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Darkfire
Over 90 days ago
Bisexual Female, 50
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hmmm...I was going to suggest:
a masterclass on writing the ultimate 'fook off' pm....?
a darts tournament by the SH ladies teams featuring photo's of exes and cock shots, with donations to breast cancer research for every direct hit to an eye :twisted:
a 1-day workshop on 'twatspotting'
or a 'karaoke in 30 minutes: words and actions to Sisters are Doing it for Themselves' tutorial but then I read Anais' strap-on workshop idea and that one's won me over lol
I'm in :thumbup: rotflmao
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always a bad sign ms varca... could be the early stages of late onset PMtia...
lp

PMtia rotflmao (officially TM LP 2007) :thumbup:
lol @ chunky kitkat
do you know how messy those soggy wafer bits can get? :giggle:
chocolate and Varca in the same thread?
I dont think I actually need to post what I'd like to do with those, tbh lol :rascal:
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Funnily enough, there's a new girl at work I go for a coffee with.
In the last 2 weeks she's mentioned swinging, dogging, TVs and that she quite likes pain.

. . . and apparently; she has nice titties :shock:
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it's not funny though is it (lol) ...allowing the thought in your head that (a) your vanilla friend has nice tits (and not just in a vanilla appreciation of nice tits sense lol) and (b) not only that, you're thinking about it ! :shock:
another half an hour, a couple more absinthe's and events not panning out the way they did last night and I have this horrible gut renching but horny feeling that the line would have been well and truly crossed :scared:
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It got me thinking about vanillas in general. Particularly from a couple's point of view, and how I would feel about inviting a single vanilla (male or female) to join HLB and me, or us getting it on with a "vanilla" couple - someone not registered on any of the sites or not part of and experienced in, the lifestyle. And I wondered if there was a consensus amongst you lot ????

Ooo! as it happens....:lol2:
went out vanilla style with the girls last night, somewhere in the conversation with a mate I see loads of, have known for years but dont actually know thatmuch dunno about pops up the name of a couple we both know, independent of each other, who are swingers. Cue following conversation during which we both realised we were quietly admitting to knowing this couple in a not so vanilla way lol andthat we are both bi ......and she's standing there giving me that look :shock: :lol2:
it's not the first time i've tippietoed the vanilla line and almost lost me balance lol
Choon sweetie, intensive sounds good, but I can assure you it wouldnt be over emoticonography lol
:twisted:
I'm the same FB, I know most of the forum emoticons anyway and just type the code in! redface
i'd love a *quiver* one, a 'faiting'/passed out type falling over one lol and the *evil laugh* one I've seen elsewhere that does 'lol :dry: in one go :lol2:
Oh, and a 'jawdrop' or 'Ooooooo' to express/exclaim 'really?' or 'omg!' not just :shock:
Oh - and with regard to application forms, I have also had 3 which do the 'lets address diversity by ticking some boxes' thing that require me to not only state my ethnic origin & any disabilities etc, but also ask specifically for me to state my sexuality.
It does say it's optional, but, (imo) also widely assumed that if you dont fill it in you have something to hide.
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Darkfire
I didnt bang on his door in an irate manner, i treated him like an adult, asked for his time and help in resolution. I havent been disrespectful at any time. Taking the moral high ground from the outset puts me in an unassailable position later.
Im the responsible adult here and need to show that.

really? lol
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... moved 2 kids in. Shes late teens, sheepish, hes late teens, cropped hair, gelled down, pasty white skin, constantly sniffing no doubt due to his sinuses rebelling at the nicotene cloud he lives in and looks shifty.

... some spotty faced kid ...

I snapped and went down stairs in my tee shirt and knix, opened the unlocked door and told the kid to fk off, he started pulling faces and i stepped out into the road and told him to run while he could, ....and he did.

Stormed up to the kids room and asked for some of his time, marched him down and asked him to identify the lump on the seat. Mumbled grunts followed, and he cleaned it off, appologied and swore it wouldnt happen again.

.... dirty little **** has pissed all over it.

