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1 month ago
Straight Male, 53
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Quote by jaymar
the point is ... that steve has a habit of playing the bully, but others( me included) can see right through it.
Like a few on here, he has a different view. Some I agree with and some I don't. The forum would be boring without these differing views. Steve, in my opinion, has a thought and puts it in type and will then ask questions about others answers. This applies to Frecklebird, Phuckers, Wunderhorse, and quite a few I could mention. I like the way they do not stick to the norm. They all make me think and look at a topic in a totally different way. Is that bullying? Not in my book, just clarifying answers.
he hides behind his friends and the AUP and basically loves a good row.
I suspect his friends on here would be the first to point out to Steve if he stepped over the mark. And I suspect he would be the first to acknowledge it............well at least Shireen would give him a bash around the head first. Hiding behind the AUP? You can not hide behind it.........you either abide by it and stay or do not abide by it and get a boot.
he hangs on to a time when he was important... but the truth is, he is no-longer important,
Well below the belt and should not be in an adult discussion. It is more suited to the playground
and less attractib=ve to the opposite sex. accordingly he takes it out on his (more virile) competition.
Even more below the belt. Your head should hang in shame for that
if im gonna get banned for speaking my mind.. then so be it.
I hope you don't get a ban, but you should think before insulting people
Just for the record, me and Steve have crossed swords in previous threads. And at one point it became quite heated, but that was with the discussion and not insults. I hope everyone can play happily now and stop building barriers of them and us. There is no them and us, there is only me against the rest of you :twisted: .
As for the advert? I wouldn't have noticed it if it hadn't been pointed out to me. To me it is just another scene in everyday life. I wouldn't bat an eyelid.
Dave_Notts
Dave, you've done my thumping head a real favour as I've been trying to get round to saying just that all day. :thumbup: couldn't agree more.
I'm really sick of the shite in here now. Threads are becoming direct hits at people.
surely there is enough threads on this forum,some are lighthearted some are not..like have been told several times before you dont have to read or respond to threads you dont like.... :shock:
Quote by Peanut
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?
Err, couple of questions first.
You do realise that we don't have any ratings or classifications on TV in the UK?
Why are you bringing hard core into this? The topic at hand is the mayo ad where two guys share a chaste kiss. Or are you equating that to hard core pornography?
We don't impose everything on them at once? So it doesn't occur to you that hiding them away from such things as this kiss is imposing your views on them. Remember, they don't know that there is a problem with two men kissing, and when they do find out about it they will also realise that daddy thinks there's something wrong in it, so therefore there is something wrong in it. And so the chain continues.
You really don't see this from a child's perspective do you?
And to your question about my child. No I don't have a problem with it, because unlikeyou I don't have a problem with same sex relationships, and as a result my kids don't share the problem you have with it.
Same sex relationships have always been with us, they are always going to be with us. You choose to hide that little fact away from your kids, I don't.
definately a twister
what in any of my statements imply that i have a problem with same sex relationship...glad another member has answered your other manipulating questions
The very fact that you don't think it should be seen. Or are you going to deny that you wouldn't be having this discussion if it was a man and a women kissing?
Oh, and the fact you asked this:
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
ill be going round the same circle with you,next you will start questioning my fullstops,commas and the like
that last qoute was meant for you to answer not throw it back at me...take your time to reply am off to see about a afternoon!
Quote by Peanut
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?
Err, couple of questions first.
You do realise that we don't have any ratings or classifications on TV in the UK?
Why are you bringing hard core into this? The topic at hand is the mayo ad where two guys share a chaste kiss. Or are you equating that to hard core pornography?
We don't impose everything on them at once? So it doesn't occur to you that hiding them away from such things as this kiss is imposing your views on them. Remember, they don't know that there is a problem with two men kissing, and when they do find out about it they will also realise that daddy thinks there's something wrong in it, so therefore there is something wrong in it. And so the chain continues.
You really don't see this from a child's perspective do you?
And to your question about my child. No I don't have a problem with it, because unlikeyou I don't have a problem with same sex relationships, and as a result my kids don't share the problem you have with it.
