Would you allow your child to do this?.....

29 Nov 2008

Quote by flower411
I`ve just come back to this thread and I`m afraid I have to put myself in the "Black and White" corner.
A 22 year old having sex with a 14 year old is a ....I honestly cannot see my way round that one .... obviously a narrow minded bigotted git :shock:
But hey !! I`ve been called that on this forum before
Plenty of comment has been made about not being able to stop children from having sex, with excuses for lackadaisical parenting being the the most common reason put forward!!!
Of course we cannot know where our children are and what they are doing every minute of the day, but with a bit of effort and concern for the childs welfare, we can have a bloody good idea and can respond/react accordingly to any situation.
Parents who look at a situation and say to themselves
"Hmmm, that looks like a difficult situation to deal with, I`ll have to look for an easy option"
are letting their children down and turning away from their responsibilities. Children need us to keep them safe from paedophiles and other predators, inviting the scum into the house is never going to be the answer to the situation. I can see how some people under pressure and/or without life skills or intelligence could find themselves in a situation where they do not know how to cope, but I honestly cannot see how encouraging a to have sex with your child can be seen in anything but "black and white".
I can hear some of the people reading this starting to rant about ivory towers and all the rest of the cliches, but all I can say is that bringing up children is hard work and not to be taken lightly and people who excuse their own failures by saying that it`s hard work are simply letting their children down.

:thumbup: I have to agree with every word Flower and will join you in the black and white corner. My daughter will be 14 very soon and there is absolutely no way that I would allow such a situation. The man in question is a ...end of story and I think the mother is very misguided in believing that she acted in her daughter's best interests

29 Nov 2008

Personally I would have shopped the guy, but has anyone considered the aftermath?
Given that the 14 year old was in a consensual relationship with the guy, and is wilful enough to virtually blackmail her mum into letting the guy in the house. What do you think would be the end result of a mum shopping her daughter's boyfriend to the police? I'm not talking about the guy, he can do time and I won't shed a tear for him. What I mean is what happens to the mum/daughter relationship?
I've been in a similar circumstance and I can attest that it is NOT a "it's all behind us now darling"! Pound to a pinch of shit the teenager would do her damnedest to get revenge on the person who "destroyed her life". Yup, poor old mum who can't do right for wrong.
A girl wilful enough to do what she's already done is quite capable of making her mum's life a living hell emotionally, ranging from being totally disruptive to actually running away from home. So who can say that that is better than the current circumstances? And if you can please elaborate.
It's all very well you knee-jerkers out there but have any of you given any thought to the real-life consequences of your 'black and white' actions?

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
...snip
Given that the 14 year old was in a consensual relationship with the guy, . and is wilful enough to virtually blackmail her mum into letting the guy in the house

Have to say that I've not seen this in any of the articles that I've so far read.
I'm not a "knee-jerker" and I realise that there are shades of grey between the black and white but put into a similar position, I still would not allow a 22 year old man to have sex, consensual or not, with my 14 year old daughter in my house or any where else.

29 Nov 2008

I may have missed this but did the mother sit the 22 year old down and ask him to show restraint - pointing out to him that, what he was proposing to do was a crime and that she would report it if it happened?
I doubt whether he would've done it if she'd said it first.
I know that might've driven them out of the house but the thought may well have deterred the boyfriend.
The mother would still have had a rebellious and angry 14 year old daughter to deal with but then she wouldn't have been the first mother with that.
Setting a moral standard for your children always runs the risk of driving them away but if it is done with love and support, the more balanced children will realise it and come to terms with it. If not then it can be heartbreak but still worth the risk in my view.
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29 Nov 2008

Quote by flower411
I`ve just come back to this thread and I`m afraid I have to put myself in the "Black and White" corner.
A 22 year old having sex with a 14 year old is a ....I honestly cannot see my way round that one .... obviously a narrow minded bigotted git :shock:
But hey !! I`ve been called that on this forum before
Plenty of comment has been made about not being able to stop children from having sex, with excuses for lackadaisical parenting being the the most common reason put forward!!!
Of course we cannot know where our children are and what they are doing every minute of the day, but with a bit of effort and concern for the childs welfare, we can have a bloody good idea and can respond/react accordingly to any situation.
Parents who look at a situation and say to themselves
"Hmmm, that looks like a difficult situation to deal with, I`ll have to look for an easy option"
are letting their children down and turning away from their responsibilities. Children need us to keep them safe from paedophiles and other predators, inviting the scum into the house is never going to be the answer to the situation. I can see how some people under pressure and/or without life skills or intelligence could find themselves in a situation where they do not know how to cope, but I honestly cannot see how encouraging a to have sex with your child can be seen in anything but "black and white".
I can hear some of the people reading this starting to rant about ivory towers and all the rest of the cliches, but all I can say is that bringing up children is hard work and not to be taken lightly and people who excuse their own failures by saying that it`s hard work are simply letting their children down.

