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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Dave__Notts
what is so funny in this thread is someone ( mr notts ) :giggle: said this was not a newsworthy story , seems many peeple in here seem to think it is. lol

It is a story that have led some by the nose, a bit like the Big Mac story. Just because people read it doesn't make it newsworthy. Just lazy journalism not getting to the core of the story.
I read these stories all the time and just shake my head in resignation at how easily people are led. Whipping them up into a frenzy over something they weren't given all the facts about. Unfortunately I also believe some of these stories, especially on subjects that I do not know about. That is why I like this forum as there are so many people from different areas that can give another perspective about it. At that point I get an "Ahhhhh now that makes sense" moment.
Dave_Notts
And, just because you don't like it does not make it any less newsworthy. Your first statement above is very sweeping. Some of us are lesser beings because we don't see things your way? I think we are all capable of sorting the wheat from the chafe
I do not believe any one has been lead any where, my view on this kind of thing has never changed. It has been the same view as long as I can remember.
If some one is silly enough to move next door to some thing they don't like, I would tell them "hard luck you silly billy"!
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Mr-Powers
The church bell in our town church rings every 30 mins. So far no one has felt the need to complain about it, I suspect though, some miserable new comer will spoil it eventually.

Perhaps some want to complain but feel intimidated.
Be afraid, be very afraid
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Dave__Notts
Yes as you say, from a legal perspective you are correct, I have never said otherwise.
But I do not agree with the law. I feel if some one is silly enough to buy a house next to a giant bell and then be supprised when the bloody thing rings, is stupidity on there part and should be told hard luck!
In my view it is very sad to see people move into, what they first see as a "quaint village", and then try to change the village as it was not what they thought after all.

For the bit in bold, tough I am afraid Blue. The law is black and white on this point.
Dave_Notts
Yes, you are quite correct, but it will never stop me championing those who i see as the real victims lol Which is what I have just done in this thread. I stand by what I said above in red.
Further to that,
All those that move next to a farm and don't like the noise, animals and smells. In my view should be told hard luck
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Bluefish2009
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The church bell in our town church rings every 30 mins. So far no one has felt the need to complain about it, I suspect though, some miserable new comer will spoil it eventually.
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Dave__Notts
I, on the other hand see nothing wrong with this kind of reporting
Shame on the complainer, I say

The freedom of this country is be able to enjoy your home without outside interference. The complainer was exercising their right under british law. However, the church have not exercised their right to appeal. The shame is on the church, not the complainant.
Dave_Notts
Yes as you say, from a legal perspective you are correct, I have never said otherwise.
But I do not agree with the law. I feel if some one is silly enough to buy a house next to a giant bell and then be supprised when the bloody thing rings, is stupidity on there part and should be told hard luck!
In my view it is very sad to see people move into, what they first see as a "quaint village", and then try to change the village as it was not what they thought after all.
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Dave__Notts
This depends very much on your view point. I believe that news worthiness is a little like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder, or reader in this case. This journalist has reported this story from the human angle, just as I would have. Unlike your self, many of us are not that interested in what the legal bods believe or have to say, its more about how it effect the people on the ground who are involved. So many times many suffer the loss of some thing they love because of a selfish few.
As for the light pollution, this only reached Parish Council level where they buckled under the pressure and out went the lights. But the result was just the same, many suffer the loss of some thing they loved because of one individual.

The human angle is just sensationalism in my view. I am not interested in the law but in the truth of a story. To not include the law then this story is on a par with Victoria Beckham with a Big Mac.
The noise and light issue are red herrings. Why aren't the churches fighting these cases? These are the people who have turned off the lights and bells, not the complainee. The people who this effects should be angered, but not just with the complainee but with the spineless parish council and church elders. Shame on them.
Dave_Notts
I, on the other hand see nothing wrong with this kind of reporting
Shame on the complainer, I say
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Dave__Notts
Does human action influence the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere?
Dave_Notts

Yes
Quote by Dave__Notts
does human action influence the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere?
Dave_Notts

