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Quote by VoyeurJ
Whats wrong with a large bonus or pay if its deserved. I think success should be rewarded and failure not! Success in whatever industry shouldn't ever be punished by being taxed more than anyone else.
If the company is private too then what on earth can Mr Cable or anyone else not on the board or deciding bonus percentage possibly have to do with any of it!!
The 50% tax uproar for instance ... punishing successful people clearly! Or whats the point in achieving after working hard to become successful? The well paid people who pay 40% pay way more than most monthly never mind annually.
At least be fair people!
J
Totally agree with you.
A businessman who puts his money into a business and has the risk of going under if he does not work hard and succeed deserves their bonus/profit.
A manager/employee who comes up with a good idea that makes money/generates money deserves their bonus.
An employee who gambles my money with no risk to themselves does not. The only time I would accept this is if their dick is laid on the table, I am weilding a machete and if they get it wrong and lose my hard earned money.............I am allowed at least two swings towards his dick with the machete. Then these fuckwits may know the actual meaning of risk.
In my mind they ar getting a bonus to gamble others money.
I have no problem with bonus schemes in certain situations...........but the bankers bonus for, in effect, gambling with others money is not one of them
Dave_Notts
Quote by Meeko
I never smile. I tried once and it looked fecking awefull and scared people.
I have been told to smile so I do try and watch the room empty :lol2: It aint a Shane MaCgowan smile type I have teeth and they aint black or crooked but just as scary.
Like a snaggletoothed shark?
Dave_Notts
Quote by Gee_Wizz
I don't mean to apply that to everyone who follows football. It's definitely the minority of fans that cause trouble, but it's a constant minority at every event it seems. the sport is always in the headlines for some fight or riot somewhere and there are several high budget movie releases dedicated purely to the violence of the sport. that doesn't happen with Rugby/Tennis/Cricket etc...
Totally agree with you. It is a constant minority and the police admit it will be constant. Their tactics are geared to ensure that this minority do not spoil it for the majority.
Footbal is unlucky that these people have associated themselves to this sport........rather than the sport encouraging this behaviour.
IMO these "fans" should have a lifetime ban from any sporting event and their passports are removed for 10 years, and not just for sporting events.
As a fan I hate the opposition team as an entity. I wish that they lose every game and achieve nothing as a club honour. However, the opposition fans, players, managers, backroom staff, etc are human just like me...........and I wish no harm or ill to them.
Dave_Notts
Quote by VoyeurJ
These things happen, in my learning years I managed to bring down HBOS cash machines at 1900 on a Friday evening for 3 hours. You will be amazed the power a temporary employee in the right sector in his second month at a large bank wields lol Needless to say I didn't see my 3rd there that time.
Not on that scale but I did bring down a distribution centre for a whole weekend.............and I only pressed one button. My phobia of computers and buttons that cause damage are still with me 20 years later.
I remember in the past, when we only had one chatroom, a chatroom op pressed a button and kicked 97% of the users in one go. The next words he typed were.............OOOPS!!!
Dave_Notts
Quote by GnV
So you can equally prove that every vehicle on the public highway owned/used by a "traveller" is properly taxed and insured and that is the reason the Police take no action against them?
C'mon Dave.
Of course not and no I can't prove that claim, but thats not what I claimed.
My claim is that the Travellers do not get away with it if they are discovered to have broken the law and the police can provide evidence that will support a conviction beyond all reasonable doubt. This is what happens with Travellers and any other person in this country.........except embassy staff
Dave_Notts
Well I'm sorry Dave, but they do get away with it even when there is compelling evidence on which to make a prosecution and convict.
The personal experience I outlined earlier in the thread is not anecdotal. I rang the Police, they immediately knew the vehicle (presumably from PNC check) and the owner (as later I became aware of too) and given they were from a local travelling show, as it were (courtesy of Cher), they decided it wasnt in their interest to bother with it but to give me a Christmas present of the 'booty'.
By the way, I tidied up your quote within a quote mess In this posting :wink:
G
Is every crime pursued and dealt with within the law G? I have one at the moment that looks like the CPS will drop as "not serious enough" even though the police agree with us. I just have to take it on the chin that with lack of resources not everything will be followed up.
