005

Quote by davej
so can we make our own badges, do we have some designs from which to choose.

:P I am struggling between me looking stupid for being seen as making a serious suggestion to make our own badges, and spending time saying it was just a joke.
and me looking stupid for thinking that you took my suggestion seriously. confused

What the heck, the end effect being the same, does it really matter how I get there? lol

:lol:
lhk
edit - or for buggering up the quotes! - sorted now!

13 Jan 2005

Having seen the designs, i thought the simple colour design was the one that you would not need to get up close to the person wearing it and stare at their lapel to see what it is,
and that us blind folk would be able to see at any distance. The only trouble with it, would be the similarity to another popular design, that most people would recognise confused

I liked TnH's too, perhaps Marks is too suggestive, it may be worth considering exchanging her halo for a frying pan
Perhaps if the pin was bigger, and on a top hat (with the balloon floating above??)......that might work

13 Jan 2005

Quote by KitKat
so can we make our own badges, do we have some designs from which to choose.

What the heck, the end effect being the same, does it really matter how I get there? lol

:lol:
lhk
We never wrote that !!

13 Jan 2005

Quote by wildwilly
Having seen the designs, i thought the simple colour design was the one that you would not need to get up close to the person wearing it and stare at their lapel to see what it is,

Have I missed a link to the designs somewhere? I only saw the ones on the first couple of pages - all using the SH logo in various forms. Are these the final choices or are there more still coming in?
Will there be a vote on the choice of final design in the forum?
Personally we feel subtle understatement would be better. No offence to Mark, but we wouldn't wear the figure of a woman logo - it's far too suggestive of a lap dancer or similar.
Sorry if I missed something somewhere. I haven't read every page on this thread as I rather lost interest in following it when it kept getting hijacked and going off on a tangent rolleyes

Still interested in the designs of the pins and how they are going to be distributed though wink

Tracy-Jayne

13 Jan 2005

Oh now I like that Scandal, well done biggrin

Dawn :silly:

13 Jan 2005

There seems to be two different sorts of people in this thread (and I've just skimmed over it since my earlier post).
1. Those who want something discreet, that tells those already in the know what kind of thing they may like to get up to.
2. Those who want something more overt that will undoubtedly lead to questions from all and sundry.
Perhaps people should decide which they want, either/or, or both.

13 Jan 2005

Thats something of an over statement Zoot .
The two kinds are the paranoid and the less paranoid . We arent talking about a badge that sez ' im a swinger please ask for details' , its the logo of the site . Now regardless of what it may seem to the habitual user of the site this is a very small corner of the world . The badge signifies nothing but a womans outline to anyone who hasnt actually seen the site , and id guess even a large sample of those who have seen it havent taken much note of the logo . Its just a badge , and even if someone asks what are they gonna do , hold you down and insert bamboo under your nails , wire you to a polygraph machine ? Nope they aint . It less innocuous even than a t-shirt wiv a saucy slogan . I wouldnt mind betting most of the women worried about it had more chance being labelled a potential swinger on the strength of the outfit they wore last time they went up the pub than by any abstract badge .
"Definition
badge
noun
a small piece of metal, plastic, cloth, etc., with words or a picture on it, that is pinned or sewn to your clothing, often to show your support for a political organization or belief, or your rank, or membership of a group, etc:
Everyone at the conference wore a badge with their name on."
If its too obscure or inane its simply not worth the expense or effort IMHO.

13 Jan 2005

Blimey, a few days at home with flu and I miss the biggest debate over a pin! lol

So, my 2p is
1. I wouldn't wear a multu coloured pin. Ever. Silver coloured is the most discreet and frankly, grown up!
2. An initial distribution through munches is a good way to raise funds without post and packing costs BUT I can't support the pins only being available to munch attendees. There are a ton of active members in the Dogging Section who are very socially active without necessarily attending munches...and SH pins could be great for the newer doggers on the scene (although we might need light up versions!). It seems totally against the ethos of SH to exclude any groups of people because they don't munch.
Alternatively, some creative type on here could buy a basic pin from Hobbycraft, come up with a design for it then post How To instructions and people could reproduce their own using a colour of their choosing. If people really want to make it a way to identify members with similar interests, use:
Blue - Swingers
Black - Doggers
Green - Gay
Yellow - SH Member (non swinging)
Pink - TV
This list might be too long or not long enough, but you get the general idea. I'm having a lie down now, both my brain cells ache wink

13 Jan 2005

Quote by Silk and Big G
Thats something of an over statement Zoot .

