no doubt about it i would get involved
sometimes i wish i would not get involved
but its the way i am
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Would you intervene?
I was walking home from a community organised New Year Eve’s party with five teenagers (16 and 13yrs both genders) and a toddler in a pushchair. Parents were lagging behind chatting and we were walking way ahead of the rest. As we turned a corner and went out of sight of the rest of our party we came across a badly beaten up women lying on the ground.
Still holding onto the pushchair I bent down to see if I could help her etc. As I stood up to find my mobile phone to call for an ambulance I saw two guys about ten yards in front of us. Thinking they seen what happened and where coming to help I asked if they knew her name or saw what happened.
Next thing I knew, the two guys pounced on me and one of the young people and started laying into us. In the scuffle I let go of the pushchair (not much you can do when your head is being slammed against a car bonnet really), one of the other teens tried to get the guys off of us both so ended up with three of us trying to fight these guys off.
In the meantime the others were screaming for Mums and Dads who raced round the corner, saw what was happening…resulting in a free for all. One of the guys ran away and brought another one to join in. All this continued for over two hours, by then people had come out of houses and were looking after young people, the injured woman and by then others who were badly cut and bruised in the scuffle.
The police and ambulance finally turned up nearly three hours later. We found out the next day (via the grapevine) that one of the two guys was the woman’s husband and the other her ex husband, they were the ones who beat her up! Even though she had a broken jaw and awful cuts to her neck, she wouldn’t name or charge the guys. They were never caught.
Over the years because of my work, I’ve been in many threatening and at times dangerous situations with young people present and on my own. I have always managed to ensure everyone is safe from harm, myself included. Perhaps I’ve grown too confident? Or maybe as it was in another part of the country I’m not familiar with I thought it wouldn’t happen in such a quiet place. Or was I just unlucky that night?
Would I stop and help a woman (or anyone else) in distress again…… I would yes, but I would certainly do things differently if I have young people or children with me.
It’s a sad world at times init?
xanaisx
Still holding onto the pushchair I bent down to see if I could help her etc. As I stood up to find my mobile phone to call for an ambulance I saw two guys about ten yards in front of us. Thinking they seen what happened and where coming to help I asked if they knew her name or saw what happened.
Next thing I knew, the two guys pounced on me and one of the young people and started laying into us. In the scuffle I let go of the pushchair (not much you can do when your head is being slammed against a car bonnet really), one of the other teens tried to get the guys off of us both so ended up with three of us trying to fight these guys off.
In the meantime the others were screaming for Mums and Dads who raced round the corner, saw what was happening…resulting in a free for all. One of the guys ran away and brought another one to join in. All this continued for over two hours, by then people had come out of houses and were looking after young people, the injured woman and by then others who were badly cut and bruised in the scuffle.
The police and ambulance finally turned up nearly three hours later. We found out the next day (via the grapevine) that one of the two guys was the woman’s husband and the other her ex husband, they were the ones who beat her up! Even though she had a broken jaw and awful cuts to her neck, she wouldn’t name or charge the guys. They were never caught.
Over the years because of my work, I’ve been in many threatening and at times dangerous situations with young people present and on my own. I have always managed to ensure everyone is safe from harm, myself included. Perhaps I’ve grown too confident? Or maybe as it was in another part of the country I’m not familiar with I thought it wouldn’t happen in such a quiet place. Or was I just unlucky that night?
Would I stop and help a woman (or anyone else) in distress again…… I would yes, but I would certainly do things differently if I have young people or children with me.
It’s a sad world at times init?
xanaisx
Sex God
OMG anais that's awful.......well done you for doing what you could in such a situation.....although I'd have guessed you weren't the sort to take the backseat when it comes to something like that. How evil are those men to not only do that but to continue that level of violence in front of small children 
Casanova
Anais im realy lost for words 
If it wasnt for people like you the world would be a far worse place :rose:
Over the years because of my work, I’ve been in many threatening and at times dangerous situations with young people present and on my own. I have always managed to ensure everyone is safe from harm, myself included. Perhaps I’ve grown too confident? Or maybe as it was in another part of the country I’m not familiar with I thought it wouldn’t happen in such a quiet place. Or was I just unlucky that night?
