Pump prices have two major components, raw material, refining and shipping can be lumped together as one, then there is the duty as the other.
Oil is become more scarce, as stuff becomes more scarce the price goes up !! Don't think it'll ever come back down to any large extent, refining and shipping costs are unlikely to fall.
As to the duty, it serves the Gov very well to have high duty, gives them lots of revenue, also means less cars on the road, so less road repairs, traffic jams etc. So I predict the Gov will make only token reductions, if any, to the duty in the forseeable future.
Why should the rich worry that the poor can't afford to run their cars ?
John
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Quote by Max777
Dress it up this way, its a result thats legal and you can take strike action with. Thts all that matters.
An interesting thread it bears home a lot of what I said before. People look too much now at what others get that they dont rather than looking at if what they are getting is fair.
Does anyone know what the threshold is where action becomes legal?
I dont think people look, or are bothered that much by what others may get. However, perhaps when those same people are striking over loosing some thing that the onlookers already do without they may feel less inclined to support that action.
I worded my point in several instances rather badly. I dont care what people get that I dont. That said if I see someone or a group of people getting something that I do not and having it unfairly removed then I wouldent go against their action. I dont go as far as saying I will support it as I probably wont actually do anything. In a political instance if I thought that group was particularly hard done by it might effect my voting. Works in reverse too if I see a group getting less than I do having something taken away I would act the same. So Blue I dont support your view of not supporting people cus I didnt have that anyway.
As one is who affected by this, i think it is also worth pointing out that the present govt proposals will also affect private sector pensions. last year the govt effectively reduced existing pensions from RPI to CPI, ok so it may not make seem a lot. However 1/4 % reduction compounded over the life of your retirement is no small is also the basis that they wish to pay benefits in the future. So everyone in reciept of any benefit/s will be affected. In addition a nunber of private companies also follow the Govt lead in respect of wage increases and pensions, so therefore in future these will be based on the the lower CPI. Effectively the proposed strike may actually benefit those in the private sector too. One other thing i would add is that i will lose a days pay when i strike, i am prepared to do so. However, i can guarantee you, my work will not be done by a.n. other and will be waiting for me on my return. It is not like making widgets where production is lost by my absence. No matter how much people argue against the action and unions, one should always remember that most of the "good" working conditions that all employess enjoy are predominately because of unions.
So we in the private sector might also benefit? It's a shame that the public sector workers didn't take action when Gordon Brown ( and his then lacky Ed Balls) decided to implement an annual £5 billion raid on private pension schemes back in 1997, a move which contributed to the closure of many final salary schemes and the complete closure of other pension schemes.
Of course it didn't affect them then but they now expect our support!
So Max if YOU were in work at the time, did YOU go on strike against it?
J & S
I was in work then and am now. My pension is with Equitable Life ( I'm totally fucked!) and is privately funded. Who could I have gone on strike against?
You would withdraw your labour for a period of time against a decision made by the Gov. same as all the Teachers etc are doing. If your job is important they might reverse their decision. But they might not. But at least you'd be fighting it. To shrug and accept it means you don't care what happened to your pension.
J & S
Quote by Max777
Dress it up this way, its a result thats legal and you can take strike action with. Thts all that matters.
An interesting thread it bears home a lot of what I said before. People look too much now at what others get that they dont rather than looking at if what they are getting is fair.
Does anyone know what the threshold is where action becomes legal?
I dont think people look, or are bothered that much by what others may get. However, perhaps when those same people are striking over loosing some thing that the onlookers already do without they may feel less inclined to support that action.
I worded my point in several instances rather badly. I dont care what people get that I dont. That said if I see someone or a group of people getting something that I do not and having it unfairly removed then I wouldent go against their action. I dont go as far as saying I will support it as I probably wont actually do anything. In a political instance if I thought that group was particularly hard done by it might effect my voting. Works in reverse too if I see a group getting less than I do having something taken away I would act the same. So Blue I dont support your view of not supporting people cus I didnt have that anyway.
As one is who affected by this, i think it is also worth pointing out that the present govt proposals will also affect private sector pensions. last year the govt effectively reduced existing pensions from RPI to CPI, ok so it may not make seem a lot. However 1/4 % reduction compounded over the life of your retirement is no small is also the basis that they wish to pay benefits in the future. So everyone in reciept of any benefit/s will be affected. In addition a nunber of private companies also follow the Govt lead in respect of wage increases and pensions, so therefore in future these will be based on the the lower CPI. Effectively the proposed strike may actually benefit those in the private sector too. One other thing i would add is that i will lose a days pay when i strike, i am prepared to do so. However, i can guarantee you, my work will not be done by a.n. other and will be waiting for me on my return. It is not like making widgets where production is lost by my absence. No matter how much people argue against the action and unions, one should always remember that most of the "good" working conditions that all employess enjoy are predominately because of unions.
So we in the private sector might also benefit? It's a shame that the public sector workers didn't take action when Gordon Brown ( and his then lacky Ed Balls) decided to implement an annual £5 billion raid on private pension schemes back in 1997, a move which contributed to the closure of many final salary schemes and the complete closure of other pension schemes.
Of course it didn't affect them then but they now expect our support!
So Max if YOU were in work at the time, did YOU go on strike against it?
J & S
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I do believe in the opt out idea, but I wonder if there isn't another option ... make it a statutory requirement that the families of all recently deceased people are ASKED if they will allow organs to be harvested,sometimes a polite and sensitive request may be all that's required
Again along the same lines, why are there no Blood Transfusion rooms at Hospitals? The National Blood Transfusion Service finds it hard to get donors, but if you'd just visited someone in hospital, say who had been in a crash and the Nurse explained that they had been given 10 pints of blood to survive. Then you might well roll up your sleeve if the Nurse then said "You can donate now at the room near reception".
J & S
There will always be scum in the World !!! Also read today that some people are deliberatly hurting / killing their pets in order to claim on their pet insurance.
On the otherhand, there were loads of young Army / Navy / Air Cadets at Rememberance parades on Sunday, loads of ordinary people do voluntary work etc and these outnumber the scum, thankfully.
J & S
On the otherhand, there were loads of young Army / Navy / Air Cadets at Rememberance parades on Sunday, loads of ordinary people do voluntary work etc and these outnumber the scum, thankfully.
J & S
Sounds like a good idea. I also do not like the "opt-out or we'll take your bits" idea.
Another idea along the same lines is used in France. Apparently if you live within sight of a Nuclear Power Station you get your electricity for free. Seems they have very few objectors when they want to build a new one nearby your house.
J & S
Another idea along the same lines is used in France. Apparently if you live within sight of a Nuclear Power Station you get your electricity for free. Seems they have very few objectors when they want to build a new one nearby your house.
J & S
I'd agree with Dean, that if someone famous has a story which involves raising awareness of an illness or disability then the publicity they can generate seems like a good thing.
I'd also like to see the "celeb" working hands-on for an organisation involved with their problem. ie like Jimmy Savile who actually pushed trollies at Leeds Hospital even tho he could quite easily just given them money (which I'm sure he did as well).
John
I'd also like to see the "celeb" working hands-on for an organisation involved with their problem. ie like Jimmy Savile who actually pushed trollies at Leeds Hospital even tho he could quite easily just given them money (which I'm sure he did as well).
John
Quote by Too Hot
It is only sensible that pension arrangements are reviewed every decade or so. Problem that we humans have is that we don't like perceived bad change and want everything to always be the same - we welcome change for good but just can't cope with "negative" change.
Unfortunately Acturial evidence proves that we live longer now than we did in the previous generation and the next generation will live longer than us. How can the same calculations then be applied to three generations each of whom will live longer than the previous.
It is perfectly sensible to review these arrangents and no tax payer - private or public can argue with that because extra payments and/or a longer working life is needed to make up for the extra payments needed in later life as a resulted of an extended lifespan.
Hang on, isn't the health lobby always saying that the next generation will die earlier than it's parents due to obesity / alcohol comsumption / never moving from the couch / drugs / superbugs / global warming etc etc ??
J & S
Quote by northwest-cpl
You'll be accosted up and down the strip offering escorts and sex clubs. We didn't try any though.
Do couples get offered the above ?? Assumed the authorities would try and stamp that out.
J & S
They hit on couples all the time. They reach across the women to give cards to the men. Mrs northwest was very affronted that they didn't offer them to her.
We've been to the Red Rooster - was ok but not a lot of playing. I think it might be quite dear for a single guy. There's also the Green Door and the Power Exchange that are mixed. If the Power Exchange is like the one in San Francisco it's not worth bothering with - awful place.
Excellent !!! Can't wait for some Vagas husler to get a mouthful of Geordie abuse from Shel because they assumed she would not be interested in a sex club !!
John
Quote by Bluefish2009
Is it right that Unison are calling a strike over pensions when only 29% of members bothered to vote?
Members of the Unison trade union have voted in favour of striking against the government's plans to change public service pension schemes.
There was a 78% majority, with 245,358 in favour and 70,253 against on a 29% turnout.
The vote means there is likely to be a huge national strike on 30 November.
This 29% turnout make the ballot look as if most can't be bothered to vote, but it is a questionable figure.
Does it mean 29% of the total membership of Unison ? Or 29% of the workforce in the effected workplace be they members of the union or not. Or 29% of issued ballot papers were returned ?
I think Unison has around 1,000,000 members, spread across a large range of industries / workplaces so the combined figure of @315,000 would suggest a fairly large return from the workplace ballots. I suggest most people would want to vote on this, not least as they would be losing a day's pay on the run-up to Xmas, not to mention the concern about future pensions.
I am not in the balloted group so have no direct involvment either way, but I certainly have loads of sympathy for those affected.
John
I am pretty certain that it was leased rather than owned. Why not try and contact former management or make enquires to the owner of the property ?
If the former management just shut the doors and walked away then there is a fully fitted (tho a jacuzzi would be nice) swingers club just waiting to re-open !!
J & S
If the former management just shut the doors and walked away then there is a fully fitted (tho a jacuzzi would be nice) swingers club just waiting to re-open !!
J & S
There are many, many instances of "Terrorists" going on to lead a Country and then become "Allies" of the Country they were terrorising against. Most notably, Israel, the activities of the Stern Gang against the British in 1945 / 1946 were very similar to the PIRA 30 years later. Yet members of the Stern Gang went on to be high officals in Israel.
Robert Mugabe, not so well liked now, but back in the day he was a "freedom fighter" well liked by many people in the West.
Still, be nice to see McGuinness sorting out Irelands financial problems without borrowing any dosh from the hated Brits !! A case of "be carefull what you wish for, it might just come true !!"
John
Robert Mugabe, not so well liked now, but back in the day he was a "freedom fighter" well liked by many people in the West.
Still, be nice to see McGuinness sorting out Irelands financial problems without borrowing any dosh from the hated Brits !! A case of "be carefull what you wish for, it might just come true !!"
John
Quote by neilinleeds
It's properly starting to piss me right off so it is. Thing is, like everyone else, I don't know how to direct that anger either?
N x x x ;)
Probably those same words were said by ordinary people, recently, in lets say, Eygpt, Tunisia, Syria and Libya. Maybe Russia in early 1900s, France in the 1780s.
I do believe people can be pushed too far and it's usually because the people at the top don't (or don't want to) understand what is happening outside of their own way of life.
John
Quote by MidsCouple24
Whoops your quite right, just checked and we did have single males blocked, sorry for that, must have done it years ago and as we were still getting those annoying and timewasting "friends requests" from guys (and couples) we didn't realise it was activated, it is off now.
Mids.........
This isn't just a Homer moment, this is a coffee meets monitor moment
I think some back peddling is needed in this thread
Glad you got it sorted, and now you may be able to recieve more PM's :thumbup:
Dave_Notts
I doubt the guy you are talking about requires us to back peddle, he does not seem the type to require that kind of thing after we appologised in the first place and he is the only one we said we hadn't recieved a mail from, to be honest we would have expected him to be informed by the site if a mail cannot be sent to someone due to thier privacy settings but obvously that is not the case on this site. We have now corrected our mistake and held our hands up to it if people believe that an apology is not enough just say in the thread and we will close our account as a pennance. that should make you happy
Everybody makes mistakes, nobody got hurt, please dont leave the site !!
John & Shel
Why not give the Cops paint-ball guns? They give a nice wallop to the person receiving the shot and leave a nice colour which will enable the Police to see who has been hit, thus easier to arrest.
Actually I think ordinary people would be quite prepared to take on the roll of marksmen (markswomen), a few volleys would certainly discourage the rioters and provide an element of competition to the shooters.
Or, why don't the Cops hide in the nearest Currys / PC World when trouble looks likely to break out, cos thats where most looters head straight for, looters come in the front door, cops nick them and herd them out the back. Simples !!!
John
Actually I think ordinary people would be quite prepared to take on the roll of marksmen (markswomen), a few volleys would certainly discourage the rioters and provide an element of competition to the shooters.
Or, why don't the Cops hide in the nearest Currys / PC World when trouble looks likely to break out, cos thats where most looters head straight for, looters come in the front door, cops nick them and herd them out the back. Simples !!!
John
Agree with you Jed.
But the news today has stuff about on-line petitions which, if the get over 100,000 signitures the Gov "must" debate them in Parliment. Bringing back hanging was one such petition. Now I have no great faith that these will actually atchieve anything, hey when did the wishes of the population count for anything?
But maybe it would be worth starting an on-line petetion on the Gov website about giving more to British charities instead of sending it abroad ??
John
But the news today has stuff about on-line petitions which, if the get over 100,000 signitures the Gov "must" debate them in Parliment. Bringing back hanging was one such petition. Now I have no great faith that these will actually atchieve anything, hey when did the wishes of the population count for anything?
But maybe it would be worth starting an on-line petetion on the Gov website about giving more to British charities instead of sending it abroad ??
John
