Flower
In plain english please, why did you feel the need to post this in the first place?
Why should anyone be worried what religion our EX Prime Minister should choose to follow?
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Tony Blair ...Catholic !! Really ?
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Quote by flower411
Because he was obviously Catholic while he was Prime Minister as somebody has pointed out and suggested that I hadn`t noticed !!
Why would he attempt to hide this ??? If it is irrelevant why wait ?
He wasnt officially received into the Catholic Church until Fri 21st Dec 2007, so he wasnt officially Catholic until that point. He may have being studying Catholosism whilst he was in office but I still fail to see your point.
There has never been a Roman Catholic prime minister of Britain, although there is no constitutional barrier to such a move so why would he need to 'attempt to hide' this?
Why do you find the fact that he is now officially catholic so offensive?
Im probably missing a point here. Someones religion is a personal matter. Tony Blair has been on a personal journey, so what???
Sorry Flower but this time you have totally lost me.
Maybe YOU should read the thread again...You raise an interesting point - contraceptive use within the swinging community. But I am hearing this - " all Catholics refuse to use condoms, it's disgraceful that they should be on the scene and one should certainly not have been running the country."
I have spoken to a number of "papists" as you refer to us, all firm believers in condom use. Let's face it, if a Catholic is part of this community they are hardly likely to adhere to the contraceptive ban for religious reasons! Bearing in mind that the reason for the ban is not to spread disease. It's because sex within Catholicism is intended to be between a married couple, purely for the purpose of procreation....
I think it's fair to say that swingers who do not use condoms do not choose to do so because of their religious beliefs. What those reasons are I can't say - laziness? Pleasure? Cos it's a ? Insanity?
So by all means debate the evils of "bareback riding" but please, Flower, stop with the sweeping generalisations against Catholics?
I have spoken to a number of "papists" as you refer to us, all firm believers in condom use. Let's face it, if a Catholic is part of this community they are hardly likely to adhere to the contraceptive ban for religious reasons! Bearing in mind that the reason for the ban is not to spread disease. It's because sex within Catholicism is intended to be between a married couple, purely for the purpose of procreation....
I think it's fair to say that swingers who do not use condoms do not choose to do so because of their religious beliefs. What those reasons are I can't say - laziness? Pleasure? Cos it's a ? Insanity?
So by all means debate the evils of "bareback riding" but please, Flower, stop with the sweeping generalisations against Catholics?
Sex God
Quote by Flower
Because he was obviously Catholic while he was Prime Minister as somebody has pointed out and suggested that I hadn`t noticed !!
and that's a problem for why?
Quote by Flower
Why would he attempt to hide this ???
uuummmm . . . again . . . have you been living in a cave? when exactly did he try to hide his Catholic persuasions, cos if you google it, Tony Blair's been on a bit of a personal journey towards Catholicism since about 2003? did that pass you by? go over your head like an aeroplane? :? i suspect not, cos you're cleverer than that, aren't you?
can't say as it bothers me, cos i think he was clever enough not to allow some supposed Papal primacy to detract from his Prime Ministerial powers? :?as to your question, there's never been a Catholic Prime Minister in this country, and maybe he didn't want to cause a Constitutional furore, with all the legal entanglements that might have involved, what with the Head of the C of E being his boss and all that bollox, but can't see as it's a 'Big Issue'? :?
what are you on about?
n x x x ;)
p.s. Tiger_lily? top posts! :thumbup: ;)
Quote by flower411
I asked the question because I thought people might be able to discuss sensibly and then I mentioned something that is a "core" element of catholicism that affects swingers and got called a "small minded bigot"
people were discussing...some disagreed with you,some didn't have a fuck what you were going on about...then you decided to get nasty!
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Could we have a new category .... I`m catholic and want to infect everybody with any STD I happen to be carrying because I don`t care ..... ?
my wife is a Catholic,she's also a swinger she insists on condoms being used at all times during sex when we play with other couples...so how the banning of condoms should effect Catholic swingers should effect others is irrelevant...considering they shouldn't be swinging in the first place...but like a lot of Catholics...i'm sure they break the rules every know and again.
Orgasminator
If you are a catholic you can not use a condom
If you are a muslim you can not drink alcohol
If you are a Christian you shall not kill
Maybe mr flower should read the whole book and then he may have a better understanding that there is more to a religion and a persons belief then just one line.