Yes
Let us take LPG for instance. As a result of complete combustion we get heat and light, also we get CO2 and H2O. In fact as a result of combustion we actually put more water vapor into the atmosphere than we do CO2
C/3H/8 + 50/2 = 3/CO2 + 4/H2O.
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Dave__Notts
Tough for the church I am afraid. Their excuse that the computer software cannot be re-programmed is a load of tosh. The church is one of the richest institutions within the UK so a few hundred quid to reprogramme is do-able.
What made me laugh is that the couple now want to overturn the abatement notice. Unfortunately, it is not like dropping the charges with the police. The notice has been served and if the church breaches the notice then they are put before the local beak to explain why. This may be what the church actually needs.............their day in court. If they get the rest of the village to turn up as witnesses to say that it does not effect them, then there will be no offence committed.
Must have been a no news day for this to get in the papers
Dave_Notts

Of coarse from a legal stand point you are quite correct.
However, for me that does not make it correct or right
The thing that always gets my goat Dave, is there may be many more who enjoy hearing the bells, but one compliant can stop them, very one sided I feel.
For many years in the village I grew up in, for a two week period over Christmas the church was eliminated from dark until midnight. It looked stunning and all the villagers loved to see our beautiful Church light up this way. A new person moved in near the church, complained, out went the lights and the rest of the villagers suffered for the views of one!
This is the news but no news style of reporting Blue. If the journos had really wanted a story they could have looked into the legal part of it. A noise nuisance has to be investigated by the local council if a member of the public complains to them, it is within the statute. However, there are defences to this.
In this instance, if what the paper states is true, then they have a defence. The "news" would have been finding out why the church rolled over instead of fighting it. Perhaps they didn't want to pay the bill to change the software, perhaps they want the money to fund a cathedral in a city and not a village church, perhaps a lot of things that is more news worthy........but perhaps investigative journalism is a thing of the past. Perhaps they should stick to the big mac and churches stop ringing bells stories, as it is easier to fill the pages.
As for the lights on the church. Once again it is a roll over. Without the Lux readings within the bedroom of the person affected then nobody knows the real story behind this. However, there have been very few legal proceedings for light nuisance in the UK. You have to have direct glare into the house to succesfully win a complaint. Now if the church had spotlights shining directly at the complainants house then that would be a different matter, but the church in question is not that stupid...........or are they? you may be able to enlighten us.
Dave_Notts
This depends very much on your view point. I believe that news worthiness is a little like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder, or reader in this case. This journalist has reported this story from the human angle, just as I would have. Unlike your self, many of us are not that interested in what the legal bods believe or have to say, its more about how it effect the people on the ground who are involved. So many times many suffer the loss of some thing they love because of a selfish few.
As for the light pollution, this only reached Parish Council level where they buckled under the pressure and out went the lights. But the result was just the same, many suffer the loss of some thing they loved because of one individual.
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Lizaleanrob
Tough for the church I am afraid. Their excuse that the computer software cannot be re-programmed is a load of tosh. The church is one of the richest institutions within the UK so a few hundred quid to reprogramme is do-able.
What made me laugh is that the couple now want to overturn the abatement notice. Unfortunately, it is not like dropping the charges with the police. The notice has been served and if the church breaches the notice then they are put before the local beak to explain why. This may be what the church actually needs.............their day in court. If they get the rest of the village to turn up as witnesses to say that it does not effect them, then there will be no offence committed.
Must have been a no news day for this to get in the papers

Dave_Notts

does news have to be sensational to be news then dave :undecided:
I'm afraid far to much news is overlooked in favour of good old fashion tripe, gutter type news like Victoria beckham seen eating a whole big mac or something :silly:
tis the reason i don't purchase or read news papers
It was blown out of all proportions, she never finished it all
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Dave__Notts
Tough for the church I am afraid. Their excuse that the computer software cannot be re-programmed is a load of tosh. The church is one of the richest institutions within the UK so a few hundred quid to reprogramme is do-able.
What made me laugh is that the couple now want to overturn the abatement notice. Unfortunately, it is not like dropping the charges with the police. The notice has been served and if the church breaches the notice then they are put before the local beak to explain why. This may be what the church actually needs.............their day in court. If they get the rest of the village to turn up as witnesses to say that it does not effect them, then there will be no offence committed.
Must have been a no news day for this to get in the papers
Dave_Notts

Of coarse from a legal stand point you are quite correct.
However, for me that does not make it correct or right
The thing that always gets my goat Dave, is there may be many more who enjoy hearing the bells, but one compliant can stop them, very one sided I feel.
For many years in the village I grew up in, for a two week period over Christmas the church was eliminated from dark until midnight. It looked stunning and all the villagers loved to see our beautiful Church light up this way. A new person moved in near the church, complained, out went the lights and the rest of the villagers suffered for the views of one!
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Dave__Notts
There is a correlation with climate change and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. This is fact. What has not been proved adequately is if the CO2 makes a difference to climate change.
but I change in small ways because I don't want it to be shown that the lack of knowledge and action was the thing that had a detrimental effect on me or others.
Dave_Notts

Dave is right, there is a correlation between climate change and co2 concentrations in the atmosphere. "Most of the solar radiation incident upon the ocean causes evaporation of the ocean fine spray and foam. When ocean water fine spray or foam evaporate the contained calcium bicarbonate solution decomposes and releases carbon dioxide gas to the atmosphere".
So the warmer it gets the higher the co2 is, this can be seen in ice core samples.
However, just like Dave, I have made small changes to my behavoiur, but not to stop climate change.
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Rogue_trader
The ad was in poor taste.
It was needlessly provocative at least and downright offensive to some.
Politics and sport should never meet. Go and watch some of the films on you tube regarding the 1936 summer games in Berlin to see why politics and sport should never come together.
I hope the Argentine team are not made the butt of any retaliation as it is not them who has fuelled this debacle.

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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Max777
Woring, but of coarse, that is fun lol

Trying to decide if you meant whoring or working Blue, although I suppose that could be one and the same :twisted:
On this occasion, Max, its the latter :lol:
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Bluefish2009
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More interesting news
Greenland's glaciers are not speeding up as much as previously thought, researchers have estimated.
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Bluefish2009
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The times I see stores like this one of people moving into an area and then complaining about how its been for 100s of years. Gets on my wick
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Gee_Wizz
The theory behind CO2 causing climate change never made sense to me.

I am with you on that one :thumbup:
Out of all the gasses that might cause a greenhouse effect, C02 is one of the smallest.
Water vapor being the biggest. This was always my problem with there so called theory's, facts and figures' regarding global warming often completely ignored the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system.
I wonder why they did that lol
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Robert400andKay
Mr Hornsby accepted that some of the evidence was circumstantial, but said it is ‘perfectly reasonable’ for the court to draw common sense conclusions from such evidence.

Yes, this is the way the law works. A court should draw reasoned conclusions from circumstantial evidence.
If Jack's fingerprints are on the 'smoking gun' (circumstantial evidence) it doesn't prove that Jack actually 'fired the shot'. If nobody else's finger prints are on the gun, and it is known that the 'gun' was at no point in the possession of any other person, then it may be reasonable for a court to conclude that Jack 'fired the shot'.
As opposed to if Jill makes a statement that she saw Jack fire the gun this would be, assuming that the court considered Jill a credible witness, direct evidence.

Thank you
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Bluefish2009
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I have to admit surprise on my part. :shock:
I will happily admit to not having a legal mind
I was always under the impression that to convict one had to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt
How can one be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, by circumstantial evidence and making assumptions dunno
The defence summed up by arguing that in none of the remaining 6 charges had evidence of the necessary elements for conviction, i.e. the deliberate pursuit of an identified mammal, been proved to the necessary standard. It was simply not possible to 'fill the gaps' by making assumptions based on the presence of terriers, the lack of evidence of trail laying and Professor Harris' opinions as the prosecution suggested.
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by Max777
taxpayers spend money on war and arms manufacturers and suppliers recieve money. very profitable too. in fact the permanent war on terror having replaced the cold war is very very profitable for some especially if you can steal peoples natural resources as well.

I can not disagree with that
Tax payers spend money on many things, arms being just one of them. Arms Suppliers receiving payment are no different to any other government supplier in that respect. Arms manufacturers also provide employment.
Hope you watched the Hunt for Bin Laden on TV last night, Gulson wink
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Bluefish2009
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May be we should take this one with a pinch of salt, but if true, interesting just the same
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by gulsonroad30664
taxpayers spend money on war and arms manufacturers and suppliers recieve money. very profitable too. in fact the permanent war on terror having replaced the cold war is very very profitable for some especially if you can steal peoples natural resources as well.