Erm, not at all, or you misinterpreted the gist of what I was pointing out.
There are those here who clearly feel that the design posted by Mark was great and they'd love that on their badge.
Whilst others clearly feel that they want something more subtle.
This is my final word on the matter and I will take no further part in this thread as I know people here tend to completely misread me.
smile

13 Jan 2005

Quote by zootle
There seems to be two different sorts of people in this thread (and I've just skimmed over it since my earlier post).
1. Those who want something discreet, that tells those already in the know what kind of thing they may like to get up to.
2. Those who want something more overt that will undoubtedly lead to questions from all and sundry.
Perhaps people should decide which they want, either/or, or both.

Well said Zootle.
And if wanting a badge that is a bit more discreet makes me paranoid in some peoples' eyes... well I can't help that. dunno

13 Jan 2005

Quote by Serendipity
If people really want to make it a way to identify members with similar interests, use:
Blue - Swingers
Black - Doggers
Green - Gay
Yellow - SH Member (non swinging)
Pink - TV

I think there would be far too many different types to be able to cover them all if we go down the road of defining *how* we are a member, ie, swinger, dogger etc.
I thought the idea of a pin was simply to show membership of the site, not whether we swing or not? dunno

Jon and I are swingers and doggers, so what colour would we we wear if this system was implemented? :confused:
We should not be ridiculed for wanting something subtle either. Some of us do not wish to proclaim to the world what we do in our spare time, and wearing a lap dancer would certainly cause questions to be asked if I wore such a pin to work.
Ok so I don't need to wear it there, but why shouldn't I choose a pin which would fit in with *my* lifestyle? I do not feel the need to explain about what I do on here or anywhere else, so why should we be dismissed out of hand for asking for a subtle design? rolleyes

I am still of the opinion that the pins should be available only after certain criteria are met. Membership after a certain length of time, say six months, would be a start. This would weedle out the newbies who join hoping for a quick shag and then leave within a week or two.
Also to have joined in on the forum and got themselves known within that time frame would be a good idea. After all, no one would be allowed to join the site and attend a munch all within a week or so of becoming a member would they? So it should work this way for pins too IMO.
I see this thread rapidly deteriorating into a *verification* thread. Some members seem to feel that as the stalwarts, it is only they who should have say on the pins confused

Somehow, the idea of a pin gets less attractive by the minute sad

Tracy-Jayne

13 Jan 2005

I am personally after a badge akin to the ones worn by many other clubs, an ID pin. Like rotary, the magic circle, etc. These do not stand out but are a discrete little circle that says NOTICE ME to someone looking for it. That not to say that I don't also like the idea for the lady badge, I even would not mind one for other occasions like munches.
There is no reason I can see not to do both over time, and maybe even more ones? If munches continue to be like the Notts Munch there may even be a place for one off runs of a munch souvenir pin for people to keep / wear to other munches. Start a whole collection of more 'interesting' larger designs.
Lets be a little fluid in this badge thing, we don't need an entrenched position here peeps. All the ideas (well maybe not the balloons thing, static would wreck your hair) are good and have a place. We should be able to make a few of these come through if there are people willing to put up some cash, and others willing to sort designs and help distribute.
All we really need do is chose where to start and see where it all goes.

13 Jan 2005

How about this one???

13 Jan 2005

Cute, bit easy to work out though ;)

13 Jan 2005

Quote by tallnhairy
Cute, bit easy to work out though ;)

ya tis abit....o well Debs Stomps off and trys to think of anouther

13 Jan 2005

Quote by tallnhairy
I am personally after a badge akin to the ones worn by many other clubs, an ID pin. Like rotary, the magic circle, etc. These do not stand out but are a discrete little circle that says NOTICE ME to someone looking for it. That not to say that I don't also like the idea for the lady badge, I even would not mind one for other occasions like munches.
There is no reason I can see not to do both over time, and maybe even more ones? If munches continue to be like the Notts Munch there may even be a place for one off runs of a munch souvenir pin for people to keep / wear to other munches. Start a whole collection of more 'interesting' larger designs.
Lets be a little fluid in this badge thing, we don't need an entrenched position here peeps. All the ideas (well maybe not the balloons thing, static would wreck your hair) are good and have a place. We should be able to make a few of these come through if there are people willing to put up some cash, and others willing to sort designs and help distribute.
All we really need do is chose where to start and see where it all goes.