Just called landlord, said i wasnt paying rent for every day the kid is in the house, explained why and he said 'OH no, we had to give him a chance but i will move him out today"
It seems the kid has a history and clearly doesnt know how to live in civilised company.

...why is he a wild animal.

...the drug dealing slag...

I treated the kid as an adult, asked for his help with "our" problem, and made it clear though superior attitude and posturing that he had to find the solution.

I had hoped he would see the importance of acting resposibly, but when he pissed on the seat this morning, i knew the lesson wasnt learned, so the stick has come out and ive evicted him.

I dont need to say anything else lol I have my 'work' head on and so is best I give this thread a wide berth :thumbup: I dont think for one minute you should put up with the situation, but I dont think your appraoch is the best one, either.
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* Someone has asked me why I'm "getting involved" and posting. In a "what the fuck's it got to do with you" (you're a straight male) sort of way.
Because I don't like to see anyone treated badly ! !

pardon? :shock:
the thread was addressed to anyone who has a contribution to make on this topic, so, post. Freely.
and so far, there has been little emphasis on the original post - as if its somehow irrelevant to the discussion dunno :sad: so, I dont care whether your bi, straight, couple, single, poly, TV or web fookin footed, post it and be damned!
Just called landlord, said i wasnt paying rent for every day the kid is in the house, explained why and he said 'OH no, we had to give him a chance but i will move him out today"
It seems the kid has a history and clearly doesnt know how to live in civilised company.

Did the landlord, or you, or anyone else in the house bother to introduce yourselves, sit down over a cuppa and establish some form of relationship and more importantly ground rules before you waded in being a bit heavy handed laying the law down?
I have complete empathy with you that his behaviour is inappropraite and is making you mad, but, disrespect breeds disrespect and when you are aware that there is 'some history' with this lad, its also highly likley that he's very familiar with irate people like you banging on his door in a confrontatinal manner, and it will get you nowhere - other than another young adult being shifted from pillar to post because in all likelihood doesnt know what is acceptable or not because no-one's bothered to sit and explain it rationally.
What does JB think to this, btw? from a 'reformed character' point of view.
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Sounds just my cuppa tea hon and I'd loved to have come if the dates didn't clash with a wedding I have been invited to. Have a few JD's for me won't you? :grin:

will do :thumbup: lol
is there anyone else from here going who would like to meet up in the CrossPistons to say hi? pm me your thing on a stick so I know who you are lol
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However, if a couple, was of the likeminded concept of mutual connection and pleasure and they were pre-disposed to a mindset and expectation of the addition of an SBF within their given relationship as being an extension rather than an "add on" I think I would be rather more for!

Hmmmmmmmm i'm not sure that ANYBODY should 'expect' to be an extention of a couples relationship be it a SBF, a SBM or another couple. We are swingers not polygomists. That is an awful lot to expect. A relationship between a couple is special and takes a long time to develop. To expect to be an extention of the whole thing is imo expecting a bit too much. That in no way means we would think of her as a 'toy' for want of a better word if you see what I mean confused
Would I let her in as part of my relationship? Would I hell - it's special to us and she wouldn't expect it either which is why she's so special.
I'm inclined to agree Her! this is what I meant by my/our role :thumbup: As an sbf, I can step into their relationship (sex life) for the duration of playing, have a fab time..and step back out again. Any friendship, before and after, doesnt come close to what they have as a couple, I understand & respect that & really dont see it as being 'left out'. I personally wouldnt want to be considered part of the relationship itself, in it or an extension dunno But there is a fine line, in my head, between stepping away and giving them space and being 'discarded' after play.
Or do I have completely the wrong idea about swinging? dunno lol

No I dont think so, imo.
As an afterthought, I find it very interesting that the thread where this was originaly posted has gone a very different way.
*Her*

Indeed smile
Quote by Marya_Northeast
Swinging with vanillas? Not likely but no impossible.
I much prefer this environment even though i seem to actually have less chance of a shag than if I tried to pull on "the outside".

