Quote by DeeCee
infact i could list plenty of positive things in her favour....
well we're still waiting...are you going to list any of those positive things in her favour?
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What a great parent.......not
Quote by DeeCee
I would be very interested to know what you think are the positives here?
Yes she is positive by allowing her Daughter to go on the pill at 12...superb that one. The police should have been called in. She is a child, a minor who should be doing things that kids do at 12. That is not drinking taking smokes of all sorts, and certainly NOT having .
Worst of all is doing this with her Mothers consent....very nice.
Does your shit not stink then?
Is that the logic in your arguement then? You have not named us the positives here...am waiting.
the logic is that you probably (morally) arent in a position to judge her.
Have you walked a mile in her shoes?
Would you swap places with her?
also, Id like to see what you would do in her position...
I guess from your post that you would do as little as the mother in this case..
shameful :rude:
you guess wrong.....
typical
Man of straw comes to mind here in your case DeeCee no substance whatsoever
Saw a wonderful proggy on French TV tonight.. 12 year olds being trained as fire personnel!
They are taken out on training exercises, help out at the fire station and given a keep fit routine..
Now then, compare that to what this English girl is up to.. smoking pot, drinking cans of lager, hanging about with ne'er do wells...
They are taken out on training exercises, help out at the fire station and given a keep fit routine..
Now then, compare that to what this English girl is up to.. smoking pot, drinking cans of lager, hanging about with ne'er do wells...
Quote by GnV
Saw a wonderful proggy on French TV tonight.. 12 year olds being trained as fire personnel!
They are taken out on training exercises, help out at the fire station and given a keep fit routine..
Now then, compare that to what this English girl is up to.. smoking pot, drinking cans of lager, hanging about with ne'er do wells...
but you've got to see the positve side to it...i'm sure she will be an outstanding citizen in the long run!
Master of Sex
I'm sorry but you can't defend the indefensible. The woman has shown a shocking lack of parental control that borders on abuse. Because of her shocking track record as a 'mother', her daughter is now on a very slippery slope.
And before the 'walk a mile in her shoes' quote comes at me, I've been a single teenage mother and was single once again with 3 daughters when my first marriage went t*ts up. My eldest daughter was a challenge and would have tried the patience of a saint. But I didn't let up even though trying to control her was like holding a tiger by the tail.
Yes, it would have been easier (for me) NOT to ground her but I'd have lost control and therefore any authority. And then what. oh ... I know ... she'd have been 'hanging out' drinking lager, smoking pot and being expelled from school instead of getting the 10 GCSEs she ended up with.
And before the 'walk a mile in her shoes' quote comes at me, I've been a single teenage mother and was single once again with 3 daughters when my first marriage went t*ts up. My eldest daughter was a challenge and would have tried the patience of a saint. But I didn't let up even though trying to control her was like holding a tiger by the tail.
Yes, it would have been easier (for me) NOT to ground her but I'd have lost control and therefore any authority. And then what. oh ... I know ... she'd have been 'hanging out' drinking lager, smoking pot and being expelled from school instead of getting the 10 GCSEs she ended up with.
Quote by Sugar-n-pom
I'm sorry but you can't defend the indefensible. The woman has shown a shocking lack of parental control that borders on abuse. Because of her shocking track record as a 'mother', her daughter is now on a very slippery slope.
And before the 'walk a mile in her shoes' quote comes at me, I've been a single teenage mother and was single once again with 3 daughters when my first marriage went t*ts up. My eldest daughter was a challenge and would have tried the patience of a saint. But I didn't let up even though trying to control her was like holding a tiger by the tail.
Yes, it would have been easier (for me) NOT to ground her but I'd have lost control and therefore any authority. And then what. oh ... I know ... she'd have been 'hanging out' drinking lager, smoking pot and being expelled from school instead of getting the 10 GCSEs she ended up with.
Well done you!! It shows it can be done!
Quote by GnV
I'm sorry but you can't defend the indefensible. The woman has shown a shocking lack of parental control that borders on abuse. Because of her shocking track record as a 'mother', her daughter is now on a very slippery slope.
And before the 'walk a mile in her shoes' quote comes at me, I've been a single teenage mother and was single once again with 3 daughters when my first marriage went t*ts up. My eldest daughter was a challenge and would have tried the patience of a saint. But I didn't let up even though trying to control her was like holding a tiger by the tail.
Yes, it would have been easier (for me) NOT to ground her but I'd have lost control and therefore any authority. And then what. oh ... I know ... she'd have been 'hanging out' drinking lager, smoking pot and being expelled from school instead of getting the 10 GCSEs she ended up with.
Well done you!! It shows it can be done!
Seconded here as well.
I am sick and tired of people making excuses for parents, that quite frankly do not give a toss about their kids. All some think of is there fags and their drink, and collecting their benefit cheque on a Monday.
There are some fantastic single parents out there who do a great job, even with difficult kids....its called giving a damn, and this woman would not know the word parent if it came out of here ar-e on a wet and windy morning.
I praise the decent hard working parents out there, of which they are most. This girl may well end up in care, which surely has got to be better for her future, than leaving her with this shocking woman? My opinion of course.
I dont agree with how the mum is doing what she is doing by letting her daughter get away with it all, but at end of the day the child will do what she wants on the streets no matter what cos by sounds of it that is the attitude of the girl.
By sounds of it the mother cannot do rite 4 doing wrong even tho i dont agree with wot is happening
By sounds of it the mother cannot do rite 4 doing wrong even tho i dont agree with wot is happening
Quote by slutwife
I dont agree with how the mum is doing what she is doing by letting her daughter get away with it all, but at end of the day the child will do what she wants on the streets no matter what cos by sounds of it that is the attitude of the girl.
By sounds of it the mother cannot do rite 4 doing wrong even tho i dont agree with wot is happening
What about not letting her out at all? What about grounding her, taking her to school and picking her up?
If we were talking about a parent that was bothered they could do that, and keep the child out of trouble but...when you have a parent that just cant be bothered, too much hassle, then there is nothing she can do.
Quote by kentswingers777
I dont agree with how the mum is doing what she is doing by letting her daughter get away with it all, but at end of the day the child will do what she wants on the streets no matter what cos by sounds of it that is the attitude of the girl.
By sounds of it the mother cannot do rite 4 doing wrong even tho i dont agree with wot is happening
What about not letting her out at all? What about grounding her, taking her to school and picking her up?
If we were talking about a parent that was bothered they could do that, and keep the child out of trouble but...when you have a parent that just cant be bothered, too much hassle, then there is nothing she can do.
you know what really pisses me off about people like this mother...all they want is the kids out from under their feet,so they let them out till god knows what time...just so they can have a bit of peace and quite vegging in front of the telly...how about these parents getting off their arses and taking an active interest in what these kids do,take them places,do things with them rather than just shoving them out on the street till its time for bed.
Quote by Mr-Powers
I dont agree with how the mum is doing what she is doing by letting her daughter get away with it all, but at end of the day the child will do what she wants on the streets no matter what cos by sounds of it that is the attitude of the girl.
By sounds of it the mother cannot do rite 4 doing wrong even tho i dont agree with wot is happening
I do like you ya know Powers.
What about not letting her out at all? What about grounding her, taking her to school and picking her up?
If we were talking about a parent that was bothered they could do that, and keep the child out of trouble but...when you have a parent that just cant be bothered, too much hassle, then there is nothing she can do.
you know what really pisses me off about people like this mother...all they want is the kids out from under their feet,so they let them out till god knows what time...just so they can have a bit of peace and quite vegging in front of the telly...how about these parents getting off their arses and taking an active interest in what these kids do,take them places,do things with them rather than just shoving them out on the street till its time for bed.
I do like you ya know Powers. :lol:
Master of Sex
Quote by slutwife
I dont agree with how the mum is doing what she is doing by letting her daughter get away with it all, but at end of the day the child will do what she wants on the streets no matter what cos by sounds of it that is the attitude of the girl.
By sounds of it the mother cannot do rite 4 doing wrong even tho i dont agree with wot is happening
When my eldest was being a right royal pain in the arse at 13 years old, I had to adopt a 'zero tolerance' approach because she was the sort of girl that if you gave her an inch, she'd take a yard. I don't expect kids to be alabaster angels but there are issues on which you can't give in because it's just the thin end of the wedge. Whenever my daughter stepped seriously out of line and was caught(skiving off school, coming in 2 hours after curfew etc) she'd be grounded and I'd confiscate ALL of her clothes except for school uniform and pyjamas.
I also took her TV and stereo out of her room so it was a punishment and not just a week of sulking in her own comfortable space deafening us all with Nirvana (and my god she sulked - made my life a misery
). There was NO chance of her going out 'no matter what' (not unless she met her mates dressed in her teddy bear pyjamas) although it would have been far easier to throw my hands in the air and tell her to go out and get on with it. But I loved and cared about her too much to do that. I'm sure most of the people on this site are excellent parents and we all know its bloody hard work. The easy option is to let your kids run around the streets in packs and then blame everyone else when it all goes pear shaped. Oh - and then expect 'professionals' to pick up the pieces and sort the mess out at the tax payers expense.
Quote by Sugar-n-pom
I dont agree with how the mum is doing what she is doing by letting her daughter get away with it all, but at end of the day the child will do what she wants on the streets no matter what cos by sounds of it that is the attitude of the girl.
By sounds of it the mother cannot do rite 4 doing wrong even tho i dont agree with wot is happening
When my eldest was being a right royal pain in the arse at 13 years old, I had to adopt a 'zero tolerance' approach because she was the sort of girl that if you gave her an inch, she'd take a yard. I don't expect kids to be alabaster angels but there are issues on which you can't give in because it's just the thin end of the wedge. Whenever my daughter stepped seriously out of line and was caught(skiving off school, coming in 2 hours after curfew etc) she'd be grounded and I'd confiscate ALL of her clothes except for school uniform and pyjamas.
I also took her TV and stereo out of her room so it was a punishment and not just a week of sulking in her own comfortable space deafening us all with Nirvana (and my god she sulked - made my life a misery
). There was NO chance of her going out 'no matter what' (not unless she met her mates dressed in her teddy bear pyjamas) although it would have been far easier to throw my hands in the air and tell her to go out and get on with it. But I loved and cared about her too much to do that. I'm sure most of the people on this site are excellent parents and we all know its bloody hard work. The easy option is to let your kids run around the streets in packs and then blame everyone else when it all goes pear shaped. Oh - and then expect 'professionals' to pick up the pieces and sort the mess out at the tax payers expense.
An excellent post, and a great parent too.
Quote by kentswingers777
I would be very interested to know what you think are the positives here?
Yes she is positive by allowing her Daughter to go on the pill at 12...superb that one. The police should have been called in. She is a child, a minor who should be doing things that kids do at 12. That is not drinking taking smokes of all sorts, and certainly NOT having .
Worst of all is doing this with her Mothers consent....very nice.
Okaaay, here I go.
The 'Positive' is that the girl, at the age of 12 will not get pregnant.
Kids from the age of (normally @ 14 at the minute) are going to have sex whether or not you or any other parent forbids them to do so. It's life.
So what would you rather do? teach safe sex, educate of the protection of STI's? or turn a blind eye to them having sex... because it's wrong?
I'm NOT advocating that it right for a child under the age of 16 yrs old to be having sex, but teenage pregnancy statistics show that these girls would be better off with some kind of help and advice, would you not agree??
I was gutted when I found out my daughter had had sex at the age of 15 years old. I'd found out she'd been for STI screening also. Furious? yes, I threw her pills in the bin. After I calmed down I realised though that as she had been with her boyfriend for over a year she had indeed been sensible about her of her approach to having sex for the first time.
I think for the record the mother from this thread is nuts, and I do think at 12 the child is too young to be having sex, but she's even more 'too young to be a mum'.
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oops, sorry folks i didnt realise I had to make a response within an alotted time.
You don't but.... If the positives are that obvious why would you need any time to respond? :shock:
well if you would have read my initial posts properly... i notice you responded within a minute or so..... you would have seen that i highlighted 2 positives that you completely failed to deal didnt even answer my question either.
Then... the pack arrived ... G and V and Mr Powers included and got all personal with me.
Dealing with your rhetoric, pettulence and narrow-mindedness, "their input" and SH politics requires, for my part at-least, some time to make a measured response. I am happy to do this when I am good and seeing as you wish to keep forcing the issue in the open... here is my response.
Not that you probably read and digest the content.
Im certainly not going to be harangued or pressurised by you or others.... and i take my own personal life ( work, study, socialising, eating and bathing) a little more serious than this womans situation.
You still havnt digested the point i origionally made... that you were being particularly rude to this woman...... you continue to do so... and you are being rude and obnoxious to me now.
My failure to answer thus far doesnt make you right and mean that i have no points to make..... it just means i have more to get on with than become embroiled in nonsence like this.
Quote by DeeCee
oops, sorry folks i didnt realise I had to make a response within an alotted time.
You don't but.... If the positives are that obvious why would you need any time to respond? :shock:
well if you would have read my initial posts properly... i notice you responded within a minute or so..... you would have seen that i highlighted 2 positives that you completely failed to deal didnt even answer my question either.
Then... the pack arrived ... G and V and Mr Powers included and got all personal with me.
Dealing with your rhetoric, pettulence and narrow-mindedness, "their input" and SH politics requires, for my part at-least, some time to make a measured response. I am happy to do this when I am good and seeing as you wish to keep forcing the issue in the open... here is my response.
Not that you probably read and digest the content.
Im certainly not going to be harangued or pressurised by you or others.... and i take my own personal life ( work, study, socialising, eating and bathing) a little more serious than this womans situation.
You still havnt digested the point i origionally made... that you were being particularly rude to this woman...... you continue to do so... and you are being rude and obnoxious to me now.
My failure to answer thus far doesnt make you right and mean that i have no points to make..... it just means i have more to get on with than become embroiled in nonsence like this.
where did i get personal...i asked you to name some positives!
which you are clearly still avoiding that question!
Quote by Mr-Powers
oops, sorry folks i didnt realise I had to make a response within an alotted time.
You don't but.... If the positives are that obvious why would you need any time to respond? :shock:
well if you would have read my initial posts properly... i notice you responded within a minute or so..... you would have seen that i highlighted 2 positives that you completely failed to deal didnt even answer my question either.
Then... the pack arrived ... G and V and Mr Powers included and got all personal with me.
Dealing with your rhetoric, pettulence and narrow-mindedness, "their input" and SH politics requires, for my part at-least, some time to make a measured response. I am happy to do this when I am good and seeing as you wish to keep forcing the issue in the open... here is my response.
Not that you probably read and digest the content.
Im certainly not going to be harangued or pressurised by you or others.... and i take my own personal life ( work, study, socialising, eating and bathing) a little more serious than this womans situation.
You still havnt digested the point i origionally made... that you were being particularly rude to this woman...... you continue to do so... and you are being rude and obnoxious to me now.
My failure to answer thus far doesnt make you right and mean that i have no points to make..... it just means i have more to get on with than become embroiled in nonsence like this.
where did i get personal...i asked you to name some positives!
which you are clearly still avoiding that question!
I think the same applies with me.
If you make sweeping statements without any substance, it is quite right that someone else, can ask you to clarify your points. That is all we have asked, for which you are now avoiding.
Quote by Mr-Powers
oops, sorry folks i didnt realise I had to make a response within an alotted time.
You don't but.... If the positives are that obvious why would you need any time to respond? :shock:
well if you would have read my initial posts properly... i notice you responded within a minute or so..... you would have seen that i highlighted 2 positives that you completely failed to deal didnt even answer my question either.
Then... the pack arrived ... G and V and Mr Powers included and got all personal with me.
Dealing with your rhetoric, pettulence and narrow-mindedness, "their input" and SH politics requires, for my part at-least, some time to make a measured response. I am happy to do this when I am good and seeing as you wish to keep forcing the issue in the open... here is my response.
Not that you probably read and digest the content.
Im certainly not going to be harangued or pressurised by you or others.... and i take my own personal life ( work, study, socialising, eating and bathing) a little more serious than this womans situation.
You still havnt digested the point i origionally made... that you were being particularly rude to this woman...... you continue to do so... and you are being rude and obnoxious to me now.
My failure to answer thus far doesnt make you right and mean that i have no points to make..... it just means i have more to get on with than become embroiled in nonsence like this.
where did i get personal...i asked you to name some positives!
which you are clearly still avoiding that question!
I've been trying to work that one out too..
I admit to being personal.. I don't suffer fools gladly
Quote by GnV
oops, sorry folks i didnt realise I had to make a response within an alotted time.
You don't but.... If the positives are that obvious why would you need any time to respond? :shock:
well if you would have read my initial posts properly... i notice you responded within a minute or so..... you would have seen that i highlighted 2 positives that you completely failed to deal didnt even answer my question either.
Then... the pack arrived... G and V and Mr Powers included and got all personal with me.
Dealing with your rhetoric, pettulence and narrow-mindedness, "their input" and SH politics requires, for my part at-least, some time to make a measured response. I am happy to do this when I am good and seeing as you wish to keep forcing the issue in the open... here is my response.
Not that you probably read and digest the content.
Im certainly not going to be harangued or pressurised by you or others.... and i take my own personal life ( work, study, socialising, eating and bathing) a little more serious than this womans situation.
You still havnt digested the point i origionally made... that you were being particularly rude to this woman...... you continue to do so... and you are being rude and obnoxious to me now.
My failure to answer thus far doesnt make you right and mean that i have no points to make..... it just means i have more to get on with than become embroiled in nonsence like this.
where did i get personal...i asked you to name some positives!
which you are clearly still avoiding that question!
I've been trying to work that one out too..
I admit to being personal.. I don't suffer fools gladly
this fucking pisses me off...just because several members opinions differ from yours...and we all happen to be asking the same question that you are avoiding to answer...you refer to us as "The Pack"...if anyone is getting personal its you!
Quote by jaymar
I would be very interested to know what you think are the positives here?
Yes she is positive by allowing her Daughter to go on the pill at 12...superb that one. The police should have been called in. She is a child, a minor who should be doing things that kids do at 12. That is not drinking taking smokes of all sorts, and certainly NOT having .
Worst of all is doing this with her Mothers consent....very nice.
Okaaay, here I go.
The 'Positive' is that the girl, at the age of 12 will not get pregnant.
Kids from the age of (normally @ 14 at the minute) are going to have sex whether or not you or any other parent forbids them to do so. It's life.
So what would you rather do? teach safe sex, educate of the protection of STI's? or turn a blind eye to them having sex... because it's wrong?
I'm NOT advocating that it right for a child under the age of 16 yrs old to be having sex, but teenage pregnancy statistics show that these girls would be better off with some kind of help and advice, would you not agree??
I was gutted when I found out my daughter had had sex at the age of 15 years old. I'd found out she'd been for STI screening also. Furious? yes, I threw her pills in the bin. After I calmed down I realised though that as she had been with her boyfriend for over a year she had indeed been sensible about her of her approach to having sex for the first time.
I think for the record the mother from this thread is nuts, and I do think at 12 the child is too young to be having sex, but she's even more 'too young to be a mum'.
Sorry Mar but where did you get that piece of information from? :shock:
Mrs777's Daughter is that age well 15, and none of her mates have, and she has loads of friends.
Tell you what parents could do if they found out their Daughter was having UNDERAGE ILLEGAL sex, take them to school...pick them up from school...and then ground them. Or is that too difficult for some to do? Too much hassle?
Sorry Mar in my book when a child, yes a child, has sex at the age of 12, then Social Services should be brought in. Where the heck is societies morals now? We are not talking about a 15 year old, we are talking about a child that has just left primary school.
Not nit picking Mar, its just the way I see it. There is a does a child have rights thread going, what about the parents protecting those childrens rights, when they find out that child has had sex at 12? Or has that child now got the right to have underage illegal sex?
There are ways of stopping your child from doing this, but it takes time and patience, and a lot of hard work, things that some parents would not know the meaning of.
Sexlightened
Surely as its not allowed by law to sell cigs to under 16's and alcohol to under 18's then the mother is breaking the law by supplying someone under these ages with the items. Surely she should be charged by the police.
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Surely as its not allowed by law to sell cigs to under 16's and alcohol to under 18's then the mother is breaking the law by supplying someone under these ages with the items. Surely she should be charged by the police.
An example of why they will not charge people now.
Sorry but that will never happen. If they wont do something about this ferel youth having sex WELL under the legal age, there is no chance they will do anything about the others.
Still with the extra money she now has from being a shite parent,from selling her story, she can buy her ferel kids as much drink and fags as they can handle.
Quote by kentswingers777
There are ways of stopping your child from doing this, but it takes time and patience, and a lot of hard work, things that some parents would not know the meaning of.
There are ways and means of a child getting round any rule you give them, don't be fooled into thinking there isn't.
Ban them from doing anything other than school and they'll be in the loo's or behind the bike sheds.
Quote by jaymar
I think for the record the mother from this thread is nuts, and I do think at 12 the child is too young to be having sex, but she's even more 'too young to be a mum'.
Nice comment :thumbup:
