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I was a pondering (again rolleyes ) whilst sitting in the GU clinic today - what is your experience of them, what do you think they (staff at clinics) think of swinging?
I ask because: I would have assumed they would be pretty aware of swinging. We've had two check ups since starting swinging a year ago and each time we present ourselves as responsible swingers asking to be checked despite being asymptomatic. Three times I was asked the questions "Are you asymptomatic?" as if I was in the minority. Do people use them only if they have presenting symptoms? Are we responsible swingers practising safe(r) sex and being regularly checked in the minority?
As the doc was asking me questions, she looked at her notes from my first visit and said "So you're still going to these parties?" Is she assuming swinging is all car keys parties? Do they really know about our lifestyle?
Side issue: And I'm always scared s***less that I'll meet someone I know, Blue and I always go together as we really feel we want to be "together" - I'd hate anyone to ever think I was being unfaithful, but if we got found out it would be even tricker.
To summarise, I'd like your views. We have found them to be non judgmental, discreet, extremely friendly, but not overly informative I have to say.
pink x
p.s. This is another subject I think is not aired enough, when I was a lurker I found researching safe sex really hard to find good info
we went a while ago 4 check up just 2 b on safe side n b responsible. The staff were fantastic, helpful, and didnt even look up from her notes when she asked why the check up lol xx
Interesting thread.
I may add more later.... but to start with. I dislike them because I hate being poked about. I dislike the questions about whether my previous sexual partner was my boyfriend etc.. and the one before and the one before. I go on my own as my g/f lives 40 miles away. But if she didn't then I would take her with me too. I think that it is lovely that you both go together.
I do find them pretty dispassionate and non nonjudgmental but I do feel awkward.
It is a necessary 'evil' with this lifestyle. I do practice safe sex. But condoms are not infallible and I do have oral sex without condoms/dental dams.
The gum clinic do 'know' me now as I use the same initials etc every time I go. Since being in the lifestyle (20 months ish- fucking men for 12 months)I have been 3 times.
splendid
i have always gone regulary to my local clinic and have found it to be a not totaly unpleasant but very necessary trip and think that even if you display no symptoms it doesnt mean much till you get the test results to confirm things. i have a coil fitted and regulary get bacterial infections associated from it and get the treatment needed to clear it up and also get my smears done there as well. the only time i have ever come away not totaly happy was from my first visit when they ask all the awkward questions. how often, how many different partners etc. but the worst question i felt most insulted by was the "do you get payed?" question. i dont think the staff realise about the lifstyle totaly but the clinic i go to try their best to be non judgmental and helpful and even advised me to get hep injections which are usualy only offered to carers and hospital staff etc.
My experience of anyone working in health and care, is that they are usually extremely busy. Ideally they wish to attend to people who have had the misfortune to incur an accident or illness.
But often the hospitals and clinics find that they are inundated by the results of careless and irresponsible behaviour. Especially nowadays the effects of binge drinking and subsequent violence that seems to accompany it.
So don't be surprised if you detect a certain amount of disdain from the staff, if you consider strolling into a clinic, like it is a convenience; and announcing that your worries are founded on your 'recreational' activities. They don't actually feel inspired to help you out, but they do their duty in a professional manner. Which inevitably includes asking specific and relevant questions.
So they are generally polite and professional, but they are human and equally prone to feeling that their skills are often taken for granted and abused uneccesarily on occasion.
The first time I went with a friend and swinger so didn't feel so self-conscious - although we did giggle a lot in the waiting room!
I found the staff pretty ok really although the lady dealing with me did ask me about the "lifestyle" and why would I be involved in it. I told her matter of factly that I just want nsa sex, no relationship. I didn't feel the need to go into any great detail and she was happy with that.
Once the questions were out the way, the examination and blood tests were pretty straightforward, no hassle.
I've been again since and it's pretty much the same - in and out without any fuss.
If anyone got judgemental with me, I'd make a complaint. They're there to do a job not offer thier opinion.
the first ever time i went to the GU clinic was before i was a swinger and i went on my own really nervous about going i was but once in the waiting room was "suprised" to see couples and older people (older as in quite alot older i was 18 at the time),,,
in my own mind i had some how come to the conclusion everyone would be under 25 etc etc the embarrasment facter suddenly rose again when i was shown into the room told to take my bottoms of and sit on the bed then the door opens and in walks my part time tutor from college :shock: who was also a nurse :eeek: needless to say i nearly died but it was never mentioned at college or anywhere again about me being there so :thumbup: for descretion
The first time I went to a GUM clinic was because I was suffering from Bacterial Vaginosis(similar to thrush) they suggested I go and have further tests, I personally thought the questions they asked didnt relate to why I had gone in the first place, I too found there were people of all ages there, I found the staff to be interested in my answers to their questions and as I wasnt expecting the questions they were asking about my sex life and preferences I felt a bit uncomfortable.
The 2nd time I went was with my niece she had gone through something not very nice so had to have some tests done, the staff were brilliant with her but I did find that some of the other patients looked as if she was way too young to be there ( but may have been me being paranoid)
Quote by duncanlondon
My experience of anyone working in health and care, is that they are usually extremely busy.
So they are generally polite and professional, but they are human and equally prone to feeling that their skills are often taken for granted and abused uneccesarily on occasion.

