I have never understood what opinions are and have always thought they are just our thoughts at a given time.
I have in the past used the word opinion but have always felt uncomfortable about using it as what I say is just my thoughts at that moment in time.
These can change at a given time by mood, feeling or listening to others
We can not justify our thoughts as it is who we are, they are formed by so many things in life, nor should we have to.
Sometime we can not rationalize them ourselves.
When I write I never feel it is an opinion but just my thoughts, as people’s
thoughts are very individual I never question them.
Who am I to question them when sometimes I don’t understand my own.
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o⋅pin⋅ion
/əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.
in my opinion, when I use the pgrase my opinion I am expressing my thoughts, or knowledge based on what I may have read or experienced, but cannot necessarily back up with classified fact.
Or it may be a thought/conclusion formed over time through life experience, or that of others... a 'personal' view.
I use the the phrase quite a lot.
lp
/əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.
in my opinion, when I use the pgrase my opinion I am expressing my thoughts, or knowledge based on what I may have read or experienced, but cannot necessarily back up with classified fact.
Or it may be a thought/conclusion formed over time through life experience, or that of others... a 'personal' view.
I use the the phrase quite a lot.
lp
Quote by Theladyisaminx
When I write I never feel it is an opinion but just my thoughts, as people’s
thoughts are very individual I never question them.
Who am I to question them when sometimes I don’t understand my own.
It may well be that you feel this way Minxie, however it can be posible to question someones view, or the logic that braught them to thier conclusion without questioning the person behind the view/opinion... know what I mean?
Discussion doesn't have to become personal where some can feel personally attacked... but can remain open and flowing where opinions are exchanged and balanced against one another...he mumbled. (it's early)
lp
Quote by __random_orbit__
o⋅pin⋅ion
/əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.
in my opinion, when I use the pgrase my opinion I am expressing my thoughts, or knowledge based on what I may have read or experienced, but cannot necessarily back up with classified fact.
Or it may be a thought/conclusion formed over time through life experience, or that of others... a 'personal' view.
I use the the phrase quite a lot.
lp
I have to say I totally agree with you.
This I find scary. :shock: :P
Quote by __random_orbit__
When I write I never feel it is an opinion but just my thoughts, as people’s
thoughts are very individual I never question them.
Who am I to question them when sometimes I don’t understand my own.
It may well be that you feel this way Minxie, however it can be posible to question someones view, or the logic that braught them to thier conclusion without questioning the person behind the view/opinion... know what I mean?
Discussion doesn't have to become personal where some can feel personally attacked... but can remain open and flowing where opinions are exchanged and balanced against one another...he mumbled. (it's early)
lp
Judging by your avatar, in my opinion, it must have been a full moon last night :shock:
Quote by __random_orbit__
When I write I never feel it is an opinion but just my thoughts, as people’s
thoughts are very individual I never question them.
Who am I to question them when sometimes I don’t understand my own.
It may well be that you feel this way Minxie, however it can be posible to question someones view, or the logic that braught them to thier conclusion without questioning the person behind the view/opinion... know what I mean?
Discussion doesn't have to become personal where some can feel personally attacked... but can remain open and flowing where opinions are exchanged and balanced against one another...he mumbled. (it's early)
lp
:shock: :shock: Total agree again.
My thoughts are, should I call the doctors now?
Quote by fluff_n_stuff
When I write I never feel it is an opinion but just my thoughts, as people’s
thoughts are very individual I never question them.
Who am I to question them when sometimes I don’t understand my own.
It may well be that you feel this way Minxie, however it can be posible to question someones view, or the logic that braught them to thier conclusion without questioning the person behind the view/opinion... know what I mean?
Discussion doesn't have to become personal where some can feel personally attacked... but can remain open and flowing where opinions are exchanged and balanced against one another...he mumbled. (it's early)
lp
Judging by your avatar, in my opinion, it must have been a full moon last night :shock:
I didn't notice that.
Now that is :scared:
I'd say an opinion is a value or belief you have formed that is based less on facts, but more on what your perception of the issue is.
For example, I am of the opinion there is no god. I can't prove it I have no evidence to back this claim up other than what is circumstantial and while this is compelling evidence to me, I understand that for others it may well be evidence to the contrary.
I think opinions are also liable to change. They are not as rigidly set as belief systems. For example, I am of the opinion there is no god, however if I go to school and a big booming voice from the sky that everyone can hear says "Oh! Mr Res! Look here's a miracle, a few angels and a larger penis, all for you!" then I'd be persuaded that perhaps he did exist. On the other hand I can think of little that can dissuade my belief that children should be brought up free from any form abuse. I think opinions are more general and less specific. Beliefs are more personal and more specific. And that may well be a reason why people who post an opinion on here, may find any questioning of that, an attack on their beliefs? Who knows?
I think that is the difference between opinions and beliefs. One can be changed the other less so. However it is perhaps something of a dichotomy that the more "opinionated" a person is, actually means that they just believe in their argument more.
A Good post to get the grey matter working on a Monday morning Minx!
For example, I am of the opinion there is no god. I can't prove it I have no evidence to back this claim up other than what is circumstantial and while this is compelling evidence to me, I understand that for others it may well be evidence to the contrary.
I think opinions are also liable to change. They are not as rigidly set as belief systems. For example, I am of the opinion there is no god, however if I go to school and a big booming voice from the sky that everyone can hear says "Oh! Mr Res! Look here's a miracle, a few angels and a larger penis, all for you!" then I'd be persuaded that perhaps he did exist. On the other hand I can think of little that can dissuade my belief that children should be brought up free from any form abuse. I think opinions are more general and less specific. Beliefs are more personal and more specific. And that may well be a reason why people who post an opinion on here, may find any questioning of that, an attack on their beliefs? Who knows?
I think that is the difference between opinions and beliefs. One can be changed the other less so. However it is perhaps something of a dichotomy that the more "opinionated" a person is, actually means that they just believe in their argument more.
A Good post to get the grey matter working on a Monday morning Minx!
I actually mis read the question at first glance, my response was going to be .......
It is a small round root vegatable, known to make you cry when cutting or slicing it, used to add flavour to stews,curries and other food dishes and also good when pickled in vinegar.
I am so glad i did not post that to be ridiculed again by you more intelligent forumites.
It is a small round root vegatable, known to make you cry when cutting or slicing it, used to add flavour to stews,curries and other food dishes and also good when pickled in vinegar.
I am so glad i did not post that to be ridiculed again by you more intelligent forumites.
Quote by jumptoit
I actually mis read the question at first glance, my response was going to be .......
It is a small round root vegatable, known to make you cry when cutting or slicing it, used to add flavour to stews,curries and other food dishes and also good when pickled in vinegar.
I am so glad i did not post that to be ridiculed again by you more intelligent forumites.
I would have thought o no I have done it again and checked my spelling
It would not be the first time I have spelt something wrong :lol:
well I havent spelt the word wrong just used the wrong word altoghther.
Examples instead of saying
Jazz funk..said Jazz Fuck
conversion house said conversation house.
As for intelligence I was once told that:
Intelligence is not only the ability to gain knowledge but how also you apply that knowledge, so the fact that you have explained the uses of onions would say you have applied that knowledge well.
I would let you decide what this all means.
Sex God
Quote by Lone_swordsman
What are opinions? They're like arseholes, everybody's got one.
Yup... and occasionally they both smell of poo! :silly:
We all have opinions, some of us reach them my thinking. Some of us are happy to except the opinions of others, with out question. Some of us have opinions that are just useful, and voiced just to support, say a pay rise.
My opinions are a result of thinking. Sometimes I change them, I hope not just for personal gain. Sometimes I gain new opinions; as a result of reading a post perhaps.
Travis
My opinions are a result of thinking. Sometimes I change them, I hope not just for personal gain. Sometimes I gain new opinions; as a result of reading a post perhaps.
Travis
I think you've more or less answered your own question. As a regular OP on threads, it would 'appear' you have quite a few opinions, which is really what everyone has.
You've said you have your beliefs and thoughts, that's what opinions are, they're yours and yours alone, no one elses.
Opinions are beliefs, ideas, views, attitude, anything that belongs to the owner, and people will try and challenge them.
All the above has been said by me, in my opinion
You've said you have your beliefs and thoughts, that's what opinions are, they're yours and yours alone, no one elses.
Opinions are beliefs, ideas, views, attitude, anything that belongs to the owner, and people will try and challenge them.
All the above has been said by me, in my opinion
Once upon a time there was an opinion called Flat Earth, who had a bother called Round Earth. Round Earth was younger than Flat Earth, but that did not Stop them fighting.
Then one day Flat Earth ganged up with the Pope and got Round Earth imprisoned. From high up in the tower Round Earth called out proof, and tossed calculations and books down to passers-by. None would listen, or read the book, they were afraid of the Pope. Those that were not afraid of the Pope were afraid of Flat Earth for they feared walking to far and falling off the edge of the world in to Hell.
Then, one day with the help of some brave men Round Earth escaped. He mounted a flying machine and flew into heaven. Looking down he could see that he was indeed correct, all of his books were right. So much so that finally the Pope sided with Round Earth and turned his back on Brother Flat Earth.
Now you may think that that was the last that was ever seen of Flat Earth. It was not, for even today, he can be seen roaming the southern states of America in the company of Creation.
Then one day Flat Earth ganged up with the Pope and got Round Earth imprisoned. From high up in the tower Round Earth called out proof, and tossed calculations and books down to passers-by. None would listen, or read the book, they were afraid of the Pope. Those that were not afraid of the Pope were afraid of Flat Earth for they feared walking to far and falling off the edge of the world in to Hell.
Then, one day with the help of some brave men Round Earth escaped. He mounted a flying machine and flew into heaven. Looking down he could see that he was indeed correct, all of his books were right. So much so that finally the Pope sided with Round Earth and turned his back on Brother Flat Earth.
Now you may think that that was the last that was ever seen of Flat Earth. It was not, for even today, he can be seen roaming the southern states of America in the company of Creation.
I think the fundamental is: a fact, that which is known to be true and an opinion, that which we believe to be true based on facts. We also have beliefs of course such as religion which are opinions based on no facts at all.
I think opinionated folk find it difficult to distinguish between fact and opinion. As a result its useless giving them facts since it wont alter their opinion. The same goes for folk who hold firm beliefs.
I think opinionated folk find it difficult to distinguish between fact and opinion. As a result its useless giving them facts since it wont alter their opinion. The same goes for folk who hold firm beliefs.
Sex God
Opinions are multi-layered flavour enhancing vegetables
Sex God
Quote by Resonance
Opinions are multi-layered flavour enhancing vegetables
Does that mean Onions are when you sprout broccollocks?
;-)
Yes I believe so, broccollocks or crappages, it is one and the same. I must confess I am very good with veg
Quote by jaymar
I think you've more or less answered your own question. As a regular OP on threads, it would 'appear' you have quite a few opinions, which is really what everyone has.
You've said you have your beliefs and thoughts, that's what opinions are, they're yours and yours alone, no one elses.
Opinions are beliefs, ideas, views, attitude, anything that belongs to the owner, and people will try and challenge them.
All the above has been said by me, in my opinion
As a regular I have not shared my opinion but my thoughts and emotions based on my own personal expierances not of others.
By doing this I thought I would hear others thoughts based on their own expierances, as these are the people I can relate with on common ground.
People have opinions yes but you never know if an opinion is based on what is read or seen on tv or someone else has told them.
So the differences to me is one that is sharing facts facts That I have shared as I have witnessed first hand, not second third or fouth.
I am not challenging your thoughts or opinions just a way that we see things differenly perhaps but I dont know. So I form no opinion, so I am none the wiser what an opinion is really :wink:
Whoops noticed a spelling mistake
Quote by Lost
Opinions are multi-layered flavour enhancing vegetables
Does that mean Onions are when you sprout broccollocks?
;-)
Yes I believe so, broccollocks or crappages, it is one and the same. I must confess I am very good with veg
Oh Peas! That is so sweet-corny! Lettuce put an end to this! There's not mush-room on the forum for this nonsense!
Incidentally one of the forum members on SH has a new dog... Is it a Collie Flower?
I can hear the groaning...
;-)
In a old job, many years ago, I had to sit in and study focus groups. I did not participate, but just watched how they all interacted with each other, and how they were handled by the moderator.
It never ceased to amaze me at how highly charged a group could get, even discussing something like an advert on the telly for chocolate!
What I did realise then, is that we all have different angles/views/opinions on a wide subject of matters, thats what makes us all quirky, unique and individual!
If we were all carbon copies of each other, and had the same opinions on everything, what a dull world we would live in!
Some are forceful with their opinion, some not, it all made a good study about human behaviour, and social interaction.
