BBC News:
A man has been shot at Stockwell Tube station by armed police officers, police confirm.
Passengers were evacuated from a Tube train on the Northern Line station in south London after the incident.
Passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen an Asian man shot five times by "plain-clothes police officers".
Services on the Victoria and Northern lines have been suspended following a request by the police, London Underground said.
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Today a man shot in London and another tube station closed
Sex God
The witness said on News24 that the man was running away from the police, hiding something under a padded jacket, he tripped running onto the train and one officer unloaded his gun into him as he lay on the floor. If he'd just nicked a stereo there's going to be hell to pay.
Apparently armed police are now surrounding a mosque in east London.
Apparently armed police are now surrounding a mosque in east London.
: Sex God
Apparently there were loads of police, all in plain clothes, all carrying guns, chasing this guy. They obviously thought he was an immediate threat so they probably had no choice.
I'm only speculating of course, but to shoot someone five times at point blank range says you want to make sure he is definitely dead, which could mean they thought he had a bomb and was going to detonate it.
I'm only speculating of course, but to shoot someone five times at point blank range says you want to make sure he is definitely dead, which could mean they thought he had a bomb and was going to detonate it.
Quote by Ice Pie
Apparently there were loads of police, all in plain clothes, all carrying guns, chasing this guy. They obviously thought he was an immediate threat so they probably had no choice.
I'm only speculating of course, but to shoot someone five times at point blank range says you want to make sure he is definitely dead, which could mean they thought he had a bomb and was going to detonate it.
shoot to kill policy..not to wound ..no prizes for a half dead armed suspect
Orgasminator
Quote by Ice Pie
If he'd just nicked a stereo there's going to be hell to pay..
Fair point, and it would be tragic if that is the case (nobody deserves to be shot for stealing an iPod/mobile/etc), but you would think that even the thieves might realise that the tube is going to be crawling with very jumpy armed coppers. I suppose if it does turn out that that's the case then we'd definitely have to say that it's 'business as usual' in the capital.
I do wonder who actually did the shooting - AFAIK SO19 don't have many, if any armed plainclothes coppers, and detectives aren't allowed to carry firearms any more. My bet is on the SAS.
Orgasminator
Quote by SXBOY
shoot to kill policy..not to wound ..no prizes for a half dead armed suspect
Even more important when they're dealing with potential suicide bombers, assuming it's not a screw up (see my post above) I'm glad they didn't take the chance of him blowing himself up on a train.
It does seem to me like a desperation move, if I were one of these scum I'd be lying very low indeed after yesterday's debacle. Maybe they know/think that the security services are on to them, or perhaps they're embarrassed about their failure yesterday, either way I think they're getting desperate.
Quote by SXBOY
Apparently there were loads of police, all in plain clothes, all carrying guns, chasing this guy. They obviously thought he was an immediate threat so they probably had no choice.
I'm only speculating of course, but to shoot someone five times at point blank range says you want to make sure he is definitely dead, which could mean they thought he had a bomb and was going to detonate it.
shoot to kill policy..not to wound ..no prizes for a half dead armed suspect
Yes no point in wanting to question the suspect now is there
Quote by Ice Pie
I'm only speculating of course, but to shoot someone five times at point blank range says you want to make sure he is definitely dead, which could mean they thought he had a bomb and was going to detonate it.
You only need a twitching finger to detonate a bomb. The police do a good job and have to make on the spot decisions - thats what we pay them to do so that we don't have to do it ourselves. If the guy had a bomb then it was the correct decision - if he didn't then it's his own damn fault for running from the police in an area that is VERY sensitive at the moment.
Quote by Wishmaster
I'm only speculating of course, but to shoot someone five times at point blank range says you want to make sure he is definitely dead, which could mean they thought he had a bomb and was going to detonate it.
You only need a twitching finger to detonate a bomb. The police do a good job and have to make on the spot decisions - thats what we pay them to do so that we don't have to do it ourselves. If the guy had a bomb then it was the correct decision - if he didn't then it's his own damn fault for running from the police in an area that is VERY sensitive at the moment.
And may I just add that perhaps we need to remember that there's a person at the other end of the weapon pulling a trigger. Pulling a trigger aimed at a real person possibly for the first time in his life with the intent to bring that person down . Can you imagine what that must feel like? I'm sure no amount of training can prepare you for a cold, calculated judgement in a moment like that. 5 shots may seem excessive, but how would YOU react when faced with the same terror?