aint that the truth! lol
I dunno about it being 'safer', more comfortable perhaps, when you 'click' with someone, but I'm starting to think I get that more with vanillas (bi fems andsingle blokes :shock: ) these days than I do with people who are part of the lifetsyle dunno
nice theory, unfortunately in this case the person/people behind the label do wink
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*Now leave me alone. I've got a thread about fucking vanillas and the single swinger to write wink

rotflmao
ok, going back to the original post.... and away from 'established couples' or one cock, three mouths, four titties scenario then...lol
manufactured couples/ swingles playing as a 3some...being 'left out'....and this:
I just think the two of them would have been better off meeting without me....
I just don't know what I was supposed to be there for? Did they just want my house to use? Did he use me to lure her? did she use me to make herself feel more safe and secure with him?

come on, you know you want to lol
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So, single bi-fems and couples especially ( but anyone can answer this!) what IS the role of the single bi-fem?

There isn't one - or at least, there shouldn't be.
If you (one) find yourself part of a sexual experience because you are a single bifem - then perhaps you shouldn't be there.

I've highlighted the 'because' bit so i can say 'indeedy' lol
but I do think, somewhere along the line, there's a 'role'. Be that ..being the one in the middle who enables a situation where two people can get their rocks off by seeing eachother 'getting theirs' ...or being the person who plays fem:fem while he watches because that's a particular fantasy of his/theirs....its still a 'role'. I'd still be responding to their needs/wants/desires...therefore its a role I take on....dunno (It does make sense to me, honest!)
I would actually like to cut down, if not pack up (I enjoy my cigarettes, that's the problem ) but I sure as shit aint gonna have 'you cant smoke because its naughty' imposed on me and roll over and pander to what someone else says is good and right for me (and best for them)
I havent been this childish in a long time, and it feels gooood! lol rolleyes but I'm sure Scotland heard much the same comments when the ban was introduced up there and it ammounted to ..well...not much at all, people just comply and adapt. Hmmmm confused
I think some of the derogatory comments aimed at 'smokers in general' in here are scraping very close to the line now tbh.
But, come July, I will display a completely childish attitude, get on my high horse and simply stop 'doing' social events where I cant smoke - that, or the Government can provide me with patches etc enough to keep me going for a few hours when in the company of others.
I fully realise how ridiculous this sounds, I'm also fully aware of what smoking does to my health, but I pay for my cigarettes with money I earn, and I pay enough fookin tax on them now to fund a personal smoking cessation programme too.... but on principal I wont stop, because I dont want to! and I know I wont be able to do it when the reason behind trying to stop is that the fookin Government says I have to ! I'd be doing it to keep other people (non-smokers)and the Nanny-state happy, not for me, and that's soooo not going to work!
Maybe I'll get bored of being anti-social and lonely with no social life, but given a choice between that and associating with people who feel I'm a filthy fuckwit for my habit, who treat me like a leper and banish me to the socially unacceptable & naughty corner with the others who wont conform, I know which one will win.
To me, this is one stop from prostitution without the money passing hands

I cant say I see it quite like that Gemini lol
I'm sure many people reading this though have had pm's sent to them giving a lovely detailed timetable of 'required/ expected events', play boundaries before you've even got to the hello stage, 'want to come over to ours?' from someone they've never met etc...i know I have lol so what do they want from meeting a single?
I think 'role' means what are you there for? to fulfill someone's fantasies? to play with only the fem? to soft play? to full swap? what do they want from you? why are you there? what will meeting you achieve, for them? and for you? - it's still a 'role' you play, in their relationship, even if its just once for a couple of hours dunno
and then there's 'manufactured couples' lol .....
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The ultimate a few weeks ago was one guy tapped me on the arm so I looked up and he pointed to a bed without speaking :shock:

I was gonna post something nice and controversial and say 'are there any? dunno' in response to the thread title.....
then I read your post and thought 'ah, no need' lol
am sure he'd have showed slight evolutionary progress with 'ug ug' if given the chance, so all is not lost lol
so, if you're a couple...and looking for a single fem...what would you be looking for? what is it that you seek? what would you want her role to be?
( I could go away and read the ads but I cant post examples as that would be very naughty lol :twisted: plus some folk dont have them, they simply meet someone they click with and it moves from there... but there's also the 'just want to play with a bifem, any bifem will do' type approach...I bet we dont get any posts from that camp lol although I'd like to see people post honest responses and not what they think we want to hear wink )
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I've seen a fair amount of single bifemales treat other people dreadfully too by account of their supposed 'status'...

