Hello all,
Does anyone have access to someone in traffic police ?
I am riding a bike from waaaaaaaay down south to waaaaaay up norf at the weekend.
It is Insured in my name and has a full MOT. Because the current owner from whom I am purchasing it has had it in his garage tucked up nicely accumulating shiny bits. He has not taxed it. I am getting there after the PO shuts so can't tax it. He can't tax it as he doesn't have it insured.
If I have every other bit of documentation including a bill of sale. Will I most likely get a producer for the Tax which I will be able to get on the Monday ?
What do ya think ?
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Sex God
Can you tax it online before you set off?
Sex God
Borrow the numberplate off a taxed bike and ride nicely 
Not in traffic or anything but had a similar occurrence recently with my works van. It was necessary to change the documentation to me as the registered keeper and tax it. This involved a new 'log book'.
The DVLA would not tax it until the 'log book' was issued. The van was off the road for over two weeks.
This is a similar situation for you where a change of owner/keeper is involved. There would be no problem if
it was taxed and you were about to apply for change of ownership. You have less chance of being snapped on a bike provided that you are not stopped or do anything wrong. Apply for the tax from the beginning of this month when you have the new document. If you do get stopped routinely at least you are insured and the bike is safe to be on the road. Hope for a sympathetic cop.
The DVLA would not tax it until the 'log book' was issued. The van was off the road for over two weeks.
This is a similar situation for you where a change of owner/keeper is involved. There would be no problem if
it was taxed and you were about to apply for change of ownership. You have less chance of being snapped on a bike provided that you are not stopped or do anything wrong. Apply for the tax from the beginning of this month when you have the new document. If you do get stopped routinely at least you are insured and the bike is safe to be on the road. Hope for a sympathetic cop.
Sex God
....the insurance will be invalid as the car is not taxed. best bet is to leave the car where it is and pick it up on the Monday after it has been taxed.
In law, if the vehicle is not taxed it is not insured.
Under such circumstances the police can not only ask you to produce the necessary evidence at a police station but can also sieze the bike on the spot and ultimately destroy it and of course prosecute.
All depends on the individual copper on the day, the specific police force and any initiatives they may have in hand to stop uninsured vehicle use.
Personally I would not take any of those risks in view of the widespread use of number plate recognition nor would I take the risk of being involved in an accident on an uninsured vehicle that may involve third parties.
Take the transfer bit of the log book and the insurance and the MOT to the nearest post office on the Saturday morning and tax it after you have bought it and before you drive it home seems like the best bet.
Im not a traffic cop but I have had to mop up the afttermath of uninsured vehicle use on a number of occasions.
Under such circumstances the police can not only ask you to produce the necessary evidence at a police station but can also sieze the bike on the spot and ultimately destroy it and of course prosecute.
All depends on the individual copper on the day, the specific police force and any initiatives they may have in hand to stop uninsured vehicle use.
Personally I would not take any of those risks in view of the widespread use of number plate recognition nor would I take the risk of being involved in an accident on an uninsured vehicle that may involve third parties.
Take the transfer bit of the log book and the insurance and the MOT to the nearest post office on the Saturday morning and tax it after you have bought it and before you drive it home seems like the best bet.
Im not a traffic cop but I have had to mop up the afttermath of uninsured vehicle use on a number of occasions.
Sex God
As said above I'd be tempted to tax it on line. Is it registered in your name yet? If it isn't then the tax disc may go to the previous owner and not you.
OK I think your choices are:
1) Not tax it, ride it back through several different counties who have differing objectives when it comes to generating revenue from road users and may or may not be shit-hot with their number plate recognition system. If you're caught, you'll risk having the bike impounded there and then and you'll have to wait until after the w/end to get the tax disk so you can get the bike back, all the while the storage fees are mounting. (I know they (local council) impound for tax as I know someone who lost their car for a day).
2) Tax it on line and hope that it goes on the system before the weekend so that you don't ping a ANPR and earn yourself a £60 FPN fine (and possibly points) for "Failure to display.....".
3) wait until it's legal and then get it.
think I 'know' people (not me, I'm a goood lad ;) ) that have done pretty much every one of the above, but the state sees motorists as a handy cash-point and does tend to go all out in most counties to make sure our roads are safe. The other point is that while there may be guidelines that limit police chasing a bike, these aren't exactly hard and fast. When you also consider that the police now buy Subarus, Evo's, even unmarked M5 BMWs and usually have a pretty good idea how to drive them in order to milk the cash-cows ... sorry :doh: motorists ..... well if it was me I'd tax online and risk the stop and FPN for no display.
