Jesus!.... You people are going round in circles saying the same things over and over and over. I tried to inject a bit of humour in here - and this forum is reknowned for it's light hearted banter - but you just wanna head straight back to it and start all over again. Give it a rest!
The chat room has been running for two days now with the verication and it has not detracted from it one bloody iota - I know, I'm there every single day for most of the day and if anything what I've seen is that the forum users who rarely use the chat room have been logging on in droves to nosey about in there, trying to justify their arguments I can only presume!
It's working! There has been a bit of banter but all in good harmless fun!
Several people are actively looking for ways to address some of the issues: Sexysteph - in consultation with some of the OPs who know how to use mIRC a little better than most - have found a way for people to devoice themselves if they are not happy with it - a Java solution is required to enable this also.
The bottom line is that NO-ONE is gonna email the admin and say 'hey, we/i fucked so and so last night - he/she took it up the ass, allowed me to cum on her/his face etc...'
NO-ONE is gonna send an email to that effect and if they do then u have to question your own selves for getting involved with such a person in the first place.
I've already verified someone - because that person ASKED me to, and all that was put in the email was: 'I swung with so and so and can verify that that person is who she/he says she/he is' - thats all that is required.
You people seem paranoid that your sex lives are going to be held on some database somewhere for future use - it isn't! And even if it is - ur swingers ffs - in THIS community word spreads like wildfire whether we like it or not, its a simple fact of life and if someone can't handle that then maybe swinging isn't for them!
Im sorry for sounding harsh, but it seems that so much has been said in this thread and not much has been listened to.
Wishmaster ... aka ... sex maniac swinger type class 4
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You people seem paranoid that your sex lives are going to be held on some database somewhere for future use - it isn't!
Yes it is.... that is what the + sign stands for!!!!!
And Calista, your post is fine!
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Oh dear, JudyTV to 2D TV........Woooooooooooooo I hardly see why my Transgender (TV) has any relevance here. I didn't think my Transvestism or how I sign my gender was an issue on a tolerant and accepting site such as this. This is new ground indeed.
Judy ......dissapointed.
I could be wrong, but it looks to me like the '2D' was the point being made - not the TV.
The Transgender issue has no relevance - it was the lack on insight that was being highlighted.
2D rhymes with Judy - and you call yourself Judy TV
I think it was a play on words...
Dxxx
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I'm confused Neil - i thought you left because of the arguing, but you've come back to join in the arguing:
Being a free fair and open forum that is his choice, as is yours too. No one has the right to deny him that or to condemn him for his return or his input.
personally I say welcome back and post away..... to all.
Judy
Thats a little harsh Judy, to be fair, i was just saying that i am confused - perhaps i misunderstood Neils orignal reasons, or have been too hasty in making my opinion? I absolutely was not condeming or denying Neil anything (as i'm sure he knows!) Usually you are so perceptive on the forum i hope its not a change from Judy TV to 2D TV.
Oh dear, JudyTV to 2D TV........Woooooooooooooo I hardly see why my Transgender (TV) has any relevance here. I didn't think my Transvestism or how I sign my gender was an issue on a tolerant and accepting site such as this. This is new ground indeed.
Judy ......dissapointed.
Oh for fucks sake. I wasn't being offensive, it was a play on words which has obviously been misconstrued.
That someone could think i would pass judgement on ANYONES sexuality (particuarly as a member of a Swinging forum and organiser of very liberal parties) is equally dissapointing and all together too ridiculous.... and if the smiley/winky emoticon didn't show the friendly intend it seems nothing will. I give up.
Quote by JudyTV
I could be wrong, but it looks to me like the '2D' was the point being made - not the TV.
The Transgender issue has no relevance - it was the lack on insight that was being highlighted.
2D rhymes with Judy - and you call yourself Judy TV
I think it was a play on words...
Dxxx
Is this you speaking for someone else or are you assuming?
Hi Judy
That was my assumption based on what I read.
