Sex God
Don't you think that it's the same as verifying that they're genuine though?
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Vouching/verification
As per Deans comments. Vouching goes on at a verbal level where meets etc are going on. It also occurs in pms and any other means where active participants have a requirement to know.
A generic list of offenders is unworkable anyway as it would quickly fill up with many unrecognisable people and become irrelevant.
A generic list of offenders is unworkable anyway as it would quickly fill up with many unrecognisable people and become irrelevant.
Sex God
I think it's more likely to be done by PM (and is often done on thread) than verbally. I know I've received PMs from people asking if I would vouch for/verify someone, or if I would vouch for/verify them to someone else.
Orgasminator
Vouching for someone is all well & good as the person doing the vouching might think there a bloody good laugh & fun people but what if another member then says there a pair of miserable buggers??? because not everyone is everyones cup of tea .
Quote by sword-stileto
Vouching for someone is all well & good as the person doing the vouching might think there a bloody good laugh & fun people but what if another member then says there a pair of miserable buggers??? because not everyone is everyones cup of tea .
to be hobnest good fun or miseerable is not what i would be asking.....all i as an organiser I would want to know is are they genuine !!
:roll:I wish to be honest that there was some kind of validation, that the persons owning the profile can approve or decline before its seen.. something along the lines of
" I can validate that this profile is real and that furby hug is........" and then they fill in the rest.... and any bad nasty ones.. would get deleted..... it would make me feel better to know that the person im meeting is who they say they are in there profile....... and then i could always chat witht the valadeeees to make sure there isnt anything dodggy about the person......
but thats my two pence......xx
furby xxxxxxx
(who is real.. and her profiel is real.. and im not a hairy trucker!!!!)
" I can validate that this profile is real and that furby hug is........" and then they fill in the rest.... and any bad nasty ones.. would get deleted..... it would make me feel better to know that the person im meeting is who they say they are in there profile....... and then i could always chat witht the valadeeees to make sure there isnt anything dodggy about the person......
but thats my two pence......xx
furby xxxxxxx
(who is real.. and her profiel is real.. and im not a hairy trucker!!!!)
Quote by FurbyHug
I wish to be honest that there was some kind of validation, that the persons owning the profile can approve or decline before its seen.. something along the lines of
" I can validate that this profile is real and that furby hug is........" and then they fill in the rest.... and any bad nasty ones.. would get deleted..... it would make me feel better to know that the person im meeting is who they say they are in there profile....... and then i could always chat witht the valadeeees to make sure there isnt anything dodggy about the person......
but thats my two pence......xx
furby xxxxxxx
(who is real.. and her profiel is real.. and im not a hairy trucker!!!!)
Would it have to be signed by a Magistrate or other pillar of society as in the case of a passport photo?
ffs, one man's meat is another man's gravy. You can only take as YOU find and not rely at all on others "recommendations".
Surely the only guarantee you can have is that if someone is listed as banned, they could be a bad apple and they are best out of it.
Sex God
Quote by GnV
I wish to be honest that there was some kind of validation, that the persons owning the profile can approve or decline before its seen.. something along the lines of
" I can validate that this profile is real and that furby hug is........" and then they fill in the rest.... and any bad nasty ones.. would get deleted..... it would make me feel better to know that the person im meeting is who they say they are in there profile....... and then i could always chat witht the valadeeees to make sure there isnt anything dodggy about the person......
Surely the only guarantee you can have is that if someone is listed as banned, they could be a bad apple and they are best out of it.
Furby, why should the negative ones get deleted? Then it would be a pointless exercise anyway if everyone had positive things said about them.
GnV - I agree, yes - up to a point. The fact that someone is banned is definite in that they wouldn't be able to attend a munch. However, that doesn't mean they can't attend socials - the organiser just has to make sure all attendees are aware that a banned member may be present. I've seen banned members at a munch before the fact that people get banned for all kinds of reasons - it doesn't necessarily indicate that they are a bad person.