I know quite a few single bi fems who do sign up to the whole 'I'm special, treat me as such' school of thought....
and given some of their, and other people's experiences, that 'attitude' doesn't surprise me in the slightest lol...because it's that, or they simply stop playing with couples/ chamge their playing rules beyond recognition or worse, stop playing altogether, and then we all lose out!
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i do look forward to getting back from work this evening and seeing some more responses, nice one darkfire :thumbup:

Don't thank me hun, I've been itching to get back to this one all day! - I knew it would provoke a 'good discussion' hence why I nicked it & posted it in the first place lol and so far there's been some excellent contributions :thumbup: I think sometimes we all need a gentle reminder of what's going on in the swinging world and how the way we do things affects others.
I do agree with Polo about the role of the SBF being what she wants it to be - its fairly evident from the responses so far that how I see myrole when playing with a couple is very different from how other single bi fems see theirs dunno
It just makes me wonder why we're percieved to be 'the holy grail' yet many SBF's experiences dont reflect that sentiment, with both couples & singles dunno
I remember Amy :thumbup:
and Varca hun, chill - I stole this thread, it isnt me! wink but, be angry all the same if that's how it makes you feel wink There 's a real person behind the thread regardless of who posted it wink
I do have a response to this thread, but its taking a while to piece together because if we're talking 'sbf's in general' my oppinion isnt pretty :scared:
This is blatantly stolen, with permission of course, but it's such a damn good thread question I thought it deserved an airing with you lot! wink , so, your contributions please! What is the role of the SBF? dunno
I had a meet a while ago with this gorgeous fit guy and it was fabulous. He also thought it was fabulous (phew!) and we agreed to do it again sometime. Earlier this week, he asks if I'd like to get together with him and "jane" - a woman on the chatroom we both use. We both like her - talk to her a lot, talk about her, perv at her pics etc.
Now, we've all met socially but so far only me and the gorgeous guy have played, but ok, it'll be fine.
It wasn't fine. It was ok but to be honest i felt like a spare part. She's either a big faker or one of those "hair trigger" types who constantly moans and groans from the first touch till the last stroke. He couldn't get enough of her. Moaning and groaning and having what seems to be the most fantastic sexual fun known to man-kind.
I can't lie - i did get some attention - nothing off her, the so-called "very bi" but that's fine, maybe she just didn't fancy me. Fine. He was ok. He loved every second. course he did. single straight bloke pulls 2 single fems? dream come true, innit? but he obviously didn't know - or care? - about pleasing two women equally. Let's just say by the end of it, I felt like it was 2 plus one and the one was a minger.
I just think the two of them would have been better off meeting without me. i'm not bitter or jealous or anything cos I did actually recommend him to her as a nice, respectful bloke. and I maintain that now.
I just don't know what I was supposed to be there for? Did they just want my house to use? Did he use me to lure her? did she use me to make herself feel more safe and secure with him?
Worst of all, they loved it all so much they want to do it again. i don't. If it crops up in conversation then obviously I've got something to say like "thanks great time but not for me, won't be doing it again"... i dunno. I can't tell them the truth. they'll either be hurt that I didn't say anything at the time or disgusted with me for coming across as the sulky spoilt brat.
Frankly I feel shit about this but it's not sympathy I'm after.
i've spoen to them both since - just online and they're both fine with me - same as before but still buzzing off their great "three"some.
Story number 2 - later that day i chatted to an old swinging mate I know only online and she told me about when she met up with a married couple. She said although the experience was sexually good fun, there were times when she felt like a spare part.
On another occasion with another couple she actually caught them asking each other if they were ok. Nothing wrong with that - it just made her feel a bit of the "outsider".
So, single bi-fems and couples especially ( but anyone can answer this!) what IS the role of the single bi-fem? What is your experience? What have you learnt, what advice can you give, what would you have done/felt in my situtaion and most of all - can someone please give me a slap cos my head is right up my backside on this one. Sorry.