Sounds good to me Mr TnH. cool

I would think the best thing to start with is a simple design that is relatively cheap to produce and make it available to any member of the site who wants one. (At munches initially and then by post if someone is willing to take it on.) No need then to restart the 'verification wars' all over again.
Then if the idea takes off and people want a more overt design or special munch ones or chatroom ones or dogging or whatever then if Mark is happy to let the logo be used then why not go for it.
I think this is too good an idea to not at least give it a go. My personal preference for an initial design would be the blue/red/white SH oval without the lady but with a stylised SH in the middle. It could be quite small, relatively subtle but we would all recognise it.
Roger the Dragon .

13 Jan 2005

Weve missed so much ! have the window stickers been printed yet ?
By the way sorry Zoot was nowt personal :-)

13 Jan 2005

Quote by RedHot
This would weedle out the newbies who join hoping for a quick shag and then leave within a week or two.

I wonder if we're not worrying too much about the newbies. After all, folks who come here hoping for a quick shag and only stay a week or two are likely to wear their pin for about as long, as they'll soon find it doesn't do to members of the opposite sex what a magnet does to iron filings? And let's face facts... even if all 16,000 members get a pin, it's a big country and the chances of accidentally meeting one of the 15,999 other members isn't all that high?

14 Jan 2005

I've put together a graphic comprising 24 possible pins based on the drawings, suggestions and comments received so far.
I don't want to post them in the forum for reasons already explained, so what I propose is that anyone who wants to have a look, PM me and I'll send you a link. Say which ones you like/don't like, pass any further comments you may have, then when everyone's had their say, we can ask Mark to select a final design from half a dozen or so favourites.
Please don't pass the link on to anyone who's not an active user of the site.
Cheers,
Ice

15 Jan 2005

Those of you who have received the "Updated" link, please ignore it, it's rubbish - too small. Stick with the original link and I'll send a separate link for the late entry design that I received after the first link went out.
Thanks to everyone who's replied so far. I'm saving all your comments and will pass them on to Mark, who will make the final selection.
There are several popular choices with no really clear favourite as yet, so keep the comments coming. biggrin

If you haven't seen the designs yet, PM me for the links.
Ice

15 Jan 2005

BUMP!
Many thanks for all the feedback received so far. Anyone who hasn't seen them yet and wants the link, please PM me ASAP as I know people are eager to press on with this and I'd like to submit all your comments to Mark for a final decision on the design within the next couple of days.
Thanks again for all your input. biggrin

Ice

18 Jan 2005

Mark has now seen all the dratfs and ideas and read all the feedback, and has selected a design for the SH Pin.
(Drum roll........)
It's Number 13, which was a very popular choice among those of you who sent me your comments.
All of the ideas contributed by your good selves received positive comments, and I know Mark has taken everyone's views into account, so well done to everyone who has taken part.
OK, so it took a while to get this far, but I think we can take satisfaction from the knowledge that this was community decision. biggrin

I think the next thing is to get that design made into a top quality graphic that can be sent to a manufacturer so we get exactly what we want, and Scandal has offered to do that :D
On the subject of price, I've seen manufacturers advertising anything from less than a pound to more than a fiver each, depending on materials, quality, number of colours etc, so I think we need to reach some sort of consensus on how much we want to pay.
My own preference would be for the best quality we can possibly get and to hell with the cost, it's a one-off that'll keep forever.
Funding the first production run: Several people have expressed a willingness to put money up front and then sell the pins on to members. I like the idea of a few people sharing the cost of maybe five hundred pins to start instead of one person taking all the risk. Also having more than one person holding stock would make distribution easier, so I'll put my name down for a hundred quid's worth.
Distribution: The only firm view I personally have on that issue right now is that while I agree that munches would be the easiest place to start, I wouldn't want it to be restricted to that. A few people have said they would set up PO boxes for mail order, and as long as all the sellers were consistent with regard to pricing and not making a personal profit, I'd go along with that.
Eligibility: A hot potato, and I'm staying right out of that one for now. I personally think Mark and the mods should discuss that or we might end up with another V**********n debate. :shock:
Ice

18 Jan 2005

well done guys! seems we're actually moving forward on this! smile

if we're talkingxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, well it's gonna be a tad expensive to produce eh, what with pressing, enamelling, assembling etc. just go for the best quality available, get a price, and take it from there. would have thought 4 or 5 quid would be reasonable, but then i'm not stumping up for the first production run! lol

;)
and yup i'm staying RIGHT out of anything relating to verification and availablityetc! ;)
neil x x x ;)
Edited by mod who is creased up!!! :lol2:

19 Jan 2005

Good choice, offers lots of room for expansion smile

Can't wait to see them rolling off the presses... See it can all come together.

