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The word ,,,, correct me if I am wrong here...is....they are elected representatives !!! Now where I come from that means they represent those that elected them.....not rocket science. I would expect my representative to listen to the arguments put forward and vote in a way that he would think is best for me and the country. If I don't like the way he represented me , I can choose to vote for another next time.

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good to see you voicing your opinion and your opinion is respected even when I don't agree with it.

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Just as well your income doesn't run to luxuries!
But thankfully Sasha's does and she pays for her own parties I only organise them don't we all love to spend other people's money

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I would claim on my house insurance if I could have afforded some but my income doesn't run to luxuries :sad:

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Happy Birthday - now spare a thought for me, I am organising a birthday party for Sasha as I do every year, she starts reminding me about it on the 1st March every year, (29th February in Leap Years)
The reason she starts then is because that is the day after my own birthday party.
So far I have organised
2 venues (a restaurant and a swingers club) for the party
2 limousines
2 Hostesses from the local lap dancing club to hand out the champagne
Ordered a dance pole for home
Taken delivery of the laser lighting for the dance room
Ordered her various outfits, (cocktail dress, lingerie evening gown and 2 pair of shoes)
taken delivery the engraved gifts which are prizes for the guests (30 of them)
taken delivery of 37 items large and small to decorate the venue (including 100 balloons and helium)
had the invites printed and given many out with many more to go
Confirmed the first 42 guests (expecting that number to triple
Organised the champagne for the guests arrival
Booked a professional DJ
Ordered the evening gowns and shoes for the hostesses (4 pairs/dresses)
Put the adverts out on 5 swingers sites
Still to start
Prepare the garden for a sunny afternoon option of a drink in the sun
Decorate the dance room
have a nervous breakdown
Still I should have it all ready, after all the party isn't happening until the end of July

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You might not think so, reading this thread but my security is not bad and getting better.
We have outside cameras recording what is going on and it is this footage that meant we were able to give the Police the Vehicle used and registration number which meant that they were picked up less than an hour later heading back home on the M6.
We have erected 8ft high fencing all round the rear of our garden and there is security lighting everywhere which makes it like daylight when dark.
We have internal bolts and deadlocks and chain locks on all our doors.
Our neighbours are good and did give statements to the Police and turned up in court to give evidence which as it turned out was not needed, my neighbours are Polish and needed an interpreter at the court, they could have just kept quiet if they had wanted to.
We have 2 dogs whilst not being of the "deterrent" type do bark when anyone approaches the back garden.
We have lighting on time switches which turn on and off at various intervals in different rooms and we have burglar alarms fitted for when we are not home.
The problem is that on this occasion the criminals came through the front door when I opened it, they were tooled up and making a quick "smash and grab" raid feeling confident that they would be in and out before Police could arrive and they got that part right but did not bargain for the cameras the recording parts of which are concealed.

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They have no assets and would dispose of anything they do have to family on paper as soon as the was issued.
I would claim on my house insurance if I could have afforded some but my income doesn't run to luxuries :sad:

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No I mean I caught them ransacking and damaging my house, this was also witnessed by Sasha and a friend who stays with us and 2 Polish guys who live opposite who all completed witness statements and turned up at Court when required, forensic evidence confirmed the identities of the burglars and evidence was found in their vehicle when arrested on the motorway, they were also carrying the hammers and knives used in the assault. They were promptly arrested and as one was on tag and had broken the conditions of the tagging order by leaving his town of residence (Lytham St Annes) he was remanded in custody for 7 months until the trial the other 2 were put on bail.
Charges against the driver were later dropped as there was not enough evidence to prove he knew what was going on during the burglary the other 2 were charged with aggravated burglary and assault with a weapon.
They pleaded not guilty but on the day of the trial changed their pleas to guilty of assault and not guilty of aggravated burglary (max sentence for that is 14 yrs) as a plea bargain, the one who broke his tagging order was given 14 months imprisonment and released the next day because he had already served 7 months on remand, the other guy was given an 18month suspended sentence.
Because the were never tried or convicted of the burglar I cannot claim compensation for the damage caused during that offence.

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The sentence
1 got 14 months for assault, as he had been on remand for 7 months he was freed immediately.
Apart from the long list of convictions he already has for drug taking, drug dealing, assault and other such nice things it is just another thing for Judges to disregard in the future.
The charge of aggravated burglary was dropped (possible sentence 14yrs) and the charge of assault with a deadly weapon (they were carrying knives and a hammer) was reduced to one of assault in order to get them to change their plea from not guilty to guilty and save some taxpayers money.
The second one got 18months probation, he was not held in custody because unlike the other one he wasn't already on tag when the offence was committed and therefore did not break any of the rules of being tagged.
5 witnesses for the prosecution turned up in court including 2 polish neighbours and the girlfriend of one of the accused. Forensic evidence was good and the weapons described by the witnesses were found in the defendants car when they were stopped and arrested.
My claim for £1000+ in damages after they had rampaged in the house smashing TV's and such with the hammer was refused as they were never convicted of the burglary.
So I lose the criminals win and the Government think they have saved some money by not having to go to trial.
Truth is these guys will re-offend soon and more Police time Court Time, Probation Service time will be spent on dealing with them, probably more than would be spent by trying them and imprisoning them for offences committed years ago for which they should still be locked up and should have been locked up instead of attacking my family and my home.

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The sentence
1 got 14 months for assault, as he had been on remand for 7 months he was freed immediately.
Apart from the long list of convictions he already has for drug taking, drug dealing, assault and other such nice things it is just another thing for Judges to disregard in the future.
The charge of aggravated burglary was dropped (possible sentence 14yrs) and the charge of assault with a deadly weapon (they were carrying knives and a hammer) was reduced to one of assault in order to get them to change their plea from not guilty to guilty and save some taxpayers money.
The second one got 18months probation, he was not held in custody because unlike the other one he wasn't already on tag when the offence was committed and therefore did not break any of the rules of being tagged.
5 witnesses for the prosecution turned up in court including 2 polish neighbours and the girlfriend of one of the accused. Forensic evidence was good and the weapons described by the witnesses were found in the defendants car when they were stopped and arrested.
My claim for £1000+ in damages after they had rampaged in the house smashing TV's and such with the hammer was refused as they were never convicted of the burglary.
So I lose the criminals win and the Government think they have saved some money by not having to go to trial.
Truth is these guys will re-offend soon and more Police time Court Time, Probation Service time will be spent on dealing with them, probably more than would be spent by trying them and imprisoning them for offences committed years ago for which they should still be locked up and should have been locked up instead of attacking my family and my home.

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Have I missed something? I thought that six former NoW journalists are currently being trialled for conspiracy to hack mobile phones and that several MPs did go to prison over false expenses claims.

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... and if the press had kept their noses clean by not hacking Millie Dowler's mobile (and other such diabolical things) perhaps there would not have been a need for Leveson or ultimately Maria Millar to steer legislation through Parliament to control their actions

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Thought we'd lost that broken record
:bs::bs:

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And people say I took crap :sad:

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....the iranians are building nuclear weapons to bomb the democratic good free nation of Israel? dirty rotten terrorists (in this period muslims)are hidding under your bed...fear fear, you gotta be afraid...all muslims are potential bin liners....now its the russians that are the baddies. wake up and join up the dots...................ivan is the new baddie

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Happy to listen to other peoples better ideas to combat terrorism
Anyone can knock and idea, intelligence is to come up with a better solution
Locking up anyone who doesn't fit could be preferable to killing anyone who doesn't fit

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I fully agree with you, it is a terrible thing to do, but what do you think we should do ?
How do we fight terrorism ?
What do we do about the facilities that exist to transform innocent men and women into terrorists willing to maim and kill other innocents and to die doing it, a number of the recent terrorists have as we all know been converted to Islam, nothing wrong with that but at the same time they have been converted to terrorists.
I don't think we need to return to killing witches since I am not aware of any witches killing thousands of innocent people at the moment.

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I believe that in most cases the family are totally innocent, in some cases they are innocent and have no knowledge of what their family member is planning, some do not know but suspect it or do little to prevent what might happen, in some cases they condone their actions afterwards albeit in a somewhat veiled manner, some condemn what they have done, but to protect the innocents some innocents are going to have to suffer, that is the nature of terrorism.
All family members.
I know how abhorrent such action is to some, I despise internment myself but I feel that the acts of terrorism are worse, we interned people who might be a threat during WWII and in the H Blocks of NI in the 70s. It is impossible to say if this had any effect but no action certainly has an effect.
And before anyone asks "what other crimes should this be extended to, jail a drug dealers family etc, of course not, my proposal is extreme to deal with an extreme situation, hundreds of terrorist attacks have been foiled, some have taken place, we live with the effects of terrorism every day of our lives and I believe that the situation will only get worse.

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When a person has been convicted of a crime of terrorism or died committing an act of terrorism their family is charged with being related to that person and sentenced to interment, of course they can apply to leave the United Kingdom to live somewhere that they feel they would be happier and of course if they can find somewhere willing to accept them, of course being being UK citizens or residing here under EU rules no EU country can refuse them entry.

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When a person has been convicted of a crime of terrorism or died committing an act of terrorism their family is charged with being related to that person and sentenced to interment, of course they can apply to leave the United Kingdom to live somewhere that they feel they would be happier and of course if they can find somewhere willing to accept them, of course being being UK citizens or residing here under EU rules no EU country can refuse them entry.

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It is simple, we pass a law that says it is illegal to be related to a terrorist.....

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The situation in the Ukraine could be one for the future of many Nations including the United Kingdom.
The Ukraine is a Nation where many of the citizens have an allegiance to Russia, many see themselves as Russians living in the Ukraine and some see themselves as Russians living in a part of Russia called the Ukraine.
Whilst I have always supported and continue to support immigration and believe it is necessary for the prosperity of the United Kingdom we have a similar situation but even more diversified.
We have citizens in the UK who see themselves primarily of another Nationality living in the UK, Indians, Pakistanis, Romanians, Afghans, Iraqis and so on. Whilst many of them were born in the UK they still have a strong allegiance to the Nation of their hereditary.
The Ukraine is facing a civil war, in the United Kingdom we have another factor, religion here has a greater impact on the loyalty of the citizens here.
I believe we could benefit from ALL citizens of the UK swearing an allegiance to the UK as part of our acceptance to residing here as citizens and the entitlement to a United Kingdom/EU Passport. Why should we issue a Passport to someone who is unwilling to swear their allegiance to the Nation that they expect to protect them at home and when travelling abroad, the Nation who will house them and support them and provide medical facilities should they need them.
As a former soldier I have sworn my allegiance to Crown and Country, I would be happy to do so again as a civilian.
Thoughts .................

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And now, the end is near, and we must face the final curtain, and through it all, I can say, they did it Moyes way.
So short of 2 miracles no Manchester United in Europe next season, and even Arsenal could be relegated to the lower European League.
Got the top premiership places right, Liverpool did surprise me and though contenders my money is still on City for the top spot then Chelsea then Liverpool.
United managed to stop the rot too late, their away record saving them from further embarrassment with the best record this season, strange how they can do so well away from home and fail at Old Trafford.
Arsenal, well I said I thought Wenga had reached his peak a long time ago and some embarrassing defeats have shown that to be true.
I think it will go to the final game but look what City did to United in the final game 2 seasons ago, down and out with minutes to go and they fought like tigers to take the title in the last gasps of the game.
If I were a Chelsea fan I would not like the way my manager kept saying we had no chance of winning the taking the league title off City, modesty is one thing, but defeatism is never a good tactic.
All in all it has been a good season for the Premiership with no major screamers like the Suarez incident but again so many foreign players that the English team will continue to suffer from a lack of players gaining experience playing together or in top flight games.

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And now, the end is near, and we must face the final curtain, and through it all, I can say, they did it Moyes way.
So short of 2 miracles no Manchester United in Europe next season, and even Arsenal could be relegated to the lower European League.
Got the top premiership places right, Liverpool did surprise me and though contenders my money is still on City for the top spot then Chelsea then Liverpool.
United managed to stop the rot too late, their away record saving them from further embarrassment with the best record this season, strange how they can do so well away from home and fail at Old Trafford.
Arsenal, well I said I thought Wenga had reached his peak a long time ago and some embarrassing defeats have shown that to be true.
I think it will go to the final game but look what City did to United in the final game 2 seasons ago, down and out with minutes to go and they fought like tigers to take the title in the last gasps of the game.
If I were a Chelsea fan I would not like the way my manager kept saying we had no chance of winning the taking the league title off City, modesty is one thing, but defeatism is never a good tactic.
All in all it has been a good season for the Premiership with no major screamers like the Suarez incident but again so many foreign players that the English team will continue to suffer from a lack of players gaining experience playing together or in top flight games.

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So I finally got the job done a few weeks ago, I found a builder who agreed to do the job for the price I had been quoted by other builders ie £260
On the due date 2 guys arrived at 9am as agreed and worked like Trojans to get the job done and dusted by 6pm. Well perhaps not dusted, removal of a double brick wall does bring about a lot of dust.
Workrate .... excellent
Plastering .. excellent
Lintel/RSJ .. excellent
Overall satisfaction .. excellent
So did I finally find a local builder using all the standard methods of newspapers, recommended tradesman sites, the internet in general
Nah, I found him of elsewhere and he lives in Chesterfield 2 hours from Stoke on Trent.

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NAO say on the sale