hmmmm dunno, can't think of anyone (non-genuine of course) who wouldn't want to confirm that i wasn't shaggin em when i said i would be (possibly).
Well then as far as we can work out from the poilcy that conforms in so far as it has to confirm that when you want to be known as unknown you can opt out of opting in to the system providing you have been passed and certified as being someone who doesnt exist in the reality of anyone elses fantasies.
And I still can't get in the fecking Chatroom!! :taz: :taz: :taz: :taz: :taz: :taz:
we think that ..although some ppl may b a bit sceptical at 1st ...
on the whole of it ...surely ppl must feel better and safer chating 2 some 1 that is verified
and gen....when sending pics ..tel numbers..and other things....
especially if those ppl r new them selves......
also
you may not get on .....if you do meet up ...but at least you know that the ppl r gen ...
and not just some one messing around ....obviously.....you will still get ppl messing ..but at least you have a better chance ....with ppl that you know r gen +
this must b a good thing in the long run.....
we do nigel anne...
Can anyone lend me an english-textese dictionary ?
It's a trial period.
There are bound to be a lot of fors and againsts and no doubt this is the period when people are going to have the most vociferous opinions.
One 'surefire' way of making sure the trial fails is for everyone that has been verified to ask the list administrator to take their names off the list. If nobody wants the verified status then it's obviously not going to be worth doing. As it stands though the list is growing.
Steve
Hasn't one of the key parts of it failed already, if the 'anonymous' verifiers can be seen to be verifying by anyone who is running mirc? I'm not so can't see but it has been pointed out earlier in this thread. If that's right, then anyone running mirc will know exactly to whom they should appeal for verified status. The chat room ops will then be unable to moderate the room as effectively as they have up to now, because they will be fending off requests for verification. At the very least, it will soon become very clear to other chatters (non mirc), who the verifiers are.
The chatroom ops add the +V to users names, from a list supplied by the list admin............ The admin does not/ cannot add the status to a user as he/she/they do not have chatroom Op status.
i also think that newcomers to the chat room and indeed to swinging, might be put off by the verified people, seeing them as 'hardened' swingers. Maybe the verification process will work against those verified as much as it could work for them?
Maybe it will fail if people opt not to accept verified status, but surely people have the right to choose not to accept it, or to be deemed verified and a 'genuine player' by someone they may not even know (therefore they have been discussed)?
I can't help but think there will be a point at which this discussion will loop back to the beginning and, in so doing, will distort the fabric of space and time so much that everyone in existence will spontaniously turn to strawberry jelly and, what with all the heat of the excitement, melt. In fact I suspect this may have already happened.
thats funny Angel hun..
Cos I kinda thought I'd be a cert for an automatic +
Spend an average of 5 to 12 hours in the room a day
Been an op
Played with ops
Played with moderators
Been to SH parties
Been to Munches and played at clubs after the Munches with SH members.
And guess what... yup I'm not.
As it happens i dont wish to have the + so it saves me an email. After sitting in the room and watching I've come to the conclusion that it may not be right. I'm real worried that this is going to make new swingers feel alienated... It must be a nightmare to be genuinly interested in the whole volume of chapters that involve swinging and to go thru the process of registering walking into a fast paced and sometimes hard hard room to be automatically "unbranded" as a non "genuine" member. In my opinion SH is mainly here to help ALL swingers and give them a home where they can belong and feel part of a community and hopefully enlighten their lives.... making new people into immigrants until they get a + passport is discrimination and i think its a hard hammer to use to try and weadle out the non-swingers. In my experience as a helper we lose more genuine swingers in the chatroom due to the way they feel left out of the "clique" . The most common remark from new people is " how do i get to be part of this?" The long term chatholics in the room can spot " genuine " peeps a mile off and it's encouraging when they take time out to gather them in and make em feel welcome. If this + stops just one couple from venturing into our world we've paid a heavy heavy price. Just my opinion ...
.xX Joanne Xx.
If your name fits within the Clique you gat a Plus is the way I see it.