Did you know back home 90% of the police officers who open fire go for counciling after?
Sex God
Quote by Libra+Love
Can you imagine what that must feel like? I'm sure no amount of training can prepare you for a cold, calculated judgement in a moment like that. 5 shots may seem excessive, but how would YOU react when faced with the same terror?
Personally I'd be scared shitless. I might not be able to make that decision and I'm very grateful that someone has accepted that responsibility on my behalf.
Quote by seagull69
Apparently there were loads of police, all in plain clothes, all carrying guns, chasing this guy. They obviously thought he was an immediate threat so they probably had no choice.
I'm only speculating of course, but to shoot someone five times at point blank range says you want to make sure he is definitely dead, which could mean they thought he had a bomb and was going to detonate it.
shoot to kill policy..not to wound ..no prizes for a half dead armed suspect
Yes no point in wanting to question the suspect now is there
No point in leaving enougt life to detinate a bomb either
Quote by Libra+Love
I'm only speculating of course, but to shoot someone five times at point blank range says you want to make sure he is definitely dead, which could mean they thought he had a bomb and was going to detonate it.
You only need a twitching finger to detonate a bomb. The police do a good job and have to make on the spot decisions - thats what we pay them to do so that we don't have to do it ourselves. If the guy had a bomb then it was the correct decision - if he didn't then it's his own damn fault for running from the police in an area that is VERY sensitive at the moment.
And may I just add that perhaps we need to remember that there's a person at the other end of the weapon pulling a trigger. Pulling a trigger aimed at a real person possibly for the first time in his life with the intent to bring that person down . Can you imagine what that must feel like? I'm sure no amount of training can prepare you for a cold, calculated judgement in a moment like that. 5 shots may seem excessive, but how would YOU react when faced with the same terror?
You don`t even think about it Love, just in a days work for these guys who have been highly trained, they would have challenged the man and when he ran they would have made the decission not to give him the chance to detinate.
Did you know back home 90% of the police officers who open fire go for counciling after?
My mate got promoted
well firstly, I do fell rather sorry for the man who was shot and feel terribly sorry for his family .......BUT
in the current climate, and more armed police,it does seem completely and utterly muupet strewn running away from them hiding something under your jacket!!
and I'm completely in agreement with Libra about feeling sorry for the officer who had to make that decision. We do indeed put these people in these positions, and for me, he has done it with nothing but courage, even if it does turn out to be just a bag snatcher....
the rules for engagement for an officer or military personel in these cases is clear, just like anywhere else, The man did not stop when requested, and proceeded to flee, into the tube if I'm not mistaken, he was carrying a package of some sort hidden under his jacket, so ergo posed a possible bomb threat, he was warned (I hope!!) and did not comply, he was then shot, some say excessively. But if he had been carrying a bomb or grenade, then if he was still alive, could of detonated it, ergo when they shoot, they shoot to KILL.................
Horrible set of circumstances, but sounds to me like it is no ones fault but the guy who ran.
in the current climate, and more armed police,it does seem completely and utterly muupet strewn running away from them hiding something under your jacket!!
and I'm completely in agreement with Libra about feeling sorry for the officer who had to make that decision. We do indeed put these people in these positions, and for me, he has done it with nothing but courage, even if it does turn out to be just a bag snatcher....
the rules for engagement for an officer or military personel in these cases is clear, just like anywhere else, The man did not stop when requested, and proceeded to flee, into the tube if I'm not mistaken, he was carrying a package of some sort hidden under his jacket, so ergo posed a possible bomb threat, he was warned (I hope!!) and did not comply, he was then shot, some say excessively. But if he had been carrying a bomb or grenade, then if he was still alive, could of detonated it, ergo when they shoot, they shoot to KILL.................
Horrible set of circumstances, but sounds to me like it is no ones fault but the guy who ran.
Quote by Ice Pie
Can you imagine what that must feel like? I'm sure no amount of training can prepare you for a cold, calculated judgement in a moment like that. 5 shots may seem excessive, but how would YOU react when faced with the same terror?
Personally I'd be scared shitless. I might not be able to make that decision and I'm very grateful that someone has accepted that responsibility on my behalf.