Mike, thanks for that link. Some very good points made in that thread. The one that seemed quite pertinent to this thread is Medic's - the definitions of vouching and verifying. They seem pretty similar to me.
Sex God
Quote by MikeNorth
This old thread makes an interesting comparison I think.
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/48838.html
- and Dunky made the same joke.
Trust you to resurrect another thread killed by 'Threadkiller Choon'!! (Mind you - those were the days when I used to talk some sense in amongst the Bollox - aaah happy days! :roll:
But that's not the 'Verification' thread is it? :twisted:
Quote by FurbyHug
I wish to be honest that there was some kind of validation, that the persons owning the profile can approve or decline before its seen.. something along the lines of
" I can validate that this profile is real and that furby hug is........" and then they fill in the rest.... and any bad nasty ones.. would get deleted..... it would make me feel better to know that the person im meeting is who they say they are in there profile....... and then i could always chat witht the valadeeees to make sure there isnt anything dodggy about the person......
but thats my two pence......xx
furby xxxxxxx
(who is real.. and her profiel is real.. and im not a hairy trucker!!!!)
If you read the 'Verification' thread, Furbes, you'd see the downside of what you suggest.
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Sex God
Quote by deancannock
Vouching for someone is all well & good as the person doing the vouching might think there a bloody good laugh & fun people but what if another member then says there a pair of miserable buggers??? because not everyone is everyones cup of tea .
to be hobnest good fun or miseerable is not what i would be asking.....all i as an organiser I would want to know is are they genuine !!
And would you ask for all people to be vouched for, or just a particular group?
From the perspective of a newbie it looks as though married/single men have a bit of a problem here.
When I worked as a lad for British Rail as an assistant train driver, the driver use to ask two questions when you climbed onto the engine......have you made a brew and have you driven over this route before? If you had brewed up you were half way there
but they would not let you take control of the engine if you said you hadn't driven over that particular route before. :cry:
You might know the route like the back of your hand (and all of the temporary restrictions) so what do you do, lie and tell him you had driven over the route or resign yourself to the fact that until some driver gave you a chance you would have to watch from the second mans chair.
At the end of the day there has to be some trust involved or no progress is made. I understand that there will be some people here, men, women, singles and couples who are not who they would like others to think they are. For this reason precautions should be taken but in the same respect there are genuine, decent, honest members (who can make a bloody good brew)who might find it difficult to get involved because of the system of being recommended/vouched for. I have been advised by a lovely lady (many thanks xx) that I should get myself noticed by posting on the forum more and joining in in the chat room. I appreciate her advice but how can anyone here tell if one person or the next is telling the truth, or is a reputation here based on volume of your posts?
This post is not intended to rock the boat , I am simply trying to better understand the people here.
Regards, Eltigre
When I worked as a lad for British Rail as an assistant train driver, the driver use to ask two questions when you climbed onto the engine......have you made a brew and have you driven over this route before? If you had brewed up you were half way there
but they would not let you take control of the engine if you said you hadn't driven over that particular route before. :cry:You might know the route like the back of your hand (and all of the temporary restrictions) so what do you do, lie and tell him you had driven over the route or resign yourself to the fact that until some driver gave you a chance you would have to watch from the second mans chair.
At the end of the day there has to be some trust involved or no progress is made. I understand that there will be some people here, men, women, singles and couples who are not who they would like others to think they are. For this reason precautions should be taken but in the same respect there are genuine, decent, honest members (who can make a bloody good brew)who might find it difficult to get involved because of the system of being recommended/vouched for. I have been advised by a lovely lady (many thanks xx) that I should get myself noticed by posting on the forum more and joining in in the chat room. I appreciate her advice but how can anyone here tell if one person or the next is telling the truth, or is a reputation here based on volume of your posts?
This post is not intended to rock the boat , I am simply trying to better understand the people here.
Regards, Eltigre
Sex God
That post shouldn't rock the boat, Eltigre. I think it illustrates the difficulty of a 'system' of vouching. I'd agree with you that single/married males have a bit of a problem (although the ones encountered by married males - and married females - are somewhat due to other factors and a whole different debate).