Duncan not sure if I've read and interpreted this right. Yes, I can see your point, it's like people that clog up a GP's surgery with colds. BUT and this is a big but - surely as in preventive medicine, we are using the service to protect ourselves and prevent catching something and spreading it far wider thus clogging up the system even more with emergency reactive servicing.
How can that be construed as being taken for granted or abused? Using such an example purely for similarity not the subject matter itself - can the same be applied to abortions rather than encouraging the use of contraception? Is asking for contraception abusing a system? No of course it isn't. It's preventive, safe, responsible action.
pink x
My experience very much follows on from what DuncanLondon said.
The last time I went to a clinic, they were not very keen to do any checks at all based on my "lifestyle choice". They wanted symptoms, or they weren't very interested in doing a full range of tests. I actually had to insist that they test me, on the basis that I had had sex with someone who contacted us to say that she had caught an STD. Thankfully, we were in the clear.
I think that from now on, I'll be going to the one of the private clinics where you pay to get tests done - at least you don't have to explain anything to them - you pay them, they do the tests. Simple. (This is from the experience of someone I know who went private last time.)
Quote by phil_osopher
My experience very much follows on from what DuncanLondon said.
The last time I went to a clinic, they were not very keen to do any checks at all based on my "lifestyle choice". They wanted symptoms, or they weren't very interested in doing a full range of tests. I actually had to insist that they test me, on the basis that I had had sex with someone who contacted us to say that she had caught an STD. Thankfully, we were in the clear.
I think that from now on, I'll be going to the one of the private clinics where you pay to get tests done - at least you don't have to explain anything to them - you pay them, they do the tests. Simple. (This is from the experience of someone I know who went private last time.)

I just wanted to pick up on on the point about testing when symptoms are present.
It was my understanding that alot os STIs are syptomless for alot of people, there for getting checked without showing any signs or symptoms is a huge nessecity. For example I worked with a lady who didn`t know for years that she had picked up chlmidya (sp?) it had caused pelvic inflamotory dieaese and left her needing fertility treatment. Her husband was also infected and he also showed no symptoms!.
I visited a GUM clinic when I was about 15 and it was a hurrendus experience, the nurse was rude, extreamly uncaring and quite rough. It put me off ever returning. When I've found myself in need of a check up I have visited my local gp who has done it no questions asked.
the thought that you have taken yourself to the gum clinic should be enought for the professionals to see you are responsible enough to care about your body and there fore show you respect as to having tests done after all no one goes there just for fun do they unless they want the free condoms :shock:
just my perceptions
and agree with lyns about many stis/stds having no symptoms to show and that is worrying as many people assume they will have symptoms
Seems to me that there's a gap between the policy makers and the practitioners.
THe policy makers tell everyone to go and get tested regularly, and when you do turn up at the GUM, they ask you what you're doing there!
dunno
Quote by lyns
My experience very much follows on from what DuncanLondon said.
The last time I went to a clinic, they were not very keen to do any checks at all based on my "lifestyle choice". They wanted symptoms, or they weren't very interested in doing a full range of tests. I actually had to insist that they test me, on the basis that I had had sex with someone who contacted us to say that she had caught an STD. Thankfully, we were in the clear.
I think that from now on, I'll be going to the one of the private clinics where you pay to get tests done - at least you don't have to explain anything to them - you pay them, they do the tests. Simple. (This is from the experience of someone I know who went private last time.)