If you are a muslim you can not drink alcohol
If you are a Christian you shall not kill
Maybe mr flower should read the whole book and then he may have a better understanding that there is more to a religion and a persons belief then just one line.
Sex God
No Flower I'm not concerned hun. I wasn't concerned with his religion when he was in office and I'm not concerned now. In all fairness I think that if he is finding a pathway that is right for him then he should follow it and see where it goes, just the same as anyone has the right to do.
I think I can see the point you were making but even if the notion had crossed his mind to try to pass anything that may have effected this country as it didnt sit well with his religion it would have stayed just that...a notion.
I think I can see the point you were making
but even if the notion had crossed his mind to try to pass anything that may have effected this country as it didnt sit well with his religion it would have stayed just that...a notion. 
Sex God
Quote by flower411
I knew this would stir the place up ... but i seriously thought that people might be able to discuss without to many insults .. so far it`s all been low key .. and lets keep it that way !!
And yet you started your post with a sweeping insult to a faith that is obviously practised by many not only in the UK in general but obviously within the swinging community
Quote by flower411
I`ll come back and give the "small minded bigots" view sometime tomorrow
I wouldn't bother, IMHO you've made enough of a twat of yourself already with your hole digging and grasping at ridiculous agendas looking for a way out. If your argument was about the use of condoms then quite simply dont play with anyone that wont use one. Dont attempt to use that as a smoke screen to your bigoted views.
Mark it down as experience and move on flower.
In a country blighted by sectarianism, particularly in the west of scotland I, even as a non follower of any faith, find your post to have been deeply offensive.
In response to the original question
This thread has moved on considerably from the original question, now dealing with the issues of condom use within the swinging community and some cross reference to catholicism and not using them, which i personally find quite bizarre. I dont think religion plays any part in the decision making process as to whether you use a condom or not, thats a personal choice irrespective of religion surely?
Quote by flower411Not at all, with hindsight, he did a pretty good job, whatever his faith
So the man that sent our soldiers into unpopular, American sponsored wars against predominately muslim foes, turns out to be a papist !! :shock:
This is a joke ......surely !!No, its a mans personal choice as to which direction his beliefs take him
I`m a "non voter" living in a democracy and all of a sudden I`m worried .....i should have voted , but NO I didn`t know he was catholic !! so why would I vote against him ?? I would have voted if I`d known ! Oh the joys of hindsight, you're a non voter yet you all of sudden have an opinion, one which you think others might even be remotely interested in?
Anybody else ....at least . concerned ??
This thread has moved on considerably from the original question, now dealing with the issues of condom use within the swinging community and some cross reference to catholicism and not using them, which i personally find quite bizarre. I dont think religion plays any part in the decision making process as to whether you use a condom or not, thats a personal choice irrespective of religion surely?
Quote by flower411
Yeah !!! of course !!! but they not making it a part of their religion !!! they are just ignorant !!! what does it make you if you are an intelligent person who cites "religion" as the reason ???
Who are these intelligent people that cite religion for not using condoms within a swinging environment? Or is that just another ill-founded sweeping statement?
I would imagine that sex outside of marriage would be a greater sin than using a condom, so, on the principle of being hung for a sheep as a lamb, I expect that Catholics who swing would also take the added risk of eternal damnation and use a condom ... unless of course they had reasons other than Catholicism to sway their judgement.
Sex God
I knew this would stir the place up ... but i seriously thought that people might be able to discuss without too many insults
so basically, your saying you deliberately posted a religion thread, at Christmas, which you knew would put people's backs up? and now you're complaining that people have been insulting, when you've gone all out to insult every single Catholic on this forum? go figure?
Flower, when you find yourself in a hole, the trick is to stop digging?
have one of these on me :
it's a Super Excavator. i think you might need it?
neil x x x ;)
Sex God
its all a smoke screen....blair is a lizard... david vine told me
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Sex God
Staggy, i think you'll find that's the Queen Mum, God rest her soul. they eat babies as well them Royals you know? ;)
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Hen harriers actually
Politics and Religion are two subjects that i have always been told are in the Pub.
I now see a swingers forum as falling into the "Pub" category!
The only concerning point about Blair announcing he has turned to the Catholic faith is that he was unable to do this while Prime Minister. Whether or not you think he goes down in history as a good or bad Prime Minister should be judged on the policies he oversaw not his religous beliefs.
