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Robert400andKay
Over 90 days ago
Straight Male, 63
Bisexual Female, 52
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Quote by flower411
I certainly wouldn't want to be paying 31% income tax.

I think they are proposing to get rid of national insurance contributions and VAT ...
My "limited" understanding of taxataion has always led me to believe that I am taxed directly at approximately 30% and the UKIP idea is to get rid of the complcated ways of collecting this 30% ... seems a pretty logical idea when taken at face value.
Even if they just got rid of National Insurance 31% income tax would be a damn good deal. Aside from the employees contributions which are certainly over 10% pretty well every employer could afford to give every employee a 10% pay rise as well.
Hi wave
Whilst it sort of makes sense, I think the article goes on to say that to get an effect we would need about 60 million. Funny enough we have hardly any snow left as well.

At least according to the Environment Agency building snow men will help the country cope with the predicted biblical weather next week. What with this being a swingers site people will be making them with added bits which can only help even more.
Kay says ... one for sorrow, two for ..... and Seven for a Secret Never to be told :P
Mind she didn't tell me but given the lift, separate and perkiness I did think Jordan maybe lol.
Quote by Ben_Minx
Thyme is one of those herbs that I find a bit too dose sensitive.
If I use just a little too much minx complains of a "burnt" taste.

Now I think back that is the taste ... at the time it was just wrong ... but Minx has probably nailed it with a burnt taste smile
and it seems that these mutants sprouts are all growing in the West Country ... Thank the lord I'm not down that way when the after effects kick in :twisted:
Sorry about the Xenophobic comments about the French. Ah another 'End of the World' comes and goes ... not sure how many it is now smile.
NASA had a web site up suggesting that the two theories for this one either, Nibiru (a planet nobody has seen) crashing into the earth, or the Sun going out, were probably wrong. But you knows you just have to have faith ....

I have long suspected this one. In particular 'Chef de Capri (and that is an Essex Capri, not some fancy foreign place)'. Twice we have been caught, Essexboy quotes -
You can't put too much Olive Oil in anything
You can't put too much Thyme in this recipe
.... I have news for you Jamie. If you put too much Olive Oil in food it is greasy and has to be scooped out. But by far your worst crime against cooking .... if you put too much Thyme in (I warned her, but Kay fell for your silver tongued words) the soup is so fragrant with Thyme even the dogs won't eat it.
Just noticed this one thank you god.... technology has triumphed again. It is now possible to accessorize you Iphone to the rest of your outfit.

Just think..... The days of getting togged up to the nines, travelling in your chauffeur driven Kia C'eed, and arriving at the restaurant all in fashionable bliss. Then horror of horror's your entirely unfashionable Iphone rings ...... Mortification right in the middle of your Big Mac..... Now but a distant memory smile
So after all the hype the world didn't as predicted end at 11:11 AM yesterday. I took all the usual precautions, the most obvious being racking up my credit card to the limit and now it's going to have to be paid off in January.....
Still mustn't grumble at least I'm not French, and I didn't end up looking like this lot.

Fingers crossed and credit card ready for 2017 smile
Ah as the Christmas frenzy starts in earnest I think of charging round the supermarket buying metric tonnes of flour, sugar, butter, sprouts (see post in CA forum on the dangers) and so on ...... then I look at Kay's bum and it all seems very worth while smile.
It really should be covered in something just not quite sure what, sprouts (nope) .... butter (promising) ..... baby oil ..... :)
Eat at your peril .....

It seems that eating too many of these little 'bad boys' could potentially be bad for you health.... aside from the effects on other people at your Xmas table, partners, anybody else you may sleep with, their not called 'Fartberries' for nothing smile.
Quote by GnV
Don't forget, these were 'accusations' and not proven.
The Americans would say/do anything to force an extradition.