I think in situations like that its easy to be caught off guard,after all who would have expected that situation ffs.
Ive spent years working with mental health clients who can quite often turn and become aggressive...but you are aware that it can and all too often does occur, so are in some way prepared and looking for the signs. I would also be aware that my clients are suffering from mental health issues and to expect the unexpected.
But how on earth can you have expected that situation to occur....in one answer you couldnt!
As for the rest thats just pants!!
:x :x And makes a mockery out of the police and law in this country imo,and all too often the innocent people end up paying the price!
Would I stop and help a woman (or anyone else) in distress again…… I would yes, but I would certainly do things differently if I have young people or children with me.
It’s a sad world at times init?[
It is a sad world,with some sad people in it but im so glad that you are still willing to stand up for what you believe in and thats what makes you you, makes you special and gives us the faith that the worlds not all bad :inlove:
Nicky
If it wasnt for people like you the world would be a far worse place :rose: Over the years because of my work, I’ve been in many threatening and at times dangerous situations with young people present and on my own. I have always managed to ensure everyone is safe from harm, myself included. Perhaps I’ve grown too confident? Or maybe as it was in another part of the country I’m not familiar with I thought it wouldn’t happen in such a quiet place. Or was I just unlucky that night?
I think in situations like that its easy to be caught off guard,after all who would have expected that situation ffs.
Ive spent years working with mental health clients who can quite often turn and become aggressive...but you are aware that it can and all too often does occur, so are in some way prepared and looking for the signs. I would also be aware that my clients are suffering from mental health issues and to expect the unexpected.
But how on earth can you have expected that situation to occur....in one answer you couldnt!
As for the rest thats just pants!!
:x :x And makes a mockery out of the police and law in this country imo,and all too often the innocent people end up paying the price!Would I stop and help a woman (or anyone else) in distress again…… I would yes, but I would certainly do things differently if I have young people or children with me.
It’s a sad world at times init?[
It is a sad world,with some sad people in it but im so glad that you are still willing to stand up for what you believe in and thats what makes you you, makes you special and gives us the faith that the worlds not all bad :inlove:
Nicky
Sex God
Quote by mdr2000
I agree about the have a go hero syndrome but surely if we all took a stance to some degree we all benifit.. I know as long as I'm fit and able i would without a doubt make a stance against these thugs to whatever degree I was able, no way would I just make it easy. Think back in time, its the apathy of people now thats allowing this to happen anyway.. No way in a million years would people just a few generations ago have sit back and allow a man to be mugged in front of them.. as such it rarely if ever happened through fear of a lynch mob! Give these little bullies a taste of there own medicine while we still can. No good relying on the police they have no power we all know that. We have power as people to change the way things have gone..
Ok rant over lol....
Mike xx
Yes we should all do are bit. That does not mean in anyway replacing the police.
As for the police having no power. Police power is in evidence, the more evidence the more the police can do. So the very least that each of us can do is report an offence and give evidence in court.
Sex God
Quote by keeno
I agree about the have a go hero syndrome but surely if we all took a stance to some degree we all benifit.. I know as long as I'm fit and able i would without a doubt make a stance against these thugs to whatever degree I was able, no way would I just make it easy. Think back in time, its the apathy of people now thats allowing this to happen anyway.. No way in a million years would people just a few generations ago have sit back and allow a man to be mugged in front of them.. as such it rarely if ever happened through fear of a lynch mob! Give these little bullies a taste of there own medicine while we still can. No good relying on the police they have no power we all know that. We have power as people to change the way things have gone..
Ok rant over lol....
Mike xx
I can't remember the quote but it something like:
All it takes for evil to flourish is good men to do nothing
It is normally translated as, " For evil to flourish the good must do nothing" Chinese I think.