Bensrums response makes a lot of sense to me also.
Is that called back slapping??? :wink:
It never ceased to amaze me at how highly charged a group could get, even discussing something like an advert on the telly for chocolate!
What I did realise then, is that we all have different angles/views/opinions on a wide subject of matters, thats what makes us all quirky, unique and individual!
If we were all carbon copies of each other, and had the same opinions on everything, what a dull world we would live in!
Some are forceful with their opinion, some not, it all made a good study about human behaviour, and social interaction.
Bensrums response makes a lot of sense to me also.
Is that called back slapping???
:wink: Quote by Theladyisaminx
As a regular I have not shared my opinion but my thoughts and emoticons based on my own personal expierances not of others.
By doing this I thought I would hear others thoughts based on their own expierances, as these are the people I can relate with on common ground.
People have opinions yes but you never know if an opinion is based on what is read or seen on tv or someone else has told them.
So the differences to me is one that is sharing facts facts That I have shared as I have witnessed first hand, not second third or fouth.
Ahh but minxy, is that not sharing an opinion, but more sharing an experience?
You can have an opinion on anything, but if you have experience of something then you can speak from that. Which is entirely different and based on personal judgements and values of that experience. Opinions are similar but can also hold no personal value to you. I've experienced having a tooth out, so I know dentists can be painful, is an experience. Saying "All dentists just hurt you and take the money" is an opinion as other people may have contrasting positive experiences with dentists from their point of view...
It's only a slight difference I suppose, but it makes a difference.
If people attack my opinion by saying "Well I went the dentist and he did X Y and Z and it was fine..." then that is entirely fair enough. If people say "Well you are a big cry-baby wuss pants for saying it hurts" then that is more a judgement of me than the opinion.
It's very confusing this... But there's nothing like a good philosophical thread to start Monday off with a bang!
I'm sure people have given you the benefit of their experiences that you allude to Minx, and I am equally sure people have just looked at what was posted and given you what they feel with no real involvement in the issue. However if you seek opinions then that is kind of what happens I suppose?
I'm now confused as to who I am, what I am doing and whether this is opinion, fact or a figment of my imagination...
Quote by Lucyandmike7
In a old job, many years ago, I had to sit in and study focus groups. I did not participate, but just watched how they all interacted with each other, and how they were handled by the moderator.
It never ceased to amaze me at how highly charged a group could get, even discussing something like an advert on the telly for chocolate!
What I did realise then, is that we all have different angles/views/opinions on a wide subject of matters, thats what makes us all quirky, unique and individual!
If we were all carbon copies of each other, and had the same opinions on everything, what a dull world we would live in!
Some are forceful with their opinion, some not, it all made a good study about human behaviour, and social interaction.
Bensrums response makes a lot of sense to me also.
Is that called back slapping???
I would say it all depends if it is a hard slap, or a pat on the back
Quote by Resonance
As a regular I have not shared my opinion but my thoughts and emoticons based on my own personal expierances not of others.
By doing this I thought I would hear others thoughts based on their own expierances, as these are the people I can relate with on common ground.
People have opinions yes but you never know if an opinion is based on what is read or seen on tv or someone else has told them.
So the differences to me is one that is sharing facts facts That I have shared as I have witnessed first hand, not second third or fouth.
Ahh but minxy, is that not sharing an opinion, but more sharing an experience?
Is it sharing an opinion?
Is an expierance and what we make out them not thoughts, I don't see them as opinions. I have writen some threads on political issues, perhaps they are more of my opinions, on personal threads are my own expierances. I don't see the two as the same thing.
Or are they?
You can have an opinion on anything, but if you have experience of something then you can speak from that. Which is entirely different and based on personal judgements and values of that experience. Opinions are similar but can also hold no personal value to you. I've experienced having a tooth out, so I know dentists can be painful, is an experience. Saying "All dentists just hurt you and take the money" is an opinion as other people may have contrasting positive experiences with dentists from their point of view...
It's only a slight difference I suppose, but it makes a difference.
With expierances I form my thoughts which can be changed by listening to others because we all have different expierances to share.
The two different ways we see our expierances are not right are wrong as we form our own thoughts for many different reasons.
With an opinion I believe we then form on not really our own expierances but what we feel inside.
If people attack my opinion by saying "Well I went the dentist and he did X Y and Z and it was fine..." then that is entirely fair enough. If people say "Well you are a big cry-baby wuss pants for saying it hurts" then that is more a judgement of me than the opinion.
I agree
It's very confusing this... But there's nothing like a good philosophical thread to start Monday off with a bang!
Sorry!
:therethere: I'm sure people have given you the benefit of their experiences that you allude to Minx, and I am equally sure people have just looked at what was posted and given you what they feel with no real involvement in the issue. However if you seek opinions then that is kind of what happens I suppose?
I seek nothing really I just like to hear what others have to say, you can observe and learn a lot from reactions words and people point of views. Thats is what I find facinating being here.
I'm now confused as to who I am, what I am doing and whether this is opinion, fact or a figment of my imagination...
I am as unsure as you lol
I dont even know if what I have put makes sense I haven’t re-read them as they were the thoughts at that moment but could be subject to change. I can disagree with myself at times to.
Just call me
Or
Res what is it when you disagree with yourself? Mad?
Sorry Res just thought you might know that answer.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
As a regular I have not shared my opinion but my thoughts and emoticons based on my own personal expierances not of others.
By doing this I thought I would hear others thoughts based on their own expierances, as these are the people I can relate with on common ground.
People have opinions yes but you never know if an opinion is based on what is read or seen on tv or someone else has told them.
So the differences to me is one that is sharing facts facts That I have shared as I have witnessed first hand, not second third or fouth.
Ahh but minxy, is that not sharing an opinion, but more sharing an experience?
Is it sharing an opinion?
Is an expierance and what we make out them not thoughts, I don't see them as opinions. I have writen some threads on political issues, perhaps they are more of my opinions, on personal threads are my own expierances. I don't see the two as the same thing.
Or are they?
You can have an opinion on anything, but if you have experience of something then you can speak from that. Which is entirely different and based on personal judgements and values of that experience. Opinions are similar but can also hold no personal value to you. I've experienced having a tooth out, so I know dentists can be painful, is an experience. Saying "All dentists just hurt you and take the money" is an opinion as other people may have contrasting positive experiences with dentists from their point of view...
It's only a slight difference I suppose, but it makes a difference.
With expierances I form my thoughts which can be changed by listening to others because we all have different expierances to share.
The two different ways we see our expierances are not right are wrong as we form our own thoughts for many different reasons.
With an opinion I believe we then form on not really our own expierances but what we feel inside.
If people attack my opinion by saying "Well I went the dentist and he did X Y and Z and it was fine..." then that is entirely fair enough. If people say "Well you are a big cry-baby wuss pants for saying it hurts" then that is more a judgement of me than the opinion.
I agree
It's very confusing this... But there's nothing like a good philosophical thread to start Monday off with a bang!
Sorry!
:therethere: I'm sure people have given you the benefit of their experiences that you allude to Minx, and I am equally sure people have just looked at what was posted and given you what they feel with no real involvement in the issue. However if you seek opinions then that is kind of what happens I suppose?
I seek nothing really I just like to hear what others have to say, you can observe and learn a lot from reactions words and people point of views. Thats is what I find facinating being here.
I'm now confused as to who I am, what I am doing and whether this is opinion, fact or a figment of my imagination...
I am as unsure as you lol
I dont even know if what I have put makes sense I haven’t re-read them as they were the thoughts at that moment but could be subject to change. I can disagree with myself at times to.
Just call me
Or
Res what is it when you disagree with yourself? Mad?
Sorry Res just thought you might know that answer.
whoops mistake I have put res's responses after mine they should be the other way around, my thoughts in response to res. If you know what I mean :lol:
Res I quoted in blue
Mine in red :lol:
The use of the word opinion, often seems to be used either in attack or defence.
eg 'That's just my opinion', or meaning don't you dare question it or I'll lamp you.
or Alternatively 'That's just my opinion', meaning i haven't really thought about this, I'm just proceeding by instinct, so don't kill me if I have got it all wrong.
The fact that one has posted a comment in a thread probably does not require the need to say that it is an opinion.
eg 'That's just my opinion', or meaning don't you dare question it or I'll lamp you.
or Alternatively 'That's just my opinion', meaning i haven't really thought about this, I'm just proceeding by instinct, so don't kill me if I have got it all wrong.
The fact that one has posted a comment in a thread probably does not require the need to say that it is an opinion.