Accusations that were reviewed extensively over 10 years by the High Court who concluded that there was a case to answer. Not an organisation known for being swayed by either political pressure or the machinations of the US justice system. For example this being the same High Court who have refused to extradite various terrorists and so on.
BUT NO CONVICTION!
You could ask the Queen of Sheeba to review it for all it matters.
They are ALLEGATIONS, UNPROVEN FFS rolleyes
It being a bit difficult to get a conviction or not as the case might be because of the accused's eventually successful attempts at dodging the trial.
But, he has not absconded in order to escape justice. This has been done within the rule of law and you should not condemn him when, within the law, he has not been convicted of anything.
The legal maxim 'innocent until proven guilty' works very well here.
Within the law is so far as Gary, his team and the media have swayed the opinion of the Home Secretary. As previously mentioned a trial and acquittal by the media. Is this really the way the law should work?
Quote by GnV

There are many many 'small' small businesses who employ small numbers of staff but who don't have the legal structure of a limited company.
And yet the small business could operate as a limited company so isn't this the choice of the 'Small Business'?
Where the business doesn't have 'shareholders' as such, why is it necessary to have the structure of a Limited Liability company?
Because the tax rates might be lower ?

As 'sole traders' or in 'partnerships' these small businesses are often taxed out of existence by paying Class 4 NIC'S on their profits but get no social benefits back by doing so. No sick pay, nothing. They still pay their normal NIC contributions though.
On this I'm not sure, but I did think that your could claim either SSP, or SMP accordingly. At a rate of either 9% or 2% the payments seem to be quite a lot lower than the Class 1 NIC's (totaling both employee and employer contributions).

No
I guess that is why the amounts are lower than Class 1 contributions?

They also provide local employment contributing to both the local and national economy in the business taxes they pay and employers NIC.
The business taxes being on the profits which aren't either paid as salary, or invested in the business.
Again, no. Business taxes - the so called NDR are collected locally and passed to the Exchequer and then a proportion paid back in relief to the Local Authority. They have no basis on the amount of profit made.
I used the term Business taxes for Corporation Tax, I haven't heard of NDR is that the rates?
Oh, and don't forget the accounting for VAT and employee PAYE/NIC's as an unpaid tax collector with heavy and punitive penalties for getting it wrong.
After that, there is 'go getting' new business....
Foregoing holidays for years on end....
And sometimes, you might even get to sleep at night.
That it essentially the difference between a bloody hard working employee and a small business owner (who generally are also bloody hard working!)
These last points being the main differences between being an owner of a small business, and an employee. If you choose to work as a hard working (*1) small business owner rather than as a hard working employee why whinge about it afterwards? Life is about personal responsibility if this was the wrong choice for you why would you expect sympathy?
(*1) The phrase above 'a bloody hard working person or small business' should probably have had a comma i.e. 'a bloody hard working, person or small business'. I had not intended to imply that a small business (or indeed the owner) wasn't also hard working.
The bottom line being nobody really likes either doing accounts or paying tax.

As a business owner, you don't have a choice but to 'do the accounts' and who said anything about whinging?
Forgoing holidays, not sleeping .... looks like whinging to me?

Oh yes, almost forgot. And if you do survive all that and retire to live out your days calmly in rural France, you get all sorts of shit from all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons who think you have only got here because you have exploited your fellow man and that you should taken out in front of your family and shot rolleyes
Did you exploit your fellow man your denials suggest to me that you feel that you may have?
Oh, please....
That was a chain jerk ... sorry .... nice response smile

And not to forget those who think that the meagre benefits you actually are entitled to should be withdrawn because you no longer live in the UK.
No questions on that one
By which you mean.....
My attitude is that those people who pay in should at least get something out in the end, having also contributed to the vast numbers as don't, even if they happen to have gone all Francophile
I hope that helps your understanding Robert.
To some extent
Quote by GnV
Don't forget, these were 'accusations' and not proven.
The Americans would say/do anything to force an extradition.

