This has recently been updated so if, by chance, you've looked at it before, you may spot some updates.

So far, we've had very little experience; a few social meets that were enjoyable but didn't progress, but at long last a meet that certainly did progress to full soft swap (if that's not a contradiction in terms).

We set out to find a female for Helen and it's fair to say we were somewhat naïvely searching for a unicorn but just like the mythical creature, they may or may not exist. That said, we'd be OK with Helen meeting and playing alone with a single female.

Having accepted that the unicorn doesn't exist, or if they do they're soooooo hard to find, we are happy to engage with couples - hence our few social meets and one (whoop whoop) softy swap. BTW, the swap was a great experience!!!

You might reasonably ask why our social meets didn't progressed and why our one soft swap was a success - a couple that wanted more than were were ready for, a couple where she was keen but he was uncomfortable, a couple with who we just didn't click and then, at last, a couple that we just jelled with and who had similar desires to our own.

Given our limited experience, we're still somewhat uncertain about where our boundaries sit. We continue to envisage the girls playing while the guys watch, though our one soft swap taught us that soft could so easily develop to hard and we don't think we'd have a problem with that, with the right people, of course.

We'd love to meet couples with a view to engaging on what you might call a semi-regular basis. We're not interested in serial experiences with as many as possible. We tried a club once but really didn't like it though we've vowed to return at least once to see if it was a bad night or just a bit much for us at the time.

We're open and honest and we like to think we're fun, interesting, sociable and a bit naughty (but we would wouldn't we :) ).

Gentlemen - whilst we've said we're seeking females and/or couples, we're not averse to sensible conversations with guys and who knows but any more would be after a fairly lengthy period of the right kind of conversation and sorry this lacks even the smallest amount of clarity - we don't really know how to define, "Sensible" or, "Right kind"