I just wanted to pick up on on the point about testing when symptoms are present.
It was my understanding that alot os STIs are syptomless for alot of people, there for getting checked without showing any signs or symptoms is a huge nessecity. For example I worked with a lady who didn`t know for years that she had picked up chlmidya (sp?) it had caused pelvic inflamotory dieaese and left her needing fertility treatment. Her husband was also infected and he also showed no symptoms!.
I visited a GUM clinic when I was about 15 and it was a hurrendus experience, the nurse was rude, extreamly uncaring and quite rough. It put me off ever returning. When I've found myself in need of a check up I have visited my local gp who has done it no questions asked.
but as a thought tho if you do get any thing it goes on your permanant record if you get tested at your gp. and could affect things like insurance etc if the check up on medical records
Quote by Sara_2006
My experience very much follows on from what DuncanLondon said.
The last time I went to a clinic, they were not very keen to do any checks at all based on my "lifestyle choice". They wanted symptoms, or they weren't very interested in doing a full range of tests. I actually had to insist that they test me, on the basis that I had had sex with someone who contacted us to say that she had caught an STD. Thankfully, we were in the clear.
I think that from now on, I'll be going to the one of the private clinics where you pay to get tests done - at least you don't have to explain anything to them - you pay them, they do the tests. Simple. (This is from the experience of someone I know who went private last time.)

I just wanted to pick up on on the point about testing when symptoms are present.
It was my understanding that alot os STIs are syptomless for alot of people, there for getting checked without showing any signs or symptoms is a huge nessecity. For example I worked with a lady who didn`t know for years that she had picked up chlmidya (sp?) it had caused pelvic inflamotory dieaese and left her needing fertility treatment. Her husband was also infected and he also showed no symptoms!.
I visited a GUM clinic when I was about 15 and it was a hurrendus experience, the nurse was rude, extreamly uncaring and quite rough. It put me off ever returning. When I've found myself in need of a check up I have visited my local gp who has done it no questions asked.
but as a thought tho if you do get any thing it goes on your permanant record if you get tested at your gp. and could affect things like insurance etc if the check up on medical records
I`m not sure about that and I never asked as I had the all clear.
It was a sexual health clinic that the gp was running so I don`t kno if that makes any difference dunno.
Quote by blueandpink
My experience of anyone working in health and care, is that they are usually extremely busy.
So they are generally polite and professional, but they are human and equally prone to feeling that their skills are often taken for granted and abused uneccesarily on occasion.

Duncan not sure if I've read and interpreted this right. Yes, I can see your point, it's like people that clog up a GP's surgery with colds. BUT and this is a big but - surely as in preventive medicine, we are using the service to protect ourselves and prevent catching something and spreading it far wider thus clogging up the system even more with emergency reactive servicing.
How can that be construed as being taken for granted or abused? Using such an example purely for similarity not the subject matter itself - can the same be applied to abortions rather than encouraging the use of contraception? Is asking for contraception abusing a system? No of course it isn't. It's preventive, safe, responsible action.
pink x
One shouldn't use the service to protect yourself. You use condoms etc. One should not be contemplating that visiting a clinic after the event is in some way getting brownie points in the fight against spreading an infection. This is where the abuse occurs.
If one is an active sexual adventurer, its par for the course to accept that if you stray off the path you are responsible for your actions.
Of course you have to get treatment, but the staff in the clinics recognise careless repeat visitors, and its no wonder they don't treat you with a great deal of respect. You may cause them to do unnecessary work; if you prove negative on the assumption that you have overindulged and been irresponsible.
So as I said they do professional job, but they would rather be treating people who have genuinely been victims, not cruisers and tourists who blunder into a new crisis.
All my visits have proven negative, and I really wish I hadn't wasted their time. Also I suspect that many people just wouldn't bother with checkups if they had to pay for them.
Quote by duncanlondon
My experience of anyone working in health and care, is that they are usually extremely busy.
So they are generally polite and professional, but they are human and equally prone to feeling that their skills are often taken for granted and abused uneccesarily on occasion.

Duncan not sure if I've read and interpreted this right. Yes, I can see your point, it's like people that clog up a GP's surgery with colds. BUT and this is a big but - surely as in preventive medicine, we are using the service to protect ourselves and prevent catching something and spreading it far wider thus clogging up the system even more with emergency reactive servicing.
How can that be construed as being taken for granted or abused? Using such an example purely for similarity not the subject matter itself - can the same be applied to abortions rather than encouraging the use of contraception? Is asking for contraception abusing a system? No of course it isn't. It's preventive, safe, responsible action.
pink x
One shouldn't use the service to protect yourself. You use condoms etc. One should not be contemplating that visiting a clinic after the event is in some way getting brownie points in the fight against spreading an infection. This is where the abuse occurs.
If one is an active sexual adventurer, its par for the course to accept that if you stray off the path you are responsible for your actions.
Of course you have to get treatment, but the staff in the clinics recognise careless repeat visitors, and its no wonder they don't treat you with a great deal of respect. You may cause them to do unnecessary work; if you prove negative on the assumption that you have overindulged and been irresponsible.
So as I said they do professional job, but they would rather be treating people who have genuinely been victims, not cruisers and tourists who blunder into a new crisis.
All my visits have proven negative, and I really wish I hadn't wasted their time. Also I suspect that many people just wouldn't bother with checkups if they had to pay for them.
I find the part of your post (in bold) a little offensive.
They are paid to do the job that they chose to do. Regardless of how many times I visited a clinic I would still expect to be treated with dignity and respect and I certainly wouldn`t expect to be judged.
Quote by lyns
I find the part of your post (in bold) a little offensive.
They are paid to do the job that they chose to do. Regardless of how many times I visited a clinic I would still expect to be treated with dignity and respect and I certainly wouldn`t expect to be judged.