I would probably take it easy and not ride in a 'spirited' fashion, especially in areas I did not know and I'd print a copy of off, so if I did get stopped I'd at least know my rights.
OK I think your choices are:
1) Not tax it, ride it back through several different counties who have differing objectives when it comes to generating revenue from road users and may or may not be shit-hot with their number plate recognition system. If you're caught, you'll risk having the bike impounded there and then and you'll have to wait until after the w/end to get the tax disk so you can get the bike back, all the while the storage fees are mounting. (I know they (local council) impound for tax as I know someone who lost their car for a day).
2) Tax it on line and hope that it goes on the system before the weekend so that you don't ping a ANPR and earn yourself a £60 FPN fine (and possibly points) for "Failure to display.....".
3) wait until it's legal and then get it.
think I 'know' people (not me, I'm a goood lad ;) ) that have done pretty much every one of the above, but the state sees motorists as a handy cash-point and does tend to go all out in most counties to make sure our roads are safe.
The other point is that while there may be guidelines that limit police chasing a bike, these aren't exactly hard and fast. When you also consider that the police now buy Subarus, Evo's, even unmarked M5 BMWs and usually have a pretty good idea how to drive them in order to milk the cash-cows ... sorry :doh: motorists ..... well if it was me I'd tax online and risk the stop and FPN for no display.I would probably take it easy and not ride in a 'spirited' fashion, especially in areas I did not know and I'd print a copy of off, so if I did get stopped I'd at least know my rights.
Quote by benrums0n
Take the transfer bit of the log book and the insurance and the MOT to the nearest post office on the Saturday morning and tax it after you have bought it and before you drive it home seems like the best bet.
Im not a traffic cop but I have had to mop up the afttermath of uninsured vehicle use on a number of occasions.
I am unable to do the first thing, other commitments. I have also paid a vast amount of money on non-refundable train tickets to go and see the bike and pick it up. I was stupid and actually thought it was taxed when I struck my deal. The bike is unique in many respects so isn't something I can just wait around for....
anyhoo your second paragraph would imply that 'bloody' road accidents are caused by uninsured vehicles. I would actually suggest that the cause of road accidents are caused by people driving badly, one way or another. If I have an accident then it will be because I am driving badly not because I am uninsured. (if I am uninsured)
thanks all for your advice and help....
I am looking at recorded/next day delivery for my insurance documents to get to the seller so he can tax on that...as he has the bike registered as off road.. which means he hasn't got the code needed to purchase on-line.
Kenty - your suggestion is good and I have got a bike that goes fast....... very fast :shock: I only have any intention of seeing those numbers on the speedo and imagining... not actually experiencing.
Quote by kentswingers777
Get on the back of mine, and you can experience.
But I would probably be too fast for ya, and we don't want you leaning too far to the right on it.....do we?
If your riding is as rapier as your wit I am sure that your speed will hold no surprises...... and I never ride pillion.
dont take this as genuine as i have a tendency for bullsh*t however stick a small number plate on and anpr cant pick you up they are set to pick up only standard plates hence the governments insistence everyone now must use standard plates with standard can generally get away with not displaying a tax disc on a bike as they are so easy to steal and the police know straight away if the vehicle is actually taxed..on the point of being uninsured if you have no tax that isnt strictly true if you are paying your insurance then they must prove that any accident had arisen from whatever you had neglected,bit hard to blame a crash on having no tax disc unless it affected your balance that said most cases they will only pay out to 3rd party not any damage to yourself or your belongings,.....if its motted and insured then do it online i'm sure there is a way round it if you dont have the log book ,,leave it with me i'll see if i can figure it out
Quote by Leathered
..on the point of being uninsured if you have no tax that isnt strictly true if you are paying your insurance then they must prove that any accident had arisen from whatever you had neglected,bit hard to blame a crash on having no tax disc unless it affected your balance that said most cases they will only pay out to 3rd party not any damage to yourself or your belongings,.....if its motted and insured then do it online i'm sure there is a way round it if you dont have the log book ,,leave it with me i'll see if i can figure it out
Actually I think you will find that having no tax or MOT makes your insurance invalid and most insurance companies will break their necks to get out of paying up if they have a good reason.