When i first read the post i was hoping this was what the original poster was trying to debate .. but later comments have shown my worst fears that it was tinged with religous bigotism. Maybe time for an apology ?
I now see a swingers forum as falling into the "Pub" category!
The only concerning point about Blair announcing he has turned to the Catholic faith is that he was unable to do this while Prime Minister. Whether or not you think he goes down in history as a good or bad Prime Minister should be judged on the policies he oversaw not his religous beliefs.
When i first read the post i was hoping this was what the original poster was trying to debate .. but later comments have shown my worst fears that it was tinged with religous bigotism. Maybe time for an apology ?
Master of Sex
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Flower
In plain english please, why did you feel the need to post this in the first place?
Why should anyone be worried what religion our EX Prime Minister should choose to follow?
very very reasonable question
Quote by Suede-headLet us consider what Blair has done.
Politics and Religion are two subjects that i have always been told are in the Pub.
I now see a swingers forum as falling into the "Pub" category!
The only concerning point about Blair announcing he has turned to the Catholic faith is that he was unable to do this while Prime Minister. Whether or not you think he goes down in history as a good or bad Prime Minister should be judged on the policies he oversaw not his religous beliefs.
When i first read the post i was hoping this was what the original poster was trying to debate .. but later comments have shown my worst fears that it was tinged with religous bigotism. Maybe time for an apology ?
He converted to Catholic after leaving office, or did he make his conversion public after leaving office. Did he always have loyalties to a foreign nation, the Vatican State? When he acted with British resources, was he acting for Britain, the Common Wealth or even the whole human race? Was he fulfilling other goals? If he had been acting in good faith surly he should have said "I am Catholic, vote for me or not."
It is not that he gave obedience to the Pope, but that he hid it, like he hid so much.
Travis
Sex God
Quote byLet us consider what Blair has done.
Politics and Religion are two subjects that i have always been told are in the Pub.
I now see a swingers forum as falling into the "Pub" category!
The only concerning point about Blair announcing he has turned to the Catholic faith is that he was unable to do this while Prime Minister. Whether or not you think he goes down in history as a good or bad Prime Minister should be judged on the policies he oversaw not his religous beliefs.
When i first read the post i was hoping this was what the original poster was trying to debate .. but later comments have shown my worst fears that it was tinged with religous bigotism. Maybe time for an apology ?
He converted to Catholic after leaving office, or did he make his conversion public after leaving office. Did he always have loyalties to a foreign nation, the Vatican State? When he acted with British resources, was he acting for Britain, the Common Wealth or even the whole human race? Was he fulfilling other goals? If he had been acting in good faith surly he should have said "I am Catholic, vote for me or not."
It is not that he gave obedience to the Pope, but that he hid it, like he hid so much.
Travis
Why the hell should his religion make any difference
tmann:wrote
quote]Let us consider what Blair has done.
He converted to Catholic after leaving office, or did he make his conversion public after leaving office. Did he always have loyalties to a foreign nation, the Vatican State? When he acted with British resources, was he acting for Britain, the Common Wealth or even the whole human race? Was he fulfilling other goals? If he had been acting in good faith surly he should have said "I am Catholic, vote for me or not."
It is not that he gave obedience to the Pope, but that he hid it, like he hid so much.
Travis
If you know about politics you would understand that the Prime Minister is purely the figure head for the party and policies. He has a cabinet and 376 MP's that have a say you know..and thats just on his side of the house. Had he converted whilst in office people would have said it was spin to get more votes anyway... fact is as stated before it is none of our business what religous beliefs or conversions he now has...this is a private man's personal journey in religion.
quote]Let us consider what Blair has done.
He converted to Catholic after leaving office, or did he make his conversion public after leaving office. Did he always have loyalties to a foreign nation, the Vatican State? When he acted with British resources, was he acting for Britain, the Common Wealth or even the whole human race? Was he fulfilling other goals? If he had been acting in good faith surly he should have said "I am Catholic, vote for me or not."
It is not that he gave obedience to the Pope, but that he hid it, like he hid so much.
Travis
If you know about politics you would understand that the Prime Minister is purely the figure head for the party and policies. He has a cabinet and 376 MP's that have a say you know..and thats just on his side of the house. Had he converted whilst in office people would have said it was spin to get more votes anyway... fact is as stated before it is none of our business what religous beliefs or conversions he now has...this is a private man's personal journey in religion.
