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we are rapidly becoming a selfish society of one.
Even the BBC recognise that, as they have a program called The One Show :thrilled:
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Quote by MidsCouple24
Lost me now, when and where did I say anything about the EU ? as far as I am aware, Europe is still Europe with or without EU membership, has Switzerland been moved to a new continent just because it is not an EU member state ?
The financial aid being given to Syria has nothing to do with Europe or the EU, we are in fact giving more financial aid than anyone else including neighbouring Arab Nations and the USA.
aha! when you said "Great Britain gives more financial aid to Syria than any other European Nation" I think you meant to add the word "does" at the end...
Then your post makes sense in the context intended :jagsatwork:
Fair point but since when did you have to be in the EU to be a European Nation, once again I bring peoples attention to Switzerland, a non-EU member which is considered by most to be in Europe, even Western Europe an not the new Eastern Europe much of which used to be considered as not in Europe but in the USSR.
Sorry to be pedantic but... Syria is not in the continent of Europe which is why your postwas confusing... Syria is located in southwest Asia and is therefore in the continent of Asia, not Europe.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Lost me now, when and where did I say anything about the EU ? as far as I am aware, Europe is still Europe with or without EU membership, has Switzerland been moved to a new continent just because it is not an EU member state ?
The financial aid being given to Syria has nothing to do with Europe or the EU, we are in fact giving more financial aid than anyone else including neighbouring Arab Nations and the USA.
aha! when you said "Great Britain gives more financial aid to Syria than any other European Nation" I think you meant to add the word "does" at the end...
Then your post makes sense in the context intended :jagsatwork:
Quote by Jed
Great Britain gives more financial aid to Syria than any other European Nation.
:silly:
When did Syria join the EU?
More worrying just now than the subsidised booze being served in the Palace of Westminster is the claim about rings in the 'mother' of all Parliaments and the subsequent 'cover ups' and lost dossiers...
I second that view TH.
The UK is f*cked. Huge amounts of tax receipts but yet, as reported today, an 87 year old, married for 60 years is banged up by Manchester Police for 7 hours without food for doing no more than supplying a patch to assist his severely disabled wife suffering considerable pain from arthritis.
It then takes them 2 months to tell him that he will face no charges!!!
What a despicable country.
What despicable people treat their elderly in such a way? Courts that sit in secret and the criminal who beats old ladies about the head with a pistol is allowed to walk free from a Prison to be unlawfully at large and the Police can't be bothered to post their details because it might 'harm his human rights'.
People ask me when I will be returning to live in the UK. The answer is NEVER. I cannot think right now of a single reason which draws me to the land where I was born. Indeed, I am ashamed to admit that I am English (oh shit, I can't say that now can I).
'We're all in it together' except of course if you are politician, social services worker, banker, policier and so on and so on.
but the ordinary hard working people of England are shat on time and time again. It's time for the revolution but sadly, no-one listens.
Rant over.
The UK is f*cked. Huge amounts of tax receipts but yet, as reported today, an 87 year old, married for 60 years is banged up by Manchester Police for 7 hours without food for doing no more than supplying a patch to assist his severely disabled wife suffering considerable pain from arthritis.
It then takes them 2 months to tell him that he will face no charges!!!
What a despicable country.
What despicable people treat their elderly in such a way? Courts that sit in secret and the criminal who beats old ladies about the head with a pistol is allowed to walk free from a Prison to be unlawfully at large and the Police can't be bothered to post their details because it might 'harm his human rights'.
People ask me when I will be returning to live in the UK. The answer is NEVER. I cannot think right now of a single reason which draws me to the land where I was born. Indeed, I am ashamed to admit that I am English (oh shit, I can't say that now can I).
'We're all in it together' except of course if you are politician, social services worker, banker, policier and so on and so on.
but the ordinary hard working people of England are shat on time and time again. It's time for the revolution but sadly, no-one listens.
Rant over.
Just like the dog food advert... was that 73% of workers who were allowed to express their OWN opinion voted to strike? The actual fact is that democracy was NOT at work
The workers were bullied into voting for Scargill on the threat of certain death if they didn't.But we've had that argument from you before. Yawn
You haven't addressed the question about democracy at work in the EU. Perhaps the concepts are beyond your ken but it is not the MEPs who influence the diktats from Brussels, it's the Commission and the Council of Ministers and the very well paid (by you and me) eurocrats who's names you may or may not know but which never, ever appear on a ballot paper.