I can not disagree with that
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Bluefish2009
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This is a case I have been following, I am confused by the highlighted part below, can any one shed some light for me please?
Hunt trial: Day 6
Published on Monday 30 April 2012 17:21
FOUR out of 11 charges have been withdrawn in the Crawley and Horsham Hunt court case.
Henry James Hawksfield, 59, of Bines Road, Partridge Green, Rachael Holdsworth, 47, of Rock Road, Washington, Neill Millard, 45, of Dragons Lane, Shipley, and Andrew Phillis, 50, of Halwell, Totnes, Devon, have pleaded not guilty to offences under the Hunting Act 2004.
With the prosecution case finished, prosecutor Walton Hornsby said he would withdraw
four of the counts because the evidence supporting them was not strong enough.
Defence barrister David Perry QC went through the evidence for the remaining seven charges, asking the judge to drop them under a ‘no case to answer’ ruling.
He said much of the prosecution evidence was circumstantial, or from eyewitnesses who had made assumptions based on what they had heard, or the general impression they had of what was happening.
“On all the occasions with which we’re concerned, the hunt was aware that filming was taking place, and that suggests that it’s implausible to contend that they would, knowing that their activities were being filmed, hunt,” he concluded.
Mr Hornsby accepted that some of the evidence was circumstantial, but said it is ‘perfectly reasonable’ for the court to draw common sense conclusions from such evidence.

The case was adjourned until Tuesday, to give the judge time to review the evidence.

It is the last comment by the prosecution, Mr Hornsby, that bothers me. A common sense conclusion, is this how the law works?
Wed 2nd May
Day 4
Day 3
Day 2
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Bluefish2009
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Quote by tweeky
Were all doomed wink
Chris Williamson, Markit:
The underlying strength of the economy is probably much more robust than these data suggest. The danger is that these gloomy data deliver a fatal blow to the fragile revival of consumer and business confidence seen so far this year, harming the recovery and even sending the country back into a real recession.
Not for the first time, the official data and survey data are sending conflicting signals...The disappointing GDP data also contrast with other official data, which indicate that retail sales grew 0.8 percent in the first three months of the year and the labour market to have shown some signs of improvement.
The worry for me is the doom and gloom brigade will in the end win :sad:

Who pays any attention to any of this rubbish on a personal level? Rough made up guide
Get paid (all income sources) 1000
bills come to 700
300 left to spend
The bottom figure is what decides my level of so called doom or gloom. The main alterations to that bottom figure over the last year or so have been primarily the gas and electric company's and secondarily the gov by skimming off the the top of tax credits. I am probably about 50 quid a month worse off between those two than I was a year ago. I dont work any extra so that's 50 quid that does not get spent somewhere else. I can still manage perfectly well on what I have so no need to.
Point being I never listen to a news forecast or read an article and go "Shit better not buy that new toaster on Tuesday". Figures in the bank, that gives all the information I need and that goes for personal and my self employed work.
I agree, but
Consumer confidence is an economic indicator which measures the degree of optimism that consumers feel about the overall state of the economy and their personal financial situation. How confident people feel about stability of their incomes determines their spending activity and therefore serves as one of the key indicators for the overall shape of the economy. In essence, if the economy expands causing consumer confidence to be higher, consumers will be making more purchases. On the other hand, if the economy contracts or is in bad shape, confidence is lower, and consumers tend to save more and spend less. A month-to-month diminishing trend in consumer confidence suggests that in the current state of the economy most consumers have a negative outlook on their ability to find and retain good jobs.
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Bluefish2009
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Not long after leaving school I brought a girlfriend home from the pub, after some kissing and such like, with me sat on the settee and the young lady knelt on the floor, she unzipped me and gave me a wonderful BJ. It was then the tiredness and alcohol kicked in and we both fell asleep in the same position.
I was woken some time later to here some one, either my Dad or Mum, creeping back up the stair case.
Looking down, there was the young lady asleep with her head on my lap, my now soft willy hanging out of my zip redface
The incident was never ever mentioned by anyone
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