Accusations that were reviewed extensively over 10 years by the High Court who concluded that there was a case to answer. Not an organisation known for being swayed by either political pressure or the machinations of the US justice system. For example this being the same High Court who have refused to extradite various terrorists and so on.
BUT NO CONVICTION!
You could ask the Queen of Sheeba to review it for all it matters.
They are ALLEGATIONS, UNPROVEN FFS rolleyes
It being a bit difficult to get a conviction or not as the case might be because of the accused's eventually successful attempts at dodging the trial.
Quote by GnV
Don't forget, these were 'accusations' and not proven.
The Americans would say/do anything to force an extradition.

Accusations that were reviewed extensively over 10 years by the High Court who concluded that there was a case to answer. Not an organisation known for being swayed by either political pressure or the machinations of the US justice system. For example this being the same High Court who have refused to extradite various terrorists and so on.
Quote by GnV
There are many many 'small' small businesses who employ small numbers of staff but who don't have the legal structure of a limited company.
And yet the small business could operate as a limited company so isn't this the choice of the 'Small Business'?
As 'sole traders' or in 'partnerships' these small businesses are often taxed out of existence by paying Class 4 NIC'S on their profits but get no social benefits back by doing so. No sick pay, nothing. They still pay their normal NIC contributions though.
On this I'm not sure, but I did think that your could claim either SSP, or SMP accordingly. At a rate of either 9% or 2% the payments seem to be quite a lot lower than the Class 1 NIC's (totaling both employee and employer contributions).

They also provide local employment contributing to both the local and national economy in the business taxes they pay and employers NIC.
The business taxes being on the profits which aren't either paid as salary, or invested in the business.
Oh, and don't forget the accounting for VAT and employee PAYE/NIC's as an unpaid tax collector with heavy and punitive penalties for getting it wrong.
After that, there is 'go getting' new business....
Foregoing holidays for years on end....
And sometimes, you might even get to sleep at night.
That it essentially the difference between a bloody hard working employee and a small business owner (who generally are also bloody hard working!)
These last points being the main differences between being an owner of a small business, and an employee. If you choose to work as a hard working (*1) small business owner rather than as a hard working employee why whinge about it afterwards? Life is about personal responsibility if this was the wrong choice for you why would you expect sympathy?
(*1) The phrase above 'a bloody hard working person or small business' should probably have had a comma i.e. 'a bloody hard working, person or small business'. I had not intended to imply that a small business (or indeed the owner) wasn't also hard working.
The bottom line being nobody really likes either doing accounts or paying tax.

Oh yes, almost forgot. And if you do survive all that and retire to live out your days calmly in rural France, you get all sorts of shit from all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons who think you have only got here because you have exploited your fellow man and that you should taken out in front of your family and shot rolleyes
Did you exploit your fellow man your denials suggest to me that you feel that you may have?
And not to forget those who think that the meagre benefits you actually are entitled to should be withdrawn because you no longer live in the UK.
No questions on that one
I hope that helps your understanding Robert.
To some extent

4. Once the computers were accessible by Mr McKinnon, he deleted data including:
(1) Critical operating system files from nine computers, the deletion of which shut down the entire US Army's Military District of Washington network of over 2000 computers for 24 hours, significantly disrupting Governmental functions
(2) 2,455 user accounts on a US Army computer that controlled access to an Army computer network, causing those computers to reboot and become inoperable
(3) Critical Operating system files and logs from computers at US Naval Weapons Station Earle, one of which was used for monitoring the identity, location, physical condition, staffing and battle readiness of Navy ships. Deletion of these files rendered the Base's entire network of over 300 computers inoperable at a critical time immediately following 11 September 2001 and thereafter left the network vulnerable to other intruders .

This is a paragraph from the extradition documents. A summary of the accusation is that Gary systematically gained access to and attacked US defense establishments.
Some how the media reports of his activities suggest he did no did no damage, was only looking for UFO's and would only really be prosecuted under the Computer misuse act.
Further down the same document -
34. ..... At the same time he has tended to overlook the fact that, if prosecuted and convicted, the equivalent domestic offences include the offence under section 12 of the Aviation and Maritime Security Act 1990 for which the maximum sentence is life imprisonment.