How hard would anyone find it protecting their own loved ones from a killer? ........... I would not hesitate for a split second, and this officer has done his uniform and the people that it protects very proud today. He exercised his considerable training in a very difficult position. He weighed the pros and cons of his actions in a very small amount of time and acted accordingly. The needs of the many far outweighed the needs of the one in this incident.
If you live by the sword............be prepared to die by it too.
Sex God
Quote by bushwackers
You don`t even think about it Love, just in a days work for these guys who have been highly trained, they would have challenged the man and when he ran they would have made the decission not to give him the chance to detinate.
Training doesn't stop you being human. You can't possibly know how the officer is going to be affected. Yes, he was trained to make that decision, but he wasn't trained to deal with what it might do to his conscience. You can't train for that.
I used to be a train driver. I too was trained for my task and I was made aware that I might witness violent death in the line of duty. And so it transpired. I didn't know how it would affect me until it happened - there's no way I could have prepared for that. If you ever have to go to an inquest and face the sons and daughters of a man who chose you as his instrument of suicide, you'll know what I mean.
Sex God
Yep. If anything it's worse for a police marksman. You'll be asked to make a decision in a split second that will have huge reprocussions for a lot of people, then you'll be forced to justify it. That's what the training's for, but it doesn't stop you from thinking about the life and all the potentials for that person and others, that you've taken away.
Sex God
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Yep. If anything it's worse for a police marksman.
Absolutely. I just re-read my post and it could look as though I was trying to equate my situation with the policeman's. It wasn't a particularly good comparison because he had to make a deliberate decision to kill someone. I managed to cope with not being able to save the guy, but would I be able to cope with having deliberately taken a human life? I hope I never have to find out.
Quote by seagull69
Apparently there were loads of police, all in plain clothes, all carrying guns, chasing this guy. They obviously thought he was an immediate threat so they probably had no choice.
I'm only speculating of course, but to shoot someone five times at point blank range says you want to make sure he is definitely dead, which could mean they thought he had a bomb and was going to detonate it.
shoot to kill policy..not to wound ..no prizes for a half dead armed suspect
Yes no point in wanting to question the suspect now is there
It was a splint second desision to shoot i would expect, innocent lives were at risk......no time to ask nicely if he had a bomb under his jacket....
Sex God
Quote by Ice Pie
Can you imagine what that must feel like? I'm sure no amount of training can prepare you for a cold, calculated judgement in a moment like that. 5 shots may seem excessive, but how would YOU react when faced with the same terror?
Personally I'd be scared shitless. I might not be able to make that decision and I'm very grateful that someone has accepted that responsibility on my behalf.
I soooooooooooooooo agree with you there......MrGHC works/worked in the firearms industry and has friends and acquaitances in the police and firearms business, so has heard all the stories and experiences some of the police have had in these instances. The police officer who shot the guy this morning, will now be suspended from duty until its been fully investigated.
Quote by Sexysteph
I really feel for the Officer - He will be the one having to face the interogations by colleagues for all the fecking Do-Gooders God they make my blood boil
...I echo that Steph...well done to the Bobby involved, hopefully he saved a lot of lives this morning by sacrificing one.
It is though right & proper that there is a 'cold light of day' inquiry into the shooting, so we all know that things were done properly. What none of us I want is the development of a trigger happy police force who feel justified in using weapons indiscriminately against anyone in the future.
Sex God
I have only now just got back to my office, having had a 10am appointment just down the road from all this, what a nightmare.
Likely I was on the phone to a certain female off this site at the time, and although I don't she relised it, I just wanted to get out of there but the traffic was going no where, sent by the police up a no entry road, over red traffic lights. Etc etc, reported and TV cameras all over the place, and I then had to drive by the Oval station, and on into Kennington
If it hadn't been for this person just talking to be about life in general, I think I would have panicked, I’m not use to seeing armed police, and major road closures like that.
Likely I was on the phone to a certain female off this site at the time, and although I don't she relised it, I just wanted to get out of there but the traffic was going no where, sent by the police up a no entry road, over red traffic lights. Etc etc, reported and TV cameras all over the place, and I then had to drive by the Oval station, and on into Kennington
If it hadn't been for this person just talking to be about life in general, I think I would have panicked, I’m not use to seeing armed police, and major road closures like that.