Same sex relationships have always been with us, they are always going to be with us. You choose to hide that little fact away from your kids, I don't.
definately a twister
what in any of my statements imply that i have a problem with same sex relationship...glad another member has answered your other manipulating questions
Quote by Peanut
Seems to me to be more a macho and ego sort of thing. It's hardly surprising though given the upbringing us over a certain age have had and the conditioning we've received.
From the psychologist's point of view it's also a knee jerk reaction to the unconscious understanding that we all have innate latent homosexuality, but we've been brought up to be straight and be men's men (if you pardon the pun). There's also the conditioning that we've had not just to ignore it, but to positively deny it by knee jerk reactions like the one you had.
And to those who deny latent homosexuality, I ask to consider they last time they got just as hard watching a big cock fuck a pussy as watching that pussy on its own being wanked.
you got some ideas mate,i put myself as if am the big cock fucking that pussy,but if it just a pussy own its own i just imagine what i would do to those wet lips...women or other sexually may view it from other angle
Quote by DeeCee
there is time for everything,
If you dont mind my picking up on your point....
i would say "time AND PLACE".
we need to take some responsibility to show kids that there is a time and a place for everything and educate them ourselves giving them clear messages, not mixed messages.
the more and more i think of the advert... i see it as just a cheap a massively powerful one.
excatly you've just help put more weight to that..
Quote by Mr-Powers
That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.
And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.
Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude.
Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:
Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.
I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.
That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?
You did see the question mark on the end didn't you? To all intents and purposes the opinion you were passing seemed to me to be homophobic. I was asking you if that was the case. You've now answered that.
What I don't understand though, because you haven't explained why, is why a chaste kiss between two men shouldn't be on before the watershed when it's patently obvious that a similar kiss between a man and a woman would be at home in a kids program about Mum and Dad much less in an advert.
What I don't understand is the dichotomy of not having a problem with gay guys but quite obviously you having a problem if they demonstrate minimal gestures of affection.
I understand that by referring to the watershed you mean that it's more accurate to state that you have a problem with kids seeing this horrendous display of affection.
Any chance of enlightening me as to how this could harm our kids? Just your opinion of course.
Every parents has a duty and responsibility to look after their children its also their right to monitor what the children are watching, doing on computers or when they are in school we expect the teachers carry on the duty of if some company come up with advert that parents feel is not appropriate for theirs kids to watch, they have every right to voice their protest.
kentswingers777 has clearly stated that he doesnt have a problem with gay people kissing on TV but he would prefer if his children dont watch it.....
How could that harm our kids
I couldn't have said it better myself...no seriously i couldn't.
i found the advert amusing and understood what the advertisers were getting at,but not appropriate for daytime telly.
i think i misquote the wrong item,
mr powers did you just say that! :thumbup:
Quote by Peanut
Every parents has a duty and responsibility to look after their children its also their right to monitor what the children are watching, doing on computers or when they are in school we expect the teachers carry on the duty of if some company come up with advert that parents feel is not appropriate for theirs kids to watch, they have every right to voice their protest.
kentswingers777 has clearly stated that he doesnt have a problem with gay people kissing on TV but he would prefer if his children dont watch it.....
How could that harm our kids
That's a very easy question to answer.
It harms our kids by not educating them as to how life really is, so the next time they see it in the street they don't have a clue and you get asked the same question anyway. Also by wanting not to see this act of affection you would be promulgating the notion that it isn't okay to see two guys kissing and so the conditioning continues.
It's not as if the guys were attempting to garrott each other with piano wire in the bloodiest way possible. They had a chaste kiss, that's all so that's not particularly difficult for a kid to understand, so that leaves us with the fact that it was two guys. Now I don't know if you realised but kids don't naturally think two guys kissing is wrong, they only come to think that when they are taught it. They are taught it by attitudes like yours and like Kentswingers and every other individual who tells them so.
So I ask again, what harm does it do teaching kids that two guys kissing is okay? Something they they accepted until told otherwise.
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?
Quote by kentswingers777
That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.
And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.
Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude.
Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:
Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.
I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.
That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?
You did see the question mark on the end didn't you? To all intents and purposes the opinion you were passing seemed to me to be homophobic. I was asking you if that was the case. You've now answered that.
What I don't understand though, because you haven't explained why, is why a chaste kiss between two men shouldn't be on before the watershed when it's patently obvious that a similar kiss between a man and a woman would be at home in a kids program about Mum and Dad much less in an advert.