19 Jan 2005

Quote by Ice Pie
Mark has now seen all the dratfs and ideas and read all the feedback, and has selected a design for the SH Pin.
(Drum roll........)
It's Number 13, which was a very popular choice among those of you who sent me your comments.
All of the ideas contributed by your good selves received positive comments, and I know Mark has taken everyone's views into account, so well done to everyone who has taken part.
OK, so it took a while to get this far, but I think we can take satisfaction from the knowledge that this was community decision.
I think the next thing is to get that design made into a top quality graphic that can be sent to a manufacturer so we get exactly what we want, and Scandal has offered to do that :D
On the subject of price, I've seen manufacturers advertising anything from less than a pound to more than a fiver each, depending on materials, quality, number of colours etc, so I think we need to reach some sort of consensus on how much we want to pay.
My own preference would be for the best quality we can possibly get and to hell with the cost, it's a one-off that'll keep forever.
Funding the first production run: Several people have expressed a willingness to put money up front and then sell the pins on to members. I like the idea of a few people sharing the cost of maybe five hundred pins to start instead of one person taking all the risk. Also having more than one person holding stock would make distribution easier, so I'll put my name down for a hundred quid's worth.
Distribution: The only firm view I personally have on that issue right now is that while I agree that munches would be the easiest place to start, I wouldn't want it to be restricted to that. A few people have said they would set up PO boxes for mail order, and as long as all the sellers were consistent with regard to pricing and not making a personal profit, I'd go along with that.
Eligibility: A hot potato, and I'm staying right out of that one for now. I personally think Mark and the mods should discuss that or we might end up with another V**********n debate. :shock:
Ice

Bugger the individual price, I want one. However, I do think there should be some sort of restriction as to who qualifies to wear one.
It's just a thought, but it should really be restricted to regular members who have either been a member for say 1 year minimum, or to those who have posted at least 100 posts. Both qualifications are easy to verify by checking on the applicants membership file by who ever is selling the pins. Just a thought, as not everyone can make it to a Munch.
Harry0
Casanove, Drunk and dogger of this Parish.
hump

:borg:

19 Jan 2005

well i picked two that i would have been happy to wear, and 13 was one of them.. so i am happy!
i reckon that price is not ALWAYS an indication of quality - so rather than just going with the most expensive.. we should comapre whats on offer by some diff manufacturers.. and then see what seems best.
might also be a good idea if everyone said what they think is the maximum they would be prepared to pay.
personally i think anything up to Â£5 each (if the quality is good enough)... i dont really think any higher would be reasonable.

19 Jan 2005

yea happy with 13, has all qualitys everyone was looking for, higher quality the better 3-5 quid sounds about right, but then again i,am not stumping up the money for first run,
good luck on first run, smile

yea i want one wink

6 Feb 2005

Do we have any news as to how the s/h badge is coming along ? , was just wondering . Ta, H`red . biggrin

6 Feb 2005

You are already wearing one , it is just so subtle that you havent noticed it wink

6 Feb 2005

God yeh, ok I forgot to do it this week redface

Chatted to a nice man on the phone about it all biggrin

And just gotta email in the order etc. Hopefully will do it tomorrow at some point surprised

ops:
Once they come in, will put up a post and sort out properly how they are going to be distributed. I thought if anyone was holding a munch/party etc, if they wanted to buy a batch to distribute, that would be one way? Usual thing applies, only to SH members etc.
One problem with the pins though - due to the blends of colours in the design, it can't be done in enamel, they can only do block colours in enamel. So it will be a printed design, with a glaze put over the top.
I don't know what the differences in finishes are, so said this would be ok dunno

If anyone else knows more about pin printing, would be grateful if they can enlighten us :D
The price of them will be about Â£1 each (ish), won't know exactly until they arrive and paid for, delivery costs etc