I'm interested in what constitutes 'vouching' and what constitutes 'verification' though. I think they amount to the same. Vouching has been done on threads and via PM so I don't think it's just a case of one being verbal and the other, written.
I'm interested in what constitutes 'vouching' and what constitutes 'verification' though. I think they amount to the same. Vouching has been done on threads and via PM so I don't think it's just a case of one being verbal and the other, written.
Quote by Freckledbird
Vouching for someone is all well & good as the person doing the vouching might think there a bloody good laugh & fun people but what if another member then says there a pair of miserable buggers??? because not everyone is everyones cup of tea .
to be hobnest good fun or miseerable is not what i would be asking.....all i as an organiser I would want to know is are they genuine !!
And would you ask for all people to be vouched for, or just a particular group?
exactly...would it be fair to just have single guys vouched for...and not single girls or couples?
Quote by Mr-Powers
exactly...would it be fair to just have single guys vouched for...and not single girls or couples?
I noticed that with a few socials. Couples and single fems go straight on the list but the poor single blokes have to be vouched for first sometimes. Whats that all about
louise xx
Sex God
Quote by Mr-Powers
exactly...would it be fair to just have single guys vouched for...and not single girls or couples?
It is the one thing I have now noticed the people are now putting the "social" tag on events around the country to limit the amount of people of a certain type going to them (most primarily single guys) which is sad....
It is like people are exploiting a loophole which it wasn't really designed for..... which is why I don't put my name down for as many events as I use to, why would I want to go to events when in effect I am made to feel like the lowest of the low...
Quote by louise_and_joe
exactly...would it be fair to just have single guys vouched for...and not single girls or couples?
I noticed that with a few socials. Couples and single fems go straight on the list but the poor single blokes have to be vouched for first sometimes. Whats that all about
louise xx
its a case of the organisers being selective,which they have that right to do,but as you know from your experience in organising socials...it not really nessessary...you do get a bad few pennies at some events...but that from all groups.
Quote by fabio
exactly...would it be fair to just have single guys vouched for...and not single girls or couples?
It is the one thing I have now noticed the people are now putting the "social" tag on events around the country to limit the amount of people of a certain type going to them (most primarily single guys) which is sad....
It is like people are exploiting a loophole which it wasn't really designed for..... which is why I don't put my name down for as many events as I use to, why would I want to go to events when in effect I am made to feel like the lowest of the low...
and what next...vouching for fat people,thin people,black people,asian people,white people...the list goes on...just to exploit that loophole!
next organisers will be asking for facial pics before getting an invite...
its a social ffs...nothing more...a meet up for likeminded people to socialise!
Sex God
Ok, having sat read and thought about all this.
Can we all please remember we were all new once, and all had to start somewhere.
Who gave you your first break, and said come along to (xx) event / get your name down for (xx) event.
As a munch or social event organise you have to take risks on who you let come to your event, if the person is brand new the chances are they will not have met anyone (and if they keep being told no, how are they going to get to meet and socilise with others off this site?) and only done a few posts / or been in the chatroom from a very short period of time, and lets face it there are so many people in the chatroom, can you remember all the names of the people you chatted to?
I remember one social I arranged, there were a total of 22 single guys (all unvouched for / unknown to me) and 2 females, and where there any problems? No, none at all, everyone behave, chatted, had plenty to other female and myself did not feel threatened by so many guys, although the talk of football and rugby did go on a bit!!
If any one causes any problems at a munch or a social, then they should be asked to alter their behave to that which is acceptable for the event, should they fail, then they should be asked to leave, and if they don’t leave, then get the landlord of the venue to throw them out.
Personally I have always gone out of my way to make sure all newbies have the chance to attend any events I arrange, (providing they are full site members before any cut off date) and as such I don’t see the need for vouching / verifying.
Can we all please remember we were all new once, and all had to start somewhere.