Here here Lyns, they choose to do the job, and are not forced into it, (similar to those staff that work in termination clinics, which I have done myself)
They should treat all clients (patients) with care and compassion, no matter what their own private views. They are after all in the health service....which is the caringprofession, and have an obligation to treat everyone with repect.
Quote by duncanlondon
One shouldn't use the service to protect yourself. You use condoms etc. One should not be contemplating that visiting a clinic after the event is in some way getting brownie points in the fight against spreading an infection. This is where the abuse occurs.
If one is an active sexual adventurer, its par for the course to accept that if you stray off the path you are responsible for your actions.
Of course you have to get treatment, but the staff in the clinics recognise careless repeat visitors, and its no wonder they don't treat you with a great deal of respect. You may cause them to do unnecessary work; if you prove negative on the assumption that you have overindulged and been irresponsible.
So as I said they do professional job, but they would rather be treating people who have genuinely been victims, not cruisers and tourists who blunder into a new crisis.
All my visits have proven negative, and I really wish I hadn't wasted their time. Also I suspect that many people just wouldn't bother with checkups if they had to pay for them.

Think we're at odds here Duncan and I am not really sure I understand what you're saying. You seem to be talking about swingers being irresponsible and reckless. Yes naturally 'victims' (assuming you mean people having had sex against their will) should take priority but there is always a place for check ups/MOT's in every area of healthcare, particularly when it is proven all over healthcare that prevention is better than cure. It's not a case of getting brownie points, it's about caring about the community we live in and taking responsible action.
I am really surprised and to hear your views (and the experience of Phil_osopher) particularly about wishing you hadn't bothered staff when receiving negative tests. Surely that's the whole point? Would you have felt better if there was a positive test so you weren't wasting their time? Why should we adults who choose to swing be treated any differently to sexually active teenagers and young adults?
We always use condoms and practise safe(r) sex, but we all know it is not truly safe even by doing this. I am not saying we have unprotected sex, panic and go to the clinic. I am saying we use it as a back up to responsible (or as responsible as we can be in this lifestyle). Yes that is open to abuse I am sure but this is not what this thread is about.
Of course careless repeat visitors are annoying for staff, that is the case in all walks of life where people don't take responsibility, but I am talking about responsible swinging, where we practise safe sex with condoms (yes I know not everyone does but I am particularly talking about my own case as this thread eminated from), and use the service as an early detection of an (albeit smaller chance) STI that often have no visible symptoms. Surely that is far more responsible than waiting till you have symptoms then getting treated? Who is more responsible - me using up time having a check up whilst asymptomatic or the 89 people that didn't turn up for appointments last month in my clinic?
I have to say the staff on both our visits have been excellent, the first time the doc recommended a check up every 6-9 months.
What experience do others have? I am rather saddened if this is the case, that they prefer to see people with symptoms and see responsible people as 'tourists'
You are treated with clinical professionalism when you go for a checkup or treatment. I don't think you can expect to be respected for what you do ie the 'lifestyle', but you are respected as a human being; in need.
The questioning is largely to establish any trends in sexual activities and/or identify the possibility of a common source of infections. This may well be related to a social group who are sexually active within the culture of the group, and as a result showing increasing signs of the spread of infections.
It may be simple enough to go to an anonymous clinic and declare one's activities quite openly. If one is so willing to do this, why not go and see your doctor? Hmmmmmmm... unlikely.
Its this kind of contradiction which can be misinterpreted by outside observers.
I didn't mind being questioned in my visits. There was not much they could home in on as I kept the answers fairly simple, because one does not have get involved in a long inquiry.
Generally I found them as you would expect in any professional situation. Focussed on the facts and figures, efficiently going about their business. If one finds a touch of extra warmth and humanity, well fine, enjoy it. But I had no expectations of such and was happy enough to have made use of their skills.
Quote by duncanlondon
It may be simple enough to go to an anonymous clinic and declare one's activities quite openly. If one is so willing to do this, why not go and see your doctor? Hmmmmmmm... unlikely.

I went to the GUM clinic, just because I thought it was time to get a check up, admitted my full name and what I had done. I have nothing to be ashamed off.
I didn't go to my doctors because I believed they did not offer the same testing. If they did, it would save me 15 miles each way of wasted travelling rolleyes
Quote by Dawnie

It may be simple enough to go to an anonymous clinic and declare one's activities quite openly. If one is so willing to do this, why not go and see your doctor? Hmmmmmmm... unlikely.

I went to the GUM clinic, just because I thought it was time to get a check up, admitted my full name and what I had done. I have nothing to be ashamed off.
I didn't go to my doctors because I believed they did not offer the same testing. If they did, it would save me 15 miles each way of wasted travelling rolleyes
From what I know......your local GP doesn't offer the same level of testing as the GUM clinics, so you were right to go to the GUM clinic, shame you had to fork out for the petrol for it though. I go to the Gum clinic because I know that they will do full tests rather than the ones that my GP offers. I don't use my real name but I do always use the same name so they do have case notes about me. I'm very open and honest with them and I've always found their service to be brilliant. It's sad to hear that others have had bad experiences, maybe I'm just lucky with the area I live in.
Thanks PK, I thought that was the case kiss
Quote by Dawnie

It may be simple enough to go to an anonymous clinic and declare one's activities quite openly. If one is so willing to do this, why not go and see your doctor? Hmmmmmmm... unlikely.

I went to the GUM clinic, just because I thought it was time to get a check up, admitted my full name and what I had done. I have nothing to be ashamed off.
I didn't go to my doctors because I believed they did not offer the same testing. If they did, it would save me 15 miles each way of wasted travelling rolleyes
I went to my doctors about 18mths ago because I felt someone had risked my sexual health and requested check ups, gave a expaination as to why. I believe i had all the checks done possible. I just had to make an opointment with the surgery nurse.
Unfortuantely a problem arose with one of the test results and I had to go back a while later an have it done again.
The surgery nurse was fantastic... especially as I was so upset and angry.
xanaisx
Obviously it became apparent that people were not reporting their infections through their doctors many years ago, and as a result the clinics operate in an anonymous way. This has proved to be be a successful way of dealing with the issue.
Its easy to apply selective reasoning in such situations. Having the option not to divulge the full workings of your life to your doctor has some advantages.
Its just that we often talk to various people in a selective way, because of the circumstances. But has going to the clinic become comparable to going to the hairdressers?
Quote by poshkate
From what I know......your local GP doesn't offer the same level of testing as the GUM clinics

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The same tests are done, the samples go to the same path labs to be tested and the same results go back, except to your gp. The difference is that the tests are done with your name attached (from the gp) but just a number (from the gum clinic)
I have been to the GU clinic just for piece of mind as i think many people do, i dont really think the staff care much about your life style whenever i have gone, tho i dont say we are swingers as i hate the phrase and dont see myself as a swinger, i do say we have a open marrage and we have sex with other people, the staff have never batted a eye lid at this and never made me feel embarrased, i think they hear so many stories they dont dont care and get used to it as every day life.
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I have been to the GU clinic just for piece of mind as i think many people do, i dont really think the staff care much about your life style whenever i have gone, tho i dont say we are swingers as i hate the phrase and dont see myself as a swinger, i do say we have a open marrage and we have sex with other people, the staff have never batted a eye lid at this and never made me feel embarrased, i think they hear so many stories they dont dont care and get used to it as every day life.

Nice post NN :thumbup:
How often should you visit the GUM clinic?
Does it just depend on how often you've had fun with others or what? Sorry, I really don't know the answer to this question because we have only just become active , we have only just thought about it redface
we attend the gum clinic quite frequently, we are totally upfront about our lifestyle and you dont get patronised always wear condoms for vaginal penetration (free from there)but of course one can catch some viruses from a persons finger when in a group situation, plus condoms come off, split in use etc. i have been told if you try to arrange health insurance say for a mortgage you have to answer a question about if youve had to have a sexual check up through your lifestyle at your doctors which may effect if they insure you whereas if you visit the gum clinic you dont have to use your real name there.
For those chosing the open route to sexual health...ie: name, address and all-the-rest. You may consider that your record of health care and treatment will soon be available at a centralised database. Your gp will have immediate access to your records, but so will a fairly large number of other people, many not involved in your health care in any way at all.


In fact the list of organisation who will have access to your records also includes the social services....and every tom, dick and harriet in most laboratories in the nhs.