Sex God
Quote by anais
I...The police and ambulance finally turned up nearly three hours later. We found out the next day (via the grapevine) that one of the two guys was the woman’s husband and the other her ex husband, they were the ones who beat her up! Even though she had a broken jaw and awful cuts to her neck, she wouldn’t name or charge the guys. They were never caught.
...xanaisx
I do have to ask, did anyone call the police?
As for charges against the husbands, it is now possible to charge assault without a complainant. However without evidence, the case will be unsuccessful.
Sex God
Interesting subject this.
Would I? In a word, yes
However a word of caution, when confronted by any sort of ‘situation’ it is most important that you immediately “switch on”, be aware of your surroundings, take a good look around you and do not just react, stay calm and stay awake. All too often what seems like a situation of an injured person laying on the ground, is in fact just bait. It’s always possible that around the corner, in a doorway, behind a hedge accomplices will be waiting to pounce on the unsuspecting. This is especially relevant when coming across a stranded motorist / hitch hiker etc.
When going to anyone’s assistance be vigilant and knock your brain up a gear. Expect the unexpected and be ready to react swiftly and decisively and don’t muck about. If you are attacked or surprised, do not be indecisive, firstly you need to quickly establish if there is an avenue of escape, if there is, run like hell and keep running but still be aware of your surroundings. Do not run off wildly in any direction as you could end up getting cornered. If at all possible head for the more densely populated, well lit areas, preferably where there are premises that are likely to be open and seek help as quickly as possible.
If there is no escape, then don’t do anything half hearted. Spend a few seconds trying to defuse the situation, if that is possible it will happen very quickly, or not at all so don’t waste too much time, if someone is intent on a physical attack upon you, all the words in the world are unlikely to stop them. So again, be decisive, hit them and hit them hard, and keep hitting them until an avenue of escape presents itself, then see above. If there is anything around that can be used as a weapon, use it, don’t worry about what damage you might do, these people are out to hurt you and you have to take the initiative, remember this, it’s better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
To temper the above, even in the height of the action, stay aware of what’s going on, and the second the opportunity presents itself, get the hell out of there, do not allow yourself to get caught up in the moment of combat, believe it or not the mind and body will actually try to block out your peripherals whilst concentrating on its target, don’t let it, there are laws about self defence, and much of it revolves around “minimum force required” and have no doubt that in nine cases out of ten, if the powers that be can prove you used excessive force, even though you were the injured / attacked party, you will be prosecuted.
Thankfully attitudes within law enforcement agencies in the UK are beginning to change on the subject of self defence, but I think it will be a long time yet before we can defend ourselves without fear of prosecution.
Once it feels safe to do so, call the police, and use the 999 system, you may feel that because you know the number of the local / nearest station you may get a quicker response, not so. The local station is not obliged to react to a call from the public, the 999 system is, and they are legally obliged to react to a 999 call, to the extent that should you feel the police reaction was unreasonably slow, you will have recourse through the complaints procedures system. All 999 calls are recorded and made available to investigations.
( all the above is the opinion of the author and in no way should be taken as instruction or direction)
IMHO :thumbup:
Would I? In a word, yes
However a word of caution, when confronted by any sort of ‘situation’ it is most important that you immediately “switch on”, be aware of your surroundings, take a good look around you and do not just react, stay calm and stay awake. All too often what seems like a situation of an injured person laying on the ground, is in fact just bait. It’s always possible that around the corner, in a doorway, behind a hedge accomplices will be waiting to pounce on the unsuspecting. This is especially relevant when coming across a stranded motorist / hitch hiker etc.
When going to anyone’s assistance be vigilant and knock your brain up a gear. Expect the unexpected and be ready to react swiftly and decisively and don’t muck about. If you are attacked or surprised, do not be indecisive, firstly you need to quickly establish if there is an avenue of escape, if there is, run like hell and keep running but still be aware of your surroundings. Do not run off wildly in any direction as you could end up getting cornered. If at all possible head for the more densely populated, well lit areas, preferably where there are premises that are likely to be open and seek help as quickly as possible.
If there is no escape, then don’t do anything half hearted. Spend a few seconds trying to defuse the situation, if that is possible it will happen very quickly, or not at all so don’t waste too much time, if someone is intent on a physical attack upon you, all the words in the world are unlikely to stop them. So again, be decisive, hit them and hit them hard, and keep hitting them until an avenue of escape presents itself, then see above. If there is anything around that can be used as a weapon, use it, don’t worry about what damage you might do, these people are out to hurt you and you have to take the initiative, remember this, it’s better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
To temper the above, even in the height of the action, stay aware of what’s going on, and the second the opportunity presents itself, get the hell out of there, do not allow yourself to get caught up in the moment of combat, believe it or not the mind and body will actually try to block out your peripherals whilst concentrating on its target, don’t let it, there are laws about self defence, and much of it revolves around “minimum force required” and have no doubt that in nine cases out of ten, if the powers that be can prove you used excessive force, even though you were the injured / attacked party, you will be prosecuted.
Thankfully attitudes within law enforcement agencies in the UK are beginning to change on the subject of self defence, but I think it will be a long time yet before we can defend ourselves without fear of prosecution.
Once it feels safe to do so, call the police, and use the 999 system, you may feel that because you know the number of the local / nearest station you may get a quicker response, not so. The local station is not obliged to react to a call from the public, the 999 system is, and they are legally obliged to react to a 999 call, to the extent that should you feel the police reaction was unreasonably slow, you will have recourse through the complaints procedures system. All 999 calls are recorded and made available to investigations.
( all the above is the opinion of the author and in no way should be taken as instruction or direction)
IMHO :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by anais
Thanks for your wise answers
Pete good advice!
T-man, yes one of the Mums did and stayed on the phone with them for twenty minutes or so on two occassions.
Difficuilt situation when a lot is happening all at once, angry parents and a screaming child/young people.
xanaisx
Then I am disappointed that help did not arrive quicker. The police do sometime have trouble locating an incident, but 3hr is unacceptable.
As for Pete, not bad advice.
Sex God
Quote by browning
I would not get involved, it could lead to all sorts of trouble for me and the criminal has more rights than me.
It's the way this country is now. :cry:
The fact is a criminal has the same right as you. More correctly an accused has the same rights, as he/she is innocent until proven guilty. I would have it no other way!
...but once found guilty, we should hang a few.
Sex God
Surprised no-one has yet mentioned Chief Moo.
Sorry, not got time to relate the story of find the thread but that was a salutary tale about stepping in and getting involved.
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Sorry, not got time to relate the story of find the thread but that was a salutary tale about stepping in and getting involved.
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Sex God
Quote by westerross
Surprised no-one has yet mentioned Chief Moo.
Sorry, not got time to relate the story of find the thread but that was a salutary tale about stepping in and getting involved.
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Moose was a bit of a Charlie.
Sex God
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Surprised no-one has yet mentioned Chief Moo.
Sorry, not got time to relate the story of find the thread but that was a salutary tale about stepping in and getting involved.
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Moose was a bit of a Charlie.
Care to elucidate?
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A couple of years ago, in a sociology class we were studying the so called "by stander effect." The example we were given was that of Kitty Genovese- it was truly shocking. Hearing that was enough to ensure that I would never stand by and do nothing assuming thta someone else would.
Take a look here for a brief explanation :
Take a look here for a brief explanation :
Anyone who's interested in or has been affected by this topic may want to tune into Panorama, BBC2 on Monday evening @ 8:30pm.
It's a kind of 'what would you do?' documentary and should make good viewing. Sadly it's only on for 30 minutes.
Jeremy Vine tours the country to discover how people deal with anti-social behaviour and violent crime in their areas. He examines cases involving Barry Ledger from Stoke-on-Trent, who tackled an armed robber, and Sunderland man Tom Noble, killed when he tried to break up a fight between teenagers
It's a kind of 'what would you do?' documentary and should make good viewing. Sadly it's only on for 30 minutes.
Sex God
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Surprised no-one has yet mentioned Chief Moo.
Sorry, not got time to relate the story of find the thread but that was a salutary tale about stepping in and getting involved.
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Moose was a bit of a Charles Moose held on to information about the Washington belt snipers for at lease a day. I guess h did not wish to intervene.
Sex God
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Surprised no-one has yet mentioned Chief Moo.
Sorry, not got time to relate the story of find the thread but that was a salutary tale about stepping in and getting involved.
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Moose was a bit of a Charles Moose held on to information about the Washington belt snipers for at lease a day. I guess h did not wish to intervene.
Chief Moo was a member on here who intervened when a woman was being assaulted in the street. He was turned on by the male and by the woman being beaten up. He was stabbed and hospitalised.
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I would jump up and down
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Anyone who's interested in or has been affected by this topic may want to tune into Panorama, BBC2 on Monday evening @ 8:30pm.
Jeremy Vine tours the country to discover how people deal with anti-social behaviour and violent crime in their areas. He examines cases involving Barry Ledger from Stoke-on-Trent, who tackled an armed robber, and Sunderland man Tom Noble, killed when he tried to break up a fight between teenagers
It's a kind of 'what would you do?' documentary and should make good viewing. Sadly it's only on for 30 minutes.
:smug: :smug: :smug:
Sex God
Quote by Freckledbird
Surprised no-one has yet mentioned Chief Moo.
Sorry, not got time to relate the story of find the thread but that was a salutary tale about stepping in and getting involved.
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Moose was a bit of a Charles Moose held on to information about the Washington belt snipers for at lease a day. I guess h did not wish to intervene.
Chief Moo was a member on here who intervened when a woman was being assaulted in the street. He was turned on by the male and by the woman being beaten up. He was stabbed and hospitalised.
Sorry. I did not know that. 
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Orgasminator
No I wouldnt. I'd like to, and it shouldnt be like it is but it's just not safe.
My best friends brother was beaten to death in front of her in Manchester 2 years ago. She was held back by one of them and told if she tried anything she'd get the same. 2 bouncers at a nearby club saw what was going on and all they did was shut the club doors :shock:
*Her*
My best friends brother was beaten to death in front of her in Manchester 2 years ago. She was held back by one of them and told if she tried anything she'd get the same. 2 bouncers at a nearby club saw what was going on and all they did was shut the club doors :shock:
*Her*
Quote by couplefunuk
No I wouldnt. I'd like to, and it shouldnt be like it is but it's just not safe.
My best friends brother was beaten to death in front of her in Manchester 2 years ago. She was held back by one of them and told if she tried anything she'd get the same. 2 bouncers at a nearby club saw what was going on and all they did was shut the club doors :shock:
*Her*
That's truly horrific
In that sort of situation the power to do anything is taken away (although the bouncers could have done something
) and I dread to think how it must have affected your friend :(I have intervened in the past and will more than likely do so in the future. I dislike violence, bullying and intimidation immensly and very often I will react to a situation without stopping to think clearly ( I have recently learnt that we do think in situations even when we only seem to react, but that's another thread). Training I have received allows me to make a swift risk assessment and further training enables me to (usually) be able to take control of/diffuse the situation.
I think it's mainly my detest of people who victimise others (the wife beater/schoolyard bully/gang of pissed blokes) that triggers a reaction. I'm not particularly 'hard', but I have strong beliefs and where I can help, I will.
I worked as a doorman for 5 yrs full time and you cannot get involved with anything off the premisies, the insurance will not cover you. The doorman could have got involved, broke up the fight, hit one of the bad guy's and get in all sort's of trouble. I know it's not right, but real world i'm afraid.