I am much too opinionated to speak for anyone else...!!!!
Dxxx
Sex God
Quote by Wishmaster
Give it a rest!
You people seem paranoid that your sex lives are going to be held on some database somewhere for future use - it isn't! And even if it is - ur swingers ffs - in THIS community word spreads like wildfire whether we like it or not, its a simple fact of life and if someone can't handle that then maybe swinging isn't for them!
Wishmaster ... aka ... sex maniac swinger type class 4
with all due respect, no I won't give it a rest.
Calista pointed out quite rightly that people from the chatroom come here to have their say about something they use very little so why are the main forum users denied the same right. Again double standards.
I enjoy swinging, but who I am meeting on my days off and who I shag at any given moment in time is no-ones business but ours. When will that sink in? We are going around in cirlces here because it is a subject a lot of people feel has been put upon them without consultation. I feel that is the issues here, the assumptions people make about others.
I have been on the end of rife gossip as I held one of the worst kept secrets on SH for a while. Do I feel the need to explain what happened? NO! And should I be required to tell people? NOOO!
So now I can choose when I'm feeling genuine and when I feel like being a bit of a time waster with a touch of a button?
And what is this about? are you trying to silence the non-regulars in the cahtroom if you don't like what they have to say???
Is that what all this is about?
Another few points to consider:
Those people that are already verified have no problem with it or they can ask to have their verification status removed - as some have already. This won't happen in the future because the verification process is now running and new verifyees will only get their verified status after due process. So those that obtain it from this point on have actively asked for it!
Those that aren't verified and swing with people who are verified can ask the verified person to verify them - IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT - it's THEIR choice!
If they don't want to be verified they simply say nothing at all! The email has to come from the verified person and that can only happen if the non verified person requests it!
Wishmaster.
Those people that are already verified have no problem with it or they can ask to have their verification status removed - as some have already. This won't happen in the future because the verification process is now running and new verifyees will only get their verified status after due process. So those that obtain it from this point on have actively asked for it!
Those that aren't verified and swing with people who are verified can ask the verified person to verify them - IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT - it's THEIR choice!
If they don't want to be verified they simply say nothing at all! The email has to come from the verified person and that can only happen if the non verified person requests it!
Wishmaster.
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And what is this about Voice commands? are you trying to silence the non-regulars in the cahtroom if you don't like what they have to say???
Is that what all this is about?
Gem,
To clear up a point .. the voice and + are one and the same thing ... mirc (chat programme) users are familiar with it being called voicing .. it generally means that you are known to the room .. it's doesn't give you extra priveleges per se.
the voice or + is being used here as a symbol of sexual activity rather than genuineness. I don't think anyone is trying to silence non regulars by not allowing them to chat .... (although I agree that it is coming across that their opinion isn't wanted).
Sex God
Thanks Calista.
Wishmaster,
The person who verifies you doen't have to ask your permission to send that email about you so in fact you can be "plussed up" without having to give anyone permission.
Wishmaster,
The person who verifies you doen't have to ask your permission to send that email about you so in fact you can be "plussed up" without having to give anyone permission.
Quote by little gem
And what is this about Voice commands? are you trying to silence the non-regulars in the cahtroom if you don't like what they have to say???
Is that what all this is about?
The Devoice command is an IRC standard that has appeared in numerous chat rooms. It is not designed to remove someone's voice, ie, supress them it is a tool by which someone can de-select their status if they wish to.
The other thing about the chat room is that it moves so fast that one simply cannot have an in depth conversation unless they take it private and then no-one can 'silence' them.
Wishmaster
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This won't happen in the future because the verification process is now running and new verifyees will only get their verified status after due process. So those that obtain it from this point on have actively asked for it!
Well that's a step in the right direction at any rate. Any idea when the scheme's info page at http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/chatroom/swinger-list.html will be updated to reflect this change in policy? How exactly will it happen - is it that the ops pvt with a sugested new verified user to ensure they want to be verified?