Quote by Mallock2006Let us consider what Blair has done.
Politics and Religion are two subjects that i have always been told are in the Pub.
I now see a swingers forum as falling into the "Pub" category!
The only concerning point about Blair announcing he has turned to the Catholic faith is that he was unable to do this while Prime Minister. Whether or not you think he goes down in history as a good or bad Prime Minister should be judged on the policies he oversaw not his religous beliefs.
When i first read the post i was hoping this was what the original poster was trying to debate .. but later comments have shown my worst fears that it was tinged with religous bigotism. Maybe time for an apology ?
He converted to Catholic after leaving office, or did he make his conversion public after leaving office. Did he always have loyalties to a foreign nation, the Vatican State? When he acted with British resources, was he acting for Britain, the Common Wealth or even the whole human race? Was he fulfilling other goals? If he had been acting in good faith surly he should have said "I am Catholic, vote for me or not."
It is not that he gave obedience to the Pope, but that he hid it, like he hid so much.
Travis
Why the hell should his religion make any difference
It is his concealment, of his beliefs, not his beliefs. Sex God
Quote byLet us consider what Blair has done.
Politics and Religion are two subjects that i have always been told are in the Pub.
I now see a swingers forum as falling into the "Pub" category!
The only concerning point about Blair announcing he has turned to the Catholic faith is that he was unable to do this while Prime Minister. Whether or not you think he goes down in history as a good or bad Prime Minister should be judged on the policies he oversaw not his religous beliefs.
When i first read the post i was hoping this was what the original poster was trying to debate .. but later comments have shown my worst fears that it was tinged with religous bigotism. Maybe time for an apology ?
He converted to Catholic after leaving office, or did he make his conversion public after leaving office. Did he always have loyalties to a foreign nation, the Vatican State? When he acted with British resources, was he acting for Britain, the Common Wealth or even the whole human race? Was he fulfilling other goals? If he had been acting in good faith surly he should have said "I am Catholic, vote for me or not."
It is not that he gave obedience to the Pope, but that he hid it, like he hid so much.
Travis
Why the hell should his religion make any difference
It is his concealment, of his beliefs, not his beliefs.Why the fuck should his religious beliefs matter ?????
Do Catholics make bad PM's ???
Do PM's make bad Catholics ????
Does it really fukin matter ???????
The point i was making was that he was "unable" not "unwilling" to disclose his new found faith.
In fact followers of Politics would have been aware he was converting to Catholicism ... like all men who want a quiet life he was following the lead of his wife!
Like a previous poster said the Prime Minister of this country can not be a confirmed Catholic ... in todays age of multi-culturalism this seems anarchic. I for one would have admired Blair more if he had "come out" as a Catholic rather than wait till he had served his time as PM.
We could of have had the debate as to whether a Prime Minister`s faith effected his policies in the Public, rather than on on a Swingers forum .. but as Mallock quite rightly puts "Does it really fukin matter ???????"
In fact followers of Politics would have been aware he was converting to Catholicism ... like all men who want a quiet life he was following the lead of his wife!
Like a previous poster said the Prime Minister of this country can not be a confirmed Catholic ... in todays age of multi-culturalism this seems anarchic. I for one would have admired Blair more if he had "come out" as a Catholic rather than wait till he had served his time as PM.
We could of have had the debate as to whether a Prime Minister`s faith effected his policies in the Public, rather than on on a Swingers forum .. but as Mallock quite rightly puts "Does it really fukin matter ???????"
Sex God
Yes i am concerned.
Concerned that someone can be worried by someones religion.
How about we ensure no "papists" ever get a position of power in any organisation ever again. Lest they force you to do something they believe in.
Concerned that someone can be worried by someones religion.
How about we ensure no "papists" ever get a position of power in any organisation ever again. Lest they force you to do something they believe in.
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The point i was making was that he was "unable" not "unwilling" to disclose his new found faith.
It was pretty much common knowledge that he would convert when he left office. I believe he attended mass with the rest of the family while still PM.
And sorry - what has the Vatican got out of this alleged use of British resources in the conflicts in Afghan and Iraq?
As Suede points out - the country is not run on the whims of one man...it's called democracy...we elect 646 MPs to help....
I just don't understand this bizarre assumption that all Catholics are motivated purely by their religion, that all our decisions are based on what the Church says and wants. There's not this mad "papist" plot to take over the world you know