Given the severity of the accusations if he is enough of a 'Fruit Loop' to get out of jail he should at least be detained in a mental institution not employed by either of MI5 or 6.
I don't think that it is good justice when the outcome of this case is determined thru' the media by PR professionals ......
I did think the 'Tax free' first 10,000 of income was pretty much what the Government are trying to do. Not so sure about not taxing business, what is the difference between a bloody hard working person or small business. If is is 'fair' to tax the first why not the second?
I really think the media want to have a long hard think about the Ethics of what they are doing. Albeit this story is an extreme example.
Generally when people phone a hospital they are calling about the health of a relative. I would hope that if any of my relatives were in Hospital I could call, identify myself as husband, father, son etc, and get to speak to somebody accordingly. The hospital should be able to believe 'my word' over the phone.
If journalists, DJs etc regularly start to use this as a route for getting information about the more newsworthy patients in a hospital, how is this going to work? To my mind these sort of phone calls should just be considered totally unacceptable behavior.
What ever the mental health issues of the nurse involved this has all gone way to far as joke. My sympathies go entirely to the family of the Jacintha Saldanha. It's not too often that I think this but the two 'DJs' can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
I remember losing a lot of money in a arcade, probably getting on for 20 or 30 pennies, a while ago. My mothers quote at the time stuck with me 'the only way to make a small fortune gambling is to lose a large one'.
Had you thought of taking about £450 out of the account then let your daughter carry on and hopefully she will lose the other £50?
I think that if you can connect the phone to computer using either a wire, or something like Bluetooth you can probably transfer the texts somehow. All of the phones I have had that can be connected could also behave a bit like a memory stick and appear as another drive on the computer. Rooting around on the drive I have found the texts.
If you can't I guess the other possibilities would be to forward the texts either to somebodies phone which can be connected to the computer, or maybe even (*).
(*) is like a phone on the computer, and if you pay money can be set up with a number to either make calls, or text messages.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Of course it is, so why do you then say the religious beliefs, cultural needs, sexual orientation and views of the children are of no importance ? how can you be supportive when you are actively against what the child is, a homophobic fostering a gay child is not right, a Muslim Arab fostering a Jew, a Jew fostering a Muslim Arab how can this be a loving and supportive environment, would it be safe ?

I don't think that it is true that supporters of UKIP are actively against these children. If you read the UKIP web site, UKIP appear to be opposed to Europe, and multiculturalism. Further to this they wish to impose immigration quotas as in initially suspend immigration for 5 years there in after look at controls on presumably economic migrants.
I would back this thinking up by the outrage expressed by the leader of UKIP, David Cameron's retraction of the racist accusations slung at UKIP, and the education secretary Michael Gove's condemnation of RMBC's actions.
Looking at UKIP's policy -
Opposition to Europe seems to be primarily based on the costs and the loss of sovereignty to the European parliament. They seem rather less opposed to the Europeans themselves than say some of your own comments about the French.
Opposition to Multiculturalism is very much to the excesses such as in fact RMBC. The details I found were -
Our traditional values have been undermined. Children are taught to be ashamed of our past. Multiculturalism has split our society. Political correctness is stifling free speech.
Immigration policy whilst UKIP do want to suspend and then impose quotas on immigration, they don't seem to be suggesting that anybody should be deported.
Given that the couple involved with this story:
- have been fostering for 7 years
- have doubtless had inspections regarding these children
- are reported as providing a loving and supportive environment
- seem to be very upset they have been removed
I can't see why the fact they are UKIP (a mainstream political party) supporters should matter a damn.
Nice outfit Mrs NWC.... just hoping that I can persuade Kay to wear the same, in spite of you both being in the same outfit lol.