Hello all, it would appear to me that perhaps the thread has wandered slightly?
As a relatively new member to swinging heaven and the forum, I personally welcome verification. I have used other chat rooms over the years as both user, and channel OP who, have a similar system. I believe it really helps to “weed out†the cyber wank—s, pic hunters and time wasters. It also helps greatly to curb potential cyber disagreements and flaming between both verified, and none verified chat room users, making for a much more pleasant “virtual†atmosphere in the room.
In our case I believe verification will be difficult because we are (at the moment) “soft swingersâ€, and whist we attend Chameleons, and Xtasia, there are very few people if at all any in the chat room, who know us personally.
I do not suggest that the rules of verification should be changed at all to accommodate either us, or other cpl’s who may be in a similar situation, but would suggest that efforts are made to discourage the + in front of the channel nick becoming an elitist symbol, that could potentially advance, what to many newcomers perceive due the very intimate nature of activities as a “cliqueâ€.
Just my thoughts on the subject
Alex,
As a relatively new member to swinging heaven and the forum, I personally welcome verification. I have used other chat rooms over the years as both user, and channel OP who, have a similar system. I believe it really helps to “weed out†the cyber wank—s, pic hunters and time wasters. It also helps greatly to curb potential cyber disagreements and flaming between both verified, and none verified chat room users, making for a much more pleasant “virtual†atmosphere in the room.
In our case I believe verification will be difficult because we are (at the moment) “soft swingersâ€, and whist we attend Chameleons, and Xtasia, there are very few people if at all any in the chat room, who know us personally.
I do not suggest that the rules of verification should be changed at all to accommodate either us, or other cpl’s who may be in a similar situation, but would suggest that efforts are made to discourage the + in front of the channel nick becoming an elitist symbol, that could potentially advance, what to many newcomers perceive due the very intimate nature of activities as a “cliqueâ€.
Just my thoughts on the subject
Alex,
Quote by JudyTV
I could be wrong, but it looks to me like the '2D' was the point being made - not the TV.
The Transgender issue has no relevance - it was the lack on insight that was being highlighted.
2D rhymes with Judy - and you call yourself Judy TV
I think it was a play on words...
Dxxx
Is this you speaking for someone else or are you assuming?
Hi Judy
That was my assumption based on what I read.
I am much too opinionated to speak for anyone else...!!!!
Dxxx
Apparently you just did.
Judy...... Just my oppinion.
Judy
Not sure I get you....
You ask me a question - which I answer it in good faith.
Then you show me that you had already made up you mind about the question you asked me.
Maybe you arent quite the openminded individual you profess to be...??
Just my opinion.
Dxxx
Sex God
Quote by Wishmaster
And what is this about Voice commands? are you trying to silence the non-regulars in the cahtroom if you don't like what they have to say???
Is that what all this is about?
The Devoice command is an IRC standard that has appeared in numerous chat rooms. It is not designed to remove someone's voice, ie, supress them it is a tool by which someone can de-select their status if they wish to.
The other thing about the chat room is that it moves so fast that one simply cannot have an in depth conversation unless they take it private and then no-one can 'silence' them.
Wishmaster
Thanks Wishmaster
I tend to go in late at night when there no often few ops there and wondered what all these new commands and buttons were about.
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Thanks Calista.
Wishmaster,
The person who verifies you doen't have to ask your permission to send that email about you so in fact you can be "plussed up" without having to give anyone permission.
you are very wrong there........... the email HAS to come from the verified person AT THE REQUEST of the person wishing to be verified. If an email is sent by someone who is verified without being asked to do so then he or she is risking their own status for doing so. I had to take advice from another person who had verfied someone as to the correct procedure and that is what I was told. If that part is unclear in the supporting documents then I will gladly email the admin and ask them to amend it on behalf of everyone who uses this website.
Wishmaster.