What I don't understand is the dichotomy of not having a problem with gay guys but quite obviously you having a problem if they demonstrate minimal gestures of affection.
I understand that by referring to the watershed you mean that it's more accurate to state that you have a problem with kids seeing this horrendous display of affection.
Any chance of enlightening me as to how this could harm our kids? Just your opinion of course.
See there you go again with your twisting!
It seems you either dont want to listen or dont quite understand what I am saying? Your word " horrendous " not mine!!
If you dont understand the difference between Mum and Dad having a kiss on an advert, to two gay guys having a kiss, then I am not going to waste my time anymore with this thread.
You have your opinion which you seem to be ramming down my throat, and adding words which I did not say, but making it almost say that is what I meant!
Let me repeat....I am not homophobioc. If that means I dont want to kiss a guy or to have a guy come onto me, then I suppose I am homophobic, but I suspect virtually every guy is then! Your obviously ,from the same school of people who think it is perfectly ok to teach kids about sex...same sex relationships, at infant school years? There is a question mark there.
I am getting sick and tired of people on this Forum attacking and twisting peoples words, just because it does not suit their own opinions.
Do yourself a favour and read my signature at the bottom of each post I do, that should clear things up. I am angry because I like you have an opinion, just dont belittle others because they dont fall in line with yours please.
:thumbup:
Quote by Lost
I watched my Mrs chatting talking and laughing, with a person she knew, as I sat and waited for her in the car. I found that as she was laughing and being totally natural her body language to the other woman from my viewpoint was really easy and comfortable I just found that erotic
dirty bugger you i bet you were thinking of a threesome
Quote by Peanut
That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.
And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.
Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude.
Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:
Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.
I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.
That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?
You did see the question mark on the end didn't you? To all intents and purposes the opinion you were passing seemed to me to be homophobic. I was asking you if that was the case. You've now answered that.
What I don't understand though, because you haven't explained why, is why a chaste kiss between two men shouldn't be on before the watershed when it's patently obvious that a similar kiss between a man and a woman would be at home in a kids program about Mum and Dad much less in an advert.
What I don't understand is the dichotomy of not having a problem with gay guys but quite obviously you having a problem if they demonstrate minimal gestures of affection.
I understand that by referring to the watershed you mean that it's more accurate to state that you have a problem with kids seeing this horrendous display of affection.
Any chance of enlightening me as to how this could harm our kids? Just your opinion of course.
Every parents has a duty and responsibility to look after their children its also their right to monitor what the children are watching, doing on computers or when they are in school we expect the teachers carry on the duty of if some company come up with advert that parents feel is not appropriate for theirs kids to watch, they have every right to voice their protest.
kentswingers777 has clearly stated that he doesnt have a problem with gay people kissing on TV but he would prefer if his children dont watch it.....
How could that harm our kids
A large percentange of men turn gay after they've had previous family life and raised children of there own,its every parents dream that their children will grow up to be involved in this family circle but if they turned up to be gay no big deal,we have to accept it and life goes go...
Quote by DeeCee
i think they messed up with the advert with the ending. Yes it might have caused a stir, and be memorable,but they wont be showing it... except perhaps on editions of It will be alright on the night or Tarrants TV'(and the like).
ok, the kiss didnt have any tongues BUT surely a bit of innuendo would have been better.
should it be shown.........????? in my view only after the watershed.
p.s sorry for my outburst on your thread Phuckers
thats cool Deecee,no need to apologise its a public forum
Quote by Stormwalker
Ok, so we have a humorous advert for (New York) style Deli mayonnaise, featuring a stereotypical New York Deli sandwich maker, talking in the thickest Brooklyn accent this side of an episode of Kojack and making fresh Deli style lunches. We have him playing Mum, showing that mums can make fresh deli style sandwiches every bit as good as the real thing, with the help of Heinnz and a dollop of mayonnaise. Implying that when mum uses Heines, it’s just like having your own sandwich chef in the kitchen and no one can tell the difference. All reinforced by the use of the word mum and the kiss.
Am I offended? Yes. The husband is clearly cheating on his wife with his gay American lover and has cunningly brainwashed his children into thinking this disgusting display of affection is both acceptable and to be encouraged.
Now, gimme a Tomato and Pastrami on Rye with extra mayo… to go.