If the police didn't take it, could you not have taken a private prosecution? This is the route we are looking at, but are hanging back until the full decision by the CPS has been revealed.
In my scenario, I have not declared that this type of person/race get away with it........I have to accept that resources and other factors have an influence. Throughout this whole thread none of the stories that are in the public eye have been shown that the travellers "have got away with it". So where this idea comes from is bemusing to me.
Dave_Notts
PS what quoting mess?................................ :grin:
Quote by Theladyisaminx
As more of an observer of this forum. It has been interesting watching the good topics of discussions, debates/differences of opinion/arguments. Which at times I have found very amusing just sitting observing from the sidelines.
Thanks all :thumbup:
Ditto. Thanks to all, even my sparring partner
Dave_Notts
Quote by MidsCouple24
However, we do need a National non-combatant force which would be used for civil emergencies, taught to operate both Green Goddess fire engines and the Red engines that the fire brigade replace with new stock (a fire engine pumps water out as well as in so needed not just for fires but for floods too), taught search and rescue skills, first aid, combating forrest fires, operating heavy plant equipment to clear roads and buildings, how to set up field medical stations and field kitchens. Trained in the many army training camps that are normally empty except for taining excercises, trained under military style discipline but not for any form of military/combat role and exempting people who are in full time education or full time work for 3 months or more
Sounds just like German National Service. Either they go into the military or they serve their time in civil projects i.e. hospitals etc
Dave_Notts
Quote by GnV
So you can equally prove that every vehicle on the public highway owned/used by a "traveller" is properly taxed and insured and that is the reason the Police take no action against them?
C'mon Dave.
Of course not and no I can't prove that claim, but thats not what I claimed.
My claim is that the Travellers do not get away with it if they are discovered to have broken the law and the police can provide evidence that will support a conviction beyond all reasonable doubt. This is what happens with Travellers and any other person in this country.........except embassy staff
Dave_Notts
Quote by starlightcouple
no :doh: here mr notts. just that the deputy of any political persuasion just seems a very weak and lame piece of evidence to use. does this artical carry any political substance? what from a deputy PM who is not and has never been in power of any sort? now there is indeed a :doh:
So what evidence on numbers would you like to see then Star? What is acceptable to you?
I have given you a link to a paper from a government office (P.S. it is the ODPM not the actual DPM who wrote it), links from those that work or are active in the field of travellers, with one being a pamphlet from those who represent them but there are numerous national newspaper links who also give the same figures.
But it seems none of these are acceptable. It seems that the figures that you plucked from the sky are the ones you are clinging to. In that case it is not worth discussing this particular issue with you as you have made up your mind on no evidence except your own perception.
Quote by starlightcouple
plenty of substance it is just that you do not want to accept that these peeple are a bloody nuisance.
Looks like the goal posts are changing. I have never disputed that some are a nuisance in certain circumstances, I am disputing the ridiculous claim of a two tiered law system and the reasons why they actually do it.
Dave_Notts
Nothing wrong with a reservist unit. In all armies throughout time, there has always been first class units and then secondary units who are less combat ready. These are then used in less risky locations.........with a caveat that they will be thrown into it if the backs were against the wall, including cooks/mechanics/etc. In WWII there were full TA batalions (with a smattering of regular officers and NCOs thrown in).
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I take it that you missed the publication by the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister :doh:
As for the rest, just rhetoric without substance. Same old, same old. I would love to see a link to show that the police are too scared to uphold the law because the camps are travellers...............but I may not hold my breath for it.
The ancient history is the reason that there is this problem now. If the old customs would still apply now then there would not be so many problems now. For example, people complain about the east european migrant workers doing agricultural work. This used to be done by the Gypsies, yet when the laws were changed so they could not park up on a farmers land, with the farmers permission for the harvest. Then the farmers did not employ them but went for the migrants instead.
Most of this mess has been put on this country, and the Gypsy, by subsequent governments.
Dave_Notts
As for the rest, just rhetoric without substance. Same old, same old. I would love to see a link to show that the police are too scared to uphold the law because the camps are travellers...............but I may not hold my breath for it.