Sex God
Yes that part is very unlcear.
Thankyou. x
Thankyou. x
Sex God
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Jesus!.... You people...
...some of the OPs who know how to use mIRC a little better than most - have found a way for people to devoice themselves if they are not happy with it - a Java solution is required to enable this also.
You know you're about to get a load of self-righteousness when the words "you people" pop up.
As for how to turn it off, I've already posted the relevant chanserv command in this thread. http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewpost/228918.html#228918
Three weeks from now "they" will give you the same command and tell you it's a nifty piece of database programming they've done.
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Please forgive me but I don't know how to add the little white quote boxes yet.
But Wishmaster and Mr_discreet Please look at my words. I actually said single males DO have a place in swinging and I agree entirely with what you have said Wishmaster. and I used the imprtant word 'if' this is the intention....Ok so you don't mind being granted a + Wishmaster and as you iknow you and I have had some pretty funny interchanges in the room. So I understand you views well enough but dishoing out + signs has upset people. My concern (and it is genuine Mr_discreet and it is not mud slinging as I loved the chatroom atmosphere) is just as I have stated previously.
At least you tried to answer the key questions Mr_discreet and I thank you for that but at the end of the day the system is about proving you shagged someone (no not an Op I know that) who has already been verified and then all can see that. Sorry I do my playing privately and with discretion.
I am a genuine guy and people who chat with me and eventually meet me know this. Its up to ME to prove myself to THEM and its up to ME to maintain my integrity. It is up to OTHERS to make up their minds if I am someone they wish to meet up with and that is where the chatroom works. It is a first contact place for people to make those judgements. It is no more than that and should not be seen as more than that. As I said many times to new people coming in the chatroom treat it like an E-Pub and mingle. Oh and mine's a Pint!
You two, Wishmaster and Mr_Discreet, have made yourselves known as really nice genuine guys and from posts in the room I guess you have met your share of contacts. So the room works for you and you (and I for that matter) didn't need a shagbadge to play in the 'scene' so why do we need it now? We three have had some great and often funny excahnges in the room so I am a little disappointed you feel my motives are not well intended. I accept yours are so please accept mine are OK?
Chris
Thanks Chris, and yes, we have had some great exchanges in there. I will never attack anyone because of who or what they are. I believe that intelligent people should be able to discuss issues and still be friends afterwards regardl;ess of which side of the argument they happen to be on.
I have a great deal of repsect and time for you and my comments on this thread are simply to try to make sense of the misconceptions that some people have had regarding the implementation of verification.
I whole-heartedly agree that the first tranche of "plussed up" people was fudged. But only in as much as - and I can only speak for myself here as I was one of them - I was not emailed to ask if I wanted it, I would have said Yes anyway. Some people have rejected it for their own reasons and the plus sign has been removed from their nick.
From now, a + status will only be granted to people who REQUEST IT as is their right to do so if they wish. This is the system working as it had to after the first release of "plussed up" people was established. If you go into the chat room now you will + against the nick's of those that want it there and and no others.
Wishmaster
Quote by Ice Pie
Jesus!.... You people...
...some of the OPs who know how to use mIRC a little better than most - have found a way for people to devoice themselves if they are not happy with it - a Java solution is required to enable this also.
You know you're about to get a load of self-righteousness when the words "you people" pop up.
As for how to turn it off, I've already posted the relevant chanserv command in this thread. http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewpost/228918.html#228918
Three weeks from now "they" will give you the same command and tell you it's a nifty piece of database programming they've done.
My aplogies IcePie and to all others I offended by the use of those two words..... self-righteousness is not one of my nromal traits but I was exasperated by what I had read so far. Point noted and listened to.
Quote by Ice Pie
Three weeks from now "they" will give you the same command and tell you it's a nifty piece of database programming they've done.
