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Just to go back to what Sarah said, if every person has to be vouched/verified, we'll never meet anyone new. It's a vicious circle - to get to attend you need to have met someone (to vouch for you) but nobody wants to meet you because you've never been to a social or whatever. That person you turn down for a social, might be the playmate you've been waiting for!
With regard to only inviting people you know/someone else knows, all the time, it would become very insular and - well, boring I suppose.
I can understand people wanting to make sure that people are OK if they are inviting them to their own home, but when it's a social meet in a public place I just don't see the need for anyone to be checked out really, other than if a pertinent issue is highlighted by mods or someone else. For munches and some of the socials, the criteria for attendance are usually clear enough anyway with regard to length of membership or how much you contribute to forum/chat.
We have to give people a chance to show that they can behave and that they are who they say they are. You've got to have a bit of faith sometimes. If they prove to be unreliable or misbehave, then there are systems in place to deal with that. If they don't show without letting organisers know, the organisers let mods know and it's noted (I think). If I'd organised something and the same person/couple were no-shows without explanationmore than once, they wouldn't get an invitation to anything else I organised. If it's bad enough, they get warned or ultimately, banned.
Quote by fabio
I am not going to events where are limits on type of people going.. or where I have to be "vouched" for...even if it is on my own doorstep

Seems perfectly reasonable to me
It's always the single guy, thats singled out, and it seems to be more accepted as times go on
I too, if thinking of putting my name down for a social, and read that I am to be verified, or vouched for, then I won't go, I go to work to earn the money that allows me my weekends away, the cost of travel and accomodation is expensive enough as it is, not to mention the time travelling, sitting in traffic etc for the ones that are further away but, then go through all that, just to feel like you are being looked down on, and therefore not enjoy the time there isn't worth thinking about
And it seems that absolutely anyone can 'organise' a social, and don't have to be verified, with the same criteria that us single males are sometimes subjected to
Not everyone singles out single males for vouching though.
Maybe someone should organise a singles party.
H.x
Quote by Freckledbird
Not everyone singles out single males for vouching though.

I agree, and apologise for making it sound like it's only single males that are targetted, but SM's are the most likely
We currently have rules governing how Munches are run and organised on here. Where people wish to organise a social event, we allow you to do your own thing, which is correct. Why should we dictate how you want to enjoy yourselves? However, due to recent circumstances, we have decided that certain conditions will apply to social events and parties publicised through Swinging Heaven. These are as follows:
1. The event is the responsibility of the organiser and a list of attendees is to be made available if requested.
2. If you know that banned people are attending you should state that this is the case as soon as known in the opening post.
Swinging Heaven is run for the good and benefit of its members, not anyone else. Wherever possible we endeavour to ensure that when you go to either a Munch or a Social, you can go knowing you will feel safe in the company of those attending
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according to this statment,organiser's of a social have the right to ask for what they want, as long as they abide by these two rules
and rightly so......if you don't like it don't go
you have the right to comment on the way the social is being organised,but why give a negative comment?
if people ask for someone to be 'vouched' for or 'verified' they have that right
fil
Quote by lilnfil
according to this statment,organiser's of a social have the right to ask for what they want, as long as they abide by these two rules
and rightly so......if you don't like it don't go
you have the right to comment on the way the social is being organised,but why give a negative comment?
if people ask for someone to be 'vouched' for or 'verified' they have that right
fil

This was posted on one social's first page:
Mods Edit - Please Note - NO MEMBERS, males, females or couples ever need to be verified by anyone to attend a social. Invites are purely at the descretion of the organisers and are not subject to any Swinging Heaven Rules.
As you said, 'if you don't like it, don't go'. Some are reacting/will react in just that way - Fabio and Essex have already stated that. Why should they be checked out for a social when all their (couple and single female) friends didn't have to be?
I asked what is the difference between vouching and verifying. That's still my question, even though the thread has got sidetracked (not complaining about that). It's not so much about whether vouching/verification should happen.
is vouching more verbal and not publicly displayed as where verification is more writen for everyone to see.
I can see the plus and negatives for verification/feedback.
Mods Edit - Please Note - NO MEMBERS, males, females or couples ever need to be verified by anyone to attend a social. Invites are purely at the descretion of the organisers and are not subject to any Swinging Heaven Rules.
well is it just me,or does this statment not contradict
its self confused dunno
its either a SH 'rule' or its not
fil
Quote by tina1
is vouching more verbal and not publicly displayed as where verification is more writen for everyone to see.
I can see the plus and negatives for verification/feedback.

mmmmmm gt8 profile pics :wanker:
fil :grin:
Quote by lilnfil
Mods Edit - Please Note - NO MEMBERS, males, females or couples ever need to be verified by anyone to attend a social. Invites are purely at the descretion of the organisers and are not subject to any Swinging Heaven Rules.
well is it just me,or does this statment not contradict
its self confused dunno
its either a SH 'rule' or its not
no fil it doesnt, it just means they changed the rules and you have to read the whole pages to understand it all.........ficko lol
fil
Quote by tina1
Mods Edit - Please Note - NO MEMBERS, males, females or couples ever need to be verified by anyone to attend a social. Invites are purely at the descretion of the organisers and are not subject to any Swinging Heaven Rules.
well is it just me,or does this statment not contradict
its self confused dunno
its either a SH 'rule' or its not
no fil it doesnt, it just means they changed the rules and you have to read the whole pages to understand it all.........ficko lol
fil

rotflmao @ ficko kettle,pot and black spring to mind
so where is the page, with all the rules then that i obviously haven't read yet, bright spark :lol:
fil
Quote by tina1
is vouching more verbal and not publicly displayed as where verification is more writen for everyone to see.

That has been mentioned - but vouching has also taken place on threads, which are public, so?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject:
winchwench wrote:
I like single men icon_ Lots icon_ icon_
In fact if I ever organise a social I'm only going to let single guys come.
Oh, and me of course icon_
Freckledbird Wrote :
Trollop! icon_
Can I come too, please icon_

Lyns Wrote:
I thinks that a little greedy! icon_
can I come and share

H wrote:
I like them too, unfortunately their wives' aren't keen on me. icon_
H.x

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rolleyes Ok, provided that someone can verify- I mean vouch :doh: that the single males are really single, for the benefit of H-x, I suppose you can come. So long as you positively promise not to hog them all. :dry:
essex34m wrote:
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You're first on Winchy's fantasy social list kiss
Vive le single bloke! worship
when i have organised the camping socials i have asked people to be vouched for( this applies to single males..sngle females and couples). What I said was that if they been a member for 6 monthes or more then they were welcome. However if a new member, I wanted someone to vouch they were who they say they were. They could quite easily be a banned member coming back under a new name and out to cause trouble. It could easily be a member of the press out for a story on a quiet news day. I think it is up to the organiser of the social what rules apply. If you don't agree with the rules, then don't attend. Organiseing a social is difficult and time consuming and its only right i feel that they should run it with there rules. If we set tomany rules we risk haveing no one wiling to organise....if we have not enough then the potential for a good news story is there. Foe the me the rules as they stand allowing the organiser to rule with there own rules is the right way.
Quote by deancannock
when i have organised the camping socials i have asked people to be vouched for( this applies to single males..sngle females and couples). What I said was that if they been a member for 6 monthes or more then they were welcome. However if a new member, I wanted someone to vouch they were who they say they were. They could quite easily be a banned member coming back under a new name and out to cause trouble. It could easily be a member of the press out for a story on a quiet news day. I think it is up to the organiser of the social what rules apply. If you don't agree with the rules, then don't attend. Organiseing a social is difficult and time consuming and its only right i feel that they should run it with there rules. If we set tomany rules we risk haveing no one wiling to organise....if we have not enough then the potential for a good news story is there. Foe the me the rules as they stand allowing the organiser to rule with there own rules is the right way.

and I have no problem with that at all dean, you have been here for a while, and i trust you to run a social fairly....
the problem and objection I had is that why should a for example a single fem or a couple who have been on week be ushered straight in, when for a single guy who has been here for years has to jump thru hoops for the same function....
If it was the same rule applied the same way for everyone then the problems wouldn't exist, but people are not applying it the same....
so before yesterday I could of just ask to go to the cov socials and derby socials (and I hope to at some point) and encounter no problems.... but the notts social I would have had to get "vouched", just because I am a single guy......
fil is right.... if I don't like it, I won't ask to go...I was going to ask but didn't in the end..... just like there was supposed to be a "local" munch at the end of the year, but change of organisor change of rules..."munch" becomes "social"... limits imposed... I haven't put my name down for that either!!
I would like to present a situation. The 'introduction'.
Whereby an existing member finds a new partner and introduces them to the forum and subsequently the meets etc.
This appears to be an accepted thing. The lucky introducee getting shed loads of welcomes and 'nudge nudge, meet you at the next munch'.
Great for the newbie who has in effect come from anywhere as far as the forums are wised up to, who appears to proceed up the ladder of acceptance like a fireman in a gold jock strap.
I can see that there is a genuine presentation of a new partner. But don't they derive all the benefits of being vouched for?
Quote by winchwench
rolleyes Ok, provided that someone can verify- I mean vouch :doh: that the single males are really single, for the benefit of H-x, I suppose you can come. So long as you positively promise not to hog them all. :dry:

I'll only need four or five biggrin
As I see it, if one person (unknown) needs someone to vouch for them then everyone (unknown) should need someone to vouch for them, be it single male, female or couple. A single guy isn't going to lie about being a single guy (unless he's married but that's a whole other issue :D ) but there are many who say they are couples who aren't. Would they be turned away at the door if they turned up and said, 'Oh the wife is ill'?
One rule for all, I say.
H.x
Quote by flower411
I have a couple more theories about this, I may pop back in later lol

:shock: Oooooooooo bugger! :lol: wink
Seriously, thanks for your answer. biggrin
Quote by lilnfil
Mods Edit - Please Note - NO MEMBERS, males, females or couples ever need to be verified by anyone to attend a social. Invites are purely at the descretion of the organisers and are not subject to any Swinging Heaven Rules.
well is it just me,or does this statment not contradict
its self confused dunno
its either a SH 'rule' or its not
no fil it doesnt, it just means they changed the rules and you have to read the whole pages to understand it all.........ficko lol
fil

rotflmao @ ficko kettle,pot and black spring to mind
so where is the page, with all the rules then that i obviously haven't read yet, bright spark :lol:
fil
ermmmmm i fink they over that>>>>>>>>>way
or maybe they that<<<<<<<<<<<<way
I dont venture into the unknown im just always a good girl and if do someone naughty then I expect a good 69position