Your views are fine :thumbup:
Well going by UK law anyway, and in an ideal world every county would have the same laws to abide by, but there’s many a country out there where the age of consent is between 12 and 15, funnily enough all these countries have a lower rate of teenage pregnancies than the UK, If the law was changed tomorrow upping the age of consent to 21 would you call a 25 year old having sex with a 19 year old a , some people have witnessed something like this or gone though it themselves, some may just have open minds, that doesn’t mean they condone it, after all regardless of the age or maturity of any person the law dictates when they are ready.
It’s not all black and white though, if they had been dating 2 or 3 years and waited until she was 16/17 before having sex would you still consider him a ? is a lot more than just under age sex.

29 Nov 2008

I do think it is disgusting for them to be given the ok to do this, but as it seems, if these 2 people where in love as they probs felt they were, even if the mother tried to stop them from seeing each other, they would have found a way. Short of locking the young girl in a basement with no windows, only lockin or unlocking from outside. It still doesnt make it acceptable tho
I was 14 when i lost mine to the person who is still my husband 17 yrs later, but even when i was married at 18 i still wouldnt do anything sexual in my parents house with them in it.

29 Nov 2008

Quote by westerross
Setting a moral standard for your children always runs the risk of driving them away but if it is done with love and support, the more balanced children will realise it and come to terms with it. If not then it can be heartbreak but still worth the risk in my view.
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I agree that teaching kids moral standards can be nothing but a good thing but what I have a problem with, based on what you said is the "worth the risk bit"?
Given that it's a consensual liaison and the parents are aware of it. What risk is there at 14 that wouldn't still be there at age 16 or age 21 etc.
Additionally what risk is there that is worth maybe permanently affecting a mother and child's relationship?
Obviously this is a phase she's going through which, if I know teenage girls, will most likely be a temporary one. And I really can't see a 22 year old staying round for too long after the sex starts getting boring, after all what do they get to talk about afterwards?
What danger is there in letting this affair go to it's logical conclusion, i.e. one or the other will get bored with the other. So long as the girl and the situation is being monitored what harm do you think is actually being done that hasn't already been done anyway?
Obviously the time to have done something radical about the situation was right at the start. Now that the relationship is more involved, so to speak, surely it would be more damaging to the girl to force her to stop than it would to allow it to continue (taking it as read that contraception and advice is given)?
Surely the most damaging aspects of paedophiles' attentions are the control, the manipulation, the violence etc. Yes technically this guy is a , but it's not as if he's conning the girl over MSN (or at least we haven't been told that he did) or putting her in actual peril.
I'm still interested in what these so called risks are.

29 Nov 2008

Quote by varca
...snip
Given that the 14 year old was in a consensual relationship with the guy, . and is wilful enough to virtually blackmail her mum into letting the guy in the house

Have to say that I've not seen this in any of the articles that I've so far read.
I'm not a "knee-jerker" and I realise that there are shades of grey between the black and white but put into a similar position, I still would not allow a 22 year old man to have sex, consensual or not, with my 14 year old daughter in my house or any where else.
So back to Peanut's question for those in the black and white camp. Hypothetically of course, what do you think the consequences of your not 'allowing' this to happen be in terms of your relationship with your daughter if the circumstances were the same?
I have no idea, it's a position I hope I never find myself in but I agree with Tune in regards to setting moral standards for our children. I would also have spoken with the 22 year old and advised, nay demanded restraint. Whilst we are being hypothetical, what if he had been 32 or 42 or 52?