The ancient history is the reason that there is this problem now. If the old customs would still apply now then there would not be so many problems now. For example, people complain about the east european migrant workers doing agricultural work. This used to be done by the Gypsies, yet when the laws were changed so they could not park up on a farmers land, with the farmers permission for the harvest. Then the farmers did not employ them but went for the migrants instead.
Most of this mess has been put on this country, and the Gypsy, by subsequent governments.
Dave_Notts
Quote by GnV
But that's the problem being outlined Dave which you are failing to grasp; they often are NOT dealt with within the law so I guess you have a problem with that after all...
Another item cleared up.
When are the Travellers getting away with breaking the law G? This is the laughable thing about this whole thread. "The Travellers get away with it" is bandied all over this thread..............but the irony is that the Travellers were evicted from Dale Farm, so they lost. Yet it is used over and over and over again as an example of them getting away with breaking the law.
Nobody has shown mass examples of Travellers getting away with any laws. The two examples of Dale Farm and the shooting of Barras showed that the Travellers faced the law and were dealt with.
Quote by GnV
But if the costs are covered by insurance... No cost to the public purse
Excess? Premiums? Uninsurable costs?
There is always a cost G
Dave_Notts
Quote by GnV
The fact that the Police, by their inappropriate action cause extra expense to the public purse. In the latest case, why should the local tax payer have to find the cost of evicting these people?
Their land held by the local council. See my responce to Star on why they do it G. It'll save typing it out again.
Quote by GnV
The tax payer could I suppose instigate a Class Action against the Chief Constable for his officers incompetence; presumably he (or she) has appropriate insurance but why should the tax payer foot the bill (no pun intended)?
Robbing Peter to pay Paul. The Police are funded through local taxation and central budgets that come from taxpayers.
Dave_Notts
Quote by starlightcouple
you carry on believing that mr notts, but for me and for others you are in a minority of 1.
You make me laugh Star. I now imagine you as the caped crusader on a mission to save Britain from the scourge of the Traveller. In fact, you are a voice who speaks for you and you alone. If anyone else wishes to agree or disagree then they can voice their opion on the forum. Until that time your opinion differs to mine.
Mind you, have I gave my opinion on the Travellers? I can't remember if I have or not......all I have done is shown that your claims are only your opinion based on nothing. All your claims I have read around and could find nothing to support your opinion, but plenty that discredits it.
Quote by starlightcouple
where on earth do you get that ludicrous statement above from? nobody can possibly have a clue as to how many are on the road. nobody has a clue how many are in the UK. i was not aware that travellers gave that information to anyone, you must have friends in high places then, or as i suspect making it up. :notes:
" Statistics for Irish Travellers in the UK do not exist, although in 2011, for the first time, the census categorised Romanies (including Roma) and Irish Travellers as distinct ethnic groups ". so,,,,, where are your stats from mr notts?
Search and thee shall find:
Quote by starlightcouple
where i live we constantly get these peeple parking up in local council fields, and then the council having to clear up after them. the filth they leave behind to which i as a taxpayer have to pay for in the clean up every 3 months.
Now this is an interesting point. Why do they park up illegaly? When the gypsy men were away fighting for King and Country this country made authorised sites for the horses & caravans to be housed. However, in '46 they removed this. So thanks for risking your lives and making the ultimate sacrifice but now it is over you are out on your ear.............Rule Britania.
Since then, more Acts & Regulations have been introduced or repealed stopping Gypsies from settling, so some have no option but to keep moving and stopping illegally because where it was once legal to to stop it is now illegal. The law makers have made this situation for the country and the Gypsies.........it is not the Gypsies that has mad it, it has been thrust upon them. For this reason, they have my sympathy. When they break the law and are dealt with within the law then I have no problems with that either.
Dave_Notts
Quote by MidsCouple24
I would have to agree with the above for the majority of the Gypsy population the world over
25% of Gypsies/Travellers are on the road. That means 75% of the rest are not and 50% are in houses............paying council tax, rent, mortages, utilities, etc
Generalisations are flying thick and fast in this thread
Dave_Notts
Quote by GnV
Then I look forward to your comments on this one Dave.
The ever-so-helpful forces of gipsy lawlessness will definitely be costing the local taxpayer purse on this one....
Perhaps Dave Dawson might be employed by the local council as a consultant....
Comment on what G?
This one would cost the tax payer money as it is public/council land..........i.e. the council are the landowner so they have to remove them.
Dave Dawsons land so he had to remove them.
This seems quite straight forward to me and I can't see why you don't grasp that the Council would not have been liable for the civil case involving Dave Dawson.
Dave_Notts
Quote by starlightcouple
nope but it looks that way from things i have read, and if it is not that way then goes to prove to me the lunacy of the justice system in this country,,,,,again.
So in short, you were wrong...............and you do not want the law that protects you, to apply to travellers. Now I get it :thumbup:
Quote by starlightcouple
never? ok then once in one of those blue moon thingys.
Wrong again, thanks for admitting it.
Quote by starlightcouple
we all know as do the police of there untaxed and un insured vehicles, and there tax avoidance jobs with cash in hand. that has also been on tv in one of the Donal MacIntyre programmes, and then he was threatened with death if his show reported the going on's of p's sorry gypsies.
Untaxed and uninsured vehicles are stopped by the police and removed from the road. There is no exemption for travellers and the police would find it laughable that it is suggested.
All travellers avoid tax? I wonder if Shane Wards and Cheryl Lloyds tax bill is slightly higher than yours Star?
Quote by starlightcouple
were they not there as the allegation was that the p's sorry gypsies had broken onto his land? were the police there for the reason you have stated and only that reason mr notts?
They were there to oversee the actions of Mr Dawson. States that in the initial story.
Quote by starlightcouple
with the way our laws are at the moment he thought it best as we all remember what happened to that other land owner who shot a gypsy after breaking into his house. maybe the landowner here did not want a repeat of the innocent house/land owner being once again finding themselves on the wrong side of the law, while those law abiding p's sorry gypsies get away scott free,,,again. just a thought and an observation of how things usually go for mr public when they dare to challenge the p's sorry gypsies.
Barras was shot dead. If that is getting away with it………..I would hate to think what punishment you want dispensed.
Fearon was jailed for burglary……..once again he got away with it.
Quote by starlightcouple
no not this time mr notts as they came across someone who was not prepared to let these peeple get away with things.
Wrong again. Thanks for admitting it
Quote by starlightcouple
they took the much easier option and no doubt found an easier mug to walk over. as for dale farm you seriously expecting anyone here to agree with you mr notts? as i have said before if that had happened to mr public there is no way it would have taken basildon council ten weeks to get them off, let alone ten years and i believe 20 million pounds of basildon councils tax monies in doing so.
This is an old argument that I disproved earlier in this thread. Read it over and over again does not make it become true.
Quote by starlightcouple
by saying the law applied the same to them as it would to me is laughable and you know it.
Why? You have not shown me one law that exempts Travellers.
Quote by starlightcouple
i watched a programme that was shown in 2006 where the p's sorry gypsies went along to a public meeting held by basildon council over the dale farm problem. the intimidation local residents and members of basildon council faced was alarming and frightening.
Somebody was evicting you from your home………you would not use the full extent of the law?
Quote by starlightcouple
the dale farm residents used every trick in the book to stay there and even when basildon council won and they started to evict, basildon council not only knew from the start about the cost they faced and the intimidation they would face, but also the possibilty that someone as the dale farm residents predicted, would lose there life. thankfully that did not happen but it could have.
It could have, but didn’t. I could have been hit with a meteorite today………but I didn’t.
Quote by starlightcouple
the p's sorry gypsies have clever lawyers
They wouldn’t hire stupid ones
Quote by starlightcouple
and one wonders where the p's sorry gypsies get the money from to pay these expensive lawyers, silly me we already know that one. :doh:
I know Cher Lloyd and Shane Ward get their money from people buying their products. Business usually earns money from selling a product or service……………so I’ll take a guess, selling something or offering a service.
Quote by starlightcouple
my friend lives near a traveller
Police do not enter my house. That’s because I have not broken the law…………Is my house a “no-go area”? If I did break the law then they would turn up mob handed as it is the safest way, for them and me, to detain me.
Anyway, the thousands of gypsy servicemen who served in World War One & Two (including two Victoria Cross (VC) holders), and those that didn’t return, would feel proud to see that the freedom they fought and died for was being used to disgrace their honour.
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