Then I am always wrong
Medic1
mmmmmmmmmmm this reminds me of the masons :shock
secret hand shakes and if you aint in the "in" crowed piss off :shock:
and no i dont care if you dont like my opinion cause im an ADULT:
It seems to me that any new system needs a 'bedding in' period to test the practicality of the theory. If it proves unworkable or divisive then guess what - we dump it! Simple really... I'm positive that the owners of SH do not want to be seen as totalitarian master-controllers, bullies or even plain nosy as to our sexual acitivities but as owners of the site they identified a problem and are attempting to find a solution for it.
I can't speak for newbies who enter SH and find a system in place that they may or may not understand and how they will react to it as I'm not a newbie but the point here is that the system they find in place will be the only system they know of in SH and they will accept it more easily than those who have been here a while and know how the site used to operate. They will also know, once they have fully understood what the + means, is that there are people in the chat room that they can turn to for advice and assistance if needed. I don't believe for a second that people without a + will seek out those with a + just to get a +. We are human beings with emotions and physical attractions, not just a name with or without a +, and if someone doesn't 'push my button' so to speak then I for one ain't gonna shag them regardless of whether they want a + or not and likewise if I don't appeal to them sexually they are not gonna shag me to get one either.
On of the basic problems in the chat room was newbies pm'ing uninvited - and yes it was mainly a males pm'ing females problem, but........some newbies need information and guidance to help them use the features of this site - we do not all have the same intelligence levels and some grasp things more quickly than others so a little patience is required here as new swingers are the lifeblood of this community.
Now I'm not an OP in the chat room but if someone pm's me uninvited I will not seek to have them booted if their pm is GENUINELY about swinging and how to get involved in OUR COMMUNITY. Three important words there: GENUINELY and OUR COMMUNITY.
From my understanding of it, the verification system was developed to establish GENUINE people from time wasters, teenage assholes let loose on Dad's PC for an hour or two and single males coming in from pubs n clubs on a Saturday night/Sunday morning looking for an easy fuck and getting alcohol-induced abusive when a shag was not forthcoming.
If this system helps GENUINE new people to swinging become accepted by the regulars then it is a good system. If it creates elitists then those people need to be told that they are not elite in any way, shape or form ... the system will work if the people using it don't become what they are trying to avoid.
It must also be accepted that some people do not want a + against their names for whatever reasons they might have - and they shouldn't have to explain why either - and in such cases the system provides for people genuinely concerned about having a + tacked on to their nickname. All they have to do is email the Admininistrators and ask to be excluded from the system.
When we joined SH we were all sent a welcome email. This email should now include a link to a page on the website where the verification system and the other established rules are read (or at least viewed - as you cannot force people to read something).
On this web page there should also be a checkbox whereby clicking it they have stated that they have read and understood the rules. Only then should their account/s be activated.
The purpose of this?
They will only be able to get into the site if they have been through this process and they know of the rules by which we operate. They will understand about the chat room, the forum and the personal ads. They may still seek one-to-one assistance from established regulars but they will at least know the rudimentary rules of the site.
It's not a bad system - just give it time. I'm sure any hiccups can be sorted over time. Remember, every new baby needs burping from time to time.
Wishmaster.
Hmm, a few points to throw into the debate:
Firstly, why do people assume that newbies will be ignored by verified people? Surely verified people are more likely (and more able) to welcome genuine newbies into the fold than randomly chosen chatroom users? My exeperience of people likely to have a + is that they are always ready to welcome the genuine newbies who read the rules and want to join in.
Secondly, the verification system isn't complete yet, many people who probably qualify haven't got their + yet (me for example) so it's a bit unfair to judge the effects of the sytem before it's all in place.
Thirdly, the system does still serve it's purpose of directing newbies to genuine people even if a large number of eligible people opt out - in fact I suspect that having a large number of opt-outs will actually help the system, since it will mean a lot of the conversation in the channel will be between + and non + people, rather than the cliquey + only room that some are imagining.