Who gave you your first break, and said come along to (xx) event / get your name down for (xx) event.
As a munch or social event organise you have to take risks on who you let come to your event, if the person is brand new the chances are they will not have met anyone (and if they keep being told no, how are they going to get to meet and socilise with others off this site?) and only done a few posts / or been in the chatroom from a very short period of time, and lets face it there are so many people in the chatroom, can you remember all the names of the people you chatted to?
I remember one social I arranged, there were a total of 22 single guys (all unvouched for / unknown to me) and 2 females, and where there any problems? No, none at all, everyone behave, chatted, had plenty to other female and myself did not feel threatened by so many guys, although the talk of football and rugby did go on a bit!!
If any one causes any problems at a munch or a social, then they should be asked to alter their behave to that which is acceptable for the event, should they fail, then they should be asked to leave, and if they don’t leave, then get the landlord of the venue to throw them out.
Personally I have always gone out of my way to make sure all newbies have the chance to attend any events I arrange, (providing they are full site members before any cut off date) and as such I don’t see the need for vouching / verifying.
Sex God
Quote by Sarah
Personally I have always gone out of my way to make sure all newbies have the chance to attend any events I arrange, (providing they are full site members before any cut off date) and as such I don’t see the need for vouching / verifying.
Fab post Sarah!
With regard to the last paragraph, I completely agree with you. I have only asked about someone when there was a previous issue which was brought to my attention. It was clarified and I gave that person the benefit of the doubt - they were well-behaved and popular.
Sex God
Quote by winchwench
I like single men
In fact if I ever organise a social I'm only going to let single guys come.
Oh, and me of course
Trollop!
Can I come too, please :twisted:
Quote by Mr-Powers
exactly...would it be fair to just have single guys vouched for...and not single girls or couples?
It is the one thing I have now noticed the people are now putting the "social" tag on events around the country to limit the amount of people of a certain type going to them (most primarily single guys) which is sad....
It is like people are exploiting a loophole which it wasn't really designed for..... which is why I don't put my name down for as many events as I use to, why would I want to go to events when in effect I am made to feel like the lowest of the low...
and what next...vouching for fat people,thin people,black people,asian people,white people...the list goes on...just to exploit that loophole!
next organisers will be asking for facial pics before getting an invite...
its a social ffs...nothing more...a meet up for likeminded people to socialise!
Precisely!! You probably have to go through less to get on the list for the MP's Xmas ball!
i think its sad to see socials going this way and think that the rules and good practices should be pointed out to some organisers by the mods....all i can see is these social threads running with people randomly being added or verified, no lists, no joining cut off dates and lots of discrimination...its not how it should be
Sex God
Quote by sexkittenhfx
i think its sad to see socials going this way and think that the rules and good practices should be pointed out to some organisers by the mods....all i can see is these social threads running with people randomly being added or verified, no lists, no joining cut off dates and lots of discrimination...its not how it should be
......and funny enough that is exactly same point I was making to a person I was talking to last night (when we were all offline):thumbup:
I mean...just as an example, when I first started the only difference between a munch and a social was just the size of the event (remember the term "mini munch".... haven't heard that phrase in best part of 2 years! but we all knew exactly what it meant)
The problem now is that we all know what a "munch" is now by definition... but now I have no idea of what a "social" is anymore, because people have taken it is a direction that I don't recognise at all, or are adding their own spin on it to suit there own designs.....for example the sudden vouching of single men.... the limits being placed on certain types of people going to an event, ect......
maybe there should be a new thread called "when is a social not a social" I don't know... but where I was going round the country every weekend having a blast, I am avoiding events now because I feel I am being made to feel like a 2nd class for having the audacity to think about attending......
I am making my own personal stand.. I am not going to events where are limits on type of people going.. or where I have to be "vouched" for...even if it is on my own doorstep, so it will probably be just munches and the odd social for me in future, I know it won't mean a lot to people, but at least I stand by my own convictions.......
sean