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Max777
...snip
Given that the 14 year old was in a consensual relationship with the guy, . and is wilful enough to virtually blackmail her mum into letting the guy in the house

Have to say that I've not seen this in any of the articles that I've so far read.
I'm not a "knee-jerker" and I realise that there are shades of grey between the black and white but put into a similar position, I still would not allow a 22 year old man to have sex, consensual or not, with my 14 year old daughter in my house or any where else.
So back to Peanut's question for those in the black and white camp. Hypothetically of course, what do you think the consequences of your not 'allowing' this to happen be in terms of your relationship with your daughter if the circumstances were the same?
I have no idea, it's a position I hope I never find myself in but I agree with Tune in regards to setting moral standards for our children. I would also have spoken with the 22 year old and advised, nay demanded restraint. Whilst we are being hyperthetical, what if he had been 32 or 42 or 52?
His age +n would make no difference to the situation as it currently is apart from maybe having a shorter half-life.
You can only teach kids morals, you cannot force them to either believe them or practice them. This is especially so during those hormonally awkward years of adolescence.
The fact of the matter is that all of the knee-jerk brigade's comments are based on hindsight and remote detachment. Not one of them are based on common-sense or real world practicality. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot stop them dropping their knickers for the first guy who makes them feel loved or feel like an adult woman and not a child.

29 Nov 2008

one rule, as a parent expect to be told that your child hates you lol
we should not as parents do what makes life easier in the short run for us, we have to do what is best in the long term for the child.
this guy is a , ok he may not have gromed her over the internet, and he may not be physically forcing her, but we all know thats not how all pedos work.
my god the mother handed her daughter over to him on a platter.
you cannot allow a child to hold emotional blackmail over your desisions.
he was an adult. she was a child. the mother was a fool.
xxfem xx

29 Nov 2008

Quote by fem_4_taboo
one rule, as a parent expect to be told that your child hates you lol
we should not as parents do what makes life easier in the short run for us, we have to do what is best in the long term for the child.
this guy is a , ok he may not have gromed her over the internet, and he may not be physically forcing her, but we all know thats not how all pedos work.
my god the mother handed her daughter over to him on a platter.
you cannot allow a child to hold emotional blackmail over your desisions.
he was an adult. she was a child. the mother was a fool.
xxfem xx

So you're suggesting that what's best for the child is to possibly permanently affect the relationship with her mum?
It's one thing to be told you are hated and quite another to come home one day and find the kid's buggered off somewhere unknown. So how is that looking after the kid or making sure they are safe?
Of course you can't allow a kid to emotionally blackmail you... in theory. Sometimes it just cannot be avoided and as a result you have to walk a fine line between doing what's right and limiting damage.
We are talking about living, breathing, thinking people here not an automaton who carries out every command you give; and if you think you can totally control that person then you must be deranged. As a parent you can only do so much. In fact these days you can't do as much as you once could.

29 Nov 2008

No I would not allow a 22 year old man to stay here overnight with my daughter.
xx

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
Given that the 14 year old was in a consensual relationship with the guy, and is wilful enough to virtually blackmail her mum into letting the guy in the house. What do you think would be the end result of a mum shopping her daughter's boyfriend to the police? I'm not talking about the guy, he can do time and I won't shed a tear for him. What I mean is what happens to the mum/daughter relationship?

If the daughter blackmailed the Mum into allowing the 22 year old into the house and the Mum allowed it, the relationship can't really get any worse.
It also shows that the young girl is immature if she had to resort to blackmail and in my eyes, not ready to have a sexual relationship with anyone, let alone anyone ages 22.
The 22 year old really wanted to have sex with a young girl knowingly in these circumstances and thinks its acceptable???
Bugger off was it! She is a young girl wanting to experiment in sex which is expected but he is a man, he should have known better. He is the wrong do-er (sp?) big style in my opinion and if he cared enough for the girl, he should have waited.
The Mum I almost feel sorry for confused

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Dawnie

Given that the 14 year old was in a consensual relationship with the guy, and is wilful enough to virtually blackmail her mum into letting the guy in the house. What do you think would be the end result of a mum shopping her daughter's boyfriend to the police? I'm not talking about the guy, he can do time and I won't shed a tear for him. What I mean is what happens to the mum/daughter relationship?

If the daughter blackmailed the Mum into allowing the 22 year old into the house and the Mum allowed it, the relationship can't really get any worse.
It also shows that the young girl is immature if she had to resort to blackmail and in my eyes, not ready to have a sexual relationship with anyone, let alone anyone ages 22.
The 22 year old really wanted to have sex with a young girl knowingly in these circumstances and thinks its acceptable???
Bugger off was it! She is a young girl wanting to experiment in sex which is expected but he is a man, he should have known better. He is the wrong do-er (sp?) big style in my opinion and if he cared enough for the girl, he should have waited.
The Mum I almost feel sorry for confused

Yes I feel the same towards the mum, and in case people wondered I'm not defending her actions, just her reasoning which bears weight in the real world of dealing with a hormonal teenage girl.
As regards my assertion that she was blackmailed by the daughter, well I'm just reading between the lines and applying some real world experiences to interpolate. Some people aren't bad parents they are just ill-equipped emotionally to stand up to that sort of pressure.
What interests me is that I don't recall any mention of the girl's dad. This leads me to believe that this is a single mum which is a whole different dynamic.
People may be slagging off this mother but I think she did the wrong thing for the best reasons and if one can look beyond your own preconceptions of what the world should be like she has made sure her daughter was safe, albeit minus her hymen which in the scheme of things is hardly a major loss.