There are 750+ MEPs. 24 of them UKIP. If you really think that by not attending will make a ha'porth of difference to the outcome of the legislative program, then you are more naive that I actually gave you credit for :lol2:
Quote by deancannock
if an MP..or MEP abstained once or maybe twice I would accept they can not make there mind up.....but to not bother to attend, listen to any arguments, or vote, I would simply consider lazy and greedy. If they really feel the European Parliament is not worth it, then they should give back their money, and resign their seat. It would certainly make for interesting news that. there again...I won't be holding my breath.
Its quite simple really, GNV....why stand as a representative of the people, if you are going to bother to represent them !! I simply can't see the logic. At least attend and vote against everything.....it might not be preety, but at least it would register their disapproval.
Because, as I said, they believe their time is better spent pursuing alternative ways of achieving the same objective - and saving the tax payer's money to boot
I know you are from a mining community but please, you do have to move on. Modern methods work much more effectively than calling everyone 'scabs' and herding them into car parks to vote like sheep in the so called name of democracy having first been browbeaten into the choices they must make as demanded by their so called masters. Where is the democracy in that?
The modern MP MEP works in his/her constituency to inform and to look after their constituents interests as best they are able rather than follow rainbows and shadows to suit some ill-conceived notion that traipsing into voting lobbies (personally or electronically as the case may be) is the best use of their time.
Besides, please do remember that it is the Council of Ministers who have the say as to what is on the agenda; the MEPs are just cannon fodder and their vote counts not a jot, it's just a ruse to make it seems as though democracy is working!
Democracy is not what the EU is all about. The unelected Commission, Council of Ministers and the army of eurocrats are the people who make the decisions and impose their will on the citizens of Europe so not being in the chamber but getting on with the real work is what really matters to the electorate.
By the way, where's your MP today? He/she/it is certainly not in the HoC chamber debating something important and casting his vote.... Maybe in their Constituency doing the real work of being a politician or something else more useful perhaps?
A famous political speech has just popped up:
'It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government. Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.
Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.
I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place. Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the the name of God, go!'
Oliver Cromwell to his fellow parliamentarians. So appropriate right now all round.
'It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government. Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.
Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.
I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place. Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the the name of God, go!'
Oliver Cromwell to his fellow parliamentarians. So appropriate right now all round.
Quote by deancannock
Understanding subtlety was never your strongest point dean.
This might help though:
It's a quality not quantity issue. If you want to talk about 'noses in troughs' that fits the traditional labour MEP to a T. Always out to extract as much personal wealth out of the taxpayer...
No, you misunderstood. UKIP can't change Europe single handedly from within but they can make a difference. They are the hardest working by a country mile (or is it ). The way forward, as evidenced in last weeks' elections, is to educate.
UKIP don't want to change Europe per se; they don't want to be in it - they want the UK out of it!
Please remember that I'm not necessarily a fan of UKIP. I can't see the point in personally taking a 'turkey voting for Christmas' approach when the result of that might put my residency in France at risk. But, I have to admit that NF has played a blinder in this election and good luck to him! He has shown the traditional parties up for what they are, lying cheating money grabbing little sh*ts who are in it for their own ends.
Oh..so you now provide a link that proves that when you said their low attendance was a MYTH you were totally wrong. Why stand for election, if you then intend to promote yourselves on youtube and television...(their words provided by you..thanks.) But seems they prefer to take their £100k salary and do nothing except put a video on you-tube ??
They even criticize the labour MEP that has a 95% attendance record. Surely that is what a MEP does....he represents you in Europe.
How can you make a difference without casting a vote. I know you been away for a while GNV, but that's what we here call democracy. You vote in a representative, that then they cast their vote on your behalf. I don't vote so some bloke can play on youtube all day.
Twisting the response again dean
Anyway, so how do you line that up with any MP, MEP who abstains when you would prefer him/her/it to vote on your behalf? That's democracy!
When your vote can't have an effect (playing the numbers game) but you want change, do what you can to influence it rather than just be a puppet.
Understanding subtlety was never your strongest point dean.
This might help though:
It's a quality not quantity issue. If you want to talk about 'noses in troughs' that fits the traditional labour MEP to a T. Always out to extract as much personal wealth out of the taxpayer...
No, you misunderstood. UKIP can't change Europe single handedly from within but they can make a difference. They are the hardest working by a country mile (or is it ). The way forward, as evidenced in last weeks' elections, is to educate.
UKIP don't want to change Europe per se; they don't want to be in it - they want the UK out of it!
Please remember that I'm not necessarily a fan of UKIP. I can't see the point in personally taking a 'turkey voting for Christmas' approach when the result of that might put my residency in France at risk. But, I have to admit that NF has played a blinder in this election and good luck to him! He has shown the traditional parties up for what they are, lying cheating money grabbing little sh*ts who are in it for their own ends.
This might help though:
It's a quality not quantity issue. If you want to talk about 'noses in troughs' that fits the traditional labour MEP to a T. Always out to extract as much personal wealth out of the taxpayer...
No, you misunderstood. UKIP can't change Europe single handedly from within but they can make a difference. They are the hardest working by a country mile (or is it ). The way forward, as evidenced in last weeks' elections, is to educate.
UKIP don't want to change Europe per se; they don't want to be in it - they want the UK out of it!
Please remember that I'm not necessarily a fan of UKIP. I can't see the point in personally taking a 'turkey voting for Christmas' approach when the result of that might put my residency in France at risk. But, I have to admit that NF has played a blinder in this election and good luck to him! He has shown the traditional parties up for what they are, lying cheating money grabbing little sh*ts who are in it for their own ends.
Quote by gustavv
Re Scottish Independance:
I work with two Scotsmen and as they live in England they are not entitled to vote.
My English mate who lives in Livingston is entitled to vote as he's on the electorial roll up there.
This is correct - it's purely down to where you are registered to vote. If you live in Scotland you can vote, regardless of 'Nationality', if you don't live there you can't vote, it's that simple. It might seem a bit unfair but any other way would be far too complicated to administer.
It could be argued that if you are Scottish, but don't live there, you can't be that bothered about Independence. I work with two Scotsmen (in England) and both would vote no if they had a vote.
As for UKIP, I can't see why anyone would vote for them in the General Election as they only have one policy, i.e. to get out of Europe. I've no idea what their policies are on the Economy, Education, Energy, Health, Transport, etc., all of which would seem to be quite important if they are to sit in our Parliament and influence the running of the country!
As a protest vote to make the major parties sit up and take notice of the electorate's dissatisfaction with the stuff coming out of Brussels I can see some sense in voting UKIP in these elections, although I don't see how they are going to represent the interests of our country in Europe if they don't want to be there.
It's a myth put about by the Cons, LibDems and Labour to suit their own purposes.
The UKIP MEPs are amongst the hardest working of the UK MEPs and believe me, they want to be there.
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:love::love::love: BEARDS! :love::love::love: Anything but a lincoln or a chinstrap is A-OK by me! I am so pleased facial hair has become socially acceptable, fashionable even, not just with older men but also with young ones! I don't really have a preference whether a guy is clean-shaven or bearded (I know it doesn't suit everyone), but I always appreciate a good beard.
Even TV's with beards are more acceptable these days... al la Eurovision Song Contest winner
Quote by deancannock
I know I have won when GnV....can't think of anything else to say !!
It's not really my argument dean...
After all, as I said earlier in the thread (if you were taking notice) I couldn't care a flying fuck about NF or any of the others come to think of it. I had a postal vote for the election next week but looking at the list I couldn't be bothered to spend the few centimes it would cost to send the vote back. All of them a bunch of pricks, to be honest (even the female ones!) :lol2:
Besides, it's good manners to let Chish speak for himself in response to your most recent errr... what might you call it? missive??
Quote by deancannock
lol...GNV...do you think before you type..lol
saying the three day week was unions fault....is like saying the twin towers terrorist attack was actually Americas doing !!!
Black Wednesday is regarded by anyone with financial noose as our lowest point economically ever.....
Poll tax fair..lol.....that's why mass riots on the streets eh !!! One person lives in a house....or 6 people live in a house...you still only get one bin removed and emptied !!! No tax is wholely fair to all, but the Poll tax was the worst thought out tax ever.
I and I think anyone with a grain of thought would list the three occurrences listed above as Britain's worst situations in recent history.
HoHo...
Ok, black Wednesday leaving the ERM. Labour? The Pound in your pocket etc... (you're probably too young)
3 day week... Coal miners... (oh yes, we've been there already) Thank goodness someone stood up to the commie barstewards. As for the Americans doing the twin towers... it probably was - CIA an' all
Poll Tax - your example. Yes. It doesn't matter how much is IN the bin.. it still has to be collected FFS (although under Labour, it became less frequent) just as much as you still must pay for schools even if you don't have kids.
Your turn :kick:
And oh, when you know what you're talking about, there is little need to think before typing...
Quote by deancannock
now then....lets see our lowest points in last few years.....3 day week....rubbish piling up the street...oh yes that was ted heath...and the conservatives.....black Wednesday.....oh yes that was john major and the conservatives.....poll tax mass roits in our streets...oh yes that was Margaret thatcher and the conservatives.....
Does seem you need to take a look around and maybe taking off the blinkers will help.
Oh dean.
Still hanging on? Just like GB when he wouldn't leave Downing Street after losing the last election?? Ah well.
Rubbish piling up on the streets... Union problem
Black Wednesday... not at all as bad as GB flogging off the gold reserves at rock bottom prices...
Poll Tax... you still happy with the amount people are having to pay now? The so called poll tax was a fair tax. Just like Labour calling something else the 'bedroom' tax - which it is not.
There are all the bleeding same mate... Same meat, different gravy every time (only in UK you ask for beef and get horse - not unlike voting Bliar and getting Brown really
) Dean, you don't seem to have so much intelligence as to recognise that they are all the bleeding same!
Why just pick on poor NF? He pisses in the same pot as the best of them.
On the other hand, none of his party's MEP's have been banged up for cheating the tax payer on expenses and cash for questions now, have they?
Get real mate.
Why just pick on poor NF? He pisses in the same pot as the best of them.
On the other hand, none of his party's MEP's have been banged up for cheating the tax payer on expenses and cash for questions now, have they?
Get real mate.
Quote by HnS
First 'spin doctor' cuts short his own leader on LBC interview
Then accusations of hypocrisy have been levelled at UKIP's small business spokesman after it emerged that seven people were arrested for immigration offences in a raid on his restaurant.
The eurosceptic party have made immigration a centrepiece of their election campaign and have stoked controversy with posters warning about the threat of foreign labour to UK jobs.
The Home Office confirmed that seven people were arrested "for a variety of immigration offences" and a civil penalty notice was served after the raid on his Bar and Grill in Manchester on June 1 last year.
The restaurant was set up by UKIP European election candidate Amjad Bashir with his two sons. Having understood to have agreed to an interview on this evenings BBC North West Tonight (regional 18:30 news programme) he then pulled out at short notice.
More 'spin doctor' guidance ?
Sorry H
Was that a vote for or against NF :lol2:
Now, where's Kenty when you need him....
Quote by dean
by sending someone else to contest the seat instead of himself...
Awww c'mon dean. Admit defeat on this one. You really are clutching at straws now
He did nothing of the sort! It was for the local party to decide (in true democratic form) who to select to represent the electorate in that constituency (who, incidentally had already been selected), not for the party leader. He has already said that he will stand in the forthcoming (next year) General Election and the constituency he will stand in. To have imposed his will - if indeed he was able to do so - would have been crass, ill-advised and just down right greedy showing no restraint or maturity.
However, it's the sort of thing you could expect from Len McClusky and his cronies as paymaster of the Labour Party. Heaven knows, 'red' Ed Bony M would be frightened shitless since making a decision might 'offend' someone if he didn't ask his permission first as to who to select.
You clearly don't like the man but that is no excuse to deride him and level false accusations about his character. I can't say that he is my favourite person either but he deserves a fair hearing and I am surprised that you see fit to do otherwise.
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GNV....I only quote the oxford English dictionary....any problems with its description you would have to take up with them.
Then you must review your use of inappropriate adjectives to describe a particular situation...
I don't have a problem with its description, only your use of it in the context of NF's decision not to stand for the by-election.