Quote by splendid_
Get on the back of mine, and you can experience.
But I would probably be too fast for ya, and we don't want you leaning too far to the right on it.....do we?
If your riding is as rapier as your wit I am sure that your speed will hold no surprises...... and I never ride pillion.
Not even with me? :rascal:
I'll let you wear your "special" pink leather item :wink:
Quote by Witchy
Get on the back of mine, and you can experience.
But I would probably be too fast for ya, and we don't want you leaning too far to the right on it.....do we?
If your riding is as rapier as your wit I am sure that your speed will hold no surprises...... and I never ride pillion.
Not even with me? :rascal:
I'll let you wear your "special" pink leather item:wink:
What I meant by aftermath splendid was that uninsured accidents are horrible to resolve since there is no insurance company to pick up the admin or the tab. Interestingly uninsured vehicles are more likely to be involved in accidents than insured ones but that wasnt something I was even hinting at.
Oh and you cant insure a vehicle on the web if you are not the registered keeper at the DVLA.
Oh and you cant insure a vehicle on the web if you are not the registered keeper at the DVLA.
Sex God
but you can be insured to drive another car even if not yours if you are the first driver on a fully comprehensive car insurance i dont know about bikes insurance ... but again will be invalid on an un taxed vehicle
o.k. a resolution has been found....
I have spent a small fortune to have the certificate of Insurance to be sent down next day delivery guaranteed pre - 9am.
the current owner will now go down to his local post office and purchase aforementioned tax tomorrow AM (Sat). I will be sat on the train (first class
) with all my bike gear on and my tank bag... doing some work and stuff on my notebook (tiny laptop) I will arrive in Bristol early afternoon. (obviously won't mention details in case one of my stalkers are reading this 
)
one of my bessie mates... will collect me in his car (that I managed to negotiate a 3 grand reduction on when he bought it) and he will ferry me to the bike... I will view it.. and hopefully purchase it. My mate and I will return to his house and play catch up and have some dinner and go to sleep. I will then return by train the next morning and climb aboard and begin my epic return journey with tank bag, patience and pure pleasure.
I just gotta work out the bikes name.
for all of your advice.
I have spent a small fortune to have the certificate of Insurance to be sent down next day delivery guaranteed pre - 9am.
the current owner will now go down to his local post office and purchase aforementioned tax tomorrow AM (Sat). I will be sat on the train (first class
) with all my bike gear on and my tank bag... doing some work and stuff on my notebook (tiny laptop) I will arrive in Bristol early afternoon. (obviously won't mention details in case one of my stalkers are reading this ) one of my bessie mates... will collect me in his car (that I managed to negotiate a 3 grand reduction on when he bought it) and he will ferry me to the bike... I will view it.. and hopefully purchase it. My mate and I will return to his house and play catch up and have some dinner and go to sleep. I will then return by train the next morning and climb aboard and begin my epic return journey with tank bag, patience and pure pleasure.
I just gotta work out the bikes name.
for all of your advice.
Sex God
Quote by splendid_
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I just gotta work out the bikes name.
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Easy... Peter or PITA (Pain In The ARSE!!) :lol2: :lol2:
Good luck :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by splendid_
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I just gotta work out the bikes name.
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Easy... Peter or PITA (Pain In The ARSE!!) :lol2: :lol2:
Good luck :thumbup:
Tallulah.
:doh:
And where was my pictures. *humph*
The only way you can legally drive a vehicle without a valid tax disc is when driving to and from a pre booked MOT inspection.
Also lack of a road fund licence does not give an insurer adequate reasons to void a policy, unless the reason that the tax had not been renewed is because the vehicle didn't have a valid test cert and/or was unroadworthy.
Glad to see you have it sorted :thumbup:
Also lack of a road fund licence does not give an insurer adequate reasons to void a policy, unless the reason that the tax had not been renewed is because the vehicle didn't have a valid test cert and/or was unroadworthy.
Glad to see you have it sorted :thumbup:
Quote by sexoholics
The only way you can legally drive a vehicle without a valid tax disc is when driving to and from a pre booked MOT inspection.
Also lack of a road fund licence does not give an insurer adequate reasons to void a policy, unless the reason that the tax had not been renewed is because the vehicle didn't have a valid test cert and/or was unroadworthy.
Glad to see you have it sorted :thumbup:
That is good to know....
and thankyou.