29 Nov 2008

I am in complete agreement with your first paragraph but the second doesn't speak for me. We are all different and will therefore react differently to situations...as the various postings in this thread will confirm. Just because my view is different to yours does not mean that my comments are devoid of common sense or real world practicality and to suggest otherwise is crass arrogance.

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Max777

You can only teach kids morals, you cannot force them to either believe them or practice them. This is especially so during those hormonally awkward years of adolescence.
The fact of the matter is that all of the knee-jerk brigade's comments are based on hindsight and remote detachment. Not one of them are based on common-sense or real world practicality. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot stop them dropping their knickers for the first guy who makes them feel loved or feel like an adult woman and not a child.

I am in complete agreement with your first paragraph but the second doesn't speak for me. We are all different and will therefore react differently to situations...as the various postings in this thread will confirm. Just because my view is different to yours does not mean that my comments are devoid of common sense or real world practicality and to suggest otherwise is crass arrogance.
Arrogant or not, in my view it's an entirely accurate observation.

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut

You can only teach kids morals, you cannot force them to either believe them or practice them. This is especially so during those hormonally awkward years of adolescence.
The fact of the matter is that all of the knee-jerk brigade's comments are based on hindsight and remote detachment. Not one of them are based on common-sense or real world practicality. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot stop them dropping their knickers for the first guy who makes them feel loved or feel like an adult woman and not a child.

I am in complete agreement with your first paragraph but the second doesn't speak for me. We are all different and will therefore react differently to situations...as the various postings in this thread will confirm. Just because my view is different to yours does not mean that my comments are devoid of common sense or real world practicality and to suggest otherwise is crass arrogance.
Arrogant or not, in my view it's an entirely accurate observation.
You're entitled to your opinion, however innaccurate it may be. wink

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Max777

You can only teach kids morals, you cannot force them to either believe them or practice them. This is especially so during those hormonally awkward years of adolescence.
The fact of the matter is that all of the knee-jerk brigade's comments are based on hindsight and remote detachment. Not one of them are based on common-sense or real world practicality. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot stop them dropping their knickers for the first guy who makes them feel loved or feel like an adult woman and not a child.

I am in complete agreement with your first paragraph but the second doesn't speak for me. We are all different and will therefore react differently to situations...as the various postings in this thread will confirm. Just because my view is different to yours does not mean that my comments are devoid of common sense or real world practicality and to suggest otherwise is crass arrogance.
Arrogant or not, in my view it's an entirely accurate observation.
You're entitled to your opinion, however innaccurate it may be. wink

If you wish to enlighten me as to which comments are practical or common-sense with regard to the particular event we are discussing I'll be happy to explain why they aren't.
Similarly I'd be more than happy to listen to your reasoning of why my opinion is inaccurate.

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut

You can only teach kids morals, you cannot force them to either believe them or practice them. This is especially so during those hormonally awkward years of adolescence.
The fact of the matter is that all of the knee-jerk brigade's comments are based on hindsight and remote detachment. Not one of them are based on common-sense or real world practicality. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot stop them dropping their knickers for the first guy who makes them feel loved or feel like an adult woman and not a child.

I am in complete agreement with your first paragraph but the second doesn't speak for me. We are all different and will therefore react differently to situations...as the various postings in this thread will confirm. Just because my view is different to yours does not mean that my comments are devoid of common sense or real world practicality and to suggest otherwise is crass arrogance.
Arrogant or not, in my view it's an entirely accurate observation.
You're entitled to your opinion, however innaccurate it may be. wink

If you wish to enlighten me as to which comments are practical or common-sense with regard to the particular event we are discussing I'll be happy to explain why they aren't.
Similarly I'd be more than happy to listen to your reasoning of why my opinion is inaccurate.
Sorry Peanut, I'm not going to bore the arse off the rest of the forum readers by aruing a point to the nth degree. I know when to stop...

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Max777
Sorry Peanut, I'm not going to bore the arse off the rest of the forum readers by aruing a point to the nth degree. I know when to stop...

Presumably at the point where you are required to backup an accusation of inaccuracy. rolleyes

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
Sorry Peanut, I'm not going to bore the arse off the rest of the forum readers by aruing a point to the nth degree. I know when to stop...

Presumably at the point where you are required to backup an accusation of inaccuracy. rolleyes

No at the point when I know that I'm getting into an argument with someone that will argue just for the sake of arguing. I really can't be arsed.

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Whipsnspurs
oh ffs can you lot stop arguing! i'm sick of coming into threads like this and no-one being able to post an opinion without someone else having a dig. it then turns into a free for all. can we not just accept that we all have our own opinions and let it go at that?
you know what, our own lives can be crap enough without thinking about what other people may think when we post our own thoughts. agree to disagree, that's what these threads are posted for, to get a cross section of opinions not for a bloody arguement!
now all calm down, take a breath, be sure of your own stance and accept that other may not agree with you!
other than that get a room and put the tension to better use!!
whips

Whinge Whinge Whinge rolleyes

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut

Setting a moral standard for your children always runs the risk of driving them away but if it is done with love and support, the more balanced children will realise it and come to terms with it. If not then it can be heartbreak but still worth the risk in my view.
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I agree that teaching kids moral standards can be nothing but a good thing but what I have a problem with, based on what you said is the "worth the risk bit"?
Given that it's a consensual liaison and the parents are aware of it. What risk is there at 14 that wouldn't still be there at age 16 or age 21 etc.
Additionally what risk is there that is worth maybe permanently affecting a mother and child's relationship?
Obviously this is a phase she's going through which, if I know teenage girls, will most likely be a temporary one. And I really can't see a 22 year old staying round for too long after the sex starts getting boring, after all what do they get to talk about afterwards?
What danger is there in letting this affair go to it's logical conclusion, i.e. one or the other will get bored with the other. So long as the girl and the situation is being monitored what harm do you think is actually being done that hasn't already been done anyway?
Obviously the time to have done something radical about the situation was right at the start. Now that the relationship is more involved, so to speak, surely it would be more damaging to the girl to force her to stop than it would to allow it to continue (taking it as read that contraception and advice is given)?
Surely the most damaging aspects of paedophiles' attentions are the control, the manipulation, the violence etc. Yes technically this guy is a , but it's not as if he's conning the girl over MSN (or at least we haven't been told that he did) or putting her in actual peril.
I'm still interested in what these so called risks are.
Taking the bold bits in order.
I think the danger of letting the relationship go to its logical conclusion is that when the next one comes along the child's expectation is that she can just do it again.
We are all looking at this with hindsight in this thread - but I was suggesting in my earlier post when I asked whether the mother had sat the 22 year old down to warn him - that she do this at the outset. So I agree that it is something that should've been tackled at the start but in a different way to the one this mother chose. I would've done that even without the benefit of hindsight.
The risks are that if your child is not able to see that what you are doing is in their best interests they will be driven away. It is very difficult to generalise on this because the risk is less if you have demonstrated love and support for the whole of the child's life and they are balanced enough to realise it. If you haven't, and then suddenly feel the need to demonstrate it, then the risk is much higher. On balance though I think it is a risk worth taking.
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29 Nov 2008

There are a lot of good points in this thread. A lot of differing opinions and some food for thought for many I'd imagine.
It would be lovely if it didn't dissolve into a sniping match cause it's Saturday night, we're all alive and there really is no need to spoil a perfectly interesting and worthy subject by being rude to each other.
To those who have shared... thank you.
I did wonder if perhaps we had overlooked the fact that things are different now than they were when I was 14. That was 21 years ago. When you could leave your house unlocked while you popped to the shops, babies were left outside the supermarket alone while their mum went in, we left home in the mornings during the holidays armed with our packed lunch, 10p for the phone and our bikes. We didn't come home till it was dinner time and no-one worried. Well perhaps they did but not in the same way we worry today.
Maybe that's just how I remember it but to me there's a very big difference between consensual and . Just my opinion. One is abuse... the other is simply part of some people's lives as it was mine.

29 Nov 2008

Can i ask the parents on here a question (and yes there is a method in my madness)
For those of you who have childern and they have BF or GF do you allow them to show a public display of affection to each other. i.e cuddle, hold hands ect?

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
oh ffs can you lot stop arguing! i'm sick of coming into threads like this and no-one being able to post an opinion without someone else having a dig. it then turns into a free for all. can we not just accept that we all have our own opinions and let it go at that?
you know what, our own lives can be crap enough without thinking about what other people may think when we post our own thoughts. agree to disagree, that's what these threads are posted for, to get a cross section of opinions not for a bloody arguement!
now all calm down, take a breath, be sure of your own stance and accept that other may not agree with you!
other than that get a room and put the tension to better use!!
whips

Whinge Whinge Whinge rolleyes

Was there a real need to say that? Let people have a say, even if you or anyone may agree or disagree?
One of the things I shall be doing though (sorry Mrs B) is editing the name from the opening post. This is not a name an shame for paedophiles (let the papers do that if they choose to), nor is it a thread about them.. and already this guy has been labelled as one in this thread confused

:?
From a personal point of view I have no idea why it was mentioned in the first place - I see a huge difference in under-age sex and .

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Dawnie

The 22 year old really wanted to have sex with a young girl knowingly in these circumstances and thinks its acceptable???

What if she lied about her age initially? I certainly know i did when i wsa younger, and i know so many young girls do to, what a status symbol to have an older boy, perhaps who drives etc etc (not why i ever lied about my age btw)
Yes, I still can't understand why on earth a 22 year old could want to date a 14 year old, but perhaps he didn't initially know?
Perhaps they got a bit cosy in their relatinship and then she admitted? Then what is he expected to do? I would imagine him being pretty torn, or perhaps thinking 'fuck it, it's done now' .
There was a programme on this week (Hollyoaks later) where a girl (15) was in a club and pulled an older guy, went back to his and lost her virginity to him. He didn't know (was he supposed to ask her for id?!) her age, it was a one night stand to him, until the girls family got involved and phoned the police.
Is he a ?
In my eyes (whether the correct 'dictionary definition' or not) a peadophile is someone who sets out with intent to destroy a childs innocence. In this case, I don't believe the guy did this.
In terms of the mother, i would not even call her a parent- she is the one that is in the wrong for openly letting them.
M xx
PS can people please take their petty argumnets to pm rather than here? Just for once maybe?
I can only wish!.....

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Whipsnspurs
Can i ask the parents on here a question (and yes there is a method in my madness)
For those of you who have childern and they have BF or GF do you allow them to show a public display of affection to each other. i.e cuddle, hold hands ect?

my son is a really good looking boy who always has a girlfriend. he has been brought up to be able to show his feelings and so yes i'm happy to see him kiss/cuddle/hold hands with his girlfriends. however, if he asked me to bring them home and have sex in my house he would be told no no matter what age they are!
whips
Thank you for your reply whips and but are you aware that under the new Sexual Offences Act 2003 this is now a criminal offence

The following activities are criminal under the Act and liable to prosecution:
a. Two consenting young people (gay and straight) who engage in sexual activity under the age of consent. Sexual activity will include heavy petting and most public displays of affection.
b. Parents who allow young people the privacy of their own rooms and consenting sexual activity occurs - this includes heavy petting.

29 Nov 2008

Quote by Whipsnspurs
Can i ask the parents on here a question (and yes there is a method in my madness)
For those of you who have childern and they have BF or GF do you allow them to show a public display of affection to each other. i.e cuddle, hold hands ect?

my son is a really good looking boy who always has a girlfriend. he has been brought up to be able to show his feelings and so yes i'm happy to see him kiss/cuddle/hold hands with his girlfriends. however, if he asked me to bring them home and have sex in my house he would be told no no matter what age they are!
whips
Thank you for your reply whips and but are you aware that under the new Sexual Offences Act 2003 this is now a criminal offence

The following activities are criminal under the Act and liable to prosecution:
a. Two consenting young people (gay and straight) who engage in sexual activity under the age of consent. Sexual activity will include heavy petting and most public displays of affection.b. Parents who allow young people the privacy of their own rooms and consenting sexual activity occurs - this includes heavy petting.

i really don't see how what he does is concidered heavey petting. but if anyone wants to take me to court over what i let him do they are more than welcome. i'm just in the mood for a good fight.
whips
No the bit in bold

29 Nov 2008

If the above are items of law, the british legal system should be clearer of it what it means by certain elements within that law.
what is 'heavy petting'?... something American as far as I know, and what constitutes 'public display of affection'?
clarity is needed...
also further above is mentioned the , and under age sex.
isnt under age sexan act were both participants are under age?
this thread was started whereby one participant was uner age, and the other a legal adult... so isn't that ?
no need to correct my spelling or grammar thanks... you know what I mean.
lp