Taxie!!!!
I bet the add men are loving this
ha ha fair point,but they might be adopted kids
Quote by Misskitty_2008
Please read and let me know what you think..
A while ago I was out shopping and had forgotten to put my pinky ring on. Most of the time when I'm out I cover it up, as I was born with extra fingers on both my hands, though the left one is tiny and I don't cover it.
The right one though, is a lot bigger. When I handed over my money, the assistant caught sight of it, and I saw her pull back and the look in her eyes was disgust.
It upset me - and I felt very uncomfortable. The people I know well see it when they come to visit and it doesn't bother them. I can understand when people see something which isn't the "norm" and it freaks them out, but this was a bit obvious.
What do you think? I am thinking of having it removed... but thinks why should I? I would love to hear your views on this.
Thank you xx
very often when you see something which is not of the norm you look twice or just pull back like the assistance did,and yes i totally agree with what venus is saying about being comfortable with yourself and the support you are getting from your friends and family but..
as you said it yourself you didnt feel comfortable when the assistant gave you a disgusting look but am afraid you will get some negative reactions from new people you encounter who are not used to anything different but at tender age of 41 i suppposed you must by now know how to handle the negative approach.
allow me to give you my example...
i moved to hereford over 10years its a small town with a very small % of ethnic,i used to have such a reaction when i entered some country pub because they were not used to seeing anyone different but as time get along i can say everyone has made me feel very comfortable but in my suituation i cant change my colour, i love being black but in your case you have options but its all how you feel about it...hope this is not offensive.
Quote by wild rose and the stag
have read the thread now...deecee
It aint in the aup to have to give an opinion is it? and to be fair, i reckon phuckers did. A bit less of this silliness would make the forum a lot more hospitable.
As for the resulting slanging match and name calling, well grow up, thats just the kind of shit that allows folk to get away with petty minded rubbish on here and frightens folk away..
staggy
two words for you "thank you"
Quote by wild rose and the stag
havent read all this thread or read about this in the news, i have seen and heard the word 'banned' banded about in the media though...ive no idea if it was banned but that would surprise me, the IBA would have to be very careful of their reasoning behind this, lets face it everything upsets someone and that in itself should never be enough per se to ban anything...now im guessing it hasnt been banned but heinz have withdrawn the advert stating they dont want to upset the folk that have seen it, JOB DONE its made youtube, its ran for only a week hardly a massive expense for the return, lots of radio coverage, i dare say some more on the tv, we dont watch so wouldnt know , Rose and I have mentioned heinz half a dozen times since i got in from work, thats pretty good for an advert we would never of seen but for a guy giving another guy a kiss and the withdrawing of it etc..
advertising execs must be patting each other on the back..i wish i could get that coverage for my business..
do i find it offensive? well i could, if heinz said that the advert had some comic value. id find that very offensive, have they said that? if the two guys kissing is all ive got to go on then who cares...i dont.. suppose someone would, ill be very surprised if some off here didnt find it offensive in our little sexually enlightened community...
ive got better things to worry about, the poor devil that got killed in afghanistan bothers me much more, eleven in eleven days, the job im working on at the moment and how ill afford to fill the tank with diesel... all out weigh any feelings i could have for an advert..
now has heinz got a real winner here...yes they have,, have they deliberatly exploited gay people and should gay people care...ive no idea..for now..
wrats
xxs
well its sad what happens in Afghanistan.
but the stonewall yesterday advocated for the gay community to boycott heinz products for pulling out the ad,they didnt find it offensive but a positive move in the diverse society we live at present
Quote by Peanut
just looked at the video and I find it more wierd that the kids are calling a bloke "mam"
as for the kiss ....it was only a peck not like a full on snog which i think even if it was a male/female couple it wouldnt be appropriate for an advert
so glad you mentioned that how do you explain that to a child let alone the peck
"It's a TV program, it's not real. Those TV people are crazy dudes"?
would you rather not just tell them the truth
Quote by TabbynTina
just looked at the video and I find it more wierd that the kids are calling a bloke "mam"
as for the kiss ....it was only a peck not like a full on snog which i think even if it was a male/female couple it wouldnt be appropriate for an advert
so glad you mentioned that how do you explain that to a child let alone the peck