All mIRC commands are available online, as well as a new users guide, downloads and other helpful info. Try this site for starters -
Personally I cannot see why people use Java - it is so limited in function, but you have to start somewhere. With mIRC you get a full screen so the world does not flash by so quickly - you can scroll all the way back to when you entered a room in case you missed anything, use 'pop-ups' and 'slaps' to add a bit of fun.............
If you are up for a change, download mIRC and give it a bash
mIRC is so much better, even in the basic version, without using add ons or full blown scripts - all you loose is the emoticon pictures.
Sex God
Quote by Wishmaster
My aplogies IcePie and to all others I offended by the use of those two words..... self-righteousness is not one of my nromal traits but I was exasperated by what I had read so far. Point noted and listened to.
Thank you, Sir. No offence taken
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Judy
Not sure I get you....
You ask me a question - which I answer it in good faith.
Then you show me that you had already made up you mind about the question you asked me.
Maybe you arent quite the openminded individual you profess to be...??
Just my opinion.
Dxxx
You are entitled to your opinion on how open minded I am. others, in fact many others have their own opinions too.
In this case you are however quite right, I had already made up my mind. It was a Rhetorical question as I am sure most people would have been aware of,however you were just trying to be smart and as in the past it doesn't impress me. If you feel the need to write on behalf of others then I have no further desire to respond, you may well feel a need to respond and have the last word here, I do not.
......just my opinion. In this particular case yours is of no importance to me nor is whether how open minded you think I am or not, I refuse to walk on glass for you.
Judy
Judy
You had already made up your mind - so you were just being abit nasty with your rhetoric - guess I'll know better next time.
I was just being honest with you about my opinion - which I thought you were asking for - only to then be told that my opinion is of no importance to you.
Guess thats just a different type of openmindedness - and one I am not familiar with.
But in a tolerant and open forum such as this you are more than entitled to your opinion.
And for the record (not that you will care as you have clearly made up your mind) I was not answering for anyone else.
The 'anyone' in question is more than capable of answering for herself.
Take care Judy
Dxxx
Sex God
Quote by Sexysteph
My apologies here Ice I know you had already suggested the syntax command for devoicing (or removal of the +) in an earlier part of the thread. What Wishmanster is referring to is that being aware of the capabilities of MIrc I and one of the ops tested out using the menu system as it is easier for lot of people who are not comfortable with mirc other than just as a means of chat.
Using this method only removes it for the duration you are in the room and it will return when you rejoin the room..
Yes, it is, as I said in the post I linked to, only temporary, and can't be done by anyone who is not on the database but has been actively voiced by a channel op. Channel ops can actively voice a user for that session, but can't edit the database to auto-voice them, a higher access level is required for that. A Java user who is not on the database but has been actively voiced by an op cannot devoice themselves except by leaving and re-entering the room.
My post also included the mIRC solution you mention.
Maybe they should take the + off everyone and start it again. once people fully understand everything about it.. now that it's been seen to have a few basic fundamental flaws...
Can't see that a few days or weeks would make much difference to the amount of non genuine peeps coming in.. esp' as the R is off most days and that allows anyone to enter the room.
As the majority of peeps defending this + scheme are actually in the room as + it's never going to go away.
I'm just glad that the Forum allows people to air their views ( yes I do use the room ) without being punished for not agreeing with everything that happens..
Long live SH...
.xX Joanne Xx.
Can't see that a few days or weeks would make much difference to the amount of non genuine peeps coming in.. esp' as the R is off most days and that allows anyone to enter the room.
As the majority of peeps defending this + scheme are actually in the room as + it's never going to go away.
I'm just glad that the Forum allows people to air their views ( yes I do use the room ) without being punished for not agreeing with everything that happens..
Long live SH...
.xX Joanne Xx.
Sex God
Not telling! ;)
those who needed to know, knew all about it
those who needed to know, knew all about it
Sex God
Quote by xxdevil69
there was gossip?!?! About Gem?!?!? How come I never got told!!!!! :shock:
Cos